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Belonging Across Borders
The Inclusion Bites Podcast
Belonging Across Borders
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Mina Sharif
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Joanne Lockwood
00:00 Between Worlds: An Afghan-Canadian Journey 03:28 Between Two Worlds: An Observer's Journey 08:40 Compassionate Understanding of Afghanistan 12:37 Afghan Women's Historical Empowerment Journey 15:51 Foreign Influence in Afghanistan's Plight 18:31 Superpowers' Human Rights Pretence 21:02 Afghanistan Crisis: Long-term Support Strategies 23:52 Navigating First-Generation Challenges 28:34 Enhanced Compassion for Refugee…
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“I kind of live now between both worlds, neither fully in the Canadian sort of childhood that I had been brought up with, not necessarily fully connected anymore, and neither was I fully connected to Afghanistan.”
“But that's the media Bias I have. That's the pictures I see all the time.”
“Women’s Rights Setbacks in Afghanistan: "War has always impacted women first and foremost in loss of rights. And Afghanistan, unfortunately, I wish it was even only 50, 60 years, we were going back a hundred more of instability.”
“To suddenly find yourself transported effectively the other side of the world, where your, Your. Your language is not understood, you don't understand the other language. Maybe, maybe you've got some understanding of English or French, whichever part of Canada you're in, but it's not inherently part of your first language. Also, you've probably left behind a career, a profession. You could be a doctor, a lawyer, a plumber. You could have a business that you've left behind. And suddenly you've come into a country with effectively nothing.”
“Whilst I've always felt that I was never a native, I've always been a native, if that makes sense. I've always had this identity of being born elsewhere.”
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Welcome to Inclusion Bites, your sanctuary for bold conversations that spark change. I'm Joanne Lockwood, your guide on this journey of exploration into the heart of inclusion, belonging and societal transformation. Ever wondered what it truly takes to create a world? Remember, everyone not only belongs, but thrives. You're not alone. Join me as we uncover the unseen, challenge the status quo and share stories that resonate deep within. Ready to dive in? Whether you're sipping your morning coffee or winding down after a long day, let's connect, reflect and inspire action together. Don't forget, you can be part of the conversation too. Reach out to jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk to share your insights or to join me on the show.
So adjust your earbuds and settle in. It's time to ignite the spark of inclusion with Inclusion Bites.
And today is episode 171 with the title Belonging Across Borders. And I have the absolute honour and privilege to welcome Mina Sharif. Mina is a writer, media producer and passionate advocate for building bridges between cultures through storytelling and empowerment. And when I asked Mina to describe her superpower, she said that it is seeing the unseen and amplifying voices caught between worlds. Hello, Mina. Welcome to the show.
Hello, Joanne. Thank you for having me here.
I'm writing, saying you're based in Canada, is that right, somewhere?
That's right. I'm in Toronto, Canada, where I. Where I was raised as well and where I returned to in 2019.
And you've just got a new Prime Minister.
Yeah, we're hopeful. Yeah, yeah. I mean, remaining hopeful is all anyone can do politically.
Former governor of the bank of England, Mark Carney, isn't it?
His economic background is quite welcome all the time.
So us Brits know of him very well. We used to see him on the news regularly over here. So. Yeah. Well, good luck. Yeah, it's good luck.
Thank you.
Mina, your journey spans two worlds. So you grew up in Canada, as you just said, but you've also built communities in Afghanistan. So how's that kind of experience shaped your passion for creating culture and connection and belonging across culture?
Yeah, it's a wonderful question. Thank you. I think my entire life might have been shaped by that experience or by how I arrived between these two worlds and that bridge that I live on. I was born in Afghanistan and I was raised in Canada. My family were refugees in exile, as many, many Afghans are all around the world. And I did not grow up necessarily assuming that I would have a personal and direct connection to Afghanistan. The country itself was Always really behind the headlines of war. And when I was growing up in Canada and as a child, I did not necessarily have any problem with my identity or any feeling of lacking.
But in 2005 I was able to go back to Afghanistan, initially as a volunteer, and I ended up staying for 15 years. And when that happened, I became someone who had a childhood in Canada that shaped me and now a good chunk of my adulthood that was shaping me further. And I somehow realised that I kind of live now between both worlds, neither fully in the Canadian sort of childhood that I had been brought up with, not necessarily fully connected anymore, and neither was I fully connected to Afghanistan. And the way that people had been born and raised there might have felt. I felt that I was now in the role of observer. Whether I was in Canada as a, you know, someone with an Afghan background or whether I was in Afghanistan with someone as a Canadian raised background. It really offered me a lot of opportunity to see disconnects and to see where we could connect in ways that we aren't. And that's really just shaped the path of, of many projects I've done and that I want to do in my life.
So I've spoken to many people over the years and when you are living somewhere outside of your birth community, all those, all those roots or that heritage, sometimes your own sense of culture becomes diluted by the new culture. How long does it take you to become kind of bridged in that sort of security about who you were and your heritage versus trying to also embrace the Canadian lifestyle as well?
Right. Well, I think that's going to differ for different generations. Right. It would really depend on how much lived experience you have in your, in your country of origin to begin with. Myself, along with many others, including in the UK and all around the world, many of us have grown up without any access to the country that we're originally from. And so we're really kind of creating our identity within, with bits and pieces, whether it's the example of Afghanistan is. Is going to include headlines as part of how we piece together who we are. War headlines.
It's going to be stories that our parents share with us, it's going to be language and food and music. But it's. And I, I had that. And I felt connected to who, you know, my background, what my background was. And I think once I moved to Afghanistan, I. That's when I realised, wow, there's actually a lot missing when, when you're trying to piece it together on your own. I think a conclusion that I'm arriving at now is that we're not ever going to be able to have the same connection as maybe our parents had or that people that live in Afghanistan have to that identity. Nor are we going to have a fully like I belong here kind of feeling that a lot of times people in our host country can have.
And what I'd like to see is that we, instead of falling into victimhood or anger about it, find a way to recognise that it's almost a new category and that we are maybe blessed to be part of more than one world rather than ostracised from whatever world we're sitting in.
So you're enriching the environment you're now in with all of the heritage and family and culture that you bring with you. Yeah, I think that's fantastic. So what, what inspired you to go back after all those years?
That's a great question, I think. And I think that also has a lot to do with how my experience may have differed from others. And I think the great part about it is I never planned to go back. And sometimes when things happen as a surprise, that way it you manage your expectations, you're not coming in with preconceived notions that others might have had. If I had been dreaming of going back my whole life, I would have had, you know, an entire upbringing of hopes and expectations going in. I didn't, I went in really with some ingrained stereotypes. I went in with the expectation that I truly expectation that I wouldn't be welcomed as much as I ended up being welcomed. And because of that, I think a lot of my, a lot of my experience was surprisingly positive.
And maybe that's why I was able to sort of maintain that and see that wait, maybe this dual identity and dual experience is a superpower and not the worst thing that could happen to someone. Maybe we have an opportunity to really be a bridge between two worlds because we are part of two worlds.
I suppose my, my perception of Afghanistan is, is extremely limited. Probably similar to yours before you went back. I know of it like many do, because of the troubles, because of the wars, either the American influence, the Russian influence, Taliban or various other bodies there. And most of my, I kind of, if I had to picture Afghanistan with my eyes closed, I would see a very rocky, mountainous desert type place with men with Kalashnikov rifles running around in very sandy sort of environments, presumably. And I'm sure that I'm completely missing the real, real day to day Afghanistan. You know, the towns, the cities, the people. But that's the media Bias I have. That's the pictures I see all the time.
Absolutely. And, and I think this is where a word that I bring up a lot comes in compassion. I think that it is the responsibility of those of us who want you to see Afghanistan more broadly to understand with some compassion that that's the image that you were given and that that's not a decision you made to think that of Afghanistan you didn't decide. I want to just picture Sandy, you know, dry desert and guns and men. That's what you were given. So I really approach it now in a different way than I might have before where, you know, in my younger years I might have been defensive of. Why. Why would you only think that of where I'm from when it's so different? And, and I think the time has done this for me and really just reassessing.
If I want to be positive about where I'm from and the reality of how beautiful it is, then I have to remember that I came in with without knowing that how am I to expect that anyone else should know it organically? And that includes people who are of Afghan origin. It's not a message that I direct just at those who may not know much about the country. Our own, I would say Afghans in exile, the diaspora, however we want to. To label them, they've also had a limited access. I also myself had a limited access. So I really like to realise that fair enough, that's all you saw. That's. And that's not on you.
And absolutely. It does not reflect the day to day life. It doesn't reflect the day to day communities. It doesn't reflect the beauty or the positivity or the. You know, resilience is a word I don't really love, but you also see it from a place of Afghans are victims of war. But no, resilience is also maintaining who you are and maintaining the strength of your culture despite the war. And that's hard to see from what, you know, we've got access to because.
In that, in that region of the world there's lots of countries with the kind of the stan ends, Kazakhstan, Afghanistan. There's lots of. That's kind of that region where you want a bigger nation that's split into various countries or we all very virulently independent.
Afghanistan itself has a history that's over 5,000 years old. So there were empires that you could define if you go far back enough. But I think that's to be said for any part of the world. The word stand just Means land of. So it's, you know, when the UK had a strong role in creating the Pakistan, for example, it was using the language that was similar to existing countries in the region.
I've learned something now. So Kurdistan, land of the Kurds. Afghanistan, land of the Afghans. Wow. I can feel completely educated now.
Well, let's not go too deep into the historical facts, because it's not my. It's not necessarily my forte, but, yeah, just organically I learn as I'm part of it.
So Afghanistan, over the last, As I say, 50, 60 years, has gone through a cultural evolution and then due to various troubles and wars and regimes, it's gone in and out of freedoms for women, for girls. And we're currently living in a time where a lot of the freedoms that women and girls have experienced for almost. Almost a generation have almost been taken away overnight. And that must be quite heartbreaking for you.
Yeah, it's devastating because for many reasons, it's devastating. One, that it's a complete violation of their very basic right. Two, that it's being, I think, labelled as some decision made by the community itself, which is not true. It's an imposed violation of their rights. It's also being, I think, oftentimes labelled as part of our culture, which it's not. And history proves that for me. I don't need to just. I don't need to just stomp my feet and say, that's not who we are.
Our history will show you that we had women in high positions of political power and ministers and a very good representation in society, oftentimes before the west did the right to vote very early. So, you know, the history can show you that our community supports women in society when the atmosphere allows for it, when security allows for it. War has always impacted women first and foremost in loss of rights. And Afghanistan, unfortunately, I wish it was even only 50, 60 years, we were going back a hundred more of instability. We have pockets that we've had of, I would call it, breathing space for Afghan society, when and which has never meant that we were fully free and able to sort of rebuild and be who we want to be. But let's say pockets of security. When women could come out and attempt to re. Rebuild, rejoin society, those were in pockets.
So when you look at pockets, you can look at it as the potential or you can look at it as, oh, they were just influenced by what. But that's not true, because no matter who was attempting to control Afghanistan, when there was a bit of security, women were out. And now that we don't even have any security. Women are still out there demanding that they be heard and seen and given their, given their rights. Despite all the danger and lack of support, they're still out protesting.
Are they being heard at all though? Are they making any difference at all or are they the men in society that are basically drowning them out?
Well, the men in society are either part of the oppressed community that they are and who. I, you know, I think we need to understand that there's a difference between who is oppressing Afghanistan from sort of that political space and, and the community itself. The community itself includes men who are defending women. It includes men who want, you know, their wives and sisters and daughters in school who, you know. So it's not really that. I don't think it's as necessarily nuanced as some people want to make it. At the end of the day, it's the laws and decrees coming in from the Taliban that are holding women in the position that they are society wise. That's not where it's coming from solely, absolutely at all.
How were the. I can ask this question. I'm not sure I know it's the right question, but how were the Taliban allowed to get this control over the, over the region? How did that, how are they allowed? Because people must have seen it coming.
You said they weren't voted and I can tell you that people and the communities, for the most part, I can't speak for everyone, no one can ever speak for everyone, but travelled to a lot of the provinces of Afghanistan. There are 34, I've been to 30. A lot of Afghans who are born and raised in Afghanistan haven't seen as much of the country as I have or spoken to as many new women in different. Women and families in different parts of the country and different, with different livelihoods. And they feared the return of Taliban the entire time because it meant. They knew what it meant. They knew that it was. That they wouldn't have changed and that they would be oppressive as they had been in the past.
It's also worth. We're not going to, you know, hopefully go too, too deep into politics and how we got here. But it is worth noting that the Taliban and their ideology is foreign to Afghanistan. They were not even schooled in Afghanistan, so we'll leave it at that. It is not something welcome and they have not been voted in and how did they get there? Also includes the role of Afghanistan's own unfortunately quite corrupt government and it also very much includes the many, many countries that came into Afghanistan under the guise of saviorism and said, we're here to liberate the women of Afghanistan and we're here to fight terrorism. And then suddenly changed their mind and decided none of that was important overnight and left. So there's a lot of, I think, hands involved in how we got here. Unfortunately, it's not just straightforward.
It's this guy's fault how we got to this level of a person. It's just everybody's in a sense, really. It was a quite a messy, messy buildup.
See, I'm assuming you must have many friends still there living under this rule. Are you able to communicate with them or is their communication shut down?
No, in this day and age, we have the Internet, we have the phone. It's not. They're not. Yeah, no, they've got the means to communicate.
Yeah, no, sorry. I wasn't suggesting that they were suddenly some backwards society, but I was wondering what controls were in place. Internet restrictions. Are women allowed to use technology? I don't know how it works in the household. I mean, out in the street, I guess there's enforcement. But inside households, is it a fairly free regime?
Well, a regime is separate from a household. A household makes its own decisions, and the regime are the decrees that are being imposed from. From higher, you know, levels of power. Those are two separate things. So what they decide for you is a decree, and it's a law. And it may represent how you have to present outside of your home. It is not reflective of decisions that people make in their home. It never has been.
Okay, so most people are allowed to carry on their home life and their private lives outside the gaze, if you like, of the people in the street with the freedom to epiphone.
I don't. I wouldn't phrase it that way. I would say that women are confined to the homes, and I wouldn't assume that their own family is saying, we don't want you reading a book. So, you know, they're potentially reading a book in the house, but no, outside of the home. The decrees are not in their favour.
I kind of imagine that the government, if you like, would shut down Internet communications, television broadcasts, and control it, I.
Think might have goals like that. But the decrees don't work overnight. And you have to remember that people, other countries, like the uk, like Canada, like the US For a. For a moment there was, I think I use the word pretending, pretending to monitor them, pretending to care about their violation of human rights. From the UN to the, you know, superpowers of the world, they might Be putting on a show here and there in how slow things move. But they're, they're playful. Their decrees are announced on a regular basis. I believe today they announced that women are not to be on radio anymore.
Initially it was women and men shouldn't be on radio together, and now it's women gone altogether. Wouldn't. I would be open to being corrected on that, because I just saw that today. But the list is. Is horrendously long of things that they have announced. But announced is different than imposed. But you still don't want to live in a country where the law says you're not allowed to go to school, the law says you're not allowed to be in a park because they can enforce their laws. They do.
Yeah. It's. I have no point of reference to understand how or why people think this way. And it's, It's a, It's a really. I'm sure many of the people listen to this, don't understand how, how you can oppress somebody so greatly.
Ask this when we're thinking about what is a cult? What does a cult do? How is a cult reach the point where they're a cult and they are oppressing their own members and they're oppressing and they want the entire society to live like them. It's not different.
Yes, I hear you, and you're right. I. I guess I've never lived in that sort of environment where my fundamental right to walk down the street is being questioned. Okay. As a, As a trans woman, I feel that there's some people out there that probably want that of me, you know, to hide me, to erase me and to, to eradicate me.
But law protects you.
