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Stuttering Without Apology

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James Burden

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Joanne Lockwood

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James Burden, a speech-language pathologist, discusses redefining stuttering as a strength rather than a flaw. He explores overcoming stigma, the neurodivergent nature of stuttering, and empowering individuals to speak confidently while embracing their authentic selves without apology or shame.

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“Remember, everyone not only belongs, but thrives.”
— James Burden
“it took like 30 seconds to get into Mexico and it took about three hours to get back out again through border control.”
— James Burden
“Overcoming Challenges in Speech Pathology: "It's very competitive, but I managed to get in. And then during grad school at one of my practicums, I started, I went and did a practicum at Columbia Speech and Language Services in Vancouver and they were doing a 10 day intensive stuttering workshop. And this is the first time I had come across people who stuttered in a professional setting. And when I met everybody, they all came in, they had quite intense stutters and I, I very quickly got used to hearing that, so it wasn't quite so scary or different.”
— Joanne Lockwood
“One of the most interesting parts was almost like a therapist effect or a placebo effect that would be like when people came in and even when they had just started to begin to work with me, they started to relax right away.”
— Joanne Lockwood
“what we have is this stigma and is there an opposite of normalisation, denormalization, where you're in society and society treats you less fairly because of that speech impairment difference and you're hyper aware that you don't want to feel foolish, come across foolish.”
— James Burden

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James Burden

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Joanne Lockwood

Welcome to Inclusion Bites, your sanctuary for bold conversations that spark change. I'm Joanne Lockwood, your guide on this journey of exploration into the heart of inclusion, belonging and societal transformation. Ever wondered what it truly takes to create a world? Remember, everyone not only belongs, but thrives. You're not alone. Join me as we uncover the unseen, challenge the status quo and share stories that resonate deep within. Ready to dive in? Whether you're sipping your morning coffee or winding down after a long day, let's connect, reflect and inspire action together. Don't forget, you can be part of the conversation too. Reach out to jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk to share your insights or to join me on the show.

Joanne Lockwood

So adjust your earbuds and settle in. It's time to ignite the spark of inclusion with Inclusion Bites. And today is episode 179 with the title Stuttering Without Apology. And I have the absolute honour and privilege to welcome James Burden. James is a speech language pathologist and the founder of Stuttering Blueprint, empowering professionals who stutter to lead with confidence and connect without compromise. And when I asked James to describe his superpower, he said it is creating safe spaces where stuttering becomes strength, not silence. Hello, James, welcome to the show.

James Burden

Hi, Joanne, thank you so much for having me.

Joanne Lockwood

I understand from where we were chatting just now it's early o' clock for you because you're based Pacific time on the US continent, aren't you?

James Burden

Yes, that's right. So I'm from Vancouver BC originally and I still live there. That's my home base. But right now I am living in Mexico for the last couple months, on my way to Peru soon. So I love doing what I do and I also love doing it while travelling and seeing the world because it really brings some depth to my, my service and I like to go to places that have a lot of sort of spiritual, interesting things to do. So I. I got to go and do different ceremonies with different indigenous peoples all over the world, which is not something to do with my stuttering programme, but is very much to do with what I find valuable.

Joanne Lockwood

Wow, that sounds fascinating. I can't wait to get to that. One of my claim to fames is I've been to Mexico by mistake and you might wonder how one could go to Mexico by mistake. Well, it's quite easy when you're driving down the aisle in California and you're not paying attention and then suddenly there's a sign that says last US Exit and it disappears behind you. The next Sign you see is welcome to Mexico. It's like that wasn't the plan. So it took like 30 seconds to get into Mexico and it took about three hours to get back out again through border control. So that's my claim to fame Mexico by mistake.

Joanne Lockwood

Luckily we happened to have the passports in the car.

James Burden

So you were there for all three hours?

Joanne Lockwood

Yeah, you just end up queuing up out of Tijuana to try and come back in. It's like, yeah, I guess it was the spring breakers or the college students were all out in force trying to queue back because it was a whole roll of us plated cars trying to get back in. So, yeah, we were, yeah, we were kind of okay. But yeah, we're a bit worried for a bit because we were lucky to have our passports. Just happened to have them in the glove compartment, the car. So we were lucky. But yeah, could have been fun. Yeah.

Joanne Lockwood

So that's my claim to fame Mexico by mistake. James, we were chatting again in the green room before we went live. Around stuttering and your masterclass in your programme, what triggered you to focus on stuttering and speech in the way you have?

James Burden

Well, my focus on stuttering speech came just from an interest in speech and language, from learning Spanish years ago and finding it fascinating the similarities between Spanish and English, the words that are similar. So I got interested in linguistics. I already had a psychology degree and then the, the idea of speech pathology came up and I'm like, wow, that's a great combination of both. So I put all the effort into getting into grad school, which wasn't easy, still isn't easy to become a speech language pathologist. It's very competitive, but I managed to get in. And then during grad school at one of my practicums, I started, I went and did a practicum at Columbia Speech and Language Services in Vancouver and they were doing a 10 day intensive stuttering workshop. And this is the first time I had come across people who stuttered in a professional setting. And when I met everybody, they all came in, they had quite intense stutters and I, I very quickly got used to hearing that, so it wasn't quite so scary or different.

James Burden

I, I didn't feel as uncomfortable as I think a lot of people feel when they hear it. And then over those 10 days, these 10 people went from stuttering intensely to almost completely fluent. And some were completely fluent. It was, it was an incredible transformation and I was, I was impressed by this. I decided this, this is something I wanted to do in so much in speech Pathology is, you know, making little ripples and, and hoping those turn into big waves later. But this was a massive change in a short period of time and I, I found it very satisfying. However, there's a little bit more to this story when it comes to working just on fluency. But I'll, I'll circle back around to that in a minute because it's important for inclusion.

James Burden

But for this story, I see these people have this massive transformation. I changed my graduate paper, graduating paper topic so that I could follow this up. And I was very lucky in that one of my professors was a clinical professor and a speech language pathologist who specialised in stuttering. And so she took me under her wing after graduation. She started giving me clients for stuttering from her overflow. She mentored me. I picked up a couple other mentors along the way in those first few years. So I got to do in a one on one setting what I'd seen done in this intensive setting.

James Burden

I also discovered this programme called Camperdown, which is from Australia and it's using the same method, the prolonged speech method as well we used in the intensive programme. But now it could be done in a once a week setting and send clients home with practise. And then it also transferred very well when the time came to doing it via zoom. So very powerful method, making big changes. As I started to see those changes, I started to feel very comfortable, very good at this. I'm like good at helping people become fluent. I'm very comfortable around people who are stuttering. And one of the most interesting parts was almost like a therapist effect or a placebo effect that would be like when people came in and even when they had just started to begin to work with me, they started to relax right away.

James Burden

And I think that came from being in a place where stuttering is okay. Being in a place where stuttering is accepted, we're accepting it. At the same time, we're trying to make it easier to speak. Speak. And that's always been kind of. My attitude is let's make it easier to speak rather than let's fix you, let's make sure you don't stutter so that you'll be okay. Because I don't believe that stuttering makes someone not okay.

Joanne Lockwood

So removing the shame and the stigma and the awkwardness, taking away the pressure to be perfect.

James Burden

Exactly. And what is perfect anyway is a little bit of stuttering here and there. I mean, we all do it sometimes. The difference between someone who stutters every once in a while and someone who Stutters a little bit more is that if that stuttering starts to affect their mindset, like, oh my God, there's something wrong with me, I, I don't speak right. And they're getting messages from well meaning family, maybe even well meaning teachers or not so well meaning peers, you know, in school getting teased or bullied. They're getting the message over and over that stuttering is not an acceptable way to speak. And once that takes root, it can really blossom into a not so pleasant plant that just affects the way they interact with the world. And so we're trying not to, trying not to stutter.

James Burden

And in avoiding it, in avoiding the stutter we start, people start to avoid important speaking situations, making, not putting themselves out there. Maybe on a professional level, it might be job interviews or it might be even applying for certain types of jobs because if I can't speak, I can't do that job. I could never be a lawyer because they have to speak. I could never be a, a politician or whatever it is. And yet we know that's not true because in the US Joe Biden, who was the most powerful men in on the planet for a number of years, was a person who stuttered or is a person who stutters. So there's a lot of myths that get in the way. That is a big part of my masterclass that I will share the link with you later. How to break those myths.

James Burden

But also in the masterclasses, how to speak more fluently from a place of I'm already enough. I'm just trying to work on my speech, not I need to work on my speech in order to be enough. There's an important fine distinction there.

Joanne Lockwood

Is there a root cause? Is it childhood trauma? Is it just a developmental difference? Is there something that triggers your language development, if you like, or your speech development that can make you more susceptible to developing a stutter or stammer or speech impairment.

James Burden

That is the billion dollar question, because so much, and I say that literally, I don't know exactly how much money has gone into researching that exact question, what causes stuttering. But we still don't have a definitive answer. And when we don't have a definitive answer, it usually leads to the conclusion that it's just a normal part of being human. And that is what came out in 2023. There was a forum of some of the biggest names in stuttering treatment. Mark Onslow, Barry Guitar, Rosalie Shenker, others. Now these are people who literally wrote textbooks. Barry Guitar wrote my textbook in grad school for stuttering and in this forum it's a discussion over stuttering as a neurodivergence.

James Burden

It's not it. And it follows a neurodivergent pattern. It affects all different cultures at the same rate. It is a little bit more common in men than in women, but that could easily be a reporting issue because of the pressure on women to conform a little bit more in society or maybe a lot more. The masking abilities might be there. Now I can't necessarily prove that one, but what we see reported is a 4 to 1 ratio of men to women. Stutter more, men stutter more. That's people who are identified at birth as men or women or male or female.

James Burden

But, and, and, and so this neurodivergent neurodiverse angle is I think incredibly powerful because as a society we are learning to accept that we have people with different kinds of minds, ADHD minds, people with autism, people who are left handed, and also in this case stuttering.

Joanne Lockwood

That's very interesting. You say that happens across languages and I, I suppose that never, never occurred to me. I just always in my head imagined a stutter in English. But I guess, yeah, it happens in Chinese, it happens in Indian, Punjabi, whatever. It just, I guess the words manifest themselves differently because often in English it's certain letters that trigger, isn't it? Is it the same sounds that trigger or is it, what's the commonality between. Because often people get stuck on the T's or the S's or something or certain words. Are there certain words in different languages that also trigger.

James Burden

You know what, that's another great question because what it turns out to be, it's usually a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. The sound that an individual is going to stutter on. Now the way it usually works is something like this. Some big stutter happens on a certain letter that results in an embarrassed feeling. So the next time that letter comes up for that person in a high stakes situation, they're expecting to stutter. And lo and behold they do. Because they, their body gets more tense. They, they're expecting this to happen.

James Burden

They, they, they sort of tense up and then it does. And then that is proof that it's that letter that is the problem and it just compounds from there. And usually it's not always this way. But a very common letter for someone to stutter on is the first letter of their name. Because they have had an experience where they've tried to introduce themselves, they've stuttered and then some smart person has said, what did you forget your name? Because that's such a classic thing to say when someone stutters on their own name and people don't realise how harmful that can be and how hurtful. Even though it seems like an innocuous joke, it is not an innocuous joke if you're very sensitive and understandably so, considering how people treat stutterers about stuttering and not wanting to stutter where people can hear you.

Joanne Lockwood

So as a listener or the other part of a conversation and somebody is struggling, however we would describe that, what should I do to be a better listener and to help that person over the situation? Should I. Obviously I shouldn't be speaking for them. I shouldn't be interrupting them, I shouldn't be completing their sentence. How should I react?

James Burden

You're absolutely right with the not interrupting and not completing sentences. That's. If there. If there were gonna be rules, that would be rule number one. The best thing to do is simply wait and listen and just be patient and keep looking at the person. And I think more importantly is what we're doing here is advocating that stuttering is not a disorder, it's not a disease, it's not a neurological problem, it's not a tick. It's simply the way that this portion of the population, 1%, which is much, much bigger than most people would realise, how many people that stutter, that's simply the way that they talk and that it's okay. And if you understand that deep inside as the listener, makes it a lot easier not to have to, like, remember all the rules about how to talk to a person who stutters.

James Burden

You just know that it's okay and you don't have to worry about them and they're fine. They're just doing their thing. It's just going to take a couple extra seconds. Sometimes it's going to take even longer. But if you wait, the message will come out. And you don't have to say anything like, it's okay, I'm waiting. You don't have to, like, draw attention to it in any real way. You're just.

James Burden

You're just paying attention like you would to anyone who is taking a little bit longer to say something. Yeah.

Joanne Lockwood

As you're talking now, I'm just thinking, how would I react in the situation? And I'm thinking all these emotions and things are flying around my head going, oh, do I feel. So am I feeling sorry for that person? Maybe I am. Maybe I'm feeling a bit of empathy. Maybe I'm feeling a bit of compassion, benevolence. I want to say they're there. It's okay. Don't worry. I want to help them and reassure them, but I also, in my head is, don't draw attention to it.

Joanne Lockwood

Be patient. Don't look like I'm bothered. But it's trying to find that middle ground, isn't it? Just a blank stare and kind of a vacant smile, tilting your head to one side and going, I'm waiting on the inside. I'm waiting on the inside. Keep going. And I'm just trying to think of how I can learn myself to create the right listening face, the right listening mode to not add to the pressure.

James Burden

I think that when we know that there's nothing wrong, it's not a sign of anything. It's not a sign of lower intelligence, it's not a sign of a neurological problem, it's not a sign of a disease or anything, then it takes the pressure off us to, to look normal, look normal, everything's okay. Also, when I said don't draw attention to it, I think that's absolutely fair. When talking to adults, we. We don't need to tell them they're okay or, or. Or give them a pat or, or feel sorry for anyone. What we. But I.

James Burden

That. That doesn't necessarily mean. Let's say you've got a young child who stutters. I'm not saying don't talk about it because that just makes it into the elephant in the room. When we, when we don't talk to a child about their stutter at all, then we're sending the message, this is so bad that we can't even talk about it. I remember experiences when I was young. Nothing to do with stuttering, but, like, the things that we don't talk about are the worst possible things. We don't talk about Uncle John because, you know, in his drinking problem.

James Burden

Just don't talk about it. Never mention it, you know, like it. Those are the things in families that are a sign that it's really, really bad. So I don't suggest that parents don't talk to their children about stuttering if that starts to happen. There's also a lot of, like, typical developmental stuttering that may come and then go just on its own. And if it goes fine, if it stays also fine, there are other ways to deal with it. And I don't mean deal with it as in fix it. I just mean ways to interact with your child.

James Burden

I mean Palin pci. So Palin parent child interaction is actually based out of the UK where you're located. And it's From Michael Palin. And I love Michael Palin's story. You remember him from Monty Python.

Joanne Lockwood

Monty Python, yeah. Great fan of Michael Payne.

James Burden

So he did a movie called the Fish Called Wanda many years ago where he played a stutterer.

Joanne Lockwood

Yes, he did.

James Burden

And he was the comic relief. And after the movie aired, a stuttering organisation came to him and said, hey, you've actually done us a disservice. You know, you're putting up stutterers as people to be laughed at and mocked. And he was so struck by this that he founded the Palin Institute for Stuttering. He has done more for stuttering than any single other person I can think of off the top of my head. You know, he founded this institute, he's put money into research and more important, he's put money into therapy. And so I did one of my trainings. I did, I flew to Boston and people from the Palin Centre flew into Boston as well.

James Burden

And I spent a week learning about Palin Parent Child Interaction Therapy, which is very different from the Lidcombe method. So Palin pci, or Parent Child Interaction, teaches how you interact with your child on a. You get down to their level, you learn how to play with them by commenting instead of asking a bunch of questions. Now, it's interesting. I'm talking a lot now about how to help a young child. My current focus and the focus of my masterclass is on adults. It's like how especially professionals, entrepreneurs, people who are. Have a lot of skin in the game and need their speech to advance their careers or advance their business or whatever they're working on, go after their goals.

James Burden

So that's what I'm focusing on now. But I've worked with all ages. I've worked with adults, I've worked with teenagers, I've worked with school age kids and I've worked with preschool kids, pretty much everybody. So I'm giving you guys some information about what to do if you're a parent and you're worrying about your child starting to stutter. But, but most of what I'm. My, my masterclass is focused on the adult. So if you're a person who stutters as an adult, definitely check it out. It'll give you more about how society and how the stigma has made things harder for you on a level that I'm sure you understand if you're a person who stutters, but how it's actually affecting your speech and by going underneath the iceberg.

James Burden

So Joseph Sheehan, a longtime stuttering advocate, person who stutters and a therapist Talked about the stuttering iceberg. And so the top of the iceberg is the stutters that you hear and maybe avoidance behaviours that you see like I'm not going to talk in this situation, I'm, I'm going to avoid this word. I'm going to do everything I can to avoid speaking or avoid stuttering. But underneath the iceberg is the thoughts, the feelings, the self judgement, the myths about stuttering. All of the parts that affect your mind and your soul and create those surface behaviours. So if we are tensing up, we're more likely to stutter. If we are afraid that we're going to stutter, we're more likely to avoid. So the way to really help in the long run and not only help but provide lasting support is to melt that iceberg.

James Burden

So take that to warmer water. And by warmer water I mean an environment like a therapy room like with me, where you start to feel accepted for your stutter. And I also like to get people together who stutter so that they can see other people who stutter, see how completely normal it is. Completely, um, okay. And because people judge themselves insanely, hardly insanely hard, but then they see somebody else and they're not anywhere near as judgmental. So we can learn not to judge someone else. Then we can learn to turn that around on ourselves. And this is where it kind of gets into almost a, like a spiritual aspect.

James Burden

Like when, when. Because I used acceptance commitment therapy as part of my programme and that's about like turning that light of consciousness back on yourself and looking at yourself with kindness and a lack and non judgement. And that's what act is about. It's about deciding what your values are. What is more important to me, not stuttering or going for what I know I can do and deserve. And at first it's going to be not stuttering is more important. But then as we begin to not judge we can move that down and begin to see that maybe going for the job interview is more important, maybe building a business is more important. Maybe talking to the man or woman that you're interested in is more important than not stuttering and slowly working towards those goals.

James Burden

You're putting your values in a new order.

Joanne Lockwood

Yeah, I can certainly relate to the internalisation and manifesting your, manifesting all of the stereotypes, all of that self loathing all at once in your head and putting yourself in situations where you can't stop by being wholly consumed that cognitive load of worry that you're gonna, the first thing that's gonna come out of your mouth is gonna be a stutter. So I can certainly understand how that limits people's ability to interact in society. Because you say, as you said earlier, what we have is this stigma and is there an opposite of normalisation, denormalization, where you're in society and society treats you less fairly because of that speech impairment difference and you're hyper aware that you don't want to feel foolish, come across foolish. If you're in a job interview, think, well, you, you're almost walking into the room go, they won't like me if I started with this. Pressure's on you to get it right, isn't it?

James Burden

You know, when we dig down deep underneath the. I don't want to look foolish underneath, the pressure is. And people may not necessarily feel this consciously, but if you dig down deep, there's a sense of not being right, being broken in some way. And are you familiar with Brene Brown's work? It's. Yes. So she talks about shame, and shame is a big, heavy word. And when she talks to be like a shame researcher, who wants to talk about that? Nobody. Right.

James Burden

And so I'm going to go there when it comes to stuttering, because I believe at the deepest root of it all, there's a shame for being broken. And stuttering is something that has all of the things Brene Brown talks about that make shame thrive, which is silence, secrecy and judgement. So when you have those three things, shame thrives. So people are trying to keep silent, people are trying to keep their stutter secret and they're judging themselves and people are judging them or they are perceiving that people are judging them. Now, I'm sure there is absolutely, undoubtedly prejudice in the world, but I would say the. The harshest critics of people who stutter are the people who stutter themselves and not to other people who stutter to themself. Themself. They.

James Burden

They judge themself. And so then shame is thriving. And I've talked about shame as being like poop in the pool. So it doesn't matter how much poop is in the pool, no one's going swimming. It could be like the tiniest fleck. And I'm not saying stuttering is poop. I'm saying that the shame around it is like that it contaminates people's entire world with this idea that they're not good enough, that no one will want to swim in this pool because I'm broken. So I really need to.

