The most powerful government in the world falsified their alleged greatest accomplishment. They did indeed fake the moon landing.

I want to treat Bart as a colleague, maybe not as an equal with our father.

Oh, my goodness.

If you would let me teach you some physics, then you could make your argument stronger.

Charlie Duke is an Apollo astronaut, the 10th and youngest man to walk on the surface of the moon. What do you feel about the conspiracy theorists who think the moon landings were all invented? They never happened, they're fake.

You're willfully ignorant if you don't believe that we landed on the moon.

What is the mindset of somebody who said, well, it didn't really happen? That's like the denial of humanity. These crazy individuals shouldn't have our attention.

Given this is the furthest that NASA have ever sent a rocket, presumably you think this must be fake, too. The Artemis II mission to the dark side of the moon will be the furthest human beings have ever traveled from Earth. It's a precursor to a full return to the lunar surface and perhaps even reaching Mars. But for this trip, historic though it is, there will be no landing, no walking, no flags planted, very much unlike the Apollo mission of 50 years ago. In a moment, we'll talk to the man who says he's on a CIA hit list because he blew the whistle on what he says are the original moon landings being fake. But first, let's talk to the Chancellor's distinguished Professor of Physics at UC San Diego and host of the into the Impossible podcast. Welcome to you, Professor Keating, how are you?

Good to see you again, Piers.

Well, good to see you. I'm obviously about to talk to Bart Sibrel. He's made himself pretty infamous by ending up being punched by Buzz Aldrin for questioning to his face that he'd walked on the moon. And being part of that, of course, that first immortal trip. Before we get to him, what is your view of people that just don't want to believe this has ever happened?

I think it's something we need to take very seriously, but not literally. In other words, there are reasons. You could say there could be reasons why NASA and maybe the US Government, maybe even the CIA, would want to put a whack on Bart. As I've heard him describe it. Perhaps there are some mistruths that our government tell from time to time, but in order to believe the moon landings in the 1960s and 70s were fake, you need to believe a whole host of things that not only require vast conspiracy numbers involving hundreds of thousands of people, you need to Suspend your scientific reasoning and your ability to search for truth. You know, Piers, we live in an age that's sometimes called post truth or post fact, where you're entitled to your own ideas and theories. But in reality, what worries me more is not that people get facts wrong. I mean, that happens all the time.

Happens to me all the time as a scientist. But it's that we undermine the process of truth seeking that no society can withstand. So I'm hoping to talk to Bart. He knows about me. I've invited him to chat on my podcast, and he's turned it down for reasons that I don't understand. So I'm eager to talk to him because I think it's instructive for the public to see not only the great triumphs, but why we know for certain that these things happen and why it speaks to not only American exceptionalism, but humanity's exceptionalism.

Well, you know what? We'll come back and discuss Artemis specifically in a bit. But given you've teed this up very nicely, and we have Bart Sibal waiting. Joining me now is Bart Cyril, who has been what many viewers, a conspiracy investigator about the moon landing, saying they're fake. He even confronted, as I said, Buzz Aldrin. Let's take a look at what happened then.

Yeah, you got to keep shooting, man. Okay, well, if you can put it on your shoulder. Don't be shy.

Just come with me first.

You really like attention, don't you? You're the one who said you walked moon when you didn't. Calling the kettle black if I ever thought of it. Saying I misrepresented myself.

Get away from me.

You're a coward and a liar and a thief.

Well, Bart Sibel joins me now. Welcome to Uncensored. I've actually met Buzz Aldrin. All I remember is he had one of the hardest handshakes I've ever encountered on any human being. Ever. So you were quite courageous there, Barster, Albeit as you were calling one of the great modern heroes a coward. Why are you so obsessed about branding the lunar landings fake?