Yeah, the law in the UK certainly does. I mean, the law in some other countries probably wouldn't, but yeah, it's. Yeah, it's. It's even worse when the law actively legislates against you is the issue, isn't it? And that's. That's what we're seeing in Afghanistan right now with the women.
It's a great way to put it. Absolutely.
Yeah. Where you think they were there to protect you, they're actually there to do you the harm. And, yeah, it's extremely sad. And I don't want to spend the entire episode just talking about that, because I know you're a bigger person than just an Afghani or a person with Afghani history and spending many years there. So what does excite you these days?
I would say that after Afghanistan fell to Taliban, just, you know, to segue from it, it was, was in kind of what I would describe as an emergency state. You know, trying imagining that they're only gonna last six months. But we've gotta help the people that are there and the people who are in immediate danger. And in my case life right now, I think I'm just, we're now almost at four years and I'm, I'm just grounding into what do I do with this and what do I do when I look at this as long term, as potentially long term. How do we continue to support, continue to recognise emergencies when they are emergencies. But what does it look like for me to better spaces of understanding both of Afghanistan like we're having in this conversation today of Afghanistan society, of Afghanistan's women also just, you know, supporting people in the healing that has to happen when they've, they're now in exile or when people are meeting an Afghan who is newly in exile. How do we, you know, support that connection? How do we continue to support the, how do we continue to support how people have looked at Afghanistan? You know, from before the Taliban to after the Taliban? It doesn't matter. We've always had that label of war torn country.
And that's not something that I can even put on the Taliban alone. That's something that I put on lack of information and lack of curiosity and lack of sharing of information. So that's, that's where I'm more focused now because that's something tangible that I can make a difference to and I can't change who's in power in Afghanistan and I, I don't want the stress of that always on me. So I try to make an effect where I can make an effect.
So you work with people who've been forcibly disenfranchised, relocated, fleeing the country. Do you have much memory of when you first arrived in Canada as a, as a refugee, stroke immigrant, how you felt at that time in terms of your loss of reference to the culture, lots of reference to your language. How long did it take you to adapt?
Say that would be more my parents story because I was too young. So you know, I'm trying to absorb how that was for them to a point. And I think I saw more of the after effect of that of having to conform a lot and having to be maybe being too sad to talk about the things they missed. It took them a long time to really open up about the positive sides of the country to me outside of home life, meaning, yes, we had the food, we had the music. They, we loved the culture but it was painful for them to discuss the lives that they'd left behind. That took a long time, and I picked up on that, that that was difficult for them. Like I said, I was too young. So I arrived here.
By the time I was four years old, I was already in Canada and in kindergarten. So I wouldn't say that I was affected by the actual transition to the extent that an adult or an older child would be. But I had always, in looking back, I had never had it acknowledged for me that I am a child of a first generation discovering a whole new host country. I had never been acknowledged for my personal loss of, you know, not having a. Not growing up somewhere that my parents even understand. I didn't have guides to tell me what a Canadian upbringing is and what life is going to look like. I think a lot of people in my position, which, again, there are millions of Afghans alone, never mind of other backgrounds, we really do have to fend for ourselves. And there are layers of guilt because we're so lucky while our parents had to flee, and we're so lucky while other people still live in war.
And we rarely take the moment or that time to say we had it bad, too. Not getting caught up in that victimhood and finding a place where we feel powerful, that's where. That's where I want to sort of be part of that narrative, because I.
Always consider it to be a extreme privilege to have been raised and brought up in the country in which I was born, with a language, with a culture where my parents resided. To suddenly find yourself transported effectively the other side of the world, where your, Your. Your language is not understood, you don't understand the other language. Maybe, maybe you've got some understanding of English or French, whichever part of Canada you're in, but it's not inherently part of your first language. Also, you've probably left behind a career, a profession. You could be a doctor, a lawyer, a plumber. You could have a business that you've left behind. And suddenly you've come into a country with effectively nothing.
And it's actually not. It's actually worse than nothing because you haven't got all the things you were used to. You're almost negative what's going. I mean, I can appreciate that people are going, wow, at least I'm safe now, and safety is a big factor. But how hard is it for someone to really grieve, if you like, for their former life?
That's so beautifully asked. Thank you so much. I mean, I. Again, in the context of how my Family got here. My parents are the ones who felt it. However, being that I came back to Canada from Afghanistan and could not return, I felt a degree of what they had felt. I wouldn't call it the same thing, obviously, because I had roots in Canada to return to. I wasn't coming here to start life completely brand new.
However, I lost everything that I had built for myself, the career path that I had wanted, which was to stay in Afghanistan. I had no intention of moving back to Canada permanently, ever. Never wanted to. With due respect to Canada, I love it here, but that was my path that I wanted for myself. And, you know, even down to my belongings are still in Afghanistan, I didn't get to, you know, pack them up nicely and relocate. There was an element of exile in my experience as well, and it's quite overwhelming. It's really, really difficult to feel a connection to where you are now. And in your mind, you realise, intellectually, you realise, I have to start connecting to where I am now.
I will not be back there for the foreseeable future. But that connection is sometimes so difficult that you decide it's better I just don't think about what I used to have. It's better. I just don't think about it and focus on gratitude. And I'm so glad I'm safe. And let me just. Let me just perform well here so that I'm accepted and welcome here, because I do want to show gratitude for my safety, I do want to move on. And I don't know that we really give ourselves that time to grieve.
Any of us, not my experience or my parents or the ones who are born and raised here, who also have a version of that whole of identity, I don't know that we give ourselves that chance. And that's a lot of what I speak about in workshops that I do. Let's recognise that even if the newcomer doesn't recognise it themselves yet.
So when you're running workshops, when you're working with, I guess, Canadians, trying to enlighten them to help other Afghans, other people from other parts of the world who've been displaced to relocated, how do you advise people to embrace other cultures and create that feeling of belonging? Because that's what people want to feel, isn't it, when they come into a country they don't belong at all, and then they have to go through this transitional phase where they start to feel supported. So how can people help?
Yeah, well, when I do workshops for, let's say, service providers, people who already work with newcomers, refugees I mean, I'm working, working with a pretty compassionate group at that point. Like they have the empathy. I think sometimes what is skipped over is when someone moves here from, let's say, Switzerland, we have to realise that that's quite different than someone who's seeking refuge from a war torn country or from a violent situation. And fortunately in Canada and the west, oftentimes the process is the same for everybody. So you welcome them, you show them the ropes and you call it a day. And what I'm asking for is, especially with youth, to really show another layer of compassion for what they've had to, you know, the fact that they didn't leave with the same kind of choice that some others might have, the fact that they might have certain traumas that they need to address and that we need to incorporate into that welcoming and it's for the betterment of everyone. It's not like, hey, do them a favour, they're sad. It's more so, you know, as a society to have a coming from a place of healing and mental health.
We want that for our host country as well. We want Canada to have teenagers who integrate in a healthy way, not teenagers who suppress all of the trauma that they've seen, only to grow up, you know, unable to really become a member of society that is, is functioning from a more healed place, feeling more welcome, being allowed to acknowledge what they've gone through. So that's like a missing element that I acknowledge with service workers. When I work, I speak at class classrooms and like a university gender studies class, it'll differ. And they usually come with some, essentially always come with some, wanting to understand and be empathetic. And that's the greatest first step. I don't think I would even be willing to speak to a group that I don't feel has that first step because then I'm just talking at you. You want to have your stereotypes about us and you want to stick with them.
I will allow it. Go for it. I'm not here, I don't have that kind of energy. But when someone wants to learn about, you know, what are they? What had, what did they face, what did they let go of, what did they lose? What do they fight for? Do they even like their country? Aren't they just happy to get out of it? Like, what's there to like about Afghanistan? Those kind of conversations make me happy because that's when I can make a change in how someone views the people of the country I'm from.
And those are questions going through my mind as well, at the moment, you know, it's. I was, I wasn't actually born in the uk, but I was, I was born with my parents being in Singapore at the time. But I, I relocated back to the UK when I was a year and a half. When I was over in Singapore, I lived in the community of other naval personnel, if it's all right. Whilst I've always felt that I was never a native, I've always been a native, if that makes sense. I've always had this identity of being born elsewhere. Even second, third or even fourth generation migrants, immigrants still feel that connect with their motherland or fatherland, however you want to describe it, and that's really important. How does Canadian culture, if you like, embrace the Afghan culture and allow the people who have come into these communities to still express themselves? Or is there a lot of inherent repression and bias, if you like.
I think systematically Canada is quite good. I don't think it's perfect, I think there's lots of room to grow. But I think it's. Canada describes itself as a mosaic rather than a melting pot, which is beautiful. I think the intent is quite good. As for how communities actually sort of take charge in learning about each other, take a more active role in that healing process for newcomers, that there's a lot of room for improvement there and that's where the change really happens. I appreciate, you know, acknowledgment of our holidays from the Prime Minister. Sure, great.
But it's not, it's. It's very beautiful. And the symbolism of it, I didn't have that growing up. I know it means a lot. I know seeing us on TV shows and in programme, it's great. But I do separate, systematic acknowledgement of these cultures to the actual day to day life and how we are embraced and how much we learn about each other. And I prefer the more grassroots sort of, you know, let's look at how we're actually accepting each other and learning about each other and that there's so much room to grow in that I don't know that we make an effort. And again, I will repeat, this includes people who are from those countries.
This is not like, you know, white people don't love Afghans and I'm mad about it. No, I mean even Afghans don't know about Afghanistan and that could be said the same for other similar countries or anyone who's left their country of origin. And it's not a blame thing, it's that we don't have the access and we don't Ask the questions. And we don't know that. That's our responsibility. We have to. We don't learn. Just.
You can't depend on media to teach you nuance. It never will.
You meant to the media there. So when you in Afghanistan, I believe you were involved with media, is that. That was your profession, if you like, in Afghanistan?
That's right. So I mostly was working in educational programming for children. So I did the Sesame street for Afghanistan for a while with, developed a show that highlighted children from different provinces and highlighted the Afghan Scouts programme that was with boys and girls. So a lot of children and education focused content, but also PSAs that supported public service messages. So basically health and safety and all that kind of stuff. It was a. Somewhere between advertising and educational content and, you know, touching base on many of those things, radio and television mainly.
Have you been able to bring that skill back into Canada? Are you still involved with the media?
To the extent that I want this kind of connection fostered. I do speak and I do attend events and I am on media at times as well. But I do think my path is a little different from what people oftentimes just want to repeat. They want to have a roundtable where everyone's saying the same thing. And I. That tires me out quite a bit. I really want to say, I don't always want to talk about how did we get to this terrible state. I don't always want to talk about what is the political solution.
I want to talk about just between us, leave the systems out of it. How are we connecting to each other? And that's not always super welcome on media, is it? People don't want to talk about that grassroots connection as much as they want to talk about overarching, simplified conversations.
So let's dive into that now, then. That's. That's. That's where your passion is.
We already are.
Yeah, yeah. Let's go deeper, let's go deeper. I mean, where do I start? Where do I start? Because I. I know very little about the culture, I know very little about the faith, the. The. The language itself. What's important other than what I'm fed on the media and the news, which, as you say, it's very biassed, it's very polarised and it's there to tell a particular story, to get a particular outcome. How can I, as, as a.
As a white British person living in the uk, understand more and have more empathy for the plight and how to help and support when they're in this country?
That's. That's Wonderful of you to ask and I. I hope anyone listening can see that. I thank you. And I hope that anyone listening to this can see that. That is a pressure that I see on you as someone who's not Afghan and not, you know, knowing much about it, Afghan in this instance, but again, of all visible minorities or however you're labelling them. Labelling. Labelling is important to, to consider because from your side of, of it, where you don't know much and you want to learn, it can be scary.
It can. There can be a fear of being labelled as, you know, this person's ignorant and they look down on us and they, they are, they're from a colonising background. I know that that fear is, you know, ingrained subconsciously in people. Even when they want to be welcoming, they also are met with a lot of anger from people who haven't felt welcome, you know, in their lifetime. So that's something that I think needs to be acknowledged. And the people who are being asked questions are equally responsible. They need to let go of the. They need to create a space of welcoming.
If you don't want to be asked anything about your culture, you can't be angry that someone doesn't know about it and vice versa, if you're not going to have the courage to ask about something, you can't decide, you know, the country. So everybody's got a role to play. Everybody needs to sort of step up and say, the media can't just handle this for me. If I want to learn about other people, I need to ask about them. Now, how do we do that? Respectfully, first of all, I guess know your audience if you're. If. Or know who you're asking. I think there's some personal response, personal gauging of if I were to come across someone who's just anti Canada and I hate it here and they've ruined my.
I'm not going to talk to them about connectivity because they, they don't want to. They want to be angry at, at their commute, an entire race, for example. I can't help that. But if I can see that there's room and I see, for example, you, Joanne, you're curious. You want to know. It's my responsibility to make that space welcoming for you. And it's your responsibility to sort of think of what you want to know, kind of be a little specific about it, so that you're not tasking me with an entire, like, you know, centuries of history to teach you.
Tell me everything. Yeah, tell me everything. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. So there's some moves you can make. I mean, I guess one way to say it. What if I wanted to learn about Sudan? I don't know much about Sudan. I know that there's, you know, a lot of turmoil in Sudan. I don't know much about it. If I were sitting in front of someone Sudanese, I might have some questions about, you know, what does your culture look like? What are some of your favourite parts about your culture? What was your personal experience? This kind of thing. But I would go online and look at maybe some youtubes of Sudan.
What does it look like? We have a lot of access in this day and age that we didn't have before, right? There are YouTubes and YouTube videos. There's content creators that are based currently in the country we're talking about. So why not, like, look at what they're doing, See what they're doing. It's available in English. Learn a recipe, if that's what you know, sort of connects you to a culture. These are beautiful, tiny ways that make an impact on you. As someone who's curious. You feel connected now to Afghanistan.
You've watched a video of one of our greatest meals and dishes and watched a family cook and, you know, they're small moves. You don't have to become an overnight expert in Afghanistan to satisfy the role of a compassionate person towards Afghanistan, of a supporter of an ally. It's that openness that matters.
There can be a danger that you become overly benevolent, where you have this bias assumption that these are poor, helpless people that need your charity, your support, and if you're not careful, you end up coming across as this person who is very patronising in, whilst trying to do good, that they end up missing the point. How can people. I appreciate what you said. There is. Do your research, do the listening. But people are often scared of getting things wrong that they know they don't know and they're worried about their conversation and putting their foot in it. So they say what they think is a nice thing. But the nice thing is actually more patronising by trying to be helpful.
And that's fair. And that's fair. And that's why, like earlier I said, you know, there just has to be some bravery. You have to ask. And you can. You can put a disclaimer in the beginning, like, I don't want to be, you know, patronising when I ask this. I don't know anything about that. What is that? Like, you asked me in that way and I was not at all offended because in all fairness, that's all the access you've had.
Again, responsibility both ways goes both ways. I need to be open to the fact that you didn't have access to the information. You kind of need to realise that. Yeah, you can't. You can't lead with your. The information you've been given. You can't lead thinking like, well, what I saw is this on tv. So that's when it becomes patronising, when you're asking with an idea already in your head.
Have more of an open mind. So that it leaves room for me to say, well, this is what it's like versus me defending Afghanistan against those ideas you already have. Does that make sense? You know, kind of come in with an open slate. That usually kind of changes how the conversation goes. But as far as sort of that condescending saviorism that paints us all as victims. Ooh, that's an epidemic. Yeah, we have. We deal with a lot of that.
Yeah. And I'm sure. I'm sure you do it. I'm sitting there having a conversation with you. Knowing. Knowing what I don't know and knowing the. What I do know is laced with bias. Yeah.