James Burden

What I do is I try to help people with that piece while simultaneously working on the speech. But when we work on the speech, we have to work on it in a way that is not about fixing you. It's not about if you speak fluently, then you're okay. No, it's you're okay and I can help and by feeling okay, it will help you speak more fluently.

Joanne Lockwood

So what are they kind of the basic techniques to help you speak more fluently because you want to, not cause there's any shame or stigma, but because you want to. What the. What the kind of technique?

James Burden

So there are many. There are many different approaches. The one that I recommend using, it's a little bit more involved, but it has most lasting results and it has the most science behind it. And that's the prolonged speech family of methods. And now you could do an intensive programme, but it's like. That's like the one that I did when I was in grad school, which is the 10 days and you're really hammer at it. Or you can do Camper down, which. And what.

James Burden

What you do in these programmes is Camper down works like this. There's a video, I have one on YouTube and there's plenty of others out there where you watch me or whoever the speaker is, speak at it in an incredibly slow, connected, flowy kind of a way. Much in the same way like you would learn to swing a golf club or swing a baseball bat, slowly at first, very slow, just to get the muscle memory and then speed it up over time. And it ends in a kind of a flowy way of speaking that sounds like this. Now I'm overdoing it a little bit so that you can hear. But then when you speed it up, it sounds pretty much typical. Like it sounds like a typical speaker. But what we're doing is we're keeping our voice activated.

James Burden

So that's the here, so that stays activated. And we're making sure each word flows into the next so that it has this sort of flowiness to it. And once we. You practise with the video and you work with me to speed that up over time and still maintain like a natural cadence. So what can be challenging is as people are learning this, they might end up sounding like this for a minute. And then you have to learn how to, okay, let's re. Add in inflection and re. Add in tone and pitch.

James Burden

And until it sounds natural from there, it needs to actually be used. Well, what, what I'm noticing right now with my. One of my current clients is that she's started to learn this method. And she's also been tracking her daily stuttering and we're watching it going down and I have a. I won't get into, like, how we track it exactly, except that it's like it's her feelings about her stutter as opposed to exactly what it sounds like. Because what's more important is how people feel about their speech than it is what other people actually hear. So for her, she's. We.

James Burden

She's only been with me about three, four weeks now. I think we just hit week four and she's doing amazing. She's. Her stuttering is reduced a great deal. She's putting herself out there more than she ever did before and she's feeling really good about it. And that's before we've even finished the programme. What we're going to be doing now is taking what she's learned and going and trying it out with different people. So we start with the easy ones, you know, friends and family.

James Burden

Using this technique for speaking with friends and family and then trying it out with people that she doesn't know quite so well, eventually getting it towards where she'll be doing a little bit of public speaking. Not huge public speaking, but just like in front of, like, a group of people. Not like on stage, just like at a party, say. And then each time we're. We're kind of combining this acceptance, commitment, therapy approach, putting what is most valuable to you with what is. So what are your goals for your speech and then moving up this hierarchy. So she's doing amazing. She's only having to work on this for 15 minutes a day and she's already in a month in.

James Burden

She is. Her mindset has changed a huge amount. She's learning. Not that she doesn't have to be perfect in every single situation because, like, we've been talking about stuttering doesn't mean there's anything wrong, so. And also speech. What. What people don't realise. We are all naturally good at speaking as humans, right? So if a cat is agile and good on its feet, we have a natural ability to talk.

James Burden

But the fine motor coordination that is required to speak is enormous. We have to. We have to coordinate our lips, tongue, lungs, jaw, vocal folds, all in real time, while simultaneously processing language. And then when there's a little interruption in that, we think we might think to ourselves we're not a good speaker. But this is like a tiny blip in an incredibly complex machine that people don't realise. And then people are tracking for danger. They're worried that they're Gonna stutter. So that just interrupts the machine even more.

James Burden

And the pressure is what my current client is, one of my current clients is learning to release. So releasing that pressure, learning to speak in a new way, trying it out in new situations. And again the masterclass kind of breaks it down in more detail than I. Then we have time for here. But that being said, it's, it's only a 19 minute masterclass. It just very quickly will run you through all of the ways that your mindset is affected and how that actually affects the speech directly. So it's not just us sitting around holding hands, singing Kumbaya, saying you're okay because you stutter. It's by doing that it gen genuinely affects the way we speak.

James Burden

It's, it's much more than just feeling good about ourselves. It's about how to speak more fluently because you feel good about yourself.

Joanne Lockwood

You mentioned at the beginning that about 1% of the population will have a stutter some of some shape or form globally across ages and disproportionately men over women. I would say. Well, I'm guessing it's far more prevalent for people to have different speak speech artefacts for want of a better way of describing them in terms of filler words. The ums, the ahs, the I know I speak and I often repeat a word as thinking time. So I would go I, I, I or and, and, and, and I would have those kind of artefacts in the way I speak. And I often when I'm reviewing the transcript I see the words stacked up and I think well that was me revving up for the next sentence if you like. Can the techniques you're using here help that those artefacts as well as a stutter or are they different attributes of the mind here?

James Burden

Well, what you're talking about is completely natural for all of us. I do it, you do it. Those little like I just did right there, like the, I'm like giving myself time to process language and this is what gets mixed up into something that would be what we call stuttering versus normal disfluency. Those things get mixed up in together. And yes, a lot of the techniques, the slowing way down technique and then speeding up, that's more for fluency, that is more for stuttering. But a lot of the other kinds of things that we learn in my programme are pausing, slowing down on your main point. All of the natural good public speaking techniques also help you stutter less. And you, you talked about like these things happening when you're under stress or when you're trying to speak in a public situation, maybe on a podcast.

James Burden

Right now, like as I'm processing what I want to say, I'm having to slow down. And if I don't slow down then I'm going to do the ums and the ahs. Another factor for the ums and the odds for people who stutter is sometimes they're using them to cover a stutter. I know I can say this certain phrase fluently every time. So it might be a, you know, it might be a, you know what I mean or it might be any kind of little filler phrase that keeps things flowing for them while they think of the next thing. So it's a combination of language processing and motor planning for the mouth. Does that answer your question?

Joanne Lockwood

Yeah, I know there are certain words that I'm going to trip over. I just can't get my. I just can't form them correctly or in my mind I can't. One of them is championing. I just, I really struggle with that word and I sometimes I find myself heading down this one way street and that word's definitely on the horizon. I'm thinking, blimey, I'm going to crash into that in a minute. And I can't stop myself using that word. And what I found sometimes is maybe it's because I have the confidence to be able to make light of it and go champing one of those words I just can't say and then just make light of it and just pause and everyone in the audience knows the word I'm trying to say.

Joanne Lockwood

I've made light of the fact it's got stuck in my mouth somehow and I just move on from it having used the word as a lighthearted segue to something else. And I guess some of that is confidence and also. But I know when I'm on stage speaking, training, whatever I'm doing, I'll know that I'll get end up in this linguistic roadblock. It's gonna hit me. And sometimes I won't even finish the sentence. I'll somehow pause, segue to something else and carry on talking. And I've learned over the years that nobody notices, nobody really listens that intensively to every single word you say. And I think once I stopped being hung up about being word perfect on every sentence, I realised that nobody cares or nobody notices.

Joanne Lockwood

That pressure comes off, doesn't it?

James Burden

You've hit the nail on the head there. So there's a couple of wonderful points in there. First off, that this is a very human thing, you don't have to self identify as a person who stutters to have gone through that experience of, oh, no, here's a word I don't know how to say. It always comes out wrong. And then because of that knowledge or that expectation, then it go. Then it does come out that way. And then it's more proof for you that you can't say that word. The other thing you mentioned is other people don't really notice that much.

James Burden

Now, if you're a person who stutters, who has been teased since you were a little kid, corrected, told that you don't speak normal, then those little micro traumas add up to a bigger trauma around your speech. And it's a lot harder to let that go or laugh it off the way a person who doesn't have that lived experience would. So for you and me, if I stutter, I'll just like, oh, wow, that was funny. And then I move on. If you've had a lot of these micro traumas, it's a lot harder and you kind of clench up even tighter or you just won't put yourself in a situation where that could possibly happen because the fear of that happening is, is too great. The experience, you can't, you don't want to relive that over and over. You remember times as it's happened already and it's, it's just too much. There's so many more people out there who stutter than, than you'd expect.

James Burden

But most of them, you would never hear them do it or know that they stutter because they're avoiding, because they're making sure you don't hear it. And that is one of the things that is top of mind for them. And maybe if we work on that mindset. Well, I know that if we work on that mindset, that can start to relieve the pressure and put them in the same position that you and I would be of just like, oh, laughing it off and moving on.

Joanne Lockwood

Are there speecho files? Like, you have audiophiles, you know, people who want the perfect sound recording, you know, the purists who find CD music abhorrent and it has to be the full harmonics of analogue music from a vinyl. Are there people who have the speech thing? Because I've been on various podcast forums and there are people say, oh, no, you must clean out all the ums and the ahs. And I get so distracted if the voice isn't fluent and the right level of recording and the right depth of tone. And are there people out there that want to Police you into their definition of perfect.

James Burden

Well, I've done a number of podcasts so far and I've never met any of them. It seems to me more likely that those kind of people are self conscious than they are other consciousness. So if they are disfluent, whether they're a person who stutters or not, if they are disfluent, then that bugs them. If their sound isn't just so it bugs them. And maybe it bugs them when other people's sounds are. But I think it's less common than the self judgement. Maybe that's just my personal opinion.

Joanne Lockwood

Just fluent a lot as a. I never heard of that word before, but yeah, it's. We talked about stuttering. There's another word, stammer. Is. Is a stutter and a stammer the same thing?

James Burden

Oh yes, yeah, sorry, of course. It's just a. It's a cultural difference. In the UK it's stammer and in North America it's stutter. They mean exactly the same thing.

Joanne Lockwood

Yeah, I've heard both terms. I wouldn't, I wouldn't necessarily say that stutter is not a UK word, but I've heard they describe it as stammering. So they are the same thing.

James Burden

Yeah, I don't really. There is another thing as well called cluttering. I don't want to get too into that. That is a very much more rare. It's like so stuttering is one in a hundred. I don't know the stats on cluttering, but it's related. But it's more like squishing words together. I don't know how to even imitate it the way I could.

James Burden

I'm used to being able to produce a stutter so that I can work with clients on it. So. And it's important for me. Sometimes I will stutter publicly. Sometimes I. I go out and stutter and just to remind myself of the lived experience of people who stutter. It's not the same as having it all the time, but just to. Okay, what is it like when people give you that funny look or do they even give it to you or is it just you're expecting to see it? It's interesting.

James Burden

It's worth. It's worth a little experiment. If you're not a person who stutters, just to go try it once in a while. I don't really expect a lot to take me up on that challenge, but it is eye opening and to see how people react to you if you stutter.

Joanne Lockwood

Yeah. I developed a self consciousness if you like. Probably when I was hitting puberty, 11, 10, 12 years old. That kind of age we first become self aware of judgement and how people see us and things like that. And I remember in school classes in English, we had to read out, I think it was probably Shakespeare or Romeo and Juliet or something. We all had to. The teacher would go around the room and say, right, you read out the next paragraph. And I remember having to stand up in class holding this book.

Joanne Lockwood

And I find it extremely difficult to read and talk, to read out loud from a written page. My eyes don't track properly. I'm really bad at following a book and reading each line. I can read paragraphs and I can read and get the gist of things, but I can't read word for word. So I used to be really paranoid about standing up, reading out loud, knowing I would lose track of where I was in the sentence or not be able to come up the next word properly. And of course that, that led me to feel like I was going bright red. You know, that embarrassment, all the blood flowing to my cheeks, all that fight flight, fear kicking in, that adrenaline and that, that led me to avoiding standing up and speaking out loud for many, many years. Yeah, right up and probably through my 20s, into my 30s.

Joanne Lockwood

And it only became, when I guess I became more self confident in other things, in my ability, that I lost the fear just by being a more confident person. But it did dog me for many years, that stigma and shame of not being able to speak without my face going bright red and the fear of messing up in public all through that, reading out loud in school.

James Burden

And so here you are as a podcaster, you're speaking in front of, you know, thousands, tens of thousands of people, even if it's recorded first, you're, you're putting yourself out there. So for you, I'm curious, do you think the confidence came first or did putting yourself out there come first? Or was it like kind of like meshed in together?

Joanne Lockwood

I think it was. I'm gonna, I'm gonna say.

James Burden

Experience.

Joanne Lockwood

Of nobody really noticed, you know, I was standing up, I was doing something, I wasn't practising, I was doing live. All the anxieties in my head, all these things are firing off in my brain saying, you can't, this is going to go wrong, you're going to go bright red, you're going to fluff it up, people are not going to like you, they're going to hate you. All this stigma's kicking in. And then I realised that it was Just false statements going on in my head. I learned that all these, all this negative down talk was made up and I think it just became. I overcame that self fulfilling prophecy with a new story and became a new self fulfilling prophecy that it was okay. And I went to a stage where I was just starting to become a stage professional speaker going out on stage all the time in front of 6, 700 people audiences, huge audiences. And I'd always have this fight flight, fear kicking in in like 30 seconds before I was.

Joanne Lockwood

As the person started to introduce me, I'd always sit in the wings going, if there's suddenly a power cut, I won't be disappointed. If suddenly I'm cancelled. And the person introducing me says, we've changed the programme, sorry Joanne, you're not on anymore. I was going. So I had this major anxiety because I was always scared of those first words, that first sentence. Because in my mind I wasn't sure what I was going to say first. Because I'm one of these speakers that doesn't have a script. I don't over rehearse things.

Joanne Lockwood

The first thing that comes out of my mouth often is a surprise to me. It's been playing around in my head and something gets, a package of words gets delivered to my mouth and it comes out at the right moment. So I had to learn to trust myself. I had to learn that when I'm on that stage and I pause, I smile, I look around the room to create that dramatic effect, that lean in feeling in the audience. I knew that whatever came out my mouth first was gonna make sense, the audience were gonna be drawn in and it would work. So once I started realising that I could trust myself, I then believed in myself and now I don't get that anxiety. Someone said, oh, can you go up there and talk about this? I go, give me 10 seconds, I'll just plug the module in. Go.

Joanne Lockwood

Okay, okay, okay. All right, I've got an opening line. Once the opening line's out, I know the rest will just follow. And it is a kind of a trust in me and not let that fear dominate my life. So yeah, I guess it's, I've developed that technique. And also people have described me as having a late night radio voice, very slow, very methodical, very rhythmic. When someone said they found it very warming and easy to listen to, I thought, okay, let's max that. Let's really focus on that's the way I speak.

Joanne Lockwood

And very rhythmic and very calm. It means I don't have to rush my sentences out. And I Can put a bit of pace in if I want to. I can tone up, tone down and I can bring some different sorts of pace and rhythm to my speaking. So, yeah, it is a learned behaviour through observation and practise.

James Burden

What you're describing is so human. I mean, one of the biggest fears many people have sometimes. I've heard this said. I don't know if it's true that sometimes people fear embarrassment more than death or they fear public speaking more than death. And, like, I can't speak to that, but because I am, I don't have that fear.

Joanne Lockwood

Dying?

James Burden

No, no, I haven't tried dying either. But I mean, I've been in some scary situations, skiing and some scary situations doing sports. Yeah, no, fear of death is worse than. Worse than fear of public speaking for me. But, you know, that might be true for some people. What you said, though, made me think of this funny quip I heard. When you are young, you care what other people think. And in middle age you don't care what other people think.

James Burden

And when you get older, you realise no one was thinking about you in the first place, they were just thinking about themselves. And that is very powerful for getting up on stage or very powerful for doing a podcast. People want to hear what's in it for them. If you make a little mistake here and there, the people who are judging you are more likely, if they are judging you at all, they're judging you to feel better about themselves, that really, everyone's wandering around thinking about themselves 99% of the time. So if that helps you take some of the fear out of public speaking, out of trying to speak, and the fact that you might start to remember that most people are just thinking about themselves most of the time.

Joanne Lockwood

Yeah. There's another analogy that I use on this one, where if you take a group photo, whether that's your school, class, the conference you're at, your family grouping, whatever it may be, and the first thing you do when you grab that photograph is you find yourself in it to make sure your expression, whether you were looking the right way, whether you were smiling at the camera, whether your hair was in place yet your clothing was right, I guarantee that's what most people will do with a photograph, where they're in it somewhere they'll find themselves. And if you pass that photo to the next person, they're going to do exactly the same about them and not give a hoot about you. It's only maybe after time passes, they'll scan the line and go, oh, look, you've got A silly grin on, haven't you? But the first reaction everyone's going to do with that photograph is find themselves and worry about them. So exactly what you're saying, so what's in it for me? What do I care about? I care about me, how I'm getting out of this. Actually, you know, I've got my daughter, you take a photograph, you say, oh, don't ever post that, don't. What did you post that one for? I look awful. I go, it's just a family photo, we all look awful, don't worry about it.

Joanne Lockwood

Because people lock on to themselves and they exactly what you're saying. So audibly or even visually.

James Burden

And so if, if I could take that point and run with it, if, if there's people listening right now who want to know, what can I get out of this? And I'm speaking to, mainly to the people who stutter. What you can get out of listening to this and watching my masterclass is how to use these techniques practically, how to use this information about people not really thinking about you, about how stuttering affects your mindset and your mindset affects your speech. How to use that practically to stutter less. Because that is what most people who stutter are interested in. They want to stutter less. They don't want to hear about mindset or feeling good about themselves, they just want to stutter less. And I'm here to say that learning about mindset, learning about techniques will help you stutter less. So that is what you can get out of my very short 19 minute masterclass.

James Burden

It's not, it's not there to just make you feel good right away, but to actually help you stutter less by feeling good about yourself.

Joanne Lockwood

James, that is fascinating. I mean, our conversation is, it's, it's really resonated with me. Just as I say my own speech artefacts. Never. I don't think I've ever stuttered, but I've, I've certainly had speech artefacts I've been very paranoid about, so it's helped me contextualise those. So how can people get ahold of you and find out more about your masterclass and your programme?

James Burden

Well, I'll give you the link to the masterclass and that will send you straight to a. When you watch the first minute or so, three minutes, then you'll get a link to book a call with me. I am just interested in having conversations with people, so it's, there's no charge to have a conversation with me. Just get on the phone, tell me what your struggles are. I'll see if I can help you. And if you invite me to help you, I will. This is not. I have never, ever successfully convinced someone that they need help with their stutter, that it has to come from them.

James Burden

So because otherwise none of the therapy, none of the coaching can be effective from a. From a place of. I don't really want to be here. So there's absolutely no point whatsoever in pressuring you. So please reach out, make a call. Even if it's about a teen or a loved one, maybe I can offer them some support as well.

Joanne Lockwood

Excellent. I found you on LinkedIn and just search for James Burden. B U R D E N. Yeah, you're there.

James Burden

Yeah. Also, I'm on a stuttering blueprint on Facebook and Instagram. But yeah, the really best way is to just watch that masterclass and then make a call with me.

Joanne Lockwood

Great. I'll put all the links in the show notes at the bottom of this so people can track you down. But it's been a fascinating conversation. James, I've really got something out this. It's a subject I've probably never explored before. So thank you so much for your time.

James Burden

You're welcome. Thank you for having me. Can I just send one last little. Say one last little thing to your audience?

Joanne Lockwood

Go for it. Go for it. To our listener that they're leaning in. Go for it.

James Burden

Okay, so for those listening, especially if you're someone who stutters, here's what I want you to take away. People are out there who need to hear your voice. Not a polished version, not a perfect version. The real you. So every week, challenge yourself to share your story with at least one person, one group or one platform. And not because it's easy, but because your voice matters. So Joanne, thank you so much for having me and this conversation has been a guest.

Joanne Lockwood

Thanks, James. As we bring this conversation to a close, I want to express my deepest gratitude to you, our listener, for lending your ear and heart to the cause of inclusion. Today's discussion struck a chord. Consider subscribing to Inclusion Bites and become part of our ever growing community driving real change. Share this journey with friends, family and colleagues. Lets amplify the voices that matter. Got thoughts, stories or a vision to share? I'm all ears. Reach out to jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk and let's make your voice heard.

