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Today is episode 183 with the title Owls and the Fouls. And I have the absolute honour and privilege to welcome Stephen Jasper Stephenis a jet lag consultant and chrono diversity advocate who reshapes how we review time, productivity and work based inclusion. When I asked Stephen to describe his superpower, he said it is providing simple interventions that help people manage not only their jet lag, but their working lives and productivity. Hello, Stephen, welcome to the show.

Hello, Joanne. Thanks for the lovely welcome.

Absolute pleasure. I could tell by your accent you're not from around these parts.

I'm about as far away from those parts as you can get. Really? Yes, I am. I'll confess up front, I am an Australian and that's why it's pitch black here. It's just gone midnight when you're interviewing me and I'm a bit of a night owl. Come back to that. And it's a public holiday here, so that's what I'm doing on my public holiday at midnight.

So which public holiday is it?

It's a public holiday called Anzac Day and the closest equivalent I know, the Americans have Veterans Day. What's the UK equivalent?

Armistice. Yeah. Remembrance Sunday. Armistice. Yeah, that kind of thing. Or Victory in Europe. VE Day. Those sort of things.

Yeah, those sort of. It's. But it's a commemoration of a loss. So Anzac stands for Australia, New Zealand Army Corps. So of course it's celebrated in both Australia and New Zealand and it's a loss in a place called Gallipoli in Turkey. So 10 years ago they had their hundredth anniversary and it was a very big and emotional deal. So we will have a dawn service and halfway between me and the city, I'm about eight kilometres out of the city, we have the shine of remembrance and there'll be a. A dawn service there for the fallen and fallen, those who.

In war. And so there's going to be early morning trams, like 4 o' clock in the morning transport to get people to the shrine of remembrance or other places of commemoration.

So very. A very deep, meaningful. And I say sombre. Sombre.

Sombre is a good word for sombre.

Yeah, yeah. Reflection of the nation's loss. Yeah. And remembrance.

And also gratitude to those who fought for our nation.

Yeah, it's. I don't know if you have the same expression. In Australia we would say lest we forget.

It's a very much. Yeah, very much. That phrase here. And we have the torch that gets lit and. Okay, is that a thing that you do there? Is that an Australian thing? Like in a. An RSL or a legacy club with a member? They'll say lest we forget. And there's a torch that gets lit. It's an electric light inside a torch.

I don't know that particular tradition. We will probably have a lone bugler trumpeting out the last post.

Yes, we have that, but you. Okay, we had the torch as well.

So I'm not aware of the torch. So it's possible we would lay holly wreaths at the cenotaph or. Yeah, we would lay wreath to Hollywood. That's more of a First World War remembrance as well, right?

Yes. And also rosemary sprigs. Is that a thing for you?

I don't think we're big on rosemary sprigs in the. In the uk.

But it's for remembrance. It's not to, you know, garnish your lamb roast.

We have rosemary, but now we would use poppies. Poppy poppies are kind of our remembrance symbol.