Images in my head. I know all of that. I know that I'm not educated and I know that everything I want to ask is going. Hang on a minute. Is going through a filter in my brain saying, don't be silly. No, no, don't be silly. That's a bias. That's an assumption.
That's all this. But I'm very used to having conversations with people where I don't know. So I have this filter in my brain that says, let's just sanitise that question before it comes out my mouth. I don't always get it right. Don't always get it wrong. But, yeah, it's important that when you are trying to engage and respectfully help people, you have to understand that that person is not helpless, they're not unintelligent. There's almost a superiority of intelligence, isn't there, where someone's language is different, someone's background's different. You're talking about people here who are very capable, very intelligent, professional, academically gifted people who are.
Their only fault is they've been displaced through no fault of their own. And so we have to recognise when we're trying to offer help and support, they want their value back, don't they? They want to. They want to feel that passion and purpose again. They want to go back to some of those skills they already had. So how can we engage people? Because I See examples, I've heard examples where in the UK people have been displaced. There were doctors, there were nurses, they were very good roles. And now they're doing cleaning jobs. And now they're doing this because people only see that side of them.
They're not seeing into their heart and soul, just their perception of them. So that's what we need to help people get over, to understand these people are fully functional, professional, credible human beings who've just been picked up and dropped somewhere else. And now they need your allyship, if you like, to see into their heart, not to invent a story for them.
And, you know, there's a simple solution to that, is ask them about themselves and don't task them with teaching, you know, or speaking for their whole country, because no one would ever ask that of someone in the uk. You know, like, what does everyone in the UK feel about this? What does everyone. You know, it's just, there's a, there's a lack of dignity in that when you're, you're. Because you're, you're essentially grouping everyone together, which is another version of a stereotype. If I sit here and tell you Afghans are all resilient and all of them dislike the Taliban, that's not even fair because I'm imposing me. So if we could just, I think, approach people in general conversation, we're even outside of this Afghanistan conversation we're having. We need to ask people about their personal experience rather than these broad, all encompassing, hey, tell me all about your country and how everyone thinks and feels and experiences life. Tell me about your experience in life.
It will enlighten you. Because I have a Afghanistan lived experience and it's going to reflect a good portion of the population, maybe most of them, but it does, it does allow me to speak from a place where I'm just telling you about my experience. I am not tasked with, you know, altering every stereotype you've had. Maybe some of them, some of what I've lived is similar to what you've heard and it is a stereotype. But it's just, I think people look for this broad stroke answer from us about Afghanistan and that makes it hard to deliver the information and it also makes it hard for you to ask in a way that doesn't, that doesn't make it uncomfortable. But the solution is ask a personal question, ask that person's story. Hey, you do this here in the uk, what, what were you doing where you were, how. What was that like? Was, you know, and, and it becomes just a little bit More relaxed, I think, organically that way.
Do you find it exhausting, personally, to be a professional Afghani advocate, for want of a better way of describing it? So most of what you do is to advocate for Afghani immigrants, creating better lives, creating awareness of immigration and people's lives here. Sometimes you just want to take your shoes off and go, I just want to be meaner. I don't want to be professionally Afghan anymore. I just want to. I want to just be me. I want to go and do my shopping.
Well, I do that. I do that.
Yeah.
I absolutely have gotten to a healthier place where I'm not tasking myself to. As I said earlier in our conversation, I can't get the Taliban out of there. I can't change everyone's mind about Afghanistan. I just go with, you know, what's in front of me, what I can do, what I have the energy to do. And I always appreciate when I'm having a conversation that includes me on a personal level, because that's much healthier to talk about, because I'm not worried that I'm saying something wrong when I say that the Afghans don't like the Taliban. What about the few that do? You know, I'm being. Technically, I'm being incorrect. And that's.
That's a. That's a burden. But at the same time, most people don't experience that as much as I think people from Afghanistan do, specifically Afghan women. So I. I'm often asked questions that begin with the words, as an Afghan woman, dot, dot, dot. Right. It's. You just don't hear that from other countries.
You don't hear someone being asked, as an American woman, you know, speak on behalf of all American women to me now. And that's. No one's tasked with that. You realise that they all have different nuances and different experiences and we don't get that often in our. When we're addressed.
Do you find that quite a cognitive burden? Because, I mean, I'll give you an example. I do a lot of press interviews representing transgender people. You know, they want to know what I think about this. Trans people in sport, trans people in prisons, trans people in this. And suddenly in my head, I know I've got all the people who've got very critical views, I've got all the people who got very positive views, and I've got the trans population all judging me as well. And you think, whatever comes out of my mouth, I've got to try and find this middle ground of appeasement for as many people as possible. Yet, speak my truth. It's a real burden.
We just connected 100% there. That is exactly it, except that I'm being asked about Afghanistan, and I'm also. Yeah, there even is a parallel in the level of oppression we're being asked to, you know, speak about. And you really want to defend the dignity of your community while at the same time acknowledging that there's nuance in there. There's. Each one is an individual human being, and we. We can't lose sense of that. It's losing sense of that that traps us into that exhaustion of it.
You know, media is a little difficult because they are stuck in that loop. I often feel like, all right, well, what is it today? Are we going to paint me, me as in, like, all Afghan women? Because, of course, I represent all of them. But are we represent. Are we trying to get a. Paint a picture of we are victims? Or are you wanting to hear some stories of women who are defying? And then we land back at, isn't it so sad? And then we move on? So it is. It's so repetitive that I'm a little turned off by sort of the mainstream conversations. For that reason, I think you'll ever.
Get to the point where you identify, for whatever way of describing it, as.
A Canadian woman, identify as a Canadian woman.
So you are a Canadian. So as a Canadian woman.
Yeah. And I. No one ever asked me that, because why would I represent all of Canada? Because I have a very unique experience, but so does every other woman in Canada. But I don't identify as only a Canadian woman. I very much identify, honestly, first as an Afghan woman, and then additionally as a Canadian woman. But that's the. That's the choice that I make. The choice I make is to embrace both the worlds I'm from.
Whereas many have decided either one or the other, I choose both. I refuse to let someone tell me I'm not from here or that I'm not from there.
Yeah. So you've got these layers of your identity, who you are, what's important to you. And being Canadian and being Afghani are not conflicting. They're just different parts of your life, different layers of your life, different different experiences, connections you've made. And of course, within that is also the fact you're a woman, the fact that you're of a certain age, the fact that you've got certain upbringing, your family, all those other things factor into that. But it's really hard sometimes for people to see through that, isn't it? And that's the challenge you face. I face it as well, where you're not this label first and people expect you to be that label. And when you go, actually, I just want to watch Netflix.
Yeah. Your identity is important, and you do. Your experience speaks for it. It gives people insight into it, but you don't represent all. And that's not the only thing you are. Right. Like, that's not the only. Your identity isn't.
I'm not just a woman from Afghanistan or just a woman from Canada or, you know. Yeah.
Or just a woman.
Yeah. Or any.
Just a woman. Yeah.
Yeah. We're all very beautifully sort of put together puzzles and. Yeah. It's hard to. It's hard to. It's hard to connect with. It's hard to. It's a struggle to decide whether you want to go into the nuance and not demand that we talk about more layers or accept that people just want to hear a certain amount.
And, hey, let me get out as much of a message as I can to support my community, which I'm sure you relate to. Like, let's at least use this opportunity to offer some dignity to my community, even if they're not gonna ask me really deeper questions, you know, it's a struggle.
So when you kick your shoes off at night, what brings you joy?
When I think I've changed someone's perception in a positive way, and not only their perception of Afghanistan, it's more. It's deeper than that for me, I think, when I've given someone permission to be less hard on themselves for what they do or don't know about identity or about someone else's identity when they're now curious, like, oh, maybe I want to learn more now. And I don't feel as threatened by this community or that community or when someone feels seen or heard. So write, right, to relax. I write short stories, and they're based predominantly. I write short stories and doing a young adult novel as well. And the point of those is. Is to do that is through a fictional world to make you feel welcome to, like, look at the details of Afghan life and see what a day looks like without me sitting there telling you, this is how all Afghan experiences are.
You know, I don't want to do that. So what about if we explore different people? So I write short stories that maybe are from the perspective of an orphan young boy, and then another one might be in the perspective of a woman who works in media. But, yeah, I relate to that. And maybe another one is from the perspective I wrote a story not Long ago about the. From the perspective of the street dogs that run around the city. So when someone reads something that I've written like that and they feel heard and seen, I can't say I have a better feeling than, than that. Like that feels like what I would wish to. To do every day.
So you basically just transcend the lives of one person to be better and to feel better.
To feel better and to feel more motivated. Connect with others and first. But you can't connect with others until you've connected to yourself. Right. You, you just can't.
You have to love yourself before others can love you.
And you're not going to love other people's identities until you love your own. You just can't. You can't. And so that's what my community needs to do sometimes, not all, but sometimes they need to connect with who they are first so that they are less angry at others around them. They lead with anger. I think mainly for the reason that that connection hasn't been fostered independently. First for themselves, but they're angry at others. Why do, why do you stereotype us? But wait, how much do you connect? Personally, I'd like to challenge them to think that way sometimes as well.
Yeah. If we're not careful, we always fall into that. Us and them.
Yeah.
Because we're always us and they are always them. And no matter which side of the fence you're on, you always have an us and a them. And it creates battles, it creates wars, it creates misunderstanding because we're all so dug into our own sense of self that anybody who doesn't fit into that is automatically an outsider. But that's human survival. That's human bias. It's hundred thousand years worth of evolution where we had to look after ourselves. And if you were a stranger from over the hill, you were a threat. And that's kind of how we see each other.
And the animal kingdom does it. Now a strange lion turns up to a pride of lions. It gets attacked for being an outsider either.
You're so right and I appreciate you saying that because it helps. Actually very literally helps me because sometimes I over task myself with no. We must foster these connections at every turn. And to a degree there's always going to be that separation. And I don't want people to essentially like all be alike or all understand each other. You know, you and I were, were speaking before we recorded about how you're not going to understand everyone's point of view or relate to it in some kind of complete way. That's not the goal. Right.
Compassion is not from similar, it comes or the connection isn't formed from being similar. The connection is formed from just having some compassion towards that person. That's it. You don't need to understand their whole life. You just need to have some compassion for it and understand, hey, that person lived a whole different life. And it's equally valuable to mind.
I think it's also respecting the fact you can coexist in a world with people who you don't agree with, where people you don't like, people who don't like you, people who don't understand you can coexist. You don't have to create an argument or a battle. You just have to go, yeah, fine, whatever. If we don't get on, I'll go that way, you can go that way. It doesn't cost me anything. I don't have to argue with you, don't have to tell you you're wrong.
You're speaking like a confident person. We don't have enough confidence in this world to, you know, to fuel that. When you're confident in who you are and connected to your identity and, and you learn as much as you can about yourself, then you're not quite as bothered by someone else's existence.
That's how people do get hung up with this zero sum argument, isn't it? If, if I, you win, I lose, you gain, I get less. And that's a lot of how identity politics or just, just life tends to work. Is we always want to be fairness based. What, what do I get? That's how I judge fairness. Am I getting something I judge bias and media reporting by? Do I get something from that? Otherwise they're talking about the other people, they're getting more than I am. What about my say? And I think that's what we've got to try and let go of that. We keep holding onto that prisoner of belief, don't we? We're going to try and let go of that and say, actually it doesn't matter, I've got enough, I've got sufficient. This person needs more help.
Give them some more help.
It's fight or flight, right? Like you just really feel like if I don't hang on to this tightly, someone's going to take it away. Like that's an energy that a lot of people lead with. It's hard to really accept and come to terms with the fact that there is space for everyone in this world to shine and to be happy and to like live their passions. If we allow for It. We're not really led down that path or led down a path that makes it look like only a couple people can live great lives. And you and the masses, you just fight for those, like, you know, very few opportunities. And that's not reality. The reality is it's disproportionate, systematically.
Not that it's disproportionate because only you should have this opportunity and this other person shouldn't, systematically. We've been, I think, really all around oppressed all around the world in understanding our. Our value, in understanding that we all deserve equal space to each other. It's hard for us to see that.
I've loved chatting. We've been chatting away for over an hour, nearly an hour and a half before we went live. Absolutely fascinating. And I've really enjoyed finding out more about you as a human being, but also some of the experiences you brought with you as you've travelled the world. So, yeah, it's been really fascinating. Thank you very much.
Likewise. Thank you. This is exactly the kind of conversation that, you know, I walk away feeling so good from because I hope we've opened some people's eyes and, if anything, made people feel slightly less threatened about learning about each other or about themselves.
So if people want to get in touch, what's the best way?
I do have a website, minasharif.com that's probably the go to and you can link to my socials from there. So my LinkedIn or my Twitter or my Instagram. On Instagram, I do share a lot of content about Afghanistan to humanise it. Like I said, it's not anyone's fault that they have that war image, but how do we change that? And I try to be a part of, you know, what I. What I want from people. I share photos from my time there, stories from my time there, to sort of let you see what day to day life look like. And the short stories I was telling you about are coming out in a book this summer, which will be available on my website. And I hope that that offers some healing to Afghans who have been far from their country and opens up a window for people who want to learn more about Afghanistan and feel more connected to it.
I really hope that that does something for.
I've just quickly nipped onto your Instagram profile and there's a. Yeah, some great photos on there. So, yeah, I encourage anyone who's listening to. To do the same and just check out real pictures of real people and real stories. Not what the media wanted here, but. Well, actually what this one Afghan woman wants you to see. So this is your perspective, but it's a great perspective, a real human perspective. Thank you.
Thank you. And it's to add to your headlines. No one's denying those headlines. We're just saying it's just a. It's a speck of the truth.
Yeah. The dangers. If we get hung up thinking there's only one story, there's more stories. So say, look at the other stories.
Yeah.
Mina, thank you.
A pleasure. Thank you so much.
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🔖 Titles
Navigating Dual Identities: Building Belonging Across Cultural Borders
Beyond Headlines: Humanising Afghanistan and Fostering Inclusive Connections
Stories Between Worlds: Embracing Cultural Bridges and Belonging
Refuge, Roots, and Resilience: The Search for Home Across Borders
The Power of Storytelling in Creating Global Communities
Compassion in Exile: Addressing Bias and Fostering Understanding
Belonging Without Borders: Lessons on Identity, Empathy, and Inclusion
From War Headlines to Human Stories: Reframing Afghan Narratives
Embracing Mosaic Identities: Forging Connections Across Cultures
Redefining Home: Integration, Healing, and the Path to True Inclusion
A Subtitle - A Single Sentence describing this episode
Mina Sharif explores the complexities of dual identity, the challenges and enrichment of belonging across cultures, and the profound impact of storytelling and compassion in fostering genuine connection and understanding.
Episode Tags
Belonging Across Borders, Afghan Diaspora, Cultural Identity, Refugee Experiences, Empowering Stories, Inclusive Communities, Navigating Dual Heritage, Compassionate Dialogue, Challenging Stereotypes, Creating Connection
Episode Summary with Intro, Key Points and a Takeaway
In this compelling episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood is joined by Mina Sharif for a nuanced exploration of belonging across borders. Together, they unravel the complex realities faced by those living between cultures, particularly refugees and the forcibly displaced. Drawing from Mina’s experiences growing up in Canada after fleeing Afghanistan, returning as an adult, and later re-settling, the conversation reveals how identity is continually shaped by displacement, heritage, and the dualities of life in exile. From discussions of trauma and resilience to the pitfalls of saviourism and media bias, the episode illuminates the deep sense of loss and adaptation experienced by newcomers, as well as the critical need for authentic inclusion and compassion within host communities.