Joanne Lockwood

Until next time, this is Joanne Lockwood signing off with a promise to return with more enriching narratives that challenge, inspire and unite us all. Here's to fostering a more inclusive world. One episode at a time. Catch you on the next bite.

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  1. Turning Stuttering Into Strength: Empowering Voices and Challenging Stigma with James Burden

  2. Breaking the Silence: Inclusion, Belonging, and Confidence for People Who Stutter

  3. Stuttering Without Apology: Unpacking Shame and Embracing Neurodiversity in Speech

  4. Creating Safe Spaces: Transforming Stuttering Myths and Supporting Authentic Communication

  5. Removing Stigma From Speech: Acceptance, Therapy, and Growth for Professionals Who Stutter

  6. Speaking Freely: Overcoming Speech Barriers and Empowering Adults with Stuttering

  7. Moving Beyond Shame: The Inclusion Bites Guide to Flourishing with Speech Differences

  8. Challenging Speech Norms: Stuttering, Acceptance, and Advocacy for Real Inclusion

  9. Harnessing Stuttering as a Superpower: Mindset Shifts for Professional and Personal Growth

  10. Inclusion in Action: Dismantling Stuttering Stereotypes and Celebrating Every Voice

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James Burden explores the journey from stuttering to self-acceptance, challenging stigma and shedding light on how creating safe spaces empowers professionals to transform difference into strength and foster genuine inclusion.

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Stuttering Empowerment, Inclusive Communication, Neurodiversity Acceptance, Speech Confidence, Breaking Stigma, Authentic Voices, Personal Growth, Safe Spaces, Mindset Transformation, Professional Development

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In this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood is joined by James Burden to unravel the stigma around stuttering and challenge the status quo on fluent speech. The conversation explores how perceptions of speech difference can affect inclusion and professional aspirations, especially when societal expectations drive shame and self-censorship. Joanne and James reflect on their own experiences with public speaking anxiety, emphasising that the pressure to be word-perfect is often self-imposed and rarely noticed by audiences. Through warm anecdotes and honest discussion, listeners are encouraged to reframe stuttering not as a flaw or disorder but as a natural speech variation that need not be hidden or apologised for.

James Burden is a speech language pathologist hailing from Vancouver, currently residing in Mexico while travelling the world to deepen his understanding of human communication. As the founder of Stuttering Blueprint, James empowers professionals who stutter to embrace their authentic voice and speak with confidence. Drawing on years of clinical experience and the latest research into stuttering as neurodivergence, he advocates for support that goes far beyond techniques for fluency—focusing instead on dismantling internalised shame and fostering genuine self-acceptance. His approach combines evidence-based methods such as the Camperdown programme with acceptance commitment therapy, helping individuals re-order their values and melt away the "stuttering iceberg" of negative self-judgement.

Joanne and James probe into the myths surrounding stuttering, illuminate the harmful effects of secrecy and silence, and discuss practical approaches for listeners—whether they stutter or not—to engage empathetically in conversations. The episode highlights how small changes in mindset and environment can transform personal and professional lives for those who stutter, and underscores the importance of not sidelining voices that break with convention.

A key takeaway from this episode is the call to release the pressure for perfection and embrace authenticity in speech. Listeners will discover actionable insights into supporting colleagues and loved ones with speech differences and, above all, will be reminded that inclusion truly means celebrating the full richness of human communication. Tune in to be inspired to listen more deeply, dismantle stigma, and make space for every voice at the table.

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00:00 From Vancouver, living in Mexico, heading to Peru; enjoys travelling, exploring spiritual ceremonies, and adds depth to their pursuits.

04:10 Interest in linguistics and psychology led to pursuing speech pathology; a practicum introduced stuttering-focused therapy.

09:17 Avoidance due to stuttering limits opportunities, but myths about stuttering can be challenged, as proven by successful individuals like Joe Biden.

10:43 The cause of stuttering remains unclear despite extensive research; experts proposed in 2023 that it may be a form of neurodivergence.

15:20 Be patient, listen without interrupting, and accept stuttering as a normal way of speaking for 1% of the population.

18:51 Discuss stuttering openly; address it naturally without aiming to "fix" it.

22:20 Stuttering is like an iceberg: visible behaviours above and underlying thoughts, feelings, and fears below. True support involves addressing the hidden emotional layers.

25:03 Struggling with internalised stigma and self-doubt due to a speech impairment can hinder social interaction and increase pressure in situations like job interviews.

29:22 Camperdown programmes teach slow, flowy speech to build muscle memory, gradually speeding up for natural, typical speaking whilst keeping the voice activated.

32:04 Gradual speech practice using acceptance and commitment therapy to improve confidence, starting with friends and progressing to small public settings.

35:00 1% globally stutter; speech artefacts like filler words or repetition are common. Can techniques for stutter help manage these artefacts too?

39:46 Stuttering can cause cumulative trauma from repeated teasing and correction, making recovery and social interactions difficult.

41:15 Are there purists for speech recordings, akin to audiophiles, who insist on flawless voice quality and editing?

46:18 Overcoming self-doubt and anxiety led to personal transformation, enabling growth into a confident public speaker.

47:46 Trusting oneself eliminates anxiety and enhances confidence in public speaking.

51:09 People instinctively focus on themselves first when viewing group photos, prioritising their appearance and reaction.

56:20 Join the Inclusion Bites community, subscribe, share, and connect with Joe at joe.lockwood@cchangehappen.co.uk to amplify voices for inclusion.

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00:00 Travelling with Spiritual Purpose

04:10 Journey into Speech Pathology

09:17 Overcoming Stuttering Myths

10:43 Stuttering: A Neurodivergence Debate

15:20 "Understanding and Supporting Stuttering"

18:51 Discuss Stuttering Openly

22:20 "Melt the Stuttering Iceberg"

25:03 Stigma and Struggles of Stuttering

29:22 "Flow Training for Speech"

32:04 Speech Confidence Through Gradual Practice

35:00 Speech Fluency and Filler Words

39:46 Stuttering and Lingering Trauma

41:15 Speech Perfectionists Exist?

46:18 Overcoming Self-Doubt for Growth

47:46 Trusting Spontaneity on Stage

51:09 "Finding Yourself in Photos"

56:20 "Inclusion Bites: Join Us"

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This week, I’m honoured to welcome James Burden, speech language pathologist and founder of Stuttering Blueprint—a trailblazer in turning stuttering into strength for professionals worldwide. If you think speech differences are barriers, prepare for a perspective shift.

Together, we explore:

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Step into a world where stuttering is acknowledged as strength, not silence. In this episode of Inclusion Bites, I explore with James what it truly means to lead culture change through Positive People Experiences. If you’ve ever felt pressure to be perfect in how you communicate, this is your safe sanctuary for fresh perspectives and practical tips. Join us as James shares powerful insights on normalising speech differences, shattering harmful stigma, and empowering professionals to connect and thrive without apology. Whether you’re a HR enthusiast, a changemaker, or seeking actionable ways to nurture belonging, this episode challenges you to embrace all voices and foster real societal transformation. Be part of the movement—listen to discover why your story and presence matter in shaping inclusive culture.

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Stay curious, stay kind, and stay inclusive – Joanne Lockwood

ℹ️ Introduction

On this episode of Inclusion Bites, host Joanne Lockwood welcomes James Burden, a speech-language pathologist and founder of Stuttering Blueprint, for a compelling discussion titled “Stuttering Without Apology.” Together, they explore the challenge and liberation of living with a stutter, unravelling both the visible facets and the hidden depths—such as shame, self-judgement, and societal stigma—that impact speech and confidence.

James shares his journey from linguistics fascination to becoming a specialist in stuttering, highlighting the evolution of his approach from mere fluency training to building safe spaces where stuttering is seen as a strength, not a flaw. The episode deftly covers neurodiversity, dispelling myths, and emphasising the inclusive importance of accepting diverse speech patterns—whether they manifest as stuttering, stammering, or everyday disfluencies.

Joanne and James provide practical insights for listeners, from how to support someone who stutters in conversation, to the power of mindset shifts and acceptance to unlock more fluent speech. This episode challenges the listener to rethink perfection in communication, address the internalised stigma around speech differences, and recognise that authenticity—rather than apologetic performance—is what truly matters.

Tune in for an honest conversation that not only illuminates the lived experience of stuttering, but also equips you to contribute to a more inclusive narrative where every voice, no matter how it sounds, counts.

💬 Keywords

stuttering, stammering, speech language pathology, inclusion, belonging, neurodivergence, speech therapy, stigma, shame, societal transformation, fluency techniques, speech impairment, speech confidence, workplace inclusion, avoidance behaviours, acceptance commitment therapy, public speaking anxiety, speech transformation, Michael Palin Centre, speech mindset, self-acceptance, diversity and inclusion, professional development, communication barriers, speech disfluency, mindset shift, linguistic differences, parent-child interaction, speech coaching, stuttering myths, supportive environments

About this Episode

About The Episode:
In this episode, James Burden, a speech language pathologist and founder of Stuttering Blueprint, joins to share expert insight into the lived experience of stuttering and its impact on inclusion and belonging. Speaking candidly about the transformation from silence to strength, James explores the deep-seated stigma attached to stuttering, how societal attitudes compound its challenges, and what truly effective support looks like. Whether you are a professional, an aspiring ally, or someone navigating your own speech journey, this conversation offers practical strategies to foster acceptance and confidence.

Today, we'll cover:

  • Why stuttering is best understood as a neurodivergence present across all cultures, not as a disorder or deficit.

  • The psychological effects of shame, self-judgement, and internalised stigma on speech and personal confidence.

  • The role societal expectations and early experiences play in shaping attitudes and avoidance behaviours around stuttering.

  • Practical, evidence-based techniques such as the prolonged speech method, and the significance of practising self-acceptance alongside fluency strategies.

  • The importance of the “stuttering iceberg” model, illuminating the hidden emotional and cognitive aspects beneath visible speech behaviours.

  • Best practices for listeners and conversational partners—how to create supportive environments and respond to stuttering with patience and authenticity.

  • Action steps to shift the narrative from striving for perfection to valuing authentic self-expression, regardless of fluency.

💡 Speaker bios

Joanne Lockwood hails from Vancouver, BC, where she continues to keep her home base. Currently residing in Mexico, she is soon to embark on a journey to Peru, combining her professional work with her passion for travel and exploration. Joanne is deeply committed to enriching her personal and professional life by immersing herself in diverse cultures and engaging in spiritual practices. She frequently participates in ceremonies with indigenous peoples around the world, finding great value in these experiences beyond her stuttering programme, and believes that travelling adds unique depth to the services she offers.

💡 Speaker bios

Certainly! Here’s a short bio for James Burden, crafted in British English and summarised in a story format, inspired by the original text:


James Burden: Inclusion Bites Guest Bio (Story Format)

James Burden’s journey is one of bold curiosity and a steadfast commitment to fostering a more inclusive world. Featured on Inclusion Bites, James joined Joanne Lockwood to dive deep into the heart of belonging and societal transformation. Guided by a belief that true change is sparked through genuine conversation, James not only challenges the status quo but also champions the stories that matter—those that help every individual not just to belong, but to thrive. Whether sharing his insights over morning coffee or reflecting at the end of a long day, James inspires others to connect, reflect and take meaningful action. He reminds us all that nobody need journey alone on the path to inclusion, and invites everyone to be part of a conversation that has the power to reshape our world.


❇️ Key topics and bullets

Certainly! Here is a comprehensive sequence of topics covered in the episode "Stuttering Without Apology" from the Inclusion Bites Podcast, presented with clear primary topics and supporting sub-topics:


1. Welcome and Introductions

  • Inclusion Bites as a platform for bold, transformative conversations.

  • Joanne Lockwood’s role as host and her call for audience participation.

  • Introduction of guest James Burden, speech language pathologist and founder of Stuttering Blueprint.

  • James Burden’s superpower: creating safe spaces where stuttering is seen as strength.

2. Personal Backgrounds and Global Experiences

  • James Burden’s geographic journey: Vancouver, Mexico, and spiritual exploration.

  • Humour and stories: Joanne’s accidental trip to Mexico.

3. The Stuttering Blueprint Journey

  • James’s origin story: intrigue with speech, linguistics, and psychology.

  • Early exposure to professional stuttering workshops and transformative client experiences.

  • Mentorship in stuttering, clinical practice, and adoption of methods like Camperdown and prolonged speech.

4. Attitude towards Stuttering and Inclusion

  • Shift from “fixing” stuttering to accepting and easing communication.

  • Creation of environments where stuttering is normalised and not a source of shame.

  • Importance of making speech easier rather than achieving a mythical ‘perfection.’

5. The Impact of Societal Stigma and Shame

  • Negative messages from peers, teachers, and society leading to internalised shame.

  • Stuttering’s effect on professional ambition and personal opportunities.

  • Breaking harmful myths, e.g., stuttering marks inability or lower intelligence.

6. Understanding the Root Causes of Stuttering

  • Ongoing scientific search for causal explanations.

  • Stuttering as a neurodivergence: cultural and gender prevalence, cross-linguistic universality.

  • Gender disparity and societal factors contributing to reported rates.

7. Linguistic Manifestations of Stuttering

  • How stuttered sounds or words become self-fulfilling prophecies.

  • Impact of embarrassment and avoidance strategies on speech patterns.

8. Supportive Listening and Responses

  • Recommendations for listeners: patience, refraining from interruption or sentence completion.

  • Advocacy for acceptance and reframing stuttering as ordinary human variation.

  • Different approaches when supporting adults versus children.

9. Parent-Child Interaction and Therapeutic Models

  • Overview of the Palin Parent Child Interaction (PCI) model.

  • Reference to Michael Palin’s advocacy and contributions post-Fish Called Wanda.

  • Distinction between Palin PCI and more prescriptive methods like Lidcombe.

10. Interventions and Therapeutic Techniques for Adults

  • Focus on supporting professionals and entrepreneurs who stutter.

  • Addressing the stuttering iceberg: surface behaviour versus underlying thoughts and emotions.

  • Acceptance Commitment Therapy (ACT) and its role in reshaping self-judgement and values.

11. Social and Psychological Dynamics

  • Allusion to Brene Brown’s work on shame.

  • Social silence, secrecy, and judgement as amplifiers of shame for those who stutter.

  • The metaphor of “poop in the pool” illustrating pervasive self-criticism.

12. Fluency Techniques and Practical Approach

  • Introduction of prolonged speech methods and the Camperdown programme.

  • Muscle memory, gradual pace increase, and maintenance of natural cadence.

  • Importance of feelings over objective assessment of speech.

  • Stepwise exposure and application of techniques: from family to public speaking.

13. Speech Artefacts and Disfluency in Everyday Speech

  • The nature of filler words, repetitions, and processing delays.

  • Differentiation between typical disfluency and clinical stuttering.

  • Slowing pace and pause techniques beneficial for broader public speaking competence.

14. Cultural and Terminological Clarifications

  • Distinction between “stuttering” (North America) and “stammering” (UK).

  • Brief mention of “cluttering” as a related but rarer speech pattern.

15. Self-Consciousness, Public Speaking, and Confidence

  • Discussion of personal experiences with stage fright and speech anxiety.

  • The psychological journey from fear to competence in public speaking.

  • The realisation that audiences focus on themselves, not scrutinising the speaker.

  • Analogies: group photos and individual self-focus as parallel to audience perception.

16. Call to Action and Audience Empowerment

  • Encouragement for listeners who stutter: share stories, use authentic voice.

  • Invitation to reach out for support or participate on the podcast.

  • Details on how to access James Burden’s masterclass and contact him.


This sequence provides a detailed overview and structure of the episode, reflecting the holistic and nuanced exploration of stuttering, inclusion, and personal empowerment.

The Hook
  1. Ever thought that YOUR biggest fear might be living in silence—not just with words, but with who you are? What if stuttering wasn’t a flaw to hide... but a superpower to unleash? Keep reading—this could flip your entire perspective on speaking up.

  2. Who decides what “perfect speech” sounds like anyway? Spoiler: It’s not the voice in your head. There’s a secret to connecting, thriving, and being heard—even when you stumble. Curious? It’s NOT what you think…

  3. We’re all told to “fix” ourselves before we’re allowed to shine. But what if the real solution is NOT fixing, but embracing—every pause, every stumble, every moment of imperfection? Ready to break the rules on what confident communication really looks like?

  4. STOP—don’t scroll past this. Ever felt judged for the way you speak? Avoided opportunities because your words felt stuck? This isn’t just about fluency—it’s about rewriting the story in your head. Want to melt the iceberg of self-doubt? It starts here...

  5. “Is my voice good enough?” That question—ring any bells? Imagine a world where your quirks aren’t liabilities, but the keys to connection. The strategies, stories and mindset shifts you’ll discover could change not only how you speak—but how you show up, everywhere.

🗞️ Newsletter

Subject: Inclusion Bites: Stuttering Without Apology – Shattering Myths and Fostering Belonging


Hello Inclusion Bites Community,

We’re thrilled to bring you a new episode of the Inclusion Bites Podcast, hosted by Joanne Lockwood from SEE Change Happen. This week, we welcome James Burden, an expert speech and language pathologist and founder of Stuttering Blueprint, for a compelling conversation titled “Stuttering Without Apology.”

Breaking the Stigma – Why Stuttering is Not a Deficit

James Burden takes us inside the world of stuttering, challenging the prejudices and stereotypes that often shroud speech differences. He shares from both professional expertise and lived experience, powerfully asserting: stuttering doesn’t make someone less intelligent, less capable, or less worthy of opportunity. Instead, stuttering is simply a natural variation in the human experience—much like being left-handed or neurodivergent.

From Shame to Strength

One of the central themes this episode explores is the insidious impact of shame. James and Joanne unpack how societal attitudes—repeated teasing, well-meaning correction, and subtle exclusion—can internalise a sense of deficiency in people who stutter. Drawing on Brene Brown’s work around shame, James advocates for creating “warmer water”—safe, accepting environments where people who stutter can express themselves without fear.

What Can Listeners Do?

Ever wondered what you should do when someone is stuttering? James’s advice is simple yet profound:

  • Do not interrupt or finish sentences—patience and eye contact are key.

  • Avoid drawing extra attention—let the conversation flow naturally.

  • Normalise stuttering—it’s not a disorder or flaw, but a human difference.

Most importantly, he reminds us that the most beneficial thing we can do is not to ‘fix’ people, but to accept and support them. True inclusion begins with accepting speech diversity as a normal part of communication.

Toolkit for Professionals and Families

James introduces innovative approaches like the “prolonged speech” method and Acceptance Commitment Therapy. Whether you’re a professional with a stammer, a parent supporting a child, or an ally wishing to make a difference, this conversation is packed with actionable insights. He also generously shares his Masterclass for those seeking deeper guidance—watch out for the link in the episode notes.

Listener’s Call-to-Action: Share Your Unfiltered Voice

James leaves us with an inspiring challenge: every week, share your authentic voice—unpolished and unapologetic—because the world needs to hear the real you. Your story matters, and it’s time to step confidently into spaces that have long felt exclusionary.

Get Involved

If you’d like to connect, contribute, or appear on a future episode, reach out to Joanne at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk. Explore past episodes and subscribe at seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen.

Together, let’s spark conversations that matter and continue to break down barriers—one voice, one bite at a time.

Warmest wishes,
The Inclusion Bites Team


#InclusionBites #StutteringAwareness #Belonging #SeeChangeHappen #PositivePeopleExperiences


Transcript of this episode is attached for those who want to delve deeper or share key learnings with colleagues and community.

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Amplifying Voices: My Journey on the Inclusion Bites Podcast – Stuttering Without Apology


Recently, I had the privilege of joining Joanne Lockwood on the acclaimed Inclusion Bites Podcast, an experience that allowed me to offer a candid exploration of what it means to stutter in a world still learning the true depth of inclusion. As a speech language pathologist and founder of Stuttering Blueprint, my mission centres on empowering professionals who stutter to lead with confidence and connect without compromise. What unfolded during the conversation was not a superficial chat, but a dialogue that unravelled the intricate layers surrounding speech differences, stigma, and self-acceptance.

Stepping Into Inclusion: Conversations That Matter

From the outset, Joanne provided a safe and engaging space where stuttering was celebrated as a strength, not a silence. The theme, “Stuttering Without Apology”, resonated powerfully with my own journey – as someone who builds safe spaces for others to voice their stories without hesitation or shame.

We delved into the origins of my passion for stuttering therapy: inspired by witnessing remarkable transformations in people attending intensive stuttering workshops, and subsequently mentored by some of the field’s most respected clinicians. Our exchange unearthed the reality that, despite society’s attachment to “fluency”, the true goal should be to speak more easily – not simply to fit into a false notion of perfection.

Unpacking Myths and Melting the Iceberg

One of the core topics was the persistent myths that surround stuttering. Too often, individuals internalise the idea that stuttering is a disorder or shortcoming, when in reality, it is a neurodivergent trait found consistently across cultures and languages—impacting 1% of the global population. Joanne and I challenged the outdated narratives that equate fluency with worthiness, instead asserting that every person has the right to communicate authentically, without the burden of stigma and self-judgment.

We talked candidly about the “stuttering iceberg”, a concept that highlights how the visible manifestations of stuttering are only the tip of the experience. Beneath the surface lie thoughts, feelings, and self-perceptions shaped by years of judgement, shame, and avoidance—factors that can limit lives and professional aspirations. Together, we advocated the transformative power of acceptance and the need to dismantle harmful societal messaging.

Pathways to Confidence: Practical Strategies

Crucially, our conversation was not just philosophical—it was practical. I shared the proven techniques I use, such as the Camperdown approach and the prolonged speech family of methods, which empower people to speak with greater ease whilst embracing themselves as “already enough”. We discussed how releasing the pressure to be perfect often leads to more fluent speech, as confidence grows and individuals begin to take up space, both socially and professionally.

For professionals and entrepreneurs who stutter, I explained how my masterclass offers strategies to reframe mindset, build resilience, and foster genuine belonging, both in the workplace and beyond. I emphasised that therapy or coaching only works if an individual is ready and willing—true transformation starts from within.

Fostering Inclusion Through Listening

A particularly insightful part of my exchange with Joanne focused on how listeners can support those who stutter. Sometimes, the most inclusive act is simply to wait, give time, and listen without interruption or judgement. We underscored that every voice deserves space, and patience can be the difference between silencing someone and empowering their expression.

A Call To Action: Your Voice Matters

In closing, I wanted listeners—especially those who stutter—to know: people need to hear your voice, not a polished or perfect version, but the authentic you. Challenge yourself to share your story each week, whether with one person, a group, or a wider audience. Inclusion isn’t an abstract concept—it’s an everyday commitment to equity, compassion, and celebrating our natural diversity.

Connect With Me

For those interested in learning more about stuttering, speech empowerment, or my masterclass, I warmly invite you to reach out for a conversation. I believe lasting change is possible when we embrace our voices and support each other’s journeys. The Inclusion Bites Podcast exemplifies the kind of courageous dialogue that drives real progress, and I’m grateful to have been a part of it.


For bookings, collaborations, or to watch my masterclass, please connect with me via LinkedIn or through Stuttering Blueprint on Facebook and Instagram. You can also catch the episode and join the Inclusion Bites community at Inclusion Bites Podcast.

Let’s continue to champion the message that every voice—however it manifests—deserves respect, acceptance, and amplification.

Pain Points and Challenges

Certainly. Drawing from the episode "Stuttering Without Apology" on The Inclusion Bites Podcast, several core pain points and challenges around stuttering and speech diversity were explored. Here’s a focused breakdown of those challenges, and targeted content aimed at overcoming them:


Identified Pain Points and Challenges:

  1. Stigma and Shame Associated with Stuttering

    • Stuttering is often viewed as a sign of brokenness, inviting silence, secrecy and judgement, resulting in internalised shame.

  2. Self-Judgment and Fear of Social Judgement

    • Individuals who stutter commonly internalise negative messages from childhood, peers, and society, fostering avoidance behaviours that limit their participation (e.g., avoiding job interviews or public speaking).

  3. Pressure to Attain 'Perfect' Speech

    • The expectation to speak fluently leads to anxiety and self-constriction, with many feeling that their worth is tied to how smoothly they speak.

  4. Lack of Societal Awareness and Acceptance

    • Most listeners may not know how to respond to stuttering without inadvertently making the speaker uncomfortable or drawing unwanted attention to their difference.

  5. Absence of Safe Environments for Practice and Acceptance

    • People who stutter often lack spaces where their speech is genuinely accepted, making progress difficult and perpetuating isolation.

  6. Impact on Career and Voice Representation

    • Stuttering is seen as a barrier to certain professions or speaking opportunities, causing exclusion from spaces where individuals’ voices deserve amplification.


Content Addressing These Challenges:


1. Challenge Stigma: Reframe Stuttering as Diversity, Not Defect

  • Share stories and examples that reposition stuttering as a manifestation of neurological diversity, akin to being left-handed, rather than a disorder.

  • Invoke evidence from world leaders (e.g., Joe Biden) and everyday professionals who stutter, emphasising capability beyond fluency.

  • Encourage conversations that highlight stuttering’s prevalence (1% globally), countering myths with facts and fostering broader acceptance.

2. Redefine Listening Norms: 'Patience as Allyship'

  • Educate listeners: True inclusion involves waiting patiently, maintaining eye contact, and listening without interruption or sentence completion.

  • Remind listeners that people who stutter do not need overt reassurance or pity—acceptance is shown through presence and patience, not performance.

3. Shift Focus from Perfection to Connection

  • Promote techniques grounded in psychology, such as Acceptance Commitment Therapy (ACT), which prioritise values and goals over speech perfection.

  • Provide practical guidance on speech techniques (e.g., the prolonged speech method), but frame them as choices for self-empowerment, not conformity.

4. Create Safe Spaces for Voice and Growth

  • Advocate for environments—therapeutic, professional, or communal—where stuttering is both heard and respected.

  • Support group sessions for people who stutter, allowing normalisation, peer support, and mutual encouragement.

5. Elevate Representation: Ensure All Voices Matter

  • Challenge gatekeeping in professional and social domains, highlighting the right and value of diverse voices in leadership, advocacy, and creative work.

  • Encourage listeners who stutter to share their stories weekly (as suggested by James Burden), making authenticity a core tenet of inclusion.

6. Support Early Intervention and Parent Education

  • Refer parents and educators to modern approaches such as Palin Parent-Child Interaction therapy, which reinforce open communication and acceptance from an early age.

  • Emphasise the distinction between typical disfluency and persistent stuttering, advising on non-judgemental, supportive dialogue.


Actionable Takeaways:

  • For Individuals Who Stutter: Know that your voice, as it is, holds impact. Seek communities, resources, and techniques that centre your wellbeing—not simply fluency.

  • For Listeners and Colleagues: Practise patient, active listening; avoid correcting, interrupting, or showing visible impatience. Instead, give space for genuine communication.

  • For Leaders and Organisers: Audit organisational cultures for speech bias, and champion inclusive practices in meetings, recruitment, and events.

  • For Parents and Teachers: Openly discuss stuttering, remove ‘taboo’ silence, and model positive, normalized responses in all interactions.


Stuttering need not be synonymous with silence—when society moves beyond 'perfect' speech, we begin to hear what truly matters: authentic voices.

To dive deeper or access further support, you can connect directly with Joanne Lockwood via jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk, or listen in at Inclusion Bites Podcast.

Questions Asked that were insightful

Absolutely—several exchanges in this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, “Stuttering Without Apology”, could be distilled into an FAQ series, each anchored by thought-provoking questions and rich, actionable insights provided during the discussion. Here’s a selection of potential FAQs suitable for your audience, crafted directly from the transcript:


Frequently Asked Questions Based on Stuttering Without Apology

1. What is the root cause of stuttering? Is it trauma, a developmental difference, or something else?
The episode addressed this directly, noting that despite significant research, no singular cause has been determined. Stuttering is thought to be a form of neurodivergence present across cultures and not necessarily linked to trauma or developmental delays. It’s a normal variant of human speech diversity.

2. Does stuttering manifest differently across languages and cultures?
Yes, stuttering occurs in all languages and cultures, though the specific sounds or words that trigger stuttering may differ based on previous experience and personal associations, not linguistic structures themselves.

3. How should I respond when someone stutters during a conversation?
Listeners received a clear, practical answer: do not interrupt, do not complete sentences, and above all, be patient and maintain normal eye contact. Accept stuttering as a natural form of speech rather than an error.

4. Is it helpful to talk to children about their stutter, or should it be ignored?
The guidance was insightful: Avoiding the topic creates stigma and shame. Parents are encouraged to gently acknowledge and support their children, creating an open and accepting dialogue.

5. What are the most effective techniques for managing or reducing stuttering?
Prolonged speech methods, such as the Camperdown Programme, are evidence-based and help individuals develop fluent, natural speech through gradual practice. Equally important is an acceptance-based mindset, fostering self-worth regardless of fluency.

6. Can stuttering be shamed or exacerbated by societal reactions?
Absolutely. The conversation highlighted that the greatest stigma often comes from internalised shame, driven by experiences of judgement, secrecy, and silence. Reducing stigma and shame is as important as speech therapy itself.

7. Is there any difference between ‘stammer’ and ‘stutter’?
The terms are regionally distinct—‘stammer’ is used in the UK, while ‘stutter’ is used in North America. Both refer to the same phenomenon.

8. Do common speech fillers like “um” and “ah” relate to stuttering? Can the same techniques help?
Natural speech artefacts, such as fillers and repeated words, are common to all speakers and not exclusive to stuttering. Some fluency techniques, such as pausing and slowing down, can help, but underlying causes and strategies may differ.

9. How can adults who stutter stop self-limiting and take opportunities in professional or social contexts?
A combination of mindset work (reducing shame, accepting imperfection) and gradual exposure to challenging speaking situations empowers individuals to pursue ambitions without being controlled by the fear of stuttering.

10. What resources are available for people seeking support for stuttering?
James encouraged listeners to watch his free masterclass and to reach out for a no-pressure conversation. There are also established programmes, such as the Palin Parent-Child Interaction method for children, and community resources for adults.


Each of these FAQs captures a key moment in the interview, reflecting the podcast’s call to challenge stigma, promote belonging, and offer genuinely practical advice for listeners living with or supporting those with diverse speech patterns.

Blog article based on the episode

Stuttering Without Apology: Redefining Speech, Inclusion, and Confidence

What if every time you spoke, a part of you wondered whether you truly belonged? For millions living with a stutter or speech difference, this is a daily experience. Yet, picture walking into an environment where what sets you apart is not your silence, but your undeniable strength. This is the heart of Episode 179 of the Inclusion Bites Podcast—“Stuttering Without Apology”—featuring James Burden, a visionary speech language pathologist, whose work passionately advocates for people who stutter to lead and connect authentically, reframing stuttering as a source of power, not shame.

The Invisible Barrier: Stuttering and Societal Stigma

Speech disfluency, commonly known as stuttering or stammering (as it’s referred to in the UK), touches roughly 1% of the global population. Yet, as James Burden highlights, most of those affected go unseen—their voices muted by a culture that has yet to embrace difference. Stuttering, unlike what many presume, is not the result of trauma, cognitive impairment, or inferior intelligence. Decades of scientific research, Burden explained, now suggest stuttering is a manifestation of natural neurodiversity. It crosses every linguistic and cultural boundary—a powerful reminder that difference is intrinsic to human experience.

But why, then, is stuttering still shrouded in stigma, secrecy and self-judgement? A potent answer lies in our collective misunderstanding and the silence that surrounds difference in speech. From mocking jibes in the classroom to subtle exclusion in the boardroom, the social cost of stuttering manifests as avoidance: people sidestep job interviews, refrain from public speaking, and often shape their life and career choices to avoid risk of embarrassment or ridicule. Such external barriers, compounded by internalised shame, perpetuate a cycle of isolation and missed opportunities.

Challenging Myths and Melting the Iceberg

Joanne Lockwood, the host and inclusion trailblazer, steers the conversation into actionable territory: how do we move from shame to acceptance, and what does real inclusion in speech look like? Burden introduces the concept of the “stuttering iceberg”—borrowed from Joseph Sheehan. The observable stutter (the “tip”) represents only a fraction of the lived experience; beneath the surface lies pervasive thoughts, bruised self-esteem, and all-consuming anxiety around being “broken”.

Actionable strategies, then, must go deeper than speech mechanics. According to Burden, effective support integrates acceptance commitment therapy with advanced speech techniques. These focus on values-based goal setting: placing significance on life ambitions rather than relentless avoidance of disfluency. In effect, instead of believing “I must fix my speech to be enough,” the shift is to “I am enough, and can pursue fulfilling communication”.

Practical Guidance for Listeners and Conversational Partners

But what about those on the other side of the conversation? Burden’s advice is refreshingly clear. The golden rules when listening to someone who stammers:

  • Do not interrupt or complete sentences. Allow them time to finish their thought.

  • Be patient and maintain eye contact. A calm, attentive presence can be transformative.

  • Detach from feeling sorry or benevolent. Stuttering is not synonymous with incapacity. Listen as you would to anyone else, without drawing unnecessary attention to their speech pattern.

  • For children, address rather than avoid. Silence breeds stigma. Engage openly if your child begins to stutter—using positive reinforcement rather than correction. Tools like the Palin Parent-Child Interaction method (rooted in UK research) enable supportive environments without imposing pressure.

Most crucially, listeners should challenge their own biases—remembering, as Burden and Lockwood both underscore, that stuttering is simply one way of speaking. It is not a flaw, but a facet of neurodiversity.

Techniques for More Confident Communication

For those living with stuttering, what practical steps foster improvement—and, more importantly, empowerment?

  1. Prolonged Speech Methods: Programmes such as Camperdown (originally developed in Australia) guide individuals through slow, connected speech, gradually building fluency.

  2. Practice with Acceptance: Begin not with a view to “eradicate” stuttering, but to build ease and confidence in key speaking situations—whether introducing yourself, networking, or presenting publicly.

  3. Track Mindset and Progress: Burden’s clients regularly chart their feelings around speech events, revealing that mindset shifts often precede visible changes in fluency.

  4. Incremental Exposure: Build comfort by starting with supportive friends and family, progressing to wider social circles and larger groups.

  5. Connect with Others: Shared lived experience fosters normalisation. Seeing and hearing others who stutter reduces self-judgement and reframes speech difference as perfectly ordinary.

Embracing Real Human Speech: Beyond Perfection

What may surprise many is how common so-called “speech artefacts” are. Filler words, pauses and repetitions are universal—even among professional speakers. Stuttering exists on a continuum, and, as Lockwood observes, audiences rarely judge as harshly as speakers fear. The illusion of “perfect speech” is just that—illusory. The podcast draws a stirring analogy: in pictures, people instinctively seek themselves first, seldom scrutinising others. The same holds true for speech—people are focused less on individual disfluencies and more on the overall meaning and connection.

Your Voice Matters—A Call to Action

As Burden powerfully states: “People are out there who need to hear your voice. Not a polished version. Not a perfect version. The real you.” For those living with a stutter, the call is not simply to speak, but to do so unapologetically. Set a weekly challenge—share your story with one person, one group, or one platform. Rejection of shame breeds resilience, and your voice carries unique perspective the world needs.

For allies: cultivate truly inclusive spaces. Don’t just listen—challenge stereotypes, confront stigma, and foster environments where speech difference is met with curiosity and respect.

Inspired by James Burden and ‘Stuttering Without Apology’, the mandate is clear: inclusion starts with acceptance, and transformative change happens when every voice is valued.

Listen to the full conversation at Inclusion Bites Podcast and reach out to Joanne Lockwood at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk to join the conversation or share your story. Whether stammering or fluent, your contribution is vital in shaping a more inclusive world—one bite at a time.

#InclusionBites #StutteringWithoutApology #StammeringAwareness #PositivePeopleExperiences

The standout line from this episode

The standout line from this episode is:

"People are out there who need to hear your voice. Not a polished version, not a perfect version. The real you."

❓ Questions

Certainly! Here are 10 discussion questions inspired by the episode "Stuttering Without Apology" of the Inclusion Bites Podcast, hosted by Joanne Lockwood and featuring James Burden:

  1. How does viewing stuttering as a neurodivergence, rather than a disorder, shift our approach to inclusion and belonging in society?

  2. What role does shame play in the lived experience of people who stutter, and how can communities work to dismantle this stigma?

  3. James Burden shared the concept of the “stuttering iceberg.” In what ways do the unseen, internalised aspects of stuttering impact one’s professional and personal life?

  4. How can speech therapy techniques, such as the prolonged speech method and Camperdown Programme, be delivered in an inclusive manner that reinforces a person's sense of self-worth?

  5. What practical advice did the episode offer for listeners who want to communicate respectfully with someone who stutters? How can we avoid well-meaning but harmful behaviour?

  6. The conversation highlighted how people who stutter may limit themselves professionally due to internalised stigma. What strategies might help break this cycle of self-exclusion?

  7. Michael Palin’s impact on stuttering advocacy was discussed. What is the importance of representation and allyship in changing societal perceptions of speech differences?

  8. Both Joanne and James reflected on their personal experiences with speech artefacts and public speaking anxieties. How can sharing vulnerability deconstruct the myth of “perfect” speech?

  9. In what ways can speech therapy for young children differ from approaches for adults, and why is early intervention important for reducing stigma and fostering acceptance?

  10. James concluded with the powerful message: “People are out there who need to hear your voice – not a polished version, but the real you.” How can platforms, workplaces, and social spaces amplify authentic voices and celebrate linguistic diversity?

These questions invite reflection on speech, stigma, inclusion, and the power of narrative as catalysed by Joanne and James’s dialogue.

FAQs from the Episode

Frequently Asked Questions: Stuttering Without Apology — Inclusion Bites Podcast


1. What is stuttering and how is it viewed in society?
Stuttering, also known as stammering (particularly in the UK), is a speech difference where the natural flow of speech is disrupted by involuntary repetitions, prolongations, or blocks. The podcast emphasises that stuttering is not a sign of lower intelligence or a disease, but a natural neurodivergence affecting around 1% of the global population. Social stigma and shame often accompany stuttering due to misconceptions and negative judgement, but the episode advocates viewing it as a valid way of speaking rather than a defect.

2. Are stuttering and stammering the same thing?
Yes. The terms are used interchangeably, with ‘stammer’ being more common in UK English and ‘stutter’ in North American English. Both describe the same speech phenomenon.

3. What causes stuttering?
The root cause of stuttering remains unknown, despite significant research. Contemporary thought, as discussed in the episode, leans towards stuttering being a form of neurodivergence rather than the product of trauma or developmental deficits. It appears in every culture at roughly the same rate and is slightly more common among men than women, which might be related to social pressures and reporting differences.

4. How can stuttering affect someone's social and professional life?
Stuttering can lead to self-consciousness, avoidance of public speaking, and withdrawal from important opportunities such as job interviews or critical conversations. This is driven not only by external judgement but also by internalised shame and self-criticism, fostering a sense of ‘brokenness’ and exclusion. Challenging these beliefs and myths is a key part of reclaiming confidence for those who stutter.

5. What should I do when someone stutters in conversation?
The most supportive action is to listen patiently and refrain from interrupting or finishing their sentences. The episode stresses the importance of treating stuttering as a valid speech difference and maintaining genuine attention without drawing undue focus on the stutter itself. The underlying message is to accept and normalise stuttering as part of human diversity.

6. Can stuttering be reduced, and if so, how?
Yes, techniques exist to help individuals who wish to speak more fluently. The prolonged speech method and the Camperdown Programme, both referenced in the episode, are evidence-based approaches involving slow, connected, and deliberate speech to build muscle memory and confidence in fluent speaking. These methods are most successful when combined with acceptance and mindset work that helps individuals see themselves as ‘enough’ before striving for fluency.

7. Is it harmful to point out or make jokes about someone’s stuttering?
Absolutely. Remarks such as “Did you forget your name?” are deeply hurtful and reinforce stigma. The episode highlights how even well-meaning comments can exacerbate shame and avoidance, especially for individuals who are sensitive to their speech due to previous negative experiences.