Mina is a writer, media producer, and passionate advocate for cross-cultural understanding through storytelling and empowerment. Raised in Toronto after being exiled from Afghanistan, she returned in 2005 and spent over a decade building educational media projects, including children’s programming such as Afghanistan’s Sesame Street. Now back in Canada, Mina channels her insights into workshops and narrative work, amplifying marginalised voices and highlighting the importance of recognising trauma, healing, and the unique complexities faced by those caught between worlds. Her approach foregrounds empathy, humanises displaced people beyond media stereotypes, and urges hosts and newcomers alike to connect authentically, resist broad categorisations, and embrace the strength found in multifaceted identities.
Mina and Joanne discuss the crucial roles of dignity, curiosity and individual storytelling in nurturing belonging. They challenge assumptions, explore the intersections of Afghan and Canadian identity, and unpack how societies can better accommodate, support, and learn from those recovering from loss and upheaval. The conversation leaves listeners with a powerful reminder: inclusion thrives when we ask thoughtful questions, approach each other without preconceptions, and create space for people to tell their personal stories.
A key takeaway from this episode is the value of seeing displaced individuals as whole people—carrying loss, capability, and culture—with agency and humanity, rather than simply through the lens of victimhood or charity. By listening deeply, fostering empathy, and prioritising genuine human connection, we can collaboratively build spaces where everyone has a chance not only to belong, but to thrive.
📚 Timestamped overview
00:00 Born in Afghanistan and raised in Canada, the speaker grew up as a refugee, bridging two worlds without identity conflict, despite Afghanistan's war-torn reputation.
03:28 In 2005, I returned to Afghanistan as a volunteer for 15 years, bridging my Canadian childhood and Afghan adult experiences. This duality made me an observer of both cultures, highlighting disconnects and connections that inspired my projects.
08:40 Compassion is needed to understand why people have narrow views of Afghanistan; it's the image they've been given, not one they chose. Time and reassessment have led to this perspective.
12:37 Afghan history shows women's high societal roles and early political power, hindered mainly by war and instability, allowing progress only in brief, secure periods.
15:51 The Taliban's ideology is foreign to Afghanistan, and their rise is linked to both Afghanistan's corruption and international interference, including abrupt withdrawals by other nations.
18:31 International responses to human rights violations appear superficial and slow, exemplified by recent decrees restricting women's participation in media.
21:02 After Afghanistan's fall to the Taliban, there was an urgent need to support those in danger. Four years on, the focus shifts to long-term assistance and understanding the societal impact, particularly concerning Afghan women and exiles. The goal is to offer continuous support and challenge perceptions of Afghanistan beyond its war-torn image.
23:52 As a first-generation child in Canada, the author lacked guidance on adapting to a new culture, experiencing unacknowledged loss and guilt amidst the privilege of safety compared to their parents and those in conflict zones.
28:34 Highlight the need for extra compassion and support for refugees, especially youth, who face distinct challenges and traumas compared to other newcomers.
30:54 A person reflects on their identity as someone born in Singapore to British parents, relocating to the UK as a child, and questions cultural integration and expression among immigrants in Canada, particularly Afghan communities.
34:16 Seeks unique dialogue beyond repetitive discussions on political issues.
36:51 Encourage cultural curiosity by respectfully asking questions; everyone plays a part in understanding different cultures, as relying solely on media is insufficient.
39:26 Avoid being patronising when offering help; research and listen to understand needs, as fear of mistakes can lead to unintentional condescension.
44:14 Personal stories offer insight into Afghan experiences and encourage relaxed, meaningful dialogue, rather than relying on stereotypes.
49:11 Identity has many layers, including nationality, gender, and upbringing. These aspects aren't conflicting but can be challenging for others to understand beyond labels.
50:57 Changing perceptions positively, especially about identity and Afghan life, is fulfilling. Writing, including short stories and a young adult novel, aims to make readers curious and feel welcomed into Afghan experiences without making broad generalisations.
55:26 The text discusses the zero-sum mentality, where people perceive gains by others as losses for themselves, influencing views on identity politics and fairness. It suggests moving beyond this mindset to recognise that others may need more help, despite one's own sufficiency.
57:38 Visit minasharif.com for social links and content on Afghanistan. Upcoming book offers stories and insights to connect and heal.
01:00:07 Promoting inclusivity, episode by episode.
📚 Timestamped overview
00:00 Between Worlds: An Afghan-Canadian Journey
03:28 Between Two Worlds: An Observer's Journey
08:40 Compassionate Understanding of Afghanistan
12:37 Afghan Women's Historical Empowerment Journey
15:51 Foreign Influence in Afghanistan's Plight
18:31 Superpowers' Human Rights Pretence
21:02 Afghanistan Crisis: Long-term Support Strategies
23:52 Navigating First-Generation Challenges
28:34 Enhanced Compassion for Refugee Support
30:54 Exploring Identity and Cultural Integration
34:16 Seeking Varied Conversations, Not Conformity
36:51 Cultural Understanding Requires Mutual Effort
39:26 Avoiding Patronising Benevolence
44:14 "Understanding Afghanistan Through Personal Stories"
49:11 Multi-Layered Identity Struggles
50:57 Changing Perceptions Through Storytelling
55:26 Letting Go of Zero-Sum Thinking
57:38 Website Promoting Afghan Stories
01:00:07 Building Inclusivity, Episode by Episode
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🎙️ 𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗪𝗲𝗲𝗸 𝗼𝗻 𝗜𝗻𝗰𝗹𝘂𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗕𝗶𝘁𝗲𝘀: 𝗕𝗲𝗹𝗼𝗻𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗔𝗰𝗿𝗼𝘀𝘀 𝗕𝗼𝗿𝗱𝗲𝗿𝘀 🎙️
🌍 Ever wondered what it feels like to belong to two worlds but fit in neither? Can “being between” actually be a superpower? Find out in this powerful 60-second listen! 🌍
This week, I’m delighted to welcome Mina Sharif, a writer, media producer, and passionate advocate for cross-cultural storytelling and empowerment. Mina’s lived experience as an Afghan-Canadian, straddling continents and identities, offers a truly unique lens on inclusion.
Together, we tackle:
🔑 𝗦𝗲𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗨𝗻𝘀𝗲𝗲𝗻 – How amplifying “voices caught between worlds” reframes belonging in our organisations and communities.
🔑 𝗪𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗪𝗲 𝗠𝗶𝘀𝘀 𝗔𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗤𝘂𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗜𝗱𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗶𝘁𝘆 – Breaking down the myth of a single, static identity (it’s more complex than you think!).
🔑 𝗣𝗿𝗮𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗰𝗮𝗹 𝗕𝗿𝗶𝗱𝗴𝗲-𝗕𝘂𝗶𝗹𝗱𝗶𝗻𝗴 – Everyday steps leaders and teams can take to support newcomers and foster genuine cultural understanding.
Why Listen? “Belonging isn’t a box to tick—it’s an ongoing conversation. Mina’s story is your springboard to rethink how you build cultures where everyone can truly thrive.”
As host of Inclusion Bites, I bring you bold, inspiring conversations every week—spotlighting the reality, challenge, and joy of belonging in today’s world. This brief audiogram is only the beginning.
💬 𝗬𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗻: When have you felt ‘between worlds’? What helped you belong? Drop your insights below 👇 and join the dialogue.
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Belonging Across Borders: The Power of Culture Change | #InclusionBitesPodcast
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Killer Quote:
"You can’t depend on media to teach you nuance. It never will." – Mina Sharif
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Summary Description:
Explore what it truly means to belong across borders in this inspiring conversation between myself, Joanne Lockwood, and Mina Sharif. We dig beneath the surface of headlines to shine a light on authentic culture change, and amplify Positive People Experiences for those forging new paths between cultures. Mina’s powerful narrative—living between Afghanistan and Canada—uncovers how identity, resilience, and compassion build true inclusion. Why listen? This episode challenges stereotypes, equips you with the language of empathy, and shows how healing and belonging can be fostered as part of real societal transformation. Don’t miss our killer insights into grassroots community action and how to make the mosaic of cultures work for everyone. Embrace the call to action: start the positive change in your network today with the focus keyword—Belonging Across Borders.
Outro:
Thank you for tuning in to Inclusion Bites. If you’ve been inspired by our conversation around culture change and Positive People Experiences, please like and subscribe to the channel, and share this episode with your community. For more thought-provoking content, visit SEE Change Happen at https://seechangehappen.co.uk, or listen to the full episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast at https://seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen.
Stay curious, stay kind, and stay inclusive – Joanne Lockwood
ℹ️ Introduction
Welcome to another enlightening episode of Inclusion Bites, hosted by Joanne Lockwood. In this thought-provoking edition titled "Belonging Across Borders," Joanne welcomes Mina Sharif—a writer, media producer, and passionate advocate for cross-cultural storytelling and empowerment. Together, they explore what it means to forge identity and connection while living between cultures, drawing on Mina's unique journey as an Afghan-Canadian who has built communities both in Canada and Afghanistan.
This episode delves into the complexities of identity, belonging, and the challenges—and opportunities—faced by those who navigate life in exile or within diasporic communities. Joanne and Mina tackle questions about cultural adaptation, the nuanced realities behind media portrayals of Afghanistan, and the lived experiences of women under oppressive regimes. Drawing parallels between personal and collective healing, they share stories that encourage compassion, challenge stereotypes, and call listeners to action in creating spaces of genuine inclusion and understanding.
So, whether you’re an HR professional, an EDI practitioner, or simply someone curious about building inclusive cultures, prepare for an insightful conversation that goes well beyond headlines. Let’s journey together to discover new perspectives, foster empathy, and ignite the spark of real change—one bold conversation at a time.
💬 Keywords
inclusion, belonging, societal transformation, cultural identity, Afghan diaspora, refugees, dual identity, cross-cultural connection, community building, media bias, Afghan culture, women’s rights, Taliban regime, exile, integration, mental health, storytelling, compassion, migration, resettlement, grassroots engagement, cultural heritage, empowerment, personal narratives, challenges of adaptation, prejudice, cultural resilience, diversity, support for newcomers, forced displacement
About this Episode
About The Episode:
In this episode, Mina Sharif brings her lived experience as a writer, media producer, and cultural bridge-builder to illuminate what it means to create belonging across borders. She offers thoughtful perspectives on identity, exile, and the challenge of fostering authentic connection between those with displaced roots and host communities. The conversation is an honest exploration of compassion, nuance, and actionable ways to move beyond stereotypes and support genuine inclusion.
Today, we'll cover:
The complexities of dual identity for those straddling cultures and how embracing both can be a source of strength rather than isolation.
Approaches to overcoming negative media stereotypes and encouraging curiosity about the lived realities of less familiar cultures.
Practical guidance for host communities and service providers in supporting refugees and newcomers, including the importance of trauma-informed empathy.
The danger of “saviourism” and patronising assumptions, and strategies to avoid these pitfalls when offering support.
The lasting impact of loss, grief, and resilience for individuals forced to restart their lives in new countries, and why space for healing is crucial.
The difference between symbolic inclusion and genuine grassroots engagement, and how institutions and individuals can bridge this gap.
Why meaningful belonging demands mutual questioning, vulnerability, and a willingness to move past surface-level understanding in pursuit of personal connection.
💡 Speaker bios
Joanne Lockwood is the passionate host of Inclusion Bites, a podcast dedicated to bold conversations that ignite real change. With a deep commitment to exploring the essence of inclusion and belonging, Joanne guides listeners on a journey through untold stories and thought-provoking discussions, challenging the status quo and championing societal transformation. Whether inspiring action over a morning coffee or sparking reflection at the end of the day, Joanne brings people together, reminding everyone that not only do they belong, but they can thrive. As a welcoming voice in the conversation around inclusion, Joanne invites others to share their insights and be part of the collective movement towards a more inclusive world.
💡 Speaker bios
Certainly! Here’s a short bio for Mina Sharif, in British English, written in a summarised story format using the tone and context of the text:
Mina Sharif grew up with a perception of Afghanistan shaped largely by stories of conflict and foreign intervention. Like many outsiders, her imagination conjured images of a rugged, mountainous land marked by war and media headlines—Kalashnikovs, sand, and hardship. Yet, Mina has come to recognise how limited these views are, shaped more by coverage than by everyday reality. She admits to missing the true Afghanistan: its cities, towns, and the lives of ordinary people beyond the lens of adversity. Through her work, Mina seeks to move beyond this media bias, sharing a fuller and richer story of her ancestral home.
❇️ Key topics and bullets
Certainly. Here’s a comprehensive sequence of topics covered in the transcript for the Inclusion Bites Podcast episode “Belonging Across Borders,” complete with relevant sub-topics under each main heading:
1. Introduction to the Podcast
Framing the ethos of Inclusion Bites: bold conversations sparking change
Inviting engagement and listener participation
Positioning of the podcast as a safe space for discussion on inclusion and belonging
2. Welcoming the Guest: Mina Sharif
Mina Sharif’s background (writer, media producer, advocate for cross-cultural bridges)
Mina’s unique “superpower”: amplifying voices caught between worlds
Mina’s life between Canada and Afghanistan
3. Dual Identity and Cultural Belonging
Mina’s upbringing as an Afghan refugee in Canada
Early perceptions of identity and connection to Afghanistan
The experience of returning to Afghanistan as an adult and the impact on identity
The sense of living ‘between worlds’ and the feeling of being an observer
4. Navigating Cultural Dilution and Heritage
The phenomenon of cultural dilution for diaspora communities
Interplay between inherited cultural fragments (stories, food, music) and lived experience
Acceptance of complex identity – not fully belonging to either origin or host nation
5. Building Bridges and Returning ‘Home’
Mina’s unexpected return to Afghanistan and motivations behind it
Challenging preconceived notions and stereotypes upon returning
Seeing dual identity as a superpower rather than a deficit
6. Media Perceptions and Representation of Afghanistan
Western media bias: dominant images of war, conflict, and oppression
The importance of compassion in understanding why such biases exist
Distinction between lived reality and media coverage
The need for counter-narratives and visibility of Afghan day-to-day life
7. Historical and Sociopolitical Context of Afghanistan
Overview of Afghanistan’s ancient history and cultural richness
The etymology of “stan” as “land of”
Evolution of women’s rights and societal roles in Afghanistan pre- and post-conflict
The impact of war and external interventions on Afghan society
8. Current Realities: Women’s Rights and the Taliban
Recent reversals of freedoms for Afghan women and girls
Misconceptions regarding culture, community decisions, and external impositions
Historical roles of women compared to current suppression under the Taliban
Voices of protest and resilience among Afghan women
9. Misconceptions and International Politics
Distinction between the Afghan people and the ruling Taliban regime
Pathways through which the Taliban came to power
The influence of foreign intervention and corrupt governance structures
Impact and aftermath on communities, especially women
10. Daily Life Under Oppression and Exile
Adaptations inside the home versus decrees enforced publicly
Ongoing communication possibilities within Afghanistan despite restrictions
Psychological effects of confinement and reduced freedoms
11. Experiences of Forced Displacement and Exile
The trauma and process of relocation for refugees and exiles
Personal reflections on adaptation and reconciling with loss
The concept of “grieving” one’s former life and unacknowledged hardships
12. Facilitating Belonging and Integration
The challenge of creating belonging for newcomers
The role of service providers, schools, and local communities
Guidance on moving beyond a one-size-fits-all approach for refugees
Emphasising compassion and understanding over mere procedural support
13. Raising Awareness and Building Practical Allyship
The essential role of empathy and asking thoughtful questions
How Canadians welcome Afghan (and other) refugees: systemic mosaic vs grassroots experiences
The importance of moving beyond symbolic gestures to daily meaningful inclusion
Suggestions for individuals to learn about other cultures—beyond headlines
14. Challenges of Representation and ‘Professional Advocacy’
Mina’s experiences as a de facto spokesperson for Afghan women and communities
The exhaustion and burdens of representation, including parallels with LGBTQ+ advocacy
Navigating nuance while being asked to represent or speak for the whole
15. Media Work and Storytelling Mission
Mina’s background in children’s educational media (e.g., Sesame Street Afghanistan)
Bringing skills back to Canada and shifting focus from politics to grassroots human connection
Writing fiction and short stories to humanise the Afghan experience
16. Layers of Identity and Holistic Self
Embracing multifaceted identity: Afghan, Canadian, woman, individual
Rejecting reductionist or monolithic labels
The interplay of personal narrative and communal belonging
17. Psychological Wellbeing, Healing, and Resilience
The importance of connection to self before connecting with others
Promoting healing and mental health for refugees and host communities alike
Encouraging ownership and pride in individual and collective identity
18. Concluding Reflections
The necessity of compassion, acceptance of difference, and the avoidance of ‘us vs them’ dichotomies
Rejecting zero-sum mentalities and fostering coexistence
Final encouragement for listeners to deepen their curiosity and engagement
Mina’s contact details and creative projects for further exploration
This sequence encapsulates the structural flow and key thematic pillars of the episode, reflecting both personal narrative and broader societal implications.