8. Are speech filler words like “um” and “ah” related to stuttering?
Filler words are common to all speakers and serve as cognitive ‘thinking time’ rather than evidence of a speech disorder. However, some people who stutter may use fillers to mask anticipated stuttering moments. Both phenomena are natural, but only persistent, involuntary disruptions are classified as stuttering.

9. Should parents discuss stuttering with their child?
Yes. Avoiding the topic can create a sense of taboo and shame. Open, supportive conversation about stuttering helps demystify the experience and normalises it, especially since developmental stuttering in children often resolves naturally. The episode references approaches such as the Palin Parent Child Interaction (PCI) Therapy, which fosters positive, non-judgemental communication.

10. What is the role of mindset in stuttering?
Mindset is crucial. Negative beliefs and internalised stigma directly impact speech confidence and fluency. Methods such as Acceptance Commitment Therapy (ACT), discussed in the episode, encourage individuals to reframe their values—prioritising participation and self-worth over perfect fluency. This shift leads to greater social engagement and less avoidance.

11. What resources and support are available for adults who stutter?
James Burden, guest expert and founder of Stuttering Blueprint, offers masterclasses and one-on-one support for professionals, entrepreneurs, and anyone seeking to lead with confidence. The episode underscores the value of safe spaces and peer support, where individuals can connect with others who stutter without judgment.

12. How can I contact James Burden for further guidance or support?
James can be reached via his masterclass page (link provided in the episode), LinkedIn, and the Stuttering Blueprint on Facebook and Instagram. The podcast notes that calls are free and pressure-free, focusing on genuine support rather than sales.

13. How can I get involved with the Inclusion Bites Podcast or share feedback?
Listeners are encouraged to reach out to Joanne Lockwood at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk. Links to the podcast, show notes, and networking opportunities are available at https://seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen.


For further insight, actionable strategies, or to hear more inclusive real-life stories, tune in to the Inclusion Bites Podcast and join the conversation.

Tell me more about the guest and their views

Certainly. The guest for this episode of Inclusion Bites Podcast, titled "Stuttering Without Apology," is James Burden. James is a speech language pathologist and founder of Stuttering Blueprint, a platform dedicated to empowering professionals who stutter to lead with confidence and connect without compromise.

James’s philosophy is resolutely progressive and inclusive. He positions stuttering not as a deficit or disorder, but as a natural variation of human speech—a form of neurodivergence akin to traits such as left-handedness, ADHD, or autism. He argues that the primary challenge faced by people who stutter is rooted in social stigma, shame, and the pressure to conform to an arbitrary notion of “perfection” in speech, rather than any inherent failing or medical issue.

Key aspects of James’s views:

1. Reframing Stuttering:
He advocates for stuttering to be seen as a source of strength rather than as a silence-inducing weakness. The importance, according to James, lies in creating safe spaces where stuttering is normalised and accepted—free of judgement or unwanted “fixing.” He firmly rejects the idea that fluency is a prerequisite for being “enough” as a speaker or professional.

2. The Stuttering Iceberg:
James adopts Joseph Sheehan's "stuttering iceberg" model: what you hear—repetitions, blocks—is only the tip, while the bulk lies beneath the surface in the form of negative thoughts, feelings, self-judgement, and stigma-induced avoidance. He asserts that therapy and support must address this emotional and psychological underlayer, not merely the observable behaviours.

3. De-mythologising Root Causes:
He dispels the myth that stuttering has a simple cause—whether trauma or developmental disruption—citing recent consensus in the field that stuttering is a neurodivergent trait and occurs at consistent rates across cultures and languages. This universality, in his view, underscores the need for proper societal inclusion.

4. Practical Support and Techniques:
James’s preferred technique involves “prolonged speech” methods such as the Camperdown Programme, which teach clients to slow down their speech, maintain vocal flow, and gradually increase natural pace. Such techniques foster fluency but, critically, are introduced from a foundation of self-acceptance—not shame or aspiration to unattainable perfection.

5. Social Inclusion and Acceptance:
He challenges listeners—particularly those in positions of power or influence—to avoid “helpful” interventions that undermine autonomy, such as sentence completion or overt pity. Instead, he urges patience, respectful listening, and an environment where individuals are not defined by their disfluency.

6. Empowerment through Mindset:
James blends acceptance commitment therapy principles into his work, guiding clients to focus on values and priorities beyond mere speech fluency—such as career advancement, relationship-building, and authentic self-expression. The overarching message is that progress arises from feeling accepted and valued, which in turn reduces the pressure and frequency of stuttering.

Call to Action
James encourages everyone—especially adults who stutter—to share their authentic voice without apology, noting that people’s narratives carry value regardless of polish or “perfection.”

His overall stance is deeply aligned with the ethos of the Inclusion Bites Podcast: challenging fixed norms, dismantling shame, and fostering genuine belonging. James’s approach is rigorous, evidence-based, and compassionately human—a call for both systemic change and personal empowerment.

Ideas for Future Training and Workshops based on this Episode

Certainly! Drawing inspiration from the “Stuttering Without Apology” episode of the Inclusion Bites Podcast, here are a series of thoughtfully curated ideas for future training and workshops. Each programme reflects the holistic, human-centred approach towards stuttering, inclusion, and speech confidence demonstrated by James Burden and Joanne Lockwood.


1. Unmasking Stigma: Creating Inclusive Spaces for Speech Differences

  • Focus: Understanding societal perceptions of stuttering, exploring neurodiversity, and challenging stigma within the workplace and educational settings.

  • Key Activities: Interactive forums, myth-busting panels, role-play scenarios where participants experience speaking with disfluencies, and discussions on shame, secrecy, and judgment (referencing Brene Brown’s research as discussed on the podcast).

  • Outcomes: Develop empathy, better communication etiquette, and build confidence to advocate for fair treatment in professional or social environments.


2. The Stuttering Iceberg: Melting Barriers Below the Surface

  • Focus: The Joseph Sheehan “Stuttering Iceberg” model—addressing the emotional, psychological, and behavioural layers beneath evident disfluencies.

  • Key Activities: Small group work identifying personal beliefs and fears, workshops on acceptance and self-compassion, and structured reflection on internalised stigma.

  • Outcomes: Empower participants to reframe their mindset, shifting from “fixing” stuttering to leveraging self-acceptance.


3. Professional Communication Skills for Neurodivergent Voices

  • Focus: Equipping professionals who stutter—and neurodivergent communicators more broadly—with practical, evidence-based techniques for fluent and confident speech.

  • Key Activities: Training in prolonged speech methods (e.g. Camperdown programme), guided vocal exercises, strategies for public speaking and presentations, and personal resilience coaching.

  • Outcomes: Tangible improvements in communication, self-advocacy skills, and strategies for thriving in the workplace.


4. Active Listening and Allyship for Speech Differences

  • Focus: Training managers, colleagues, educators, and frontline staff to listen supportively and respectfully to people who stutter.

  • Key Activities: Scenario-based peer exercises, what-not-to-do guidance (e.g. avoiding sentence completion, interruptions), developing the ‘right listening face’, and addressing unconscious bias.

  • Outcomes: Enhanced listening skills, improved workplace inclusion, and structured action plans for allyship.


5. Parent & Carer Workshops: Supporting Young People Who Stutter

  • Focus: Guidance for parents/carers, drawing from the Palin Parent Child Interaction model and current inclusive best practice.

  • Key Activities: Play-based communication exercises, role-play for supporting children’s confidence, open discussions about language and disfluency at home, and tools to avoid harmful silence or secrecy.

  • Outcomes: Empowerment to foster acceptance and resilience at home, reducing transmission of harmful stigma.


6. Visibility and Stories: Empowering Self-Expression for People Who Stutter

  • Focus: Practical media and storytelling workshops that encourage participants to share their lived experiences in their authentic voice, as encouraged by James Burden’s closing call to action.

  • Key Activities: Group storytelling sessions, creative writing, podcast creation, and digital self-advocacy.

  • Outcomes: Building confidence to speak publicly, influence narratives, and become role models for inclusion.


7. Mindset Reset: Mindfulness and ACT for Speech Confidence

  • Focus: Training in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT), mindfulness practices, and techniques to reduce cognitive load and anxiety.

  • Key Activities: Guided meditation, ACT-based values exercises, coping strategies for high-pressure speaking, managing internal narratives.

  • Outcomes: Improved wellbeing, emotional regulation, and ability to prioritise meaningful goals over avoidance.


8. Inclusive Recruitment and Interviewing for Applicants With Speech Differences

  • Focus: Training recruiters and hiring managers to adapt processes fairly for candidates who stammer/stutter.

  • Key Activities: Inclusive job interview workshops, reasonable adjustments guidance, mock interview simulations.

  • Outcomes: Reduced bias, fairer opportunities, and increased diversity in professional settings.


All workshops can be delivered virtually or in-person and tailored for diverse audiences—corporates, educational settings, community groups, or individuals. For further detail or bespoke programme design, contact Joanne Lockwood directly at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk. Discover more at Inclusion Bites.


These ideas draw entirely from the episode’s transcript and embrace the ethos of creating nurturing environments in which everyone’s voice—however it manifests—is valued. Which idea speaks to you most, or is there a particular audience or challenge you’d like to address?

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  1. How do we move from silencing stuttering to valuing it as strength? Empowering environments transform speech differences from shame to pride. Every voice deserves the space to exist, exactly as it is. Inclusion starts with listening, not fixing.

  2. Stuttering isn't a flaw to be hidden. It’s simply a different way of talking—a normal part of being human. When we accept this, we break the myth that fluency equals worth. True belonging welcomes every sound, pause, and repetition.

  3. Ever caught yourself filling the silence when someone struggles to speak? Real inclusion is holding space—letting sentences unfold at their pace. It’s patience, acceptance, and refusing to rush or complete for them. Waiting is powerful.

  4. Shame thrives on secrecy and judgement, especially with stammering. Let’s swap self-critique for self-kindness. When we melt our own internalised stigma, we challenge the world’s. Your authentic voice matters far more than perfection.

  5. Next time you worry about “sounding perfect”, remember: most people are thinking about themselves, not your stumble. Embrace the pauses, quirks, and hesitations—what you say is more important than how you say it. Your voice truly matters.

Leadership Insights - YouTube Short Video Script on Common Problems for Leaders to Address

Leadership Insights Channel – YouTube Short Script

Struggling to lead team members with different communication styles? Here’s the challenge: many leaders unintentionally undermine inclusion by interrupting, rushing, or finishing sentences for colleagues who speak more slowly or with a speech difference, such as stuttering.

The solution starts with conscious patience. When you're engaging with someone who stutters or takes longer to express themselves, simply pause and listen. Avoid interrupting, don’t complete their sentences, and resist fixing them. Instead, maintain natural eye contact and focus on the message, not how it’s delivered.

Remind yourself: fluency is not a measure of intelligence or ability. When you accept natural variation in speech, you remove shame and pressure—not just for them, but across your whole team. This creates a safe environment where everyone feels heard.

So, as a leader, be the role model. Listen fully, be patient, and embrace difference. That’s how you build true belonging—and unlock your team’s potential.

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Subject: Tuning In: Stuttering Without Apology – Lessons in Belonging from Inclusion Bites 🎧

Hello there, Inclusion Bites family!

Are you ready for another conversation that challenges and uplifts? This week’s episode, “Stuttering Without Apology,” is a refreshing dive into the world of speech, confidence, and being unapologetically yourself. Joanne Lockwood welcomes James Burden—speech language pathologist and founder of Stuttering Blueprint—who’s on a mission to empower professionals who stutter and help all of us rethink what it means to truly belong.

Here's what you’ll takeaway by tuning in:

1. Rethinking Stuttering: You’ll learn that stuttering isn’t a problem to be “fixed.” Instead, it’s a unique way of speaking—just as valid and meaningful as any other—and one that doesn’t define a person’s intelligence or abilities.

2. The Power of Acceptance: James shares how creating safe, non-judgemental spaces—where stuttering is accepted—can turn shame into strength. Acceptance is more powerful than any quick-fix technique.

3. Melting the “Stuttering Iceberg”: Delve into the emotional layers beneath visible speech challenges—self-judgement, internalisation, and stigma—and discover why, for so many, the greatest obstacle isn’t speaking itself, but what lies beneath.

4. Practical Tips for Listeners: Ever wondered how to support someone who stutters? Simple acts like patience, eye contact, and refraining from finishing their sentences are more helpful than you think.

5. Mindset Shifts for Everyone: Whether you stammer, stumble over your words, or simply get nervous speaking, this episode is packed with insights on overcoming self-doubt, developing resilience, and recognising that nobody is listening as closely to your imperfections as you are!

Unique Fact of the Episode:
Did you know that Michael Palin, of Monty Python fame, was so moved after portraying a character who stuttered that he went on to create the world-renowned Palin Centre for Stammering in the UK? Proof that the right kind of feedback, even when uncomfortable, can spark real change.

Ready to Dive In?
Have a listen to “Stuttering Without Apology” now, and let’s melt some of those conversational icebergs together: Inclusion Bites Podcast – Listen Here.

Feeling inspired or moved by what you’ve heard? James encourages everyone—especially those who stutter—to share your true voice with the world. Don’t wait for “perfect”. The world needs the real you.

Get Involved
We love hearing your reflections, stories, and lightbulb moments. Reach out directly to Joanne at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk and become part of the Inclusion Bites movement.

Let’s create spaces where everyone, no matter how they speak, is not only included—but celebrated. Plug in, share with a friend, and join us as we keep turning these bold conversations into everyday change.

See you on the next bite!

Warm wishes,
The Inclusion Bites Podcast Team

#InclusionBites #StutteringWithoutApology #BelongingMatters

Potted Summary

Episode Summary

In this episode of Inclusion Bites, “Stuttering Without Apology,” host Joanne Lockwood welcomes James Burden, a speech language pathologist and founder of Stuttering Blueprint. Together, they dismantle the stigma surrounding stuttering, explore its neurodivergent roots, and discuss how acceptance, mindset, and practical techniques can empower individuals to communicate with confidence. The conversation champions authentic voices and urges society to discard the pressure of linguistic “perfection” in pursuit of deeper connection and real inclusion.


In this conversation we discuss

👉 Stigma & Mindset
👉 Acceptance & Techniques
👉 Inclusion & Advocacy


Here are a few of our favourite quotable moments

  • “People are out there who need to hear your voice. Not a polished version, not a perfect version. The real you.”

  • “Let’s make it easier to speak rather than let’s fix you...because I don’t believe that stuttering makes someone not okay.”

  • “Shame is a big, heavy word. And when she talks to be like a shame researcher, who wants to talk about that? Nobody. Right. And so I’m going to go there when it comes to stuttering...”


Episode Call to Action

Join Joanne and James as they challenge perceptions, share practical tools, and inspire the celebration of every voice. Whether you stutter or simply champion inclusion, this episode offers insights for all. Ready to reframe your thinking and spark change? Listen now and become part of the Inclusion Bites movement: https://seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen.

LinkedIn Poll

Opening Summary

Stuttering affects around 1% of the global population—yet the stigma, misconceptions, and self-judgement surrounding it often have a far greater impact than the speech difference itself. In Episode 179 of the Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood and guest James Burden delve into the human experience of stuttering, exploring both the practical techniques for fluency and the critical importance of acceptance, mindset, and inclusion in the workplace and wider society. As listeners, how do we best support those who stutter, foster belonging, and challenge long-held biases? This poll draws directly from their powerful conversation.

Poll Question

What’s the BEST way to support someone who stutters in conversation?
#InclusionBites #StutteringWithoutApology #BelongingMatters #DiversityChampion

Poll Options

1️⃣ Wait patiently 🕰️
2️⃣ Don’t finish sentences 🙅‍♂️
3️⃣ Listen without judgement 👂
4️⃣ Accept differences 👍

Closing (Why Vote)

Your response helps raise awareness and shape more inclusive conversations in work and beyond. Share your perspective and let’s drive positive change—one interaction at a time!

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Just listened to "Stuttering Without Apology" on the Inclusion Bites Podcast with Joanne Lockwood and James Burden 💬✨

Absolutely essential for every HR, Senior Leader, and EDI professional.

We talk a lot about psychological safety and belonging—but how often do we consider speech differences like stuttering? This episode digs into the stigma, the hidden iceberg of shame, and what real inclusion looks like when we stop trying to "fix" people, and start seeing their unique strengths instead. 🔍💡

James’ insights challenge us to rethink how we support colleagues who stutter (or have other communication differences). If we want to create cultures where EVERYONE thrives, we must tackle these silent barriers, update our listening habits, and address workplace bias head-on. 🌱🔊

Truly resonated with the idea that perfection isn’t the goal—inclusion is. Our workplaces are richer when we make space for every voice, unfiltered and unapologetic.

Highly recommend to anyone striving to lead truly inclusive teams or champion positive change in your organisation. This is the future of belonging. 👏🚀

#InclusionBites #EDI #HRLeaders #Neurodiversity #StutteringMatters #SeeChangeHappen

L&D Insights

Certainly! Here’s a concise Learning & Development summary tailored for Senior Leaders, HR, and EDI professionals based on the episode “Stuttering Without Apology” from the Inclusion Bites Podcast with Joanne Lockwood and guest James Burden:


Key Insights for Leaders & EDI Professionals

1. The Lived Experience of Stuttering:
James Burden reframes stuttering as a form of neurodivergence, not a disorder or deficiency. Rather than seeking to “fix” individuals, the conversation highlights the imperative to create environments where stuttering is met with acceptance, not stigma.
Aha Moment:
🚦 Stuttering happens across cultures and languages at similar rates. It is a normal part of human variance—much like being left-handed or neurodivergent.

2. Impact of Societal Stigma:
The episode unmasks the hidden layers beneath stuttering—shame, secrecy, and self-judgement (the “iceberg” model). The deepest harm comes not from the speech difference itself, but from how individuals internalise exclusion and bias.
Aha Moment:
❄️ Shame acts like “poop in the pool”—even the smallest amount contaminates the whole experience and deters participation.

3. What Inclusion Really Means in Communication:
Listeners are encouraged to challenge the definition of “perfect speech.” Small pauses and disfluency (ums, ahs, repetition) are natural. The stuttering community can lead broader inclusion efforts by showing fluency should not be a gatekeeper to opportunity or respect.
Aha Moment:
🙌 Removing pressure for perfection enables authentic participation and unleashes latent talent.

4. Practical Inclusion Actions:

  • Do not interrupt, “help out”, or finish sentences for someone who stutters.

  • Be patient, maintain normal eye contact, and do not apologise or draw artificial attention.

  • Talk openly but respectfully with children about stuttering; don’t leave it as the “elephant in the room.”

  • Recognise your own unconscious biases regarding speech norms, especially when considering candidates for leadership, customer-facing, or public speaking roles.

Recommendations for Practice

✅ Review Hiring and Promotion Practices:
Audit for unconscious speech bias, especially in job interviews and leadership development programmes.

✅ Foster Safe Spaces:
Train teams to allow genuine, unhurried exchanges. Share the message widely—fluency is not a prerequisite for contribution.

✅ Champion Voice Diversity:
Bring lived experience into employee networks and ERGs; invite stuttering advocates and neurodivergent voices into discussion.

✅ Provide L&D Resources:
Signpost masterclasses like James Burden’s, which tackle both technique and mindset. Create clear pathways for dialogue and support—individuals must opt in, not be coerced.

✅ Actively Deconstruct Shame:
Shift communications and speaker training in your organisation from “how to sound polished” to “how to be heard authentically.”


Social Media Hashtags & Emoji Summary

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In summary:
Top leaders and EDI professionals must move beyond surface-level inclusion to address linguistic bias, tackle the root shame, and make workplaces truly accessible—even for “imperfect” speech. The lived experiences uncovered in this episode can transform your view of belonging, making space for every kind of voice.


Glossary of Terms and Phrases
# Uncommon Concepts and Terminology from "Stuttering Without Apology" (Inclusion Bites Podcast, Episode 179)

The following list captures words and phrases discussed or used in this episode that are conceptually significant but not commonly found in everyday conversation. Each is defined as contextually implied or explicitly described during the podcast:

- **Speech Language Pathologist**  
  A clinical professional specialising in diagnosing and treating speech, language, communication, and swallowing disorders.

- **Stuttering Blueprint**  
  The name of James Burden’s coaching programme, focused on empowering professionals who stutter to speak with confidence and authenticity.

- **Prolonged Speech Method**  
  A therapeutic technique for stuttering that entails slowing down speech, making words flow more smoothly, with gradual speed increases for naturalness.

- **Camperdown Program**  
  A stuttering intervention originating from Australia, which uses the prolonged speech method in a structured, stepwise manner, adaptable to online formats.

- **Neurodivergence / Neurodiverse Angle**  
  The concept that stuttering is a natural variation in human neurodevelopment, akin to other conditions such as ADHD or autism, rather than a disorder.

- **Stuttering Iceberg (Joseph Sheehan's Model)**  
  A metaphor describing how the overt stutter is merely the "tip" visible to others; underlying it is a mass of hidden emotions, beliefs, avoidance behaviours, and internalised stigma.

- **Acceptance Commitment Therapy (ACT)**  
  A psychological approach referenced by James, focusing on non-judgemental self-observation, value-based living, and self-kindness; used here to help stutterers shift away from shame.

- **Palin Parent Child Interaction (Palin PCI)**  
  A therapy model for young children who stutter, founded by Michael Palin. It involves strategies for parental interaction, such as play-based commentary rather than direct questioning.

- **Speech Artefacts**  
  Elements of spoken communication such as filler words ("ums", "ahs"), word repetitions, and disfluency, which are not considered stuttering but may be related or overlapped.

- **Cluttering**  
  A relatively rare fluency disorder, distinct from stuttering, characterised by rapid, irregular speech with word blending and omission.

- **Masking (in context of stuttering)**  
  The act of hiding or compensating for stuttering or disfluency in order to conform to societal norms.

- **Denormalization (opposite of Normalisation)**  
  Describes how societal attitudes mark certain speech patterns (like stuttering) as ‘abnormal’, resulting in exclusion or unfair treatment.

- **Self-fulfilling Prophecy (regarding stuttering)**  
  The tendency for anxious anticipation of a stutter to cause increased tension, making a stuttering event more likely.

- **Speech Motor Planning**  
  The complex neurological process that coordinates the movements of lips, tongue, jaw, and vocal folds for fluent speech.

- **Micro-trauma (in speech context)**  
  Small, repeated negative experiences, such as being teased or corrected for stuttering, which accumulate and cause a significant psychological impact over time.

- **Flowy Speech / Connected Speech**  
  A therapeutic goal where words are smoothly and continuously linked, reducing the ‘blocky’ starts and stops common in stuttering.

- **Stigma Around Stuttering**  
  The negative societal judgement and shame attached to speech differences, often resulting in self-criticism and avoidance behaviours.

- **Speech Disfluency**  
  Broad term for interruptions in the flow of speech, including both typical pauses, repetitions and stuttering.

- **Patient Listener Techniques**  
  Approaches for conversation partners, such as not interrupting or finishing sentences for someone who stutters, and maintaining comfortable body language.

This episode also situates these concepts within the broader framework of mental health, inclusion, and societal transformation, emphasising the impact of stigma, myths, and self-acceptance.
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Summary of the Episode Optimised Around "Stuttering Without Apology" (1000 words):

In this transformative episode of Inclusion Bites, I, Joanne Lockwood, am joined by James Burden, a dynamic speech language pathologist and the founder of Stuttering Blueprint. Together we embark on a bold conversation titled "Stuttering Without Apology", designed to challenge mainstream narratives around speech differences and create truly Positive People Experiences. James’s story underscores the power of culture change in shifting how we perceive, interact with, and include individuals who stutter—not as anomalies to be fixed, but as talented contributors whose voices deserve to be heard, just as they are.

We begin by demystifying stuttering, exploring its neurodivergence in the human experience, and debunking outdated myths. James articulates that stuttering is not a disorder or disease, but a natural variance in how people speak—a reality that spans cultures, languages, and genders. Throughout our conversation, I reflect on my own journey with speech artefacts, recognising how universal it is to feel self-conscious, anxious, or vulnerable when communicating in public. James shares personal anecdotes and professional insights illustrating how shame, stigma, and self-judgement can compound the challenges faced by people who stutter, often leading to harmful avoidance behaviours that restrict career opportunities and relationships.

What stands out profoundly is James’s commitment to culture change. He argues that making meaningful, lasting improvement for people who stutter requires more than clinical techniques; it demands a fundamental shift in mindset—replacing “fixing” with “accepting”, and shame with pride. James details his approach, rooted in Acceptance Commitment Therapy and prolonged speech methods, underscoring how mastery over one’s speech emerges from internalising acceptance and self-worth. While speech therapy offers technical tools to help manage stuttering, he emphasises that true empowerment comes from melting the ‘stuttering iceberg’—where the visible struggles are only a fraction of the deeper emotional cargo people carry.

Listeners will be encouraged to consider their own reactions and biases. What does it mean to be a ‘good listener’ for someone who stutters? How can we create environments, both socially and professionally, where stuttering is met with patience and understanding, rather than discomfort or unsolicited pity? James offers practical strategies for compassionate listening: resist the urge to interrupt, avoid completing sentences, and never draw unnecessary attention to someone’s speech. Instead, just be present and receptive—understanding that stuttering is not a sign of lower intelligence or lack of skill, but merely one variation in the rich tapestry of human communication.

We further explore societal impacts, such as the disproportionate pressure on men versus women, reporting disparities, and the roots of stuttering in childhood experiences, echoing the wisdom of Brene Brown regarding silence, secrecy, and judgement as breeding grounds for shame. The conversation delves into the role of culture change—how workplaces, schools, and families can foster inclusion by naming and addressing speech differences openly, rather than relegating them to taboo status. Drawing on examples like Michael Palin’s advocacy, James highlights best practices from global interventions, like the Palin Parent-Child Interaction therapy, showing the power of engagement and dialogue over secrecy.

Importantly, the episode empowers individuals who stutter to stop apologising for their voices. James’s message resonates: do not wait to speak until you are ‘fixed’. Instead, challenge yourself to share your story every week, valuing vulnerability and authenticity over perfection. The episode becomes a powerful testament to how Positive People Experiences are achievable—not by erasing differences, but by embracing them, celebrating every voice, and shifting organisational culture towards true inclusion.

Listeners will walk away with a renewed perspective on self-talk, resilience, and the value of narrative. You’ll gain actionable tools for listening, understanding, and supporting people who stutter, both emotionally and practically. Through candid discussion and expert guidance, we illuminate the path towards systemic culture change, where shame gives way to pride and avoidance transforms into participation.

Whether you stutter, know someone who does, or simply yearn for a workplace or community where every voice is valued, this episode provides a blueprint for action. Together, let’s ignite a broader conversation about inclusion, raise up those who have been silenced, and build a future marked by empathy, courage, and transformation. The journey starts here—by listening, learning, and refusing to apologise for our authentic voices.


Closing Summary & Call to Action (1000 words)

This episode, "Stuttering Without Apology," lays out a roadmap for listeners and organisations eager to create Positive People Experiences through genuine culture change. Here are the key learning points and actionable insights you can take forward:

  1. Understand Stuttering as Neurodivergence:

    • Stuttering is a natural variation in human speech, occurring equally across cultures and languages.

    • It is not a disease, disorder, or indicator of intelligence.

    • Recognise stuttering as part of neurodiversity and foster acceptance, not judgement.

  2. Shift from Shame to Empowerment:

    • Most damaging is the internalisation of stigma and shame.

    • Challenge silence, secrecy, and judgement—the roots of shame, as Brene Brown suggests.

    • Replace the urge to ‘fix’ stuttering with acceptance and support.

    • Practise self-compassion and empower others to do the same.

  3. Change Listening Behaviours:

    • Never interrupt or complete another’s sentences.

    • Avoid drawing unnecessary attention to someone’s stutter—just be present and patient.

    • Normalise taking extra seconds in conversation.

    • Practice attentive, empathetic listening in all settings.

  4. Recognise the Impact of Micro-traumas:

    • Childhood teasing, correction, and social pressure compound the experience and can lead to avoidance.

    • Families, schools, and workplaces must address stuttering openly, preventing an environment of taboo and silence.

  5. Embrace Practical Speech Strategies:

    • Techniques such as prolonged speech and Acceptance Commitment Therapy help build fluency from a foundation of acceptance.

    • Progress depends on consistent practice and a supportive setting rather than relentless pursuit of perfection.

    • Learn to pause, slow down, and let inflection develop naturally.

  6. Contribute to Culture Change:

    • Raise awareness in your spheres of influence—whether HR, D&I, education, or social groups.

    • Question stereotypes and disrupt assumptions about what is ‘normal’.

    • Model inclusivity to create ripple effects throughout your organisation.

  7. Use Stories to Challenge Stigma:

    • Encourage storytelling as a method for those who stutter to reclaim their narrative and build self-worth.

    • Challenge yourself and others to speak up regularly—create opportunities for every voice to be heard.

  8. Broaden your Definition of ‘Fluency’:

    • All humans use filler words, pause, and stumble over sounds—speech artefacts are natural.

    • Stop striving for a mythical standard of perfection; instead, value message over method.

  9. Practical Inclusion in the Workplace:

    • In recruitment, performance reviews, meetings, and presentations, pause to ensure space for everyone to contribute.

    • Review policies and training through an inclusion lens.

    • Use feedback mechanisms to learn about barriers and take concrete steps to address them.

  10. Advocate for Systemic Change:

    • Increase representation of people who stutter in leadership, media, and public platforms.

    • Push for language in policies and communications that is strengths-based, not deficit-focused.

    • Provide access to resources, coaching, and mental health supports.

  11. Reframe ‘Mistakes’ as Learning Opportunities:

    • Remove fear of embarrassment by normalising imperfection in communication.

    • Use mistakes as teachable moments to demonstrate resilience and adaptability.

  12. Support Early Intervention but Avoid Pathologising:

    • Openly address speech differences with children using evidence-based techniques, but never force silence.

    • Apply parent-child interaction strategies informed by the UK’s Palin Institute and other best practices.

By engaging with this episode and its actionable insights, you are joining a community of changemakers working for true culture change. Inclusion is not a tick-box, but a lived experience. Now is your opportunity to make a tangible difference:

  • For individuals who stutter: Access resources like James’s masterclass, embrace your authentic voice, and speak up weekly.

  • For allies and leaders: Model inclusive behaviours, advocate for policy change, and empower those in your network who need support.

  • For organisations: Embed inclusion in every layer—strategy, operations, culture—and measure your impact through the lived experiences of all team members.

As James so powerfully states, “People are out there who need to hear your voice. Not a polished version, not a perfect version. The real you.” This is the heart of Positive People Experiences and the north star for culture change.


Outro

Thank you, the listener, for tuning in to Inclusion Bites and joining myself, Joanne Lockwood, in championing Positive People Experiences and driving culture change. If this episode resonated with you, please like and subscribe to the channel—the conversation doesn’t end here. You can find more insightful episodes and resources at the SEE Change Happen website: https://seechangehappen.co.uk.

Listen to more Inclusion Bites episodes and join the movement towards real inclusion and belonging here: https://seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen.

Stay curious, stay kind, and stay inclusive – Joanne Lockwood

Root Cause Analyst - Why!

Certainly. As a Root Cause Analyst drawing directly from the episode "Stuttering Without Apology" on the Inclusion Bites Podcast (with guest James Burden and host Joanne Lockwood), let’s systematically break down a key problem discussed and reach its root causes, then offer solutions.

Key Problem Identified:
People who stutter experience exclusion, shame, and stigma, which adversely impact their confidence, participation in professional and social contexts, and their general wellbeing.

Let’s conduct a 5 Whys analysis:


1. Why do people who stutter experience exclusion, shame, and stigma?
Because stuttering is commonly viewed as an abnormality or deficiency by wider society, leading to prejudiced behaviours and attitudes.

2. Why is stuttering perceived as an abnormality or deficiency?
Societal norms and expectations equate fluent speech with competence, intelligence, and ‘normality’, while disfluent speech is stigmatised, often unconsciously.

3. Why do these associations persist in societal norms and expectations?
There is a lack of awareness, education and representation regarding stuttering; most people rarely encounter nuanced portrayals of stuttering, and cultural myths (e.g., "stutterers are less capable") are unchallenged.

4. Why is there insufficient awareness, education, and representation?
Educational curricula, media, and workplaces seldom proactively address stuttering as a form of neurodivergence nor foster inclusive environments for speech differences; people who stutter may feel compelled to hide their condition, reinforcing invisibility.

5. Why are these channels (curricula, media, workplaces) failing to address stuttering adequately?
There has been a historical lack of advocacy, guidance, and systemic inclusion strategies, compounded by discomfort around discussing atypical speech patterns—even within families and educational settings.


Root Cause Summary:
Stigmatisation and exclusion surrounding stuttering stem from entrenched societal norms, myths, and underrepresentation, maintained by insufficient education, advocacy, and inclusive practice in key spheres (education, media, workplace).


Potential Solutions:

  1. Inclusive Education & Training:
    Embed awareness of speech differences, including stuttering, within school curricula and workplace diversity training. Positively frame stuttering as a valid mode of communication rather than a deficiency, drawing from the ‘stuttering as neurodivergence’ narrative (as discussed by James Burden).

  2. Representation & Advocacy:
    Encourage representation of people who stutter in media and professional spaces—from leadership to public-facing roles. Destigmatise by sharing authentic stories, showing that stuttering does not equate to incompetence (cf. Joe Biden’s public journey).

  3. Supportive Environments:
    Create safe spaces in schools, workplaces, and communities where stuttering is accepted and supported. Leverage approaches like Acceptance Commitment Therapy and peer networks, promoting confidence and open dialogue (as the stuttering blueprint initiative models).

  4. Open Dialogue & Myth-Busting:
    Proactively challenge stereotypes. Talk openly about stuttering in families, classrooms, and boardrooms—removing secrecy and silence, as per James' analogy of melting the “stuttering iceberg”.

  5. Empowerment Through Practice:
    Equip people who stutter with practical tools (e.g., prolonged speech techniques, mindset reframing), but frame these as avenues for self-expression, not ‘fixing’ brokenness.


In conclusion:
Solving exclusion and stigma around stuttering requires systemic change—education, visibility, advocacy, and compassionate conversations, coupled with tools for self-acceptance. By shifting the narrative from one of deficit to one of diversity and normality, both individuals and society stand to thrive.

Would you like further recommendations related to inclusion strategy or stuttering support, perhaps tailored for your context?

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Opening Slide

Elevate workplace inclusion by empowering those with speech differences. This essential checklist highlights five best practices for cultivating psychological safety, addressing stigma, and embracing neurodiversity. Advance your organisation’s reputation for positive people experiences and belonging for all.

Safe Communication

Foster a culture where speech differences—such as stuttering—are accepted and valued. Encourage patience, active listening, and the avoidance of interruptions or completion of others’ sentences. Prioritise respect in every interaction.

Destigmatise Speech

Counter negative stereotypes and language-based biases. Challenge the narrative around fluency, focusing on abilities rather than deficits. Leadership should model inclusive behaviour and publicly support individuals with speech differences.

Rethink 'Normal'

Recognise that speech diversity—including stuttering—is a natural human variation. Avoid framing fluency as the sole benchmark of competence. Embrace neurodivergence in talent management and workplace policy design.

Address Self-Judgement

Create access to confidential support and peer connections. Promote programmes that build self-confidence and value individuals’ authentic voices. Use interventions focused on acceptance, not 'fixing' or masking differences.

Inclusive Opportunities

Remove barriers in professional development, recruitment, and advancement. Assess job descriptions and hiring practices to ensure they do not inadvertently exclude those with speech differences. Ensure equal access to leadership, public speaking, and customer-facing roles.

Closing Slide

Connect with Joanne Lockwood at SEE Change Happen to inspire real inclusion and belonging. Discover our resources and tailored solutions at https://seechangehappen.co.uk. Take action now to ignite positive change in your organisation.

6 major topics

Blog Post Title:
Stuttering Without Apology: Cultivating Inclusion Through Unfiltered Conversation

Meta Description:
Discover how stuttering can become a source of strength and inclusion. Join Joanne Lockwood as she explores society’s perceptions, the psychology of speech, and practical fluency techniques with James Burden, masterfully unpacking the real stories behind stuttering.


As I sat down with James Burden, founder of Stuttering Blueprint and a passionate advocate for speech diversity, I realised this wasn’t just a dialogue about being fluent; it was a journey into the depths of belonging, mindset, and societal transformation. With “stuttering” as our lens—my central SEO keyword—it quickly became clear that the conversation wasn’t about fixing people, but about igniting acceptance, curiosity, and confidence. Let me share six pivotal themes we unravelled, each carrying its own spark of insight and a question or two worth pondering.


Redefining Stuttering: Beyond Embarrassment to Empowerment
At the heart of our talk lay the concept that stuttering isn’t a disorder or a deficit—it’s a neurodivergence, a natural variation in the tapestry of human communication. James spoke vividly of stuttering as something experienced across cultures, affecting around 1% of the population, and shaped as much by societal perceptions as by speech patterns. Why is it, I wondered, that our first instinct is to shy away from what’s different? What if embracing stuttering, rather than apologising for it, actually brings us closer to genuine inclusion?

We explored how fluency isn’t perfection, and perfection itself is a social construct. Could stuttering, when met with acceptance, become a path to strength rather than silence? This led us to question not only how we listen, but who gets to define what’s “normal” in speech.


Breaking the Stigma: Shame, Silence, and Self-Judgement
James introduced the powerful metaphor of the “stuttering iceberg.” The visible tip: repeat words, blocks, and avoidance behaviours. But beneath the surface simmer self-judgement, secrecy, and society’s unspoken rules. Drawing on Brene Brown’s research, we examined how shame thrives in silence—how the real challenge lies in unearthing and melting those hidden pressures.

I found it fascinating that the harshest critics are frequently not outsiders, but people who stutter themselves. This flips the narrative; it’s not always about others passing judgement, but the personal battles within. What would change if those internalised beliefs lost their hold? Can the mere act of talking openly about stuttering, especially within families and schools, loosen shame’s grip?


Mindset Matters: Acceptance, Commitment, and the Power of Values
One of the most stirring elements of our dialogue was the integration of Acceptance Commitment Therapy (ACT). James made clear that lasting change arises not simply from adjusting speech, but from reframing personal values—the hierarchy between “not stuttering” and “going after one’s goals.”

We mused over how mental reframing can empower people to take risks, pursue promotions, or even venture into public speaking, regardless of fluency. What if acceptance isn’t just therapeutic jargon, but the cornerstone for progress in any walk of life? And how might your own goals shift if you let go of needing to be word-perfect?


Practical Fluency Techniques: From Prolonged Speech to Everyday Resilience
Curiosity piqued as James described the prolonged speech methodology, particularly the Camperdown Programme. Using slow, connected speech as a kind of ‘muscle memory training,’ individuals gradually learn to speed up while retaining fluency. The results? Not only improved speech, but a transformation in self-confidence.

We didn’t shy away from the challenges—sounding “unnaturally slow” at first, mastering inflection and pitch, and applying these skills in real-life scenarios from family gatherings to public forums. I was left wondering: could these techniques help not just those who stutter, but anyone seeking clarity and calm in chaotic conversations? And what if those everyday ums, ahs, and repeats are just a natural part of fluent speaking after all?


The Role of the Listener: Creating Safe Spaces, Not Finishing Sentences
Stuttering calls for a new mode of listening—patience, calm, and an absence of judgement. James was emphatic: the worst thing to do is interrupt or complete someone’s sentence. Instead, hold space, maintain gentle eye contact, and let the person speak at their own pace.

This raises a compelling question—not just for stuttering, but for all dialogue—how often do we truly listen without rushing to fill the gaps? What would it mean for inclusion if every conversation turned into a safe space where imperfection is perfectly acceptable?


Wide-Angle Inclusion: Stuttering Across Languages, Cultures, and Lifespans
A point of curiosity that surprised me: stuttering occurs universally, from English to Chinese and every dialect between. Its prevalence is reported as higher in men than women, but is this a reality or a reporting bias shaped by societal expectations? We reflected on the broader picture—the importance of having visible role models (Joe Biden, for instance), the evolution of terms (‘stammer’ in the UK, ‘stutter’ in North America), and how childhood experiences shape lifelong attitudes.