The Hook
Ever felt like you belong everywhere—and nowhere—at the same time? What if living between two worlds is actually your superpower? Get ready to flip the script on identity, belonging, and what it REALLY means to call a place “home.”
Picture this: Two cultures. Competing expectations. The invisible tug-of-war between your roots and your reality. Sound familiar? Discover why feeling “caught between worlds” might just be your secret weapon for building bridges, not barriers.
What if your greatest strength is something others simply don’t see? (Yet.) The next few minutes will challenge everything you think you know about connection, compassion, and healing—especially when the world insists on labels.
Bored of hearing the same old stories about “us” and “them”? So are we. Let’s disrupt the narrative and explore how curiosity (combined with a dash of courage) could transform the way you lead, connect, and make an impact—across ANY border.
Let’s get honest: Does real inclusion stop at tick-boxes and headline talk? OR... can we choose to become part of a global mosaic—where every story matters and everyone really belongs? Time to get uncomfortable, inspired, and truly connected.
🗞️ Newsletter
Subject: Belonging Beyond Borders: Reframing Identity & Inclusion — Inclusion Bites Podcast
Dear Inclusion Bites Community,
What does belonging mean when your story spans continents, cultures, and complex histories? In our latest episode, “Belonging Across Borders,” Joanne Lockwood welcomes Mina Sharif — a writer, media producer, and a powerful advocate for bridging cultures through storytelling.
From Afghanistan to Canada: Living ‘Between Worlds’
Mina opens up about the duality of her identity: born in Afghanistan, raised in Canada as a refugee, and later returning for 15 years to build communities in her homeland. She shares the nuanced journey of “living on a bridge” — never quite fully at home in either culture, but discovering a unique strength: the ability to “see the unseen” and amplify voices caught between worlds. Mina challenges us to stop framing this experience as a loss, and instead, to see dual identity as an enrichment, even a superpower.
Challenging Bias and Compassion Fatigue
Have you ever caught yourself relying on headlines or media tropes to imagine another place or people? Mina addresses the heavily biased narratives about Afghanistan and urges us to meet such misconceptions with compassion, not judgement. "It’s not your fault you only know the headlines," she insists, but it’s on all of us — host communities and those newly arrived — to foster curiosity, ask deeper questions, and challenge simplistic ‘us vs them’ thinking.
Belonging, Healing, and Allyship
A highlight of the episode is Mina’s guidance on helping people who have been forcibly displaced: shifting from basic support to genuine inclusion. She advocates for service providers and local communities to acknowledge both the trauma and the richness that refugees bring, urging us to go beyond surface-level welcomes. “Ask about the individual’s story, not for them to speak for a whole country,” Mina reminds us. The path to inclusion is paved with empathy, personal connection, and the courage to move beyond stereotypes.
The Power of Stories and Small Actions
Mina draws on her background in educational media — from Sesame Street Afghanistan to her forthcoming book of short stories — to humanise history and challenge narratives shaped by conflict. She encourages us all to take simple steps: watch a cooking video, learn a folk song, read a short story, or just listen to a lived experience. Every small act chips away at the distance between ‘us’ and ‘them’.
Let’s Ignite Inclusion (Together)
If Mina’s story resonates, or if you’re looking to take your inclusion practice deeper, listen to the full conversation on our website: Inclusion Bites Podcast - Listen Here.
If you’ve got thoughts, questions, or want to join Joanne as a guest, get in touch: jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk.
Together, we can build a world where nobody has to choose between their histories — and everyone has space to thrive.
Stay curious,
The Inclusion Bites Team
#InclusionBites #Belonging #DualIdentity #PositivePeopleExperiences
P.S. For more everyday stories and photos from Afghanistan that break the mould, visit minasharif.com and connect with Mina on Instagram — real stories, real people, and a fuller picture than any headline.
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Embracing Dual Identity: My Experience on the Inclusion Bites Podcast
As someone who has spent a lifetime straddling continents and cultures, I am always honoured when given the opportunity to share my story and insights with a new audience. Recently, I had the privilege of joining Joanne Lockwood on the Inclusion Bites Podcast, a platform renowned for its commitment to uncovering the nuances of inclusion, belonging, and societal transformation.
Delving into “Belonging Across Borders”
The episode, aptly titled “Belonging Across Borders,” gave me the space to discuss the complexities and power of living between worlds. As a woman born in Afghanistan and raised in Canada, I have long navigated an identity informed by exile, heritage, and renewal. Joanne’s thoughtful approach enabled a candid conversation about the realities faced by people like myself—those whom I described as “living on the bridge between worlds.”
One of the most impactful aspects of our dialogue was exploring how this dual heritage, rather than being a source of perpetual disconnection or victimhood, can be reframed as a “superpower”. I spoke about the privilege of enriching the environment I now live in with the heritage, language, and stories of my ancestors, whilst still embracing my Canadian upbringing. This dual perspective, though sometimes a source of feeling “caught between worlds”, also offers unique opportunities for connection, empathy, and bridge-building.
Addressing Stereotypes and Encouraging Curiosity
Throughout the podcast, Joanne and I discussed how media narratives have far too often reduced Afghanistan to simplistic and negative headlines. I emphasised that whilst war and political shifts have profoundly affected my birthplace, there is a world of beauty, resilience, and day-to-day humanity that rarely makes international news. I encouraged listeners to approach cultural understanding with compassion and curiosity, and to move beyond the images and headlines they are passively given.
Navigating Loss, Grief, and New Beginnings
One of the more personal moments was reflecting on my own journey—both as someone whose family arrived in Canada as refugees, and as someone who returned to Afghanistan for 15 years to help build communities. I shared the emotional complexity of leaving behind a life and career upon returning to Canada, and the ways in which grief and gratitude intertwine for those of us in exile. I highlighted the need for societies to approach newcomers with empathy, recognising both their trauma and the hidden strengths they bring.
The Power of Stories
As a writer and media producer, I believe that storytelling is not just about recounting events but about amplifying voices that are “caught between worlds”. During the episode, I spoke about my commitment to using both fiction and real stories to offer windows into Afghan life—far beyond the stereotypes and beyond simple tales of victimhood. Whether through children’s educational programming or my forthcoming book of short stories, my purpose is to humanise, to connect, and to heal.
Lessons for Allies and Service Providers
Our conversation also turned practical. For those providing services or support to displaced populations, I stressed the importance of acknowledging trauma, embracing cultural differences with genuine curiosity, and moving away from saviour narratives. Creating space for people to tell their personal stories, rather than treating them as monolithic representatives of an entire country or culture, is where true inclusion and belonging begin.
Looking Forward
Being a guest on Inclusion Bites was refreshing in its depth and honesty. Joanne’s genuine interest and willingness to discuss the intricacies of identity allowed me to reach an audience eager to engage with inclusion beyond the buzzwords.
If you are curious about what it means to belong “across borders”, or wish to explore how layered identities can be a strength in diverse societies, I invite you to listen to this episode. Together, let’s move beyond the headlines and learn how to foster spaces where everyone can connect, heal, and thrive.
You can listen to the episode and explore more at seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen, and join the ongoing conversation about inclusion and belonging.
— Mina Sharif
(To learn more about my projects, publications, and to connect with me, please visit minasharif.com or find me on Instagram for real stories and images from Afghanistan.)
Pain Points and Challenges
Certainly! In this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast: Belonging Across Borders, Joanne Lockwood and Mina Sharif explore the nuanced realities of identity, belonging, and the integration of forcibly-displaced individuals within new societies. Below, I’ve curated the major pain points and challenges discussed, along with focused content suggestions addressing these issues.
Key Pain Points and Challenges
Loss and Fragmentation of Identity
Refugees and migrants experience a disconnection from both their heritage and the society they've entered. Many feel they “live between worlds,” never fully fitting into either their country of heritage or their new host country.
Media Bias and Limited Narratives
The dominant media portrayal of countries like Afghanistan is often reduced to conflict, overshadowing daily realities, culture, and humanity. Both refugees and host communities internalise these limited perspectives.
Barriers to Cultural Belonging and Integration
Newcomers face significant hurdles—language, employment barriers, recognition of professional qualifications, and the subtle, ongoing process of building a sense of belonging.
Trauma and Unrecognised Grief
There is often unacknowledged trauma from forced displacement, loss of home, profession, and identity. This is compounded by pressures to “be grateful” and assimilate quickly, with little space to grieve.
Stereotyping and Burden of Representation
Individuals are frequently asked to act as spokespersons for entire communities or cultures, which is an exhausting and unfair cognitive load.
Superficial Allyship and Unintentional Patronisation
Attempts to help can veer into patronising, overly benevolent attitudes, inadvertently reinforcing the perception of “helpless victims.”
Lack of Grassroots Connection in Host Societies
Systemic diversity efforts may be in place, but there remains a persistent lack of genuine, curiosity-driven interpersonal connection between host communities and newcomers.
Ongoing Oppression and Gendered Violence
Mina details the deprivation of women’s rights under Taliban rule and the misunderstandings around where oppression stems from (external imposition vs. local culture).
Addressing These Challenges: Practical Content & Insights
1. Building Bridges: Navigating Between Worlds
Content Focus: Create narratives and workshops centred on the "third identity"—embracing the enrichment that comes from spanning cultures, rather than viewing it solely as a loss.
Action: Encourage open discussions for children and adults of migrant backgrounds to explore and celebrate their hybrid identities.
2. Challenging and Rehumanising Media Narratives
Content Focus: Share day-to-day human stories from underrepresented communities—through podcasts, blogs, and visual media—showcasing real life beyond war and headlines.
Action: Facilitate community storytelling events or digital exhibitions where newcomers share their own stories in their own voices.
3. Fostering Genuine Belonging in Host Countries
Content Focus: Educate service providers and broader society on the distinct needs of forcibly-displaced individuals compared to voluntary migrants.
Action: Organise empathy-building exercises and trauma-informed training sessions to cultivate deeper compassion and allow space for newcomer grief and healing.
4. Moving Beyond Tokenism and Stereotypical Questions
Content Focus: Guide hosts and colleagues on how to ask meaningful, individual-based questions—focusing on personal experiences rather than expecting representation of an entire community.
Action: Develop conversation toolkits that help bridge cultural gaps without leaning into stereotypes or superficial “diversity” checkboxes.
5. Empowering Newcomers’ Skills and Passions
Content Focus: Advocate for recognition and transfer of professional credentials and prior experience, while highlighting stories of resilience and professional success among migrants.
Action: Establish mentoring and networking platforms pairing newcomers with professionals in their fields to rebuild self-worth, confidence, and practical support.
6. Preventing Benevolent Alienation: Authentic Allyship
Content Focus: Inform audiences on the importance of reflexivity—understanding one’s own biases and preconceived notions before attempting to ‘help’.
Action: Run workshops (for both newcomers and hosts) on identifying and dismantling patronising attitudes, fostering mutual respect, and co-creating solutions.
7. Sustaining Grassroots Connection and Curiosity
Content Focus: Prioritise everyday, grassroots actions—cooking together, sharing music, attending each other’s celebrations—over institutional acknowledgements.
Action: Initiate “cultural exchange evenings” in local communities, schools, or workspaces, promoted as fun, welcoming social events rather than formal diversity targets.
8. Addressing Gendered Oppression with Compassion and Context
Content Focus: Contextualise current restrictions on women’s rights, emphasising Afghan history’s progressiveness and clarifying that present oppression is imposed, not cultural.
Action: Collaborate with Afghan women to amplify their voices directly, supporting advocacy campaigns to raise awareness of, and solidarity with, gender rights struggles.
Overarching Guiding Principle
Move from “us versus them” to a mindset of “shared humanity and curiosity.” Whether you’re newly arrived, a host community member, or a service provider, deep questions, authentic curiosity, and mutual respect change the narrative—forging a society where both belonging and individuality flourish.
For more insights and to hear lived experiences in full, subscribe to Inclusion Bites and consider reaching out to Joanne Lockwood at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk to be part of the ongoing inclusion dialogue.
Questions Asked that were insightful
Absolutely—there were several thought-provoking questions in this episode of the Inclusion Bites Podcast, "Belonging Across Borders", that prompted insightful responses from Mina Sharif. These exchanges could form the basis of a valuable FAQ series for your audience. Here are some of the standout questions and the themes they unlocked:
1. How does living between two worlds shape your identity and sense of belonging?
Mina reflected on the complexities of growing up in Canada while having Afghan heritage, and later returning to Afghanistan as an adult. She discussed how straddling two cultures created a unique vantage point, allowing her to see both disconnects and opportunities for connection. Mina emphasised that belonging for those with dual identities is less about fitting squarely into one culture and more about embracing a new, “in-between” space—potentially turning what’s often perceived as a disadvantage into a superpower for bridging cultures.
2. How can host countries help newcomers from countries like Afghanistan to feel a sense of belonging?
Mina highlighted the importance of compassion and curiosity. She suggested that support shouldn’t merely focus on logistics or basic needs, but also on acknowledging the depth of loss and the need for emotional healing among people forcibly displaced from their homelands. She advocated for allowing newcomers the space to grieve and to reconstruct their identities, and for service providers to move beyond “surface-level help” to truly empathetic engagement.
3. What can individuals do to learn about cultures which have been misrepresented in the media?
Responding to Joanne’s question about how someone in the UK could better understand Afghanistan beyond the headlines, Mina advised proactive curiosity—seeking out content from authentic voices, using social media for exposure to real stories, trying out cultural recipes, and, vitally, being open to asking personal questions rather than relying solely on media stereotypes. She stressed the necessity for respectful and specific questions, coupled with an open mind.
4. How can we avoid patronising attitudes when offering help to refugees or newcomers?
Mina addressed the risk of inadvertently slipping into saviourism or benevolent bias. She advised listeners to approach conversations without preconceived notions, emphasising partnership over pity, and focusing on the humanity and individual agency of those they wish to support. She recommended inviting personal stories rather than painting people with a single brush.
5. What are the challenges and emotional burdens faced by those who are expected to represent an entire community in public discourse?
Both Mina and Joanne discussed the pressure to speak for all Afghan women, or all members of a particular marginalised group, in the media or public forums. They opened up about the exhaustion this brings—balancing personal truth, community nuance, and public expectation—and highlighted the importance of allowing people to share their own, individual experiences rather than being compelled to be the spokesperson for an entire demographic.
6. How can societies foster genuine cross-cultural connection and inclusion?
Mina underlined that systematic inclusivity (like public recognition of cultural festivals) is meaningful, but authentic grassroots engagement is where deeper understanding and everyday belonging flourish. This involves everyday acts of curiosity, hospitality, and learning—engaging with both one’s own community and those from other backgrounds, always remembering the limits of what can be learned purely from media.
These questions and their associated themes provide a rich, audience-relevant basis for an FAQ series. They move beyond surface-level diversity topics to unpack the lived realities of cross-cultural identity, practical inclusion, and the nuances of welcoming those from conflict-affected backgrounds.
For more details, or to listen again, visit: Inclusion Bites Podcast – Listen.
To share your own questions or stories, get in touch with Joanne at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk.
Blog article based on the episode
Belonging Across Borders: Navigating Identity and Building Inclusion in a Fragmented World
How do you truly belong when the world insists that you don’t fit neatly into a single box? Imagine carrying pieces of two different worlds within you—the culture of your ancestry and the identity shaped by your upbringing. Now imagine trying to find or create a space where both can thrive, where difference becomes a bridge rather than a barrier. This is the everyday reality explored in Inclusion Bites episode 171, “Belonging Across Borders”, featuring the remarkable writer, media producer, and cultural bridge-builder Mina Sharif.
The Challenge: Neither Here Nor There
Mina’s life unfolds like a tapestry woven across continents and decades. Born in Afghanistan, raised in Canada, and spending much of her adult life rebuilding communities in her homeland, Mina embodies the paradox and power of dual belonging. “I kind of live now between both worlds,” she reflects. “Neither fully in the Canadian childhood that I had been brought up with… neither was I fully connected to Afghanistan.”
This “in-betweenness” frames a modern dilemma faced by millions of people living in diaspora, migration, or exile. How do you honour a heritage you never fully experienced? How do you embrace a new world that may never truly see you as one of its own?
Too often, identity is experienced as fragmentation. Refugees and migrants, especially those forced to leave home under duress, are asked—sometimes even demanded—to assimilate, to silence the culture they bear for the comfort or convenience of the mainstream. Meanwhile, the narratives of their ancestry are frequently shaped by war, displacement, or stereotyping, rarely by the rich day-to-day realities they recall or reimagine.
The Agitation: Stereotypes, Bias, and Invisible Barriers
Mina’s conversation with host Joanne Lockwood casts a harsh light on the realities behind the headlines:
Media Bias: “If I had to picture Afghanistan with my eyes closed,” Joanne admits, “I would see a very rocky, mountainous desert type place with men with Kalashnikov rifles… that’s the media bias I have.” Mina responds with compassion, recognising that most people only know the stories they have been given—and those are often stories of conflict and deprivation, not culture, resilience, or joy.
Loss of Identity: For children of exiled parents, connection to their roots is often mediated by snippets—stories from elders, the taste of traditional food, the strains of remembered music. Integration into a new society brings its own perils: “We really do have to fend for ourselves… [there are] layers of guilt because we’re so lucky while our parents had to flee.”
Invisible Trauma: Beyond the surface gratitude for safety lies unacknowledged grief—the loss of home, profession, language, and a sense of place. “It’s actually worse than nothing,” says Joanne, highlighting how refugees must not only start over, but do so in the shadow of what’s been lost.
Tokenism and Saviourism: Well-meaning gestures or symbolic acknowledgement too often stop short of meaningful belonging. Mina presses us to move beyond surface-level diversity into the harder work of curiosity, connection, and accountability.
The Solution: Compassion, Curiosity, and Creating Spaces of Belonging
What does real inclusion look like? Mina’s story brims with insight and practical guidance, urgently relevant in diverse workplaces, schools, and communities:
1. See the Person, Not the Stereotype
Stop asking people to become cultural spokespersons or caricatures. “Ask them about themselves,” Mina suggests. “Don’t task them with speaking for their whole country.” Focus on personal narratives, unique journeys, and multidimensional identities.
2. Embrace Dual (or Multiple) Identities
Resist the urge to reduce belonging to either/or. “We are maybe blessed to be part of more than one world rather than ostracised from whatever world we’re sitting in.” Honour the richness this brings to everyone—migrants and host societies alike.
3. Champion Curiosity and Humility
Make space for respectful questions. Admit what you don’t know, but take the initiative: “Go online and look at maybe some YouTubes” about a culture, Mina suggests. Learn a recipe, follow real people, and seek out stories beyond the crisis headlines.
4. Humanise Through Story
Whether through media, literature, or casual conversation, elevate stories that reveal the ordinary beauty behind the “war-torn” headline. Mina’s writing—both fictional and documentary—brings to life the everyday resilience, aspirations, and humour of Afghans.
5. Redefine Allyship as Reciprocity
Move beyond charity and saviour complexes. “You have to understand that that person is not helpless… The only fault is they've been displaced through no fault of their own.” Recognising mutual humanity—and shared vulnerability—opens doors to genuine partnership and respect.
6. Support Healing as a Community Process
Trauma is rarely visible, and healing requires both space and understanding. Advocates, service providers, colleagues, friends—even those simply willing to listen—have a shared role in creating safe places for grief, adaptation, and new beginnings.
A Call to Action: From Awareness to Belonging
Mina Sharif’s journey, as explored in “Belonging Across Borders”, is not simply an Afghan or Canadian story. It is a mirror held up to anyone who has ever felt out of place—or who has ever wondered how to help others feel at home. The challenge set by this episode is a radical one: to move from passive acceptance to active inclusion; from superficial understanding to compassionate engagement.
What steps can you take today? Challenge the stories you have inherited about people from other places. Invite curiosity into your conversations. Seek out opportunities to learn, ask, and listen—without burdening others to educate you or speak for everyone who shares their skin, surname, or accent. In your workplace, family, or community, evaluate whether your “inclusion” offers a seat or a voice—and whether both feel real.
Above all, let us remember, as Mina urges, that “we have an opportunity to really be a bridge between two worlds because we are part of two worlds.” Our differences are not disadvantages—they are, in fact, the very stuff of connection and transformation.
Inspired by Mina Sharif’s vision and this episode’s candid conversation, let’s ignite a wave of inclusion that crosses every border—geographical, cultural, or emotional.
Listen to the full episode “Belonging Across Borders” on Inclusion Bites and connect with the ongoing conversation. Want to share your story, challenge, or question? Email host Joanne Lockwood at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk and let your voice help shape a world where everyone, everywhere, can truly belong.
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The standout line from this episode
The standout line from this episode is:
"Maybe we have an opportunity to really be a bridge between two worlds because we are part of two worlds."
❓ Questions
Certainly! Here are 10 discussion questions based directly on this episode of the Inclusion Bites Podcast, “Belonging Across Borders,” featuring Mina Sharif and hosted by Joanne Lockwood:
Dual Identity: Mina Sharif describes living “between two worlds” as both a Canadian and an Afghan. How can embracing a dual or hybrid identity be both empowering and challenging within multicultural societies?
Belonging and Exile: Mina discusses the challenge of forming her Afghan identity largely through second-hand stories and media narratives before reconnecting first-hand as an adult. How do diaspora communities construct a sense of belonging when direct connection to their country of origin is limited or lost?
Media Representation: The conversation raises concerns about the Western media’s portrayal of Afghanistan. In what ways can media bias contribute to stereotypes, and how can more authentic narratives be encouraged?
Women’s Rights and Cultural Misconceptions: Mina refutes the notion that Taliban-imposed restrictions reflect Afghan culture or the will of the community. How important is it to differentiate between state-imposed oppression and broader cultural values, especially concerning women’s rights?
Resilience vs. Victimhood: Mina speaks of resilience as “maintaining who you are” in the face of adversity. How does reframing the narrative from victimhood to resilience change the way society perceives forcibly displaced individuals?
Community Reception and Allyship: The episode discusses the necessity of compassion and curiosity from host communities toward newcomers. What practical steps can individuals and organisations take to foster genuine belonging for refugees and immigrants?
Narratives of Success and Trauma: Mina highlights the difficulty refugees face in acknowledging both gratitude for safety and the grief of loss and dislocation. How can service providers support displaced individuals through this complex emotional landscape?
Questions and Curiosity Without Stereotyping: What strategies can people use to engage meaningfully and respectfully with those from different backgrounds, rather than inadvertently falling into patronising or reductive questioning?
Responsibility in Storytelling: Mina suggests that it is not only non-Afghans, but also members of the Afghan diaspora, who sometimes lack a nuanced understanding of Afghanistan due to limited access. Who holds responsibility for broadening and enriching these narratives, and how might it be achieved?
Personal vs. Collective Identity: The episode repeatedly challenges the idea of speaking for an entire country or people. Why is it important to distinguish between personal experience and collective identity when discussing marginalised or displaced communities?
These questions are designed to stimulate thoughtful reflection and nuanced group conversation, drawing deeply from the themes Mina Sharif and Joanne Lockwood explored on belonging, identity, empathy, and narrative.
FAQs from the Episode
FAQ: Belonging Across Borders — Key Insights from Inclusion Bites Episode 171
1. Who is Mina Sharif and what is her background?
Mina Sharif is a writer, media producer, and advocate for intercultural understanding. Born in Afghanistan and raised in Canada as a refugee, Mina has spent considerable time rebuilding communities in Afghanistan and now resides in Toronto. Her journey bridges two worlds, strongly influencing her passion for cultural connection, storytelling, and amplifying the voices of those “caught between worlds.”
2. What does ‘belonging across borders’ mean in the context of this episode?
Belonging across borders refers to the experience of individuals living between cultures — often shaped by exile, migration, or dual heritage. Mina explores how navigating multiple identities can be both challenging and empowering, encouraging recognition of this state as a unique position that can foster greater empathy and bridge cultural divides, rather than seeing it solely as a loss or dilution of identity.
3. How does living between cultures affect one’s identity?
The podcast highlights that identity for people living between cultures is complex and often in flux. Mina explains that such individuals may never feel complete belonging in either their country of origin or their new home. Rather than viewing this as a deficit, the episode suggests embracing it as a distinctive strength and an opportunity for cultural enrichment, both personally and within their communities.
4. How should host communities support newcomers, especially refugees?
Support goes beyond administrative assistance. Mina advocates for service providers and local communities to show extra compassion to refugees, acknowledging the trauma, loss, and disconnection many experience. This includes providing emotional support, fostering environments of genuine welcome, and recognising the importance of addressing mental health and identity, especially amongst young people forced to adapt to new realities.
5. What are common misconceptions about Afghanistan discussed in the episode?
The episode confronts prevalent media-driven stereotypes about Afghanistan, such as the association with conflict and oppression. Mina stresses that such images do not represent the everyday lives, aspirations, or cultural richness of Afghan people. She calls for compassionate understanding, both for non-Afghans and members of the Afghan diaspora who may internalise or only know their homeland through such limited narratives.
6. How do Afghans and host societies navigate cultural expression and integration?
Canada is cited as an example of a society aiming for a ‘mosaic’ model rather than a ‘melting pot,’ symbolising the value placed on cultural diversity. However, Mina notes that systematic celebration of cultures is not sufficient without active learning, curiosity, and grassroots connections between individuals. True integration thrives when all parties are willing to share, learn, and ask questions with genuine respect.
7. What role does media play in shaping perceptions of Afghanistan and its people?
Media is highlighted as a powerful force in shaping external and internal perceptions. The conversation critiques superficial or singular narratives, stressing the importance of diverse storytelling that captures the nuances of Afghan life. Mina’s own work includes creating children’s educational media to showcase the richness and normality of Afghan experiences beyond conflict.
8. How can people learn more about cultures they are unfamiliar with, such as Afghanistan’s?
The episode encourages proactive curiosity: connect with authentic voices via social media, explore YouTube content, try recipes, attend cultural events, and crucially, ask open, respectful questions of individuals about their personal stories rather than expecting them to represent an entire culture or country.
9. What pitfalls should be avoided when engaging with newcomers from different backgrounds?
Listeners are reminded not to conflate individuals with stereotypes or approach interactions with a saviour complex. Avoid seeing newcomers as inherently helpless or solely in need of charity; instead, recognise their existing strengths, professional backgrounds, and desire for dignity. Ask about personal experiences and aspirations, not merely about trauma or victimhood.
10. How do displaced individuals rebuild a sense of belonging and identity?
Grieving the loss of a former life is natural, and finding a sense of belonging requires time, support, and opportunities to express one’s culture — whether through storytelling, community involvement, or professional reintegration. Mina underlines the need for compassion and patience, both from newcomers towards themselves and from host communities.
11. What personal practices does Mina Sharif recommend for fostering inclusion and empathy?
Writing and storytelling are central to Mina’s approach, allowing her to explore and humanise diverse Afghan experiences. She shares her work widely, aiming to make Afghan culture accessible and relatable. On an individual level, she advocates connecting first with one’s own identity, then reaching out—gently and curiously—to others.
12. Where can listeners connect with Mina Sharif and explore more resources?
Listeners are encouraged to visit Mina’s website (minasharif.com) and her Instagram profile, where she shares photographs and stories from Afghanistan. Her upcoming book of short stories aims to open further windows into Afghan experience, both for those in the diaspora and for anyone wishing to move beyond media tropes.
For more information or to join the conversation, contact the host Joanne Lockwood at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk, and listen to more episodes at Inclusion Bites Podcast.
Tell me more about the guest and their views
The guest featured in this episode is Mina Sharif, a Canadian-based writer, media producer, and passionate advocate for building bridges between cultures. Mina’s unique background straddles two worlds—her early life in Afghanistan and her upbringing and adult life in Canada. She describes her superpower as “seeing the unseen and amplifying voices caught between worlds,” which encapsulates her commitment to storytelling that empowers and connects people across cultural divides.
Core Views and Insights:
1. Multicultural Identity and Belonging:
Mina’s lived experience as both an Afghan and Canadian deeply informs her perspective on belonging. She candidly shares that she exists “on a bridge” between cultures, never feeling completely at home in one or the other. Instead of adopting a victim narrative about this displacement, Mina reframes it: she regards her multicultural identity as a privilege, affording her the ability to bring together disparate worlds and enrich every environment with layered perspectives.
2. Media Representation and Compassion:
Her advocacy is rooted in the need to humanise, not stereotype. Mina notes that Western perceptions of Afghanistan are overwhelmingly shaped by negative media imagery—war, violence, and hardship. She urges listeners to bring compassion to their understanding, recognising these are the only images many have been exposed to. Rather than engaging defensively, Mina seeks to share alternative narratives that showcase Afghan daily life, resilience, and beauty, thus challenging the reductive mainstream view.
3. Women’s Rights and Historical Context:
Mina is vocal about the current plight of Afghan women under Taliban rule, describing the loss of rights as both devastating and misrepresented. She emphasises that such oppression is not culturally inherent, but rather the result of political imposition. Citing Afghanistan’s historical progress, Mina underscores that Afghan society has a legacy of supporting women’s participation in public life, often ahead of Western timelines. She’s careful to distinguish between the actions of a regime and the will of the community.
4. Supporting Refugee Experiences and Healing:
Mina’s work extends to helping newcomers adjust after displacement. She recognises the psychological toll of forced migration—grieving lost homes, careers, and cultural contexts—even when individuals are “lucky” to have reached safety. Through workshops and storytelling, she encourages both host communities and refugees to acknowledge these wounds, moving beyond simple gratitude to authentic healing and integration. Mina advocates for service providers to show deeper empathy for those arriving from traumatic backgrounds and wants to see support systems that are sensitive to these nuanced needs.
5. Encouraging Genuine Curiosity and Respect:
Mina champions grassroots connection over tokenistic recognition. While she appreciates formal acknowledgements—holidays, cultural events—she insists that true integration and belonging come from curiosity, everyday conversation, and mutual respect. She calls for people to be brave in asking questions, while also being sensitive to the personal nature of these stories. Mina guides listeners to approach each individual as a unique person, not merely a representative of an entire country or culture.
6. Personal Approach and Storytelling:
Beyond advocacy, Mina turns to writing fiction and short stories to humanise Afghan experiences, inviting readers to see the country through varied, intimate lenses. She finds joy in shifting perceptions and believes that authentic representation can build compassion.