This global lens leaves me asking: what other linguistic differences might shape our assumptions about speech diversity? And could cultivating acceptance in early years transform the future of workplace inclusion?


Conclusion: Stuttering as a Gateway to Inclusion
As I closed the conversation with James, it was clear that stuttering, far from being a barrier, can spark curiosity, empathy, and action. Whether you stutter, support someone who does, or simply seek deeper understanding, know this: inclusion is ignited when we challenge the status quo and normalise difference. How will you respond next time you hear a stutter—will you listen, wait, and allow space for the real voice to emerge?

If you wish to learn more or join me in amplifying these essential voices, reach out at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk or visit Inclusion Bites. Your story, just as it is, might be the spark someone needs.


#Stuttering #Inclusion #SpeechDiversity #Belonging #Fluency #PositivePeopleExperiences

Slogans and Image Prompts

Absolutely! Here are memorable slogans, soundbites, and quotes derived directly from the episode “Stuttering Without Apology” of the Inclusion Bites Podcast. Each is paired with a vivid AI image prompt, crafted with an eye for style and inclusivity, perfect for merch or hashtag campaigns.


1. "Stuttering is Strength, Not Silence"

Slogan / Hashtag:
StutteringIsStrength #StrengthNotSilence

AI Image Generation Prompt:
A diverse, empowered individual standing confidently centre stage, vocal sound-waves flowing outward, symbolising speech as vibrant energy. The words “Strength, Not Silence” form a glowing halo. Background: abstract, inclusive community figures, warm inviting colours, contemporary illustration style.


2. "Your Voice Matters. Not Perfect – Real."

Slogan / Hashtag:
#YourVoiceMatters #NotPerfectReal

AI Image Generation Prompt:
Close-up of a person’s mouth with speech bubbles of various unique shapes emerging—some fragmented, some smooth. Each bubble is colourful, representing individuality. The text “Not Perfect – Real” overlays in handwritten font. Background: soft gradient, modern clean look.


3. "Ignite Inclusion. Challenge the Stigma."

Slogan / Hashtag:
#IgniteInclusion #ChallengeTheStigma

AI Image Generation Prompt:
A torch or spark igniting a circle that transforms into a mosaic of diverse faces. The fire morphs into speech ribbons wrapping the group, symbolising connection and belonging. Bold lettering above and below reads: “Ignite Inclusion. Challenge the Stigma.” Vibrant, motivational palette.


4. "Patience is Inclusion."

Slogan / Hashtag:
#PatienceIsInclusion

AI Image Generation Prompt:
Two people sitting together in a gentle café scene, one speaking at their own pace, while the other listens intently with calm, open body language. Minimalistic design, soothing colours, and the text “Patience is Inclusion” in elegant script above the characters.


5. "Speak Without Apology."

Slogan / Hashtag:
#SpeakWithoutApology

AI Image Generation Prompt:
A diverse group of people each holding a megaphone or microphone, confidently speaking, with the phrase “Speak Without Apology” boldly displayed as if echoing from their voices. Modern graphic style, empowering atmosphere, splash of bright, affirming colours.


6. "We All Stumble. We All Belong."

Slogan / Hashtag:
#WeAllBelong #StumbleStrong

AI Image Generation Prompt:
A looping pathway with footprints, where some steps are bold and some falter, weaving through a garden of diverse flowers representing people. The uplifting phrase arches over in cheerful hand-lettering. Warm, inclusive, and inviting visual storytelling.


7. "My Superpower: Safe Spaces for Every Voice."

Slogan / Hashtag:
#SafeSpaces #EveryVoice

AI Image Generation Prompt:
A superhero-style character (gender-neutral and ethnically ambiguous), cape made of patchwork speech bubbles, arms open wide in a welcoming gesture. Background: a circle of people with radiating lines, all feeling safe and seen. Text: “Safe Spaces for Every Voice.” Comic-book inspired, bright tones.


8. "Melt the Iceberg of Shame."

Slogan / Hashtag:
#MeltTheIceberg #EndShame

AI Image Generation Prompt:
An iceberg labelled “Shame” melting under a radiant sun labelled “Acceptance.” In the water, people raise their heads above the waves, looking relieved and empowered. Clean, thought-provoking vector art, cool blues and warm yellows entwined.


9. "It's OK – I'm Just Speaking My Way."

Slogan / Hashtag:
#SpeakingMyWay

AI Image Generation Prompt:
A speech bubble shaped like a winding road, with the phrase inside. Along the road, small moments: a person pausing, another smiling in support. Whimsical, sketch-style, friendly palette.


10. "Challenge Yourself. Share Your Story. Your Voice Matters."

Slogan / Hashtag:
#ShareYourStory #VoiceMatters

AI Image Generation Prompt:
Illustration of a figure, hand raised, speaking into a microphone, while a ripple of hearts and ears spread outward, depicting listeners receiving the message. Above, the text in bold, urgent font. Inclusive, energetic, designed for inspiration.


These quotes and visuals are crafted to spark conversation, promote belonging, and celebrate all voices—making for truly meaningful merchandise. If you’ve a favourite or want new variations, let me know!

Inclusion Bites Spotlight

James Burden joins Joanne Lockwood in the episode “Stuttering Without Apology” on The Inclusion Bites Podcast, offering profound insights into stuttering and its intersection with inclusion and belonging. As a speech language pathologist and founder of Stuttering Blueprint, James dedicates his work to empowering professionals who stutter—championing an approach where stuttering is not seen as a problem to be fixed, but as a natural aspect of human diversity.

James’s philosophy reframes stuttering from a source of shame to a source of strength. He shares compelling stories from his clinical practice, where the moment stuttering is met with acceptance rather than correction, individuals begin to shed internalised stigma and reclaim their confidence. James draws on landmark research that positions stuttering as a form of neurodivergence, occurring across languages, cultures, and genders. He highlights the dangers of silence, secrecy, and judgement—offering instead therapeutic methodologies that combine Acceptance Commitment Therapy and practical speech techniques, all grounded in self-acceptance rather than the pursuit of perfection.

Throughout the episode, James and Joanne discuss the very real barriers stuttering creates in professional and social settings—from job interviews to simply introducing oneself. They explore how societal norms and micro-traumas amplify internalised shame, often leading those who stutter to avoid speaking up or pursuing opportunities. Yet, by fostering safe and affirming spaces, James shows that fluency is not about eradication, but about communication and connection, underpinned by the belief that everyone’s voice matters.

James urges listeners to challenge myths, question biases, and adopt a more inclusive mindset—whether as allies or as individuals who stutter. His message is clear: the foundation of inclusion is not fixing people but recognising, supporting, and uplifting every unique way of speaking.

Tune in to hear how stuttering, far from being a barrier to success or belonging, can become a visible mark of courage and authenticity. This episode invites us all to reconsider how we listen—and how we create spaces where no one must apologise for the way they speak.

YouTube Description

Dare to Challenge Speech Stigma: Stuttering Without Apology | Inclusion Bites Podcast

Why do we force fluency as the standard, and what is the true impact when we don’t? In this ground-breaking episode of the Inclusion Bites Podcast, host Joanne Lockwood interviews James Burden, a speech language pathologist and founder of Stuttering Blueprint, to shatter misconceptions about stuttering, stigma, and self-worth.

James reveals how stuttering is not a defect to be hidden or ‘fixed’, but a natural variation—one present across cultures and languages. Hear real insights into how societal attitudes and self-judgement hold people back from thriving professionally and personally. Explore how the lasting harm of micro-traumas, silence, and shame associated with speech differences can be melted away through acceptance, community, and tailored techniques.

Key Insights:

  • Stuttering is a neurodivergence, not a disorder—1% of all people stutter, regardless of culture or language.

  • The greatest barrier is internalised shame, fuelled by silence, secrecy, and judgement.

  • Effective fluency techniques focus on self-acceptance, not fixing; progress comes from comfort in one’s own voice.

  • Listeners and colleagues must learn active, patient and non-judgemental listening, to create safe spaces and remove stigma.

How Will You Act Differently?
By reframing your mindset and learning to respond supportively, you’ll empower not only people who stutter, but anyone facing speech differences. You’ll think more critically about what “normal” communication really is, feel more empathy rather than pity, and become a champion for inclusion in every conversation. If you stutter, you may begin to see speech as self-expression, not a battleground for approval.

Takeaways & Actions:

  • Challenge your own biases: Is fluency your benchmark, or are you listening for ideas and meaning?

  • Practise inclusive listening: Wait, listen, and let people finish in their own time.

  • Share your voice: If you stutter, push yourself to share your story weekly—your voice matters.

  • Watch James Burden’s free masterclass for practical, actionable support: [link in show notes]

  • Connect with Joanne Lockwood to share your insights, join the conversation, or appear on the show.

Join the Movement for Speech Inclusion. Subscribe, comment, and share this episode—amplify voices that matter!

#InclusionBites #StutteringAwareness #SpeechInclusion #Neurodiversity #Belonging #DisruptStigma #SelfAcceptance #PositivePeopleExperiences #SpeechTherapy #InclusiveCultures

Explore more episodes at: https://seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen
Contact Joanne: jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk

Inclusion Ignited: Real Talk. Real Change. Unapologetically Bold.

10 Question Quiz

Inclusion Bites Podcast – Episode Quiz: Stuttering Without Apology
Questions based on the host’s contributions and perspective


1. What does Joanne Lockwood describe as a key aim of the Inclusion Bites Podcast?
A. Exploring speech pathology methodologies
B. Challenging surface-level discussions
C. Creating a world where everyone belongs and thrives
D. Providing general health advice

2. When discussing her personal experience, Joanne shares her 'claim to fame' regarding Mexico. How did she end up there?
A. She booked a spontaneous holiday
B. She got lost whilst hiking
C. She accidentally drove across the border
D. She flew there for a conference

3. According to Joanne, what is the typical emotional response when someone starts stuttering in a conversation?
A. Immediate annoyance
B. Empathy and a desire to help
C. Indifference
D. Mockery

4. How does Joanne suggest the listener should respond if they are in conversation with a person who stutters?
A. Interrupt and finish their sentences
B. Offer medical advice
C. Be patient, refrain from drawing attention, and create a safe listening environment
D. Laugh to ease the tension

5. Joanne reflects on her own experiences in public speaking and classroom settings. What emotion does she recall most strongly from those moments?
A. Excitement
B. Embarrassment and anxiety
C. Boredom
D. Anger

6. What lesson does Joanne say she learned after many years of speaking and experiencing self-consciousness?
A. Always rehearse every word in advance
B. Most people aren’t focused on your mistakes
C. Avoid public speaking whenever possible
D. Seek perfection in every sentence

7. In the discussion about speech artefacts, what observation does Joanne make about her own speech patterns?
A. She never uses filler words
B. She often repeats words or uses fillers as thinking time
C. She always speaks flawlessly
D. She pauses only when nervous

8. Joanne uses an analogy to describe how people react to group photographs. What does she say most people do first?
A. Critique the lighting
B. Find themselves in the photo
C. Hide the photo from others
D. Examine strangers’ expressions

9. What is Joanne’s general advice for listeners who feel self-conscious about speaking or stuttering?
A. Avoid speaking situations
B. Realise that others are mostly thinking about themselves
C. Assume everyone is judging every word
D. Speak only when completely confident

10. What does Joanne emphasise at the end of the episode as key to fostering inclusion?
A. Reviewing speech therapy techniques
B. Amplifying the voices that matter
C. Silence and secrecy
D. Avoiding uncomfortable topics


Answer Key and Rationale

1. C – Joanne repeatedly frames the podcast’s mission as creating an environment where everyone belongs and thrives, focusing on inclusion and belonging.

2. C – Joanne shares a story of accidentally driving into Mexico, underscoring how unexpected situations can arise.

3. B – Joanne reflects on feeling empathy and a benevolent desire to help when someone is struggling with speech, yet noting the need to not make it awkward.

4. C – She highlights the importance of patience, not interrupting, and creating a safe, accepting environment for speakers who stutter.

5. B – Her recollections about being asked to read aloud at school reveal embarrassment, anxiety, and fear of judgement.

6. B – Through years of experience, Joanne learned that most people are not scrutinising every mistake; the perceived pressure is often self-imposed.

7. B – She identifies her own tendency to use filler words and repeated phrases for thinking time, reflecting normal speech disfluencies.

8. B – Joanne uses the group photo analogy to illustrate how people are usually focused on themselves, not scrutinising others.

9. B – Her advice is to recognise that others are largely self-interested, helping relieve pressure and anxiety around one’s own speech.

10. B – Joanne emphasises that a vital part of inclusion is amplifying diverse voices and sharing stories that matter.


Summary Paragraph

The core tenets shared by Joanne Lockwood, host of the Inclusion Bites Podcast, place significant emphasis on the creation of inclusive environments where every individual feels they belong and can thrive. Through personal anecdotes—like her accidental border crossing and her vivid school memories of anxiety around public speaking—Joanne illustrates the emotional landscape accompanying speech difficulties and self-consciousness. She identifies empathy as a natural response, but stresses the value of patience, listening, and not drawing attention to stuttering. Her reflections reveal that most anxieties in communication stem from self-judgement, while in truth, others are primarily focused on themselves. Most notably, Joanne advocates amplifying voices and sharing authentic stories as pivotal to advancing inclusion—encouraging listeners to participate, reflect, and foster truly accepting communities, one conversation at a time.

Rhyme Scheme and Rhythm Podcast Poetry

Stuttering Without Shame: A Rhyme of Strength

In a world of hurried voices and rhythms on repeat,
There lies a quiet struggle—one many never meet.
It’s not a mark of error, nor a reason to retreat,
But a tapestry of courage where humanity’s complete.

Across languages and nations, from classrooms to the street,
A single syllable falters—yet the message can be sweet.
No flaw in imperfection, no deficit to treat,
Stuttering holds a power that silence can’t defeat.

The pressure to be flawless, to keep a steady beat,
Breeds shame and isolation, makes connection bittersweet.
But stigma is the anchor, and empathy’s the fleet—
When we pause and truly listen, inclusion feels replete.

The iceberg of emotions—judgement deep and fleet—
Hides in thoughts and stories, unseen beneath the sheet.
To melt it, warmth and kindness, let dignity take seat,
Acceptance births resilience, and fosters self-esteem’s repeat.

Speech, a dance of muscle, thought, and hopes discrete,
Each interaction precious, each encounter its own feat.
By slowing down, by flowing, by letting calm accrete,
We honour every utterance, let authenticity greet.

So, when words are slow in coming, resist the urge to mete
Interruptions or assistance—simply let them speak, complete.
For every story matters, every voice is indiscreet,
Perfection is a fiction; let every tale compete.

To those walking through the challenge, remember, don’t delete
Your voice from life’s discourse; let your spirit be elite.
Share your truth, your vision—where vulnerability’s a treat,
The world awaits your message, unpolished yet replete.

If you value bold discussions and change you can repeat,
Subscribe, connect, and share this space where inclusion is the beat.

—with thanks to James Burden for a fascinating podcast episode

Key Learnings

Key Learning & Takeaway from “Stuttering Without Apology” (Inclusion Bites Podcast, Episode 179):

The transformative insight from this episode is the essential reframing of stuttering—not as a flaw to be hidden or “fixed,” but as a natural aspect of neurodiversity and human expression. By fostering environments of acceptance and providing tools for self-advocacy, shame and stigma are dissolved, empowering people who stutter to participate fully and confidently in society. Stuttering should never be the reason someone doubts their value or holds back their voice; true inclusion means embracing all ways of speaking.


Point #1 – Stuttering as Neurodiversity:
Stuttering is not a defect, but a form of neurodiversity that exists equally across cultures, languages, and backgrounds. The episode challenges conventional perceptions and places stuttering within the broader framework of neurodivergent identities like ADHD and autism, urging us to see difference as a natural part of human variation.

Point #2 – The Real Barrier: Shame and Stigma
The deeper obstacle to fluent communication is not the stutter itself, but the shame, secrecy, and judgement—often internalised due to social responses. The conversation highlights that people who stutter are frequently their own harshest critics, and that breaking the silence is pivotal to dismantling these barriers.

Point #3 – Listening with Patience and Respect
Effective communication hinges on respectful listening. The podcast lays out practical wisdom for listeners: do not interrupt, finish sentences, or draw unnecessary attention to the stutter. Acknowledge that everyone is processing the conversation in their own way and, most importantly, treat stuttering as simply another way of talking.

Point #4 – Tools for Empowerment and Inclusion
Speech therapy techniques such as prolonged speech and acceptance commitment therapy are discussed as empowerment tools—not means of “fixing” anyone, but strategies that help individuals align their speaking goals with self-acceptance. The episode underscores that actual change happens by melting the “stuttering iceberg,” addressing not only visible behaviours but also the hidden emotional experiences below the surface.


Interested in learning more?
Listen to this and other bold conversations at Inclusion Bites, and reach out to Joanne Lockwood at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk with your thoughts, stories, or to join the dialogue.

Maxims to live by…

Maxims for Speaking, Listening, and Living with Confidence and Inclusion

  1. Embrace Disfluency as Human
    Accept that speech imperfections—whether stuttering, stammering, filler words or hesitations—are natural artefacts of communication, not flaws to be eradicated.

  2. Reject Perfection and Relinquish Shame
    Let go of the pressure to be word-perfect. Perfection in speech is a myth; authenticity and vulnerability foster true connection.

  3. Normalise Difference
    Recognise neurodiversity in speech. Stuttering is part of one’s individuality, not a disorder, and need not be hidden or corrected for acceptance.

  4. Create Safe Spaces for Every Voice
    Cultivate environments—personal and professional—where all forms of speech are welcome, ensuring every individual feels safe to express themselves without fear of judgement.

  5. Silence Judgement, Amplify Acceptance
    Challenge stigma, secrecy and shame, which thrive in silence. Speak openly about speech differences; make inclusion the norm, not the exception.

  6. Pause and Listen Patiently
    Offer your patient attention to those who need time to express their thoughts. Refrain from finishing their sentences; let everyone communicate at their own pace.

  7. Value Substance over Delivery
    Prioritise the message over the medium. Substance, intent and meaning carry far greater weight than fluency or speed.

  8. Practise Mindful Self-talk
    Interrogate your own internal narratives about worthiness and capability. Rewrite negative self-fulfilling prophecies into ones of confidence and self-belief.

  9. Focus on Growth, Not Fixing
    Seek progress in speech and life from a foundation of “enoughness.” Work on personal development for fulfilment—not for validation.

  10. Use Setbacks as Stepping Stones
    Reframe embarrassment and past anxieties as opportunities for personal growth—never as proof of inadequacy.

  11. Prioritise Values Over Fear
    Let your values lead, not your worries. Speak up in meaningful moments—even when anxiety looms—because your contribution matters.

  12. Challenge Myths and Assumptions
    Be vigilant against stereotypes about intelligence, ability or professionalism linked to speech. Question what society tells you is “normal.”

  13. Celebrate Authenticity
    Own your voice, however it manifests. Speak not in apology, but in celebration of your unique contribution.

  14. Share Your Story—It Matters
    Give yourself permission to be heard. Every lived experience offers insight and can empower others; regular sharing is both an act of courage and service.

  15. Support from Understanding, Not Pity
    Extend understanding and acceptance, but never condescension or sympathy. Empathy and respect are the anchors of genuine support.

  16. Foster Collective Belonging Through Communication
    Champion inclusion by welcoming diverse voices. Community is strengthened when every person feels that their way of speaking is met with compassion, rather than correction.

  17. Remember: Most People Worry About Themselves, Not You
    Relieve yourself of undue pressure—know that others are usually more focused on their own experiences than on your imperfections.

  18. Lead by Example—Break the Silence
    Speak openly about challenges, offer practical, actionable insights, and inspire others to do the same. A society of listeners and storytellers drives real change.

  19. Challenge Yourself Weekly
    Commit to sharing your genuine voice at least once a week, whether one-to-one, in groups, or on platforms. Each story told carves the path for greater inclusion.

  20. Above All, Remember Your Voice Has Value
    There are those who need your authentic expression—not the polished version, but the real you. Your voice, with all its quirks and qualities, truly matters.

These guiding principles serve as a foundation for living confidently and inclusively, strengthening both personal resilience and collective belonging.