Summary:
Mina Sharif’s worldview is profoundly shaped by her bicultural journey and commitment to empathy-driven advocacy. She urges us all to move from superficial understanding to meaningful engagement—by listening, asking with respect, and telling stories that reveal shared humanity. Her vision is for integration and belonging that transcends borders, acknowledges pain, and ultimately celebrates the richness of diverse, interconnected lives.
For more about Mina, her work, and her approach to inclusion, you can find her at minasharif.com or through her social media channels shared in the episode.
Ideas for Future Training and Workshops based on this Episode
Certainly! Drawing from the themes, experiences, and insights explored in this episode of the Inclusion Bites Podcast—Belonging Across Borders with Mina Sharif—here are compelling ideas for future training and workshops:
1. Bridging Dual Identities: Navigating Bicultural Belonging
Focus: Addressing the lived reality of individuals who straddle multiple cultures, particularly refugees or second-generation migrants. Explore the challenges and strengths in holding more than one identity, and facilitate dialogue around embracing “both/and” rather than “either/or.”
Format: Reflective exercises, storytelling circles, role play, and guided self-enquiry.
Skills Developed: Cultural humility, empathy, perspective taking, and embracing hybrid identities.
2. Compassionate Curiosity: Asking About ‘The Other’ Without Harm
Focus: Removing the fear, guilt, or discomfort from intercultural questioning. Develop practical tools for engaging with people from minoritised backgrounds in a manner that is curious yet respectful, avoiding saviourism or defensiveness.
Format: Interactive scenarios, language analysis, peer feedback, and microlearning on questions to ask and avoid.
Skills Developed: Constructive curiosity, anti-patronising communication, and confidence in broaching sensitive topics.
3. Trauma-Informed Inclusion: Supporting Those Displaced by Conflict
Focus: Enhancing understanding of the complex trauma and grieving processes that forcibly displaced individuals experience. Move beyond surface-level support to foster genuine healing and inclusion.
Format: Expert-led workshops on trauma responses, group discussions, empathy-building activities, and real-life testimony.
Skills Developed: Trauma awareness, active listening, compassionate engagement, and practical support strategies.
4. Resilience or Resistance? Unpacking Narratives of Strength
Focus: Critical analysis of “resilience” narratives in communities impacted by war or repression. Question whether the term is empowering or diminishing, and explore alternative ways of recognising agency and capacity.
Format: Debate, case study analysis, participant-led storytelling, and media critique.
Skills Developed: Critical thinking, reframing deficit-based narratives, and recognising varied forms of agency.
5. From Headlines to Human Stories: Countering Media Bias
Focus: Challenging monolithic stereotypes perpetuated by mainstream media about countries or cultures in crisis. Guide participants in uncovering day-to-day realities and celebrating nuance.
Format: Media analysis workshops, “myth vs. fact” exercises, guest speakers from affected communities.
Skills Developed: Media literacy, bias recognition, content creation for diverse narratives.
6. Grassroots Belonging: Building Inclusive Communities Beyond Policy
Focus: Moving beyond top-down multicultural mandates to encourage local, everyday acts of inclusion. Equip participants to catalyse change in their schools, workplaces, or neighbourhoods.
Format: Community mapping, action-planning, sharing best practices, and collaborative problem-solving.
Skills Developed: Facilitation, allyship, community organising, and practical inclusion strategies.
7. Personal Story as Social Change: Writing and Sharing Real People’s Lives
Focus: Harnessing the power of personal narrative (e.g., Mina’s short stories and memoir) to build empathy and understanding. Support participants in crafting and sharing their own or others’ stories as a vehicle for change.
Format: Creative writing workshops, storytelling labs, and publication or display opportunities.
Skills Developed: Storytelling, self-expression, and audience engagement.
8. Supporting Youth in Transition: Schools, Identity, and Adaptation
Focus: Recognising and addressing the specific needs of young people transitioning into new countries or cultures. Explore best practice in education and peer support.
Format: Youth-led panels, simulations of newcomer experiences, resource-building.
Skills Developed: Youth mentorship, educational inclusion, and trauma-sensitive teaching.
Each of these training modules can be tailored for specific audiences, such as corporate teams, educators, local authorities, voluntary organisations, or community champions. For further collaboration or to discuss custom workshop development, do reach out to Joanne Lockwood at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk, and explore more at Inclusion Bites Podcast.
These ideas will position your organisation at the vanguard of meaningful inclusion, moving beyond theory into genuine relational and cultural change.
🪡 Threads by Instagram
Belonging knows no borders. Mina Sharif’s journey shows how living between cultures is not a weakness but a unique bridge for connection and empathy—embrace the beauty in your dual heritage.
True inclusion is not just policy—it’s practice. Our societies thrive when we listen to stories that challenge assumptions and showcase hidden strengths in every community.
We reduce whole cultures to headlines, but real life is far richer. Curiosity, compassion, and asking about someone’s lived experience reveal the humanity missing from the news.
Supporting people from displaced backgrounds means more than offering safety—it’s about recognising lost dreams, skills, and identities. Ask who they are, not just where they’re from.
Everyone has a mosaic of identities. Let’s move beyond labels and listen to each person’s story with open minds. It’s in the sharing that we create real belonging.
Leadership Insights - YouTube Short Video Script on Common Problems for Leaders to Address
Leadership Insights Channel
Script:
Are you a leader struggling to bridge cultural divides in your team? Here’s a key insight: Many leaders overlook the hidden challenges faced by people who have roots in more than one culture. The result? Team members may feel isolated or misunderstood, which impacts engagement and well-being.
To tackle this, start by recognising that every person’s story is unique—don’t expect everyone to fit neat categories. Create space for sharing lived experiences beyond just the headlines or stereotypes. Ask open questions that invite personal stories, rather than generalising about whole groups.
Encourage your team to celebrate their differences, treating heritage as an asset rather than a barrier. When you make the effort to listen and learn with genuine curiosity and compassion, you pave the way for everyone to feel seen, heard, and valued.
Lead with empathy, challenge assumptions, and you’ll nurture a culture where everyone truly belongs. That’s real leadership.
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Email Newsletter about this Podcast Episode
Subject: New Episode: Belonging Across Borders – Voices, Stories & Real Inclusion
Hello Inclusion Bites Community,
Exciting news – a brand-new episode has dropped, and this one’s brimming with eye-opening moments! Joanne Lockwood sits down with Mina Sharif, a phenomenal writer, media producer, and champion of cultural bridge-building, for a truly heartfelt conversation you won’t want to miss. The episode is titled “Belonging Across Borders” and it’s a genuine journey through culture, identity, compassion, and the power of being seen.
Here are 5 keys you’ll takeaway from this episode:
Dual Identity as a Superpower
Discover how embracing more than one cultural identity isn’t a burden, but a unique vantage point that enriches both communities.Reframing Stereotypes with Compassion
Learn why it’s crucial to approach cultural misconceptions with empathy and how giving each other space creates deeper understanding.Women’s Rights in Afghanistan—Beyond the Headlines
Hear Mina’s perspective on the resilience of women and the importance of recognising their fight as a reflection of history, not simply tragedy.Real Belonging Starts with Real Curiosity
Pick up tips on how simple, open conversations can foster true inclusion and challenge what’s served up by media bias.The Power of Personal Storytelling
See how storytelling (even from the point of view of Afghan street dogs!) can change narratives, connect communities, and make the world a bit kinder.
Unique Fact from the Episode:
Did you know that Mina Sharif spent 15 years in Afghanistan after growing up in Toronto, and helped create educational programming for children, including an Afghan version of Sesame Street? Talk about bridging worlds through creativity!
It’s your turn to get involved:
Feeling inspired? Tune in to this episode of Inclusion Bites and join the conversation. Reflect on your own assumptions, spark a chat with someone new, or reach out to Joanne at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk—your perspective genuinely matters.
Ready to dive deeper?
You can listen to the latest episode here: Inclusion Bites Podcast.
This episode is a powerful reminder that inclusion isn’t about blending in—it’s about every one of us shining in our own right and seeing the world with fresh eyes. Stay curious, keep asking, and let’s keep building a more connected world, one bold conversation at a time.
Catch you on the next bite!
Warm wishes,
The Inclusion Bites Team
#InclusionBites #BelongingAcrossBorders #PositivePeopleExperiences
Potted Summary
Episode Summary
In this episode of Inclusion Bites, “Belonging Across Borders,” Mina Sharif joins Joanne Lockwood for an illuminating discussion on the lived realities of navigating multiple identities. Mina shares her story of bridging Afghan and Canadian cultures, highlighting challenges faced by refugees and the impact of media-driven perceptions. Together, they explore compassionate allyship, the resilience of immigrant communities, and how embracing diverse narratives nurtures deeper belonging for all.
In This Conversation We Discuss
👉 Dual cultural identity
👉 Media & stereotypes
👉 Compassionate connection
Here Are a Few of Our Favourite Quotable Moments
"Maybe we have an opportunity to really be a bridge between two worlds because we are part of two worlds."
"You can't depend on media to teach you nuance. It never will."
"You can't connect with others until you've connected to yourself. Right. You just can't."
Final Summary & Call to Action
Explore how belonging unfolds across cultural borders, and discover compassionate ways to foster inclusion. Mina’s personal journey and candid reflections will inspire you to look beyond the headlines and embrace meaningful connections. For actionable insight and human stories that challenge the status quo, listen now to “Belonging Across Borders” at Inclusion Bites.
LinkedIn Poll
Opening Summary:
In our latest episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, "Belonging Across Borders," Mina Sharif and Joanne Lockwood explored the realities of identity, culture, and connection for those bridging worlds—especially refugees, immigrants, and those in exile. They discussed the delicate balance between retaining heritage and embracing new cultures, and the importance of compassionate curiosity when supporting newcomers. With nuanced perspectives on allyship and belonging, this episode prompts reflection on how we can foster true inclusion for people from all backgrounds.
Poll Question:
What’s the most valuable way to help newcomers feel a sense of belonging in your workplace or community?
#InclusionBites #Belonging #Diversity #Inclusion
Poll Options:
1️⃣ Listen to their stories 👂
2️⃣ Celebrate their culture 🎉
3️⃣ Offer practical support 🛠️
4️⃣ Challenge our biases 🤔
Why vote:
Your perspective helps shape more inclusive workplaces and communities. Vote and let’s spark a conversation that inspires real change!
Highlight the Importance of this topic on LinkedIn
🌍 Just finished listening to Episode 171 of the Inclusion Bites Podcast: "Belonging Across Borders" with Mina Sharif and Joanne Lockwood — and it left me truly inspired.
Why is this discussion vital for HR, EDI, and all of us in leadership?
💡 It challenges our perceptions of culture, identity, and belonging in a world shaped by migration and complex histories.
✈️ Mina’s journey as an Afghan-Canadian, bridging two worlds, reminds us that DEI isn’t about ticking boxes; it’s about acknowledging every individual’s lived narrative, resilience, and pain — even when we lack the cultural reference points ourselves.
🤝 As EDI professionals, how often do we pause to hold space for personal grief, cultural loss, or the pressure to assimilate? How do our policies move beyond policy — fostering not just inclusion, but genuine belonging?
📚 This episode encourages a shift from ‘helping’ to evoking true allyship: asking, listening, sharing stories, and breaking down saviour complexes. It’s that humility and curiosity that humanises our workplaces.
🧩 It’s a call to see the mosaic, not the stereotypes — and to help newcomers reclaim their value, not simply ‘fit in’.
If you’re working in HR or EDI, put this episode on your must-listen list. Real stories like these are the heart of inclusive transformation.
#InclusionBites #Belonging #DEI #HR #Leadership #Curiosity #MosaicNotMeltingPot
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L&D Insights
Certainly! Here’s an L&D-focused report for Senior Leaders, HR, and EDI professionals, synthesising the core insights and actionable "aha moments" from this episode of Inclusion Bites Podcast: Belonging Across Borders with Mina Sharif and host Joanne Lockwood.
Key Insights & "Aha Moments" 💡
1. The Complexity of Identity
Mina's story highlights the unique dual identities of those living between cultures—particularly refugees and diasporic communities. She dispels the myth that identity can be easily pieced together through heritage or family lore alone. The "aha moment" here is the recognition that, as she puts it, this is not about victimhood or loss, but rather about the strength in blending identities to become “bridges between worlds”. HR and EDI leaders must understand that intersectional identities are not about deficit, but enrichment.
2. Media Narratives Shape Perceptions
Mina emphasises that external perceptions—especially those rooted in war or conflict narratives—are often inherited from media, not lived experience. This realisation calls for leaders to critically examine their own assumptions about minority cultures and to challenge reductive or negative stereotypes within their organisations.
3. Personal Approach Over Stereotyping
An "aha moment" arises in Mina’s pushback against the tendency to group individuals into single-story perspectives (e.g., “as an Afghan woman…”). She champions the value of asking open, personal questions rather than assuming any individual speaks for an entire culture or community. This should drive leaders to interrogate their own language and practices and prioritise person-centred approaches.
4. Grief and Transition Are Under-Recognised
The challenges faced by refugees or those in exile extend well beyond mere logistics. Mina’s emphasis on the silent grief of leaving behind a whole life, and the pressure to immediately show gratitude or assimilate, is profound. Most organisations lack mechanisms to acknowledge this invisible trauma. The "aha" here is the urgent need to create space for reflection, healing, and validation of experience within onboarding and integration processes.
5. Belonging Requires More Than Symbolism
Systemic gestures (celebrating Eid, public statements) are necessary but insufficient. The crux of fostering belonging is ongoing, grassroots curiosity: asking, listening, and learning beyond surface-level inclusion policies. True belonging is cultivated in day-to-day connection, not just in official statements.
What Should Leaders & EDI Pros Do Differently? 🔎
Rethink Onboarding: Design culturally sensitive processes that validate loss and support emotional transition, not just paperwork and compliance.
Encourage Genuine Curiosity: Equip teams to ask open questions and listen to lived experiences, moving away from assumptions or reductive group labels.
Audit Language & Practices: Challenge the “single story” by ensuring policies and conversations allow for complex, multiple identities to be recognised and celebrated.
Build Compassion into Culture: Facilitate workshops or dialogues that address media bias and encourage critical reflection on how narratives shape organisational attitudes.
Shift From ‘Helping’ to Empowering: Avoid patronising benevolence. Involve individuals in decision-making about their integration and actively recognise their existing skills, expertise, or professional background.
Takeaway for L&D and HR Teams:
Leaders must move away from surface inclusion to meaningful action—crafting policies and cultures that create true belonging for those living “between worlds.” Emotional intelligence, open-minded curiosity, and critical reflection on bias are the tools that drive real inclusion. If you want your organisation to thrive, you need to shift from symbolism to daily, lived allyship.
Hashtags for Social Media
#InclusiveLeadership #BelongingMatters #BeyondTheSingleStory #HumaniseInclusion #EDIinsight
🌍✨ Ready to disrupt norms and champion authentic belonging? Let’s spark change—one untold story at a time.
Glossary of Terms and Phrases
## Uncommon Concepts and Terms from the Episode
Below is a curated list of words and phrases used in this episode of Inclusion Bites—“Belonging Across Borders”—along with their implied definitions as demonstrated in the conversation between Joanne Lockwood and Mina Sharif.
### 1. **Diaspora**
- *Definition in context:* Refers to people who have been dispersed from their original homeland, particularly Afghans living outside Afghanistan as discussed by Mina when describing Afghans exiled or resettled in other countries.
### 2. **Dual Identity**
- *Definition in context:* The notion of personally integrating more than one cultural, national, or ethnic identity, often as a result of being raised or living in two different societies, as Mina discusses her Canadian upbringing and Afghan birth.
### 3. **Victimhood**
- *Definition in context:* The state or mindset where individuals or groups primarily identify or are perceived through experiences of oppression or trauma, referenced in the context of cultural bridge-building and identity perception.