Extended YouTube Description

Stuttering Without Apology | Inclusion Bites Podcast Ep.179 with James Burden

Discover the transformative power of acceptance and inclusion as Joanne Lockwood welcomes speech language pathologist James Burden, founder of Stuttering Blueprint, to episode 179 of the Inclusion Bites Podcast. Together, they explore the lived reality of stuttering and how to break the stigma around speech differences in professional and personal contexts.


Timestamps for Easy Navigation

00:00 – Introduction to the Inclusion Bites Podcast
01:49 – Meet James Burden & his journey
04:10 – Why stuttering became James’s focus
08:12 – Shifting from shame to strength
10:43 – Explaining stuttering: neurodiversity & global prevalence
13:25 – Is stuttering the same across languages?
15:20 – How to support and listen to someone who stutters
18:11 – Parent-child interactions and Michael Palin Centre
22:20 – The “stuttering iceberg”: tackling mindset & stigma
28:41 – Effective techniques for fluent speech
35:00 – Speech artefacts: stuttering vs. natural disfluency
41:15 – Speech purism: expectations vs. reality
42:43 – Stutter vs. stammer: terminology explained
45:50 – Overcoming public speaking anxiety
49:24 – The universal fear of judgement
52:21 – Key takeaways for stutterers & allies
53:34 – How to connect with James Burden
55:42 – Final call to action for listeners


Detailed Description

In this episode, Joanne Lockwood (she/her) dives deep into the subject of stuttering, challenging societal norms and revealing how speech differences are intricately tied to issues of inclusion, belonging, and self-worth. Guest expert James Burden, an international speech language pathologist and founder of Stuttering Blueprint, shares his expertise on empowering professionals who stutter. He debunks myths, explains the neurodiverse nature of stuttering, and highlights real-world strategies for speaking confidently—without apology.

Viewers will learn:

  • The reality of living with stuttering and how social attitudes amplify stigma rather than foster understanding.

  • Evidence-based methods—including the Camperdown and Palin approaches—that help adults and children cultivate fluent speech by focusing on acceptance rather than “fixing” perceived flaws.

  • Practical tips for being an effective listener and supporting others in conversations without undermining their confidence.

  • Insights into global perspectives on stuttering/stammering, including gender and cultural nuances, and why acceptance matters.

  • The psychological iceberg beneath the surface—how internalised shame, fear of judgement, and self-fulfilling prophecies impact daily life and career growth.

  • Empowering advice for anyone navigating public speaking, job interviews, or simply sharing their story.

Whether you’re a speech professional, HR leader, educator, parent, or workplace inclusion advocate, this episode will equip you with actionable strategies for building safer spaces and helping every voice be heard.

Takeaways for the Audience

  • Learn how inclusive environments benefit everyone—those who stutter, as well as allies and colleagues—by reducing shame and promoting authentic connection.

  • Discover techniques for self-reflection and developing a more supportive inner dialogue, useful for creating more successful professional interactions and resilient long-term strategies.

  • Uncover the role of mindset in overcoming speech-related anxieties, whether you’re a public speaker, team leader, or someone striving to create greater psychological safety at work.

  • Refresh your toolkit with evidence-based fluency methods and actionable listening skills you can deploy in everyday tasks or leadership approaches.


Calls to Action

  • Subscribe to Inclusion Bites for more conversations that challenge norms and ignite positive change.

  • Visit seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen for additional resources and past episodes.

  • Connect with James Burden or book a free consult via the links shared in the episode notes.

  • Share this video with friends, family, or colleagues who care about inclusion and neurodiversity.

  • Join the conversation! Comment below: What does inclusion sound like to you?


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Stuttering Without Apology: From Silence to Strength

When was the last time you paused to consider how speech differences shape the sense of belonging in your workplace? Many of us unconsciously expect fluency as the “norm” in professional settings, yet for one percent of the global population—people who stutter—this expectation can feel like an insurmountable barrier. Within teams and organisations that prize confident communication, how do we ensure that every voice is both heard and valued, no matter how it emerges?

This week on the Inclusion Bites Podcast, I welcomed James Burden, a speech–language pathologist and the founder of Stuttering Blueprint, to shine a light on this vital but often overlooked facet of inclusion. Episode 179, titled “Stuttering Without Apology,” is a clarion call to rethink how we perceive stuttering—not as a deficit, but as a fundamentally human difference worthy of acceptance, respect, and pride.


Shifting Perspectives: Speaking Up Without Shame

In our conversation, James and I peeled back the layers of stigma that cling to stuttering, examining its impact on self-worth, career progression, and interpersonal relationships. We explored how cultural myths, prejudice, and internalised shame create obstacles far greater than any speech difference itself. For HR professionals, D&I leaders, talent managers, and learning and development practitioners, this episode offers both practical wisdom and a mindset shift: the journey towards inclusion begins with challenging our own assumptions about communication norms.

James’s gentle authority and personal commitment to his work—having journeyed from Vancouver to Mexico and Peru, seeking depth in both speech and spirit—shone through as he described his approach. His programme champions creating safe spaces where stuttering is not silenced or “fixed”, but instead embraced as a form of strength.


James Burden: Redefining Fluency and Belonging

James’s work blends clinical science with profound humanity. Drawing from methodologies like Camperdown, Acceptance Commitment Therapy, and the UK’s own Palin Parent–Child Interaction approach, his ethos is clear: fluency is not a prerequisite for belonging. He reminded us that stuttering occurs across all languages and cultures, and that the root causes remain complex and multifactorial—a striking example of neurodiversity.

In his words, “Let’s make it easier to speak, rather than let’s fix you.” By focusing not only on speech techniques but also on melting the iceberg of shame, James empowers people who stutter to lead with authenticity, confidence, and unreserved ambition.


Practical Wisdom for Inclusive Workplaces

From our discussion, here are several actionable insights to apply in your organisation or leadership role:

1. Challenge Stigma and Normalise Difference

  • Reframe stuttering from “problem” to “difference”. Educate teams that impaired fluency is not a sign of lower intelligence, capability, or professionalism.

  • Share stories of leaders who stutter, such as President Joe Biden, to dispel harmful myths about who can excel.

2. Lean Into Patient Listening

  • Cultivate patience and presence. When engaging with a colleague who stutters, avoid interrupting, completing their sentences, or responding with pity.

  • Instead, listen without agenda, maintain eye contact, and offer space—your composure signals acceptance more clearly than words.

3. Address the Iceberg Beneath the Surface

  • Recognise that the real obstacle is rarely the stutter itself, but rather the accumulated weight of self-judgment, avoidance, and shame.

  • Provide opportunities for colleagues to share stories, connect with others who stutter, and experience a culture where difference is openly discussed, not hidden.

4. Demystify Speech and Embrace Disfluency

  • Educate teams that everyone exhibits speech “artefacts”—the fillers, repetitions, and pauses we all use. Stuttering sits on a spectrum alongside these everyday patterns.

  • By acknowledging the universality of speech disfluency, we make space for more authentic conversations and reduce the pressure to perform.

5. Invest in Support and Skill-Building, Not Perfection

  • Access evidence-based interventions such as prolonged speech techniques or ACT-based coaching—not to “cure”, but to nurture self-acceptance and growth.

  • Support colleagues in their career aspirations, ensuring that speech difference is not a barrier to advancement, leadership, or customer-facing roles.


See (and Hear!) Inclusion in Action

Curious about the journey from stigma to strength? I’ve selected a powerful excerpt from this episode for our newsletter’s audiogram—a one-minute glimpse into James’s philosophy and lived experience.
Watch the audiogram here – get a taste of how acceptance unlocks confidence and connection.


Take the Next Step: Listen, Share, Transform

If stuttering or speech difference is a topic you’ve rarely considered, now is the time to lean in. Whether you’re responsible for talent strategy, training, team culture, or simply wish to expand your own understanding, this episode is essential listening.
Experience the full conversation here and join the journey from silence to strength.

I invite you to forward this newsletter, share the podcast, and spark a dialogue in your own circles—because every voice deserves space, validation, and the chance to thrive.


Ponder This: Who Decides What “Normal” Sounds Like?

After speaking with James, I find myself wondering—how many brilliant ideas, ambitions, and stories are left unspoken because of society’s narrow view on what acceptable speech looks and sounds like? What practical steps can you take, in your role or team, to widen that aperture?

Let’s replace judgement with curiosity, expectation with patience, and silence with encouragement. Inclusion is not about smoothing over every difference—it’s about hearing every voice in its fullness.


Stay Connected

I’d welcome your reflections, thoughts, and stories—perhaps you have your own experience with speech difference, or you know someone whose journey has inspired you. Let’s continue this vital conversation:

  • YouTube – Explore further episode highlights.

  • LinkedIn – Connect for regular updates, discussion, and shared learning.

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  • Website – Discover resources, articles and programmes to support positive people experiences.

Thinking about how SEE Change Happen can support your organisation’s inclusion journey? Drop me a line: jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk—I’d love to hear from you.


Let’s give every voice its rightful place at the table. What will you do differently tomorrow, so no one feels the need to apologise for how they speak?

Until next time,

Joanne Lockwood
Host of Inclusion Bites Podcast
The Inclusive Culture Expert at SEE Change Happen

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Stuttering Without Apology: Rewriting the Story of Speech and Inclusion

“I don’t believe that stuttering makes someone not okay.” That truth, I’ve come to see, is more than a professional axiom; it’s a north star for what it means to make room for human difference—without shame, without apology. And it’s the ground from which my entire approach as a speech language pathologist has evolved.

Too often, we talk about inclusion as if it’s merely a corporate compliance function or a checklist at HR. But real inclusion—deep, systemic, society-changing inclusion—shows up most powerfully in the way we respond to difference. Speech is perhaps our most primal mode of self-expression, yet for millions who stutter, it serves as a daily reminder of society’s impatience, ignorance, and misplaced shame.

This is why conversations about stuttering, and about speech differences more broadly, matter so deeply to me. We’re not just talking about “fixing” something that’s broken; we’re talking about reimagining whose voices get heard, and whose stories are told—without the pressure to mask, to apologise, or to disappear.

Recently, I had the privilege of stepping into a rich, probing dialogue with Joanne Lockwood on the Inclusion Bites Podcast—a conversation that stretched from linguistics and psychology to shame, belonging, and leadership. Joanne, the founder of SEE Change Happen, is a fierce advocate for workplace equity who doesn’t allow surface-level answers or platitudes to slip by. Her own journey, from early anxieties about public speaking to the helm of one of the UK’s most respected inclusion podcasts, has equipped her with a unique blend of empathy and candour.

More than [INSERT_VIEW_COUNT] people have already watched our interview on YouTube, with many more tuning in via Spotify and Apple Podcasts. If the themes here resonate—or even challenge you—I invite you to drop your thoughts in the comments. I read every one.


The Myth of Perfection: Why We Need to Let Go

For years, I saw transformations in my clients that were nothing short of miraculous—individuals arriving with what appeared as “severe” stutters walking out fluent, sometimes within a handful of sessions of intensive speech work. But very quickly, I recognised that the real work—the lasting work—doesn’t live in fluency drills or clever hacks. It lies in building spaces where stuttering ceases to be something one must apologise for at all.

Joanne put it directly: “Removing the shame and the stigma and the awkwardness, taking away the pressure to be perfect.” Perfection, it turns out, is a cultural myth. Everyone stumbles over their words sometimes—yet society has constructed a hierarchy of speech, policing what’s deemed “fluent” or “acceptable”. What matters most is not whether you stutter, but whether you internalise those moments as evidence that you’re broken or unworthy.

Joanne’s willingness to draw from her own journey with public expression—her early self-consciousness, her dread of reading aloud in school, her eventual realisation that no one was really watching—was a mirror for so many of the stories I’ve heard from clients. “Once I stopped being hung up about being word perfect on every sentence, I realised that nobody cares or nobody notices. That pressure comes off, doesn’t it?” she shared. That ability to rewrite your internal narrative about speech is liberation—not just for stutterers, but for anyone held hostage by their inner critic.


Stuttering as Neurodivergence: Moving Beyond Root-Cause Mentality

It’s remarkable how much energy, research funding, and collective anxiety have focused on the question: What causes stuttering? For decades, we’ve chased the hope of a root cause, as if stuttering were a disease, a trauma response, a defect waiting for diagnosis and cure. But here’s the truth: we still don’t know. What we do know, however, is that stuttering displays every hallmark of neurodivergence—a different way of processing, not a disorder to be eradicated.

This is not a cop-out; it’s liberation through acceptance. The most esteemed thought leaders in the field, from Barry Guitar to Mark Onslow, now converge on the belief that stuttering is simply part of human diversity—no less “normal” than left-handedness or the full spectrum of neurotypes. It appears in all cultures at roughly the same rate, and yes, it shows a higher prevalence in men (about four to one), though issues of social conditioning and masking certainly muddy those waters.

Joanne’s curiosity led us deeper: is it the same letters or sounds that trip people up in every language? The answer is more psychological than structural—a classic case of self-fulfilling prophecy. “Usually, it’s not always this way, but a very common letter for someone to stutter on is the first letter of their name,” I explained. Negative experiences—being laughed at, embarrassed after a failed introduction, or told “Did you forget your name?”—can cement lifelong patterns of expectation and tension. It’s not the sound itself, but the weight we assign to it.

What’s the real risk? Not the presence of stuttering, but the way it’s policed. When young people get the message—explicitly or implicitly—that stuttering makes them unacceptable, they stop raising their hands, avoid job interviews, steer clear of leadership, or simply keep their mouths shut. That’s not just a loss for the individual; it’s a loss for the world.


Inclusion in Action: How to Listen—and Why It Matters

So how do we build genuinely inclusive environments for people who stutter? The answer, again, is much simpler—and far deeper—than a checklist.

Let’s start with listening. Joanne posed the question many well-meaning listeners ask themselves: Should I help, fill the silence, or try to reassure? What’s the proper etiquette? The first rule is simple: don’t interrupt, don’t complete their sentence, and don’t make a spectacle out of your patience. “The best thing to do is simply wait and listen and just be patient and keep looking at the person,” I told her. Adopt the mindset that stuttering is simply a way some people speak—neither a flaw nor a performance—and you’ll react more naturally.

But what about the urge to empathise or “help”? Joanne described that swirl of feelings: “Do I feel sorry for that person? Maybe I am. Maybe I’m feeling a bit of empathy… I want to help them and reassure them, but I also… don’t draw attention to it.” The answer is in the paradox: be fully present, without overcompensating or becoming self-conscious yourself. If you simply hold space for whatever comes, the power shifts—from problem-fixing to shared human presence.

For children, there’s a slightly different calculus. Not talking about a stutter at all can turn it into an unspeakable “elephant in the room”, signalling to the child that their difference is so bad it cannot even be named. Programmes like the UK’s Palin Parent Child Interaction approach, spearheaded after Michael Palin’s own comic portrayal of stuttering in “A Fish Called Wanda,” offer structured ways for parents to play, connect, and, crucially, talk openly about stuttering without making it the centrepiece of every interaction.

Ultimately, inclusion in this context isn’t grand or performative. It’s built in the micro-moments: a pause, unhurried eye contact, a relaxed presence that says, “There’s space for you here.” If we get that right, the rest follows.


Technique Versus Transformation: Why Lasting Change is More Than Fluent Speech

As a practitioner, I see time and again: it’s not enough to “fix” speech on the surface. Yes, there are evidenced-based methods—the prolonged speech family, including techniques developed in Australia’s Camperdown Programme—that can make a profound difference. It’s a bit like learning a golf swing: slow everything down, isolate the feeling of flow, then gently speed up and reintroduce natural inflection and rhythm.

But technique alone is not the game-changer. Mindset always sits at the heart of transformation. Before fluency comes acceptance—not as resignation, but as freedom. “How to speak more fluently from a place of ‘I’m already enough,’” as I put it, “not ‘I need to work on my speech in order to be enough.’ There’s an important fine distinction there.” Most people who stutter don’t want a pep talk, or another round of therapy focused on “fixing” them. They want to stutter less, certainly. But what they need, in my experience, is the insight that feeling good about yourself is not a reward for fluency—it’s the foundation of it.

We talked of the “stuttering iceberg,” a metaphor borrowed from Joseph Sheehan: the visible stutters and avoidance tricks bobbing above the surface, while underneath swirl self-judgement, shame, myths, and avoidance behaviours. The only way to melt that iceberg is to move it into “warmer waters”—spaces of acceptance, self-compassion, and ultimately, belonging.

That’s why my work with clients often combines refined speech drills with frameworks from Acceptance and Commitment Therapy. We start by identifying: What matters more to you—perfect speech, or pursuing your actual goals? Over time, as we untangle the shame and self-policing, priorities start to shift. Perhaps the job interview, the business pitch, the honest conversation with a loved one, becomes more important than protecting yourself from the imagined gaze of others. That’s where measurable progress happens—not from bypassing the stutter, but from redefining what success looks like.


Internal Critics and External Expectations: The True Stigma of Stuttering

If there’s a single villain in the stuttering narrative, it’s not the act of stuttering itself—but the shame that festers in silence. Brene Brown’s research on vulnerability and shame offers a lens here: shame thrives on silence, secrecy, and judgement, all of which are endemic to the stuttering experience.

What does shame look like in this context? It’s the internal monologue that whispers, “I’m broken. I’m not good enough. No one will ever want to hear my voice.” The tragedy is, as Joanne and I agreed, most of the harshest and most persistent criticism comes not from society at large, but from within. People who stutter, burdened by years of micro-traumas—being mocked as children, corrected constantly, or marginalised in classrooms—often become their own worst enemies, avoiding situations not because they stutter, but because they dread the resurfacing pain of judgement.

Joanne’s story amplifies this: the experience of being asked to read aloud in class, feeling her face flush with embarrassment, “all the blood flowing to my cheeks, all that fight-flight fear kicking in…. it did dog me for many years, that stigma and shame of not being able to speak without my face going bright red.” This is the crucible where difference mutates into dread, and where self-expression withers not from lack of skill, but from the expectation of ridicule.

My role, fundamentally, is to break that cycle. “What I do is try to help people with that piece while simultaneously working on the speech. But when we work on the speech, we have to work on it in a way that is not about fixing you… it’s you’re okay and I can help, and by feeling okay, it will help you speak more fluently.”


Shifting Narratives: Speech as Strength, Not Silence

What does it actually look like to rewrite the internal story, to stop apologising, to lean in rather than retreat? It’s not about bravado or never feeling fear; rather, it’s the collection of little acts of defiance—the decision to share your story, not merely despite your difference, but because of it.

Having spent years working with stutterers of all ages and at all stages—executives, entrepreneurs, children, teenagers—I see, over and over, the catalytic power of solidarity and role modelling. When people who stutter witness others navigating the world unapologetically, it chips away at self-judgement. They begin to see stuttering not as evidence of failure, but as evidence of resilience.

Joanne underscored this beautifully when describing her own passage through fear into confidence, especially on stage: “I had to learn that when I’m on that stage and I pause, I smile, I look around the room to create that dramatic effect, that lean in feeling in the audience… I knew that whatever came out of my mouth first was going to make sense… once I started realising that I could trust myself, I then believed in myself and now I don’t get that anxiety.”

That’s exactly what I hope for every person who has ever hidden their voice—that they might see their difference as prelude, not obstacle, to bold contribution.


Where We Go From Here

The irony at the heart of stigma is that its power evaporates when brought into the open. We’re far more forgiving and accepting of others than our internal critics would have us believe. “One of the biggest fears many people have… is public speaking, more than death” I mused, referencing that oft-quoted quip. “But in the end, most people are just thinking about themselves 99% of the time.” The only way to test that premise is through action—by sharing your story, joining the conversation, and allowing yourself to be both seen and heard.

There is no single right way to tackle the challenge of stuttering. But the shift begins when we stop apologising and start occupying our full selves—messy, imperfect, radically human. As I tell every client (and as I’ll remind you here): “People are out there who need to hear your voice. Not a polished version, not a perfect version. The real you.”

So share your story, in whatever way you can—one conversation, one group, one platform at a time. The future belongs to those who trade apology for authenticity, silence for strength.

If you recognise yourself in this narrative, or if you feel compelled to challenge or expand on what I’ve shared, I invite you to leave a comment below. Let’s continue the conversation. The voice you save may turn out to be your own.

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