### 4. **Saviorism**
- *Definition in context:* The attitude or practice where external actors or countries assume the role of “saviours” for another population, often leading to problematic interventions, as referenced during the discussion of Western involvement in Afghanistan.
### 5. **Cultural Mosaic vs. Melting Pot**
- *Definition in context:* “Mosaic” refers to a model of multicultural integration where diverse groups retain distinct identities (as described for Canada), in contrast to a “melting pot” model, where differences are assimilated into a single national identity.
### 6. **Trauma Suppression**
- *Definition in context:* The process of subduing or not addressing psychological trauma, particularly among refugees and forcibly displaced youth, potentially hindering their integration and well-being.
### 7. **Resilience (with nuance)**
- *Definition in context:* Here, discussed critically, resilience is not merely “surviving adversity” but also maintaining and expressing cultural identity and strength, even amidst prolonged instability or oppression.
### 8. **Allyship**
- *Definition in context:* Active support and advocacy for an oppressed or marginalised group by individuals who are not members of that group—in this episode, especially referring to how host communities can create belonging for refugees and immigrants.
### 9. **Cultural Compassion**
- *Definition in context:* An empathetic understanding that the perceptions others have about a culture often stem from limited exposure or biased media, rather than wilful ignorance.
### 10. **Exile**
- *Definition in context:* The forced departure from one’s country of origin, either permanently or until it is safe or possible to return, often with connotations of loss and involuntariness.
### 11. **Cognitive Burden**
- *Definition in context:* The mental load borne by individuals (e.g., as spokespeople for a country or group) who must constantly represent or defend their collective identities in public discussions.
### 12. **Stereotype Reproduction**
- *Definition in context:* The repeated or reinforced portrayal of narrow or negative images about a people or culture, particularly through media, which informs both outsider and insider perspectives.
### 13. **Grassroots Connection**
- *Definition in context:* Efforts and interactions that occur directly between individuals or within communities, rather than through top-down, hierarchical, or governmental approaches—emphasised by Mina for fostering real inclusion.
### 14. **Forced Displacement**
- *Definition in context:* The involuntary movement of people from their home, typically due to conflict, persecution, or disaster, resulting in the need for resettlement and adaptation in a new country.
### 15. **Integration (with respect to newcomers)**
- *Definition in context:* The process by which refugees or immigrants are able to adapt to and become accepted within a new society, not just by “fitting in” but achieving a sense of belonging.
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These terms and concepts illustrate the multidimensional nature of identity, belonging, and community as explored in depth throughout the episode.SEO Optimised YouTube Content
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Killer Quote:
"Maybe we have an opportunity to really be a bridge between two worlds because we are part of two worlds." - Mina Sharif
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Why Listen
In this compelling episode of Inclusion Bites, I, Joanne Lockwood, sit down with the remarkable Mina Sharif to delve into the transformative power of Belonging Across Borders. If you are seeking genuine stories of culture change and Positive People Experiences, this conversation is your cornerstone. Join us as Mina shares her unique journey of navigating life between Afghanistan and Canada, highlighting the resilience and opportunities that arise when living between two worlds. This episode delivers a nuanced, human perspective often missed in the headlines, and lays out the steps for fostering true belonging in contexts of displacement, integration, and community growth.
Listeners are welcomed into a thoughtful exploration of the Afghan diaspora, reframing the traditional narrative of refugee experience with an emphasis on the strengths and cultural contributions of those who cross borders under challenging circumstances. Mina’s lived experience as both an Afghan and Canadian provides an authentic voice to the realities of migration, dislocation, and the ongoing process of rebuilding a sense of identity and home. As she articulates, this isn't merely about “fitting in”, but about enriching one's new community by bringing forward a mosaic of heritage, values and aspirations.
Throughout our discussion, we uncover the essential role Positive People Experiences play in rebuilding a life after exile. Mina highlights how her journey, initially unexpected, led her to see her dual identity as a superpower, capable of bridging cultures and shaping communities for the better. Her work in Afghanistan—creating media that uplifts children and tells the untold stories of everyday resilience—serves as a blueprint for empowering voices too often drowned out by conflict and stereotype.
Culture change is interwoven through every aspect of this dialogue. We challenge the audience to think beyond the reductive images painted by the media, urging curiosity and compassion as tools for connection. Mina generously shares insight into the perpetual tug-of-war many experience between longing for the familiar and adapting to a new “home”. She provides concrete ways for service providers, community members, and diaspora individuals to shift from focusing on loss and victimhood to celebrating the rare perspective that comes from being 'part of more than one world.’
Listeners are guided through the psychological landscape of displacement: the grief, the guilt, and the pressure to “perform” gratitude. Mina underscores the need for collective healing—not only for newcomers but for host societies as well. Practical techniques for supporting refugees are discussed, such as acknowledging individual stories, providing culturally-sensitive mental health support, and moving beyond performative gestures towards meaningful, grassroots-level inclusion. Listeners will emerge with actionable frameworks for fostering belonging and catalysing culture change within their own spaces—be that the workplace, schools, or neighbourhoods.
The episode goes further than empathy alone. I pose the tough questions Mina is so often asked: what does real integration look like? How do we prevent benevolent intentions from becoming patronising or undermining people’s skills and agency? Mina’s answers provide new language and strategies, from reframing questions to doing independent research and normalising asking about personal rather than collective experiences. She addresses the exhaustion that comes from constantly being an ‘official spokesperspn’ for one’s nationality, offering fresh perspective on how to balance personal wellbeing and advocacy.
By the close, listeners will have seen the immense value that diverse backgrounds, stories, and identities bring to any community. This is as much about Positive People Experiences as it is about sustainable, grassroots-driven Culture Change. If you are eager to move beyond the status quo of diversity conversation and ignite action rooted in compassion, connection, and empowerment, this episode is your essential listen. Let’s build a world where belonging is not only possible, but celebrated—and where every story is recognised as a gateway to greater understanding.
Closing Summary and Call to Action
Let’s recap the essential elements from this illuminating discussion with Mina Sharif, framing them as actionable insights to drive both personal and societal culture change. Here’s how you can carry these learning points forward:
Understand the Dual Perspective
Recognise the unique strengths that arise from bridging multiple cultures.
Value the rich, nuanced identities created by living “between worlds.”
Harness Positive People Experiences for Transformation
Celebrate and amplify the contributions of those from diverse backgrounds.
Reframe negative narratives—such as “victimhood” or “otherness”—to positive, empowering stories about resilience and enrichment.
Foster Culture Change by Listening and Learning
Approach every encounter with openness and a willingness to ask questions.
Avoid grouping individuals by their nationality or background; instead, focus on their personal stories, aspirations, and experiences.
Move Beyond Headlines: Seek the Unseen
Challenge media narratives that only focus on conflict or hardship.
Actively seek out alternative, authentic stories—through social media accounts, books, or direct conversation.
Grow Inclusion at the Grassroots Level
Support everyday actions that build bridges: learning new recipes, celebrating each other’s holidays, or participating in local cultural events.
Remember that policy-level gestures are meaningful, but day-to-day interactions have greater power to foster genuine belonging.
Practise Compassion—On Both Sides
Whether you’re part of the host society or a newcomer, adopt a stance of compassion and curiosity.
Let go of defensiveness and guilt; there is space for everyone’s story and identity.
Address the Grief and Complexity of Displacement
Recognise that newcomers face losses beyond the tangible—language, careers, sense of belonging.
Create spaces where both adults and children can process grief and find new meaning, rather than suppressing or rushing through these stages.
Promote Dignity in Support and Allyship
Avoid viewing newcomers solely through the lens of need or charity.
Recognise professional backgrounds, skills, and aspirations—ensure dignity and agency remain at the centre.
Combat Stereotypes with Individual Connection
Rather than asking for sweeping generalisations (“As an Afghan woman, what do you think?”), engage with individuals as unique persons.
Apply this to every context, workplace and beyond, to dismantle lazy assumptions.
Balance Advocacy with Self-Care
For those working as community spokespeople or advocates, acknowledge the weight of representation and permit yourself to step back when needed.
Find avenues, such as writing or creative expression, that allow you to share experience without being forced into a singular narrative.
Inspire Action within Your Circles
Share the learnings from this episode with colleagues and friends.
Initiate conversations in your own organisation about how to foster true belonging and inclusion.
Reflect on Your Own Role in Culture Change
Ask yourself: How do I contribute to making my community a mosaic, not just a melting pot?
What actions can I take to include, empower, and celebrate those from different backgrounds?
Use Practical Tools for Everyday Inclusion
Do your own research to gain basic knowledge about a person’s background before engaging in conversation.
Adopt humility and bravery in asking questions, instead of defaulting to silence or avoidance.
Stay Alert to Power Dynamics in ‘Helping’
Examine whether your attempts to show kindness or support are actually masking latent biases or assumptions of superiority.
Prioritise approaches that restore autonomy, value, and self-direction to those you’re welcoming or supporting.
Normalise Curiosity and Humanity
Erase barriers to conversation by normalising curiosity and respectful questioning.
Model this in professional, community, and family environments.
Celebrate Progress and Small Wins
Every act of inclusion, no matter how small, contributes to broader culture change.
Recognise and amplify these moments within your own circles.
Remember: Belonging is a Journey, Not a Destination
Accept that integration and culture change are ongoing processes, marked by growth, setbacks, and continual redefinition.
Champion Stories Beyond the Single Narrative
Invite others to confront the “single story” fallacy.
Uplift a spectrum of perspectives from every community—including lesser-known or unexpected voices.
Encourage Creative Expression as Pathways to Healing
Value the arts—writing, photography, music—as tools for individuals to communicate and process their journeys.
Be Part of a Movement
By listening, learning, and engaging, you are already a change agent.
Continue the conversation beyond this episode: apply what you’ve discovered, challenge received wisdom, ignite Positive People Experiences, and drive the culture change our world so desperately needs.
Take these insights, champion them in your own environment, and let’s create more spaces where true belonging—across every border—can flourish.
Outro
Thank you so much for tuning in to the Inclusion Bites Podcast. If you found this conversation meaningful, please do like and subscribe to our channel—it helps amplify these important messages to a wider audience. You can find more information, resources, and upcoming episodes on the SEE Change Happen website at https://seechangehappen.co.uk, or dive straight into more episodes of the Inclusion Bites Podcast at https://seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen.
Let’s keep the momentum going for Positive People Experiences and transformative Culture Change—one conversation at a time.
Stay curious, stay kind, and stay inclusive - Joanne Lockwood
Root Cause Analyst - Why!
Certainly. Let’s use a root cause analysis approach (specifically the “5 Whys” method) to examine one of the central problems presented in this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast: “Belonging Across Borders”.
Key Identified Problem:
Individuals from refugee or immigrant backgrounds (specifically Afghans, in this episode) experience a lack of belonging and are often subject to stereotypes or misunderstood in host societies.
1st Why:
Why do people from refugee or immigrant backgrounds struggle with belonging and face stereotyping in host countries?
Answer:
Because their identities, cultures, and experiences are frequently unknown or misrepresented in mainstream media and public narratives, leading to a reliance on simplistic or negative stereotypes.
2nd Why:
Why are their identities and cultures unknown or misrepresented in mainstream narratives?
Answer:
Because the dominant portrayal comes from media headlines and historic geopolitical events, which often focus on conflict or victimhood and neglect everyday realities, individual successes, and positive contributions.
3rd Why:
Why does media coverage reduce complex cultures and individuals to conflict or victimhood narratives?
Answer:
Because conflict-based stories are considered more newsworthy, attract more attention, and succinctly frame international issues for distant audiences, making nuanced representation less likely.
4th Why:
Why do such news values dominate, and why is there not greater curiosity or more resources dedicated to nuanced, empathetic storytelling and representation?
Answer:
Because there’s a lack of incentive structure in journalism and society at large to seek out, share, or consume more complex stories; additionally, people often lack personal exposure or direct interactions with displaced individuals, making stereotypes easier to cling to.
5th Why:
Why is there a lack of exposure and incentive towards deeper understanding at both institutional and personal levels?
Answer:
Because educational systems, social structures, and communities can be slow to prioritise multicultural awareness, critical media literacy, and inclusive practices. Furthermore, displaced persons themselves may feel reluctance to share, either from trauma, a desire to assimilate, or a fear of not being understood or of being patronised.
Summary of Findings
At the root, the challenge of belonging and persistent stereotyping of displaced individuals is the product of insufficient information flow, lack of curiosity, and institutional inertia—ranging from individual interpersonal engagement to media and systemic educational practices. Both sides of the interaction (host communities and newcomers) are often caught in cycles of low expectations, limited knowledge, and structural disincentives to break the narrative.
Potential Solutions
1. Promote Nuanced Storytelling:
Support platforms and initiatives (e.g., workshops like those Mina runs, local media, and community events) where individuals with lived experience can share their personal narratives, beyond conflict frames.
2. Embed Critical Media Literacy and Global Citizenship Education:
Integrate these skills and perspectives into school curriculums and lifelong learning, encouraging curiosity, empathy, and cross-cultural engagement.
3. Foster Grassroots Connection Opportunities:
Facilitate community programmes where newcomers and established residents meet as equals—storytelling clubs, cultural exchanges, or skills-sharing forums.
4. Encourage Reflexivity in Engagement:
Train both hosts and newcomers to approach interactions open-mindedly, avoiding saviourism and stereotype, but focusing on personal stories, questions, and shared humanity.
5. Institutional Incentives for Inclusive Coverage:
Encourage and reward journalists, educators, and leaders for nuanced, human-focused content that moves beyond headlines to showcase everyday life, complexity, and resilience.
Conclusion:
A sense of belonging is stymied not by inherent incompatibility, but by a deficit of exposure, empathy, and nuance. Addressing the root cause requires both systemic change and individual initiative—from education reform, to media practices, to community-level curiosity and compassion. By unlocking opportunities for real connection and broadening perspectives, societies can nurture belonging across all borders.
Canva Slider Checklist
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Opening Slide | Building truly inclusive workplaces requires more than good intentions. This checklist distils essential best practices for fostering belonging across cultures, especially for those who have experienced displacement or societal marginalisation. Use these points to strengthen your organisation’s capacity for meaningful inclusion and connection. |
Best Practice 1 | Acknowledge Intersectional Identity<br>Recognise the varied, layered identities individuals bring. Moving beyond simplistic labels, value both the visible and unseen aspects of each person’s background. Diverse experiences—including migration, culture, and language—shape perspectives and innovation within your team. |
Best Practice 2 | Facilitate Safe Storytelling Spaces<br>Encourage open dialogue where individuals can share their authentic experiences without fear of stereotyping or dismissal. Parenting curiosity and compassionate inquiry allows all voices to be heard, building mutual respect and reducing unconscious bias within teams and leadership. |
Best Practice 3 | Empower with Agency and Autonomy<br>Offer individuals displaced by circumstance or operating ‘between worlds’ real opportunities to contribute. Engage them in decision-making, value their expertise, and avoid reducing anyone to a single narrative or stereotype, ensuring dignity and professional recognition in all interactions. |
Best Practice 4 | Promote Self-Reflection and Continuous Learning<br>Encourage staff to reflect on their own assumptions and knowledge gaps. Motivate proactive learning about cultures and histories different from their own—through lived experiences, community engagement, or media—rather than relying solely on limited or stereotypical narratives. |
Best Practice 5 | Design for Long-Term Integration, Not Just Immediate Support<br>Develop policies and practices with a long-term perspective, supporting healing, belonging, and connections beyond the initial onboarding phase. Prioritise sustained empathy, mental health support, and cultural competence to ensure diverse talent thrives, not just survives. |
Closing Slide | Ready to build an authentic culture of belonging for all? Connect with Joanne Lockwood and SEE Change Happen to drive sustainable inclusion. Visit https://seechangehappen.co.uk for practical tools and support. Let’s create positive people experiences—one conversation at a time. #Inclusion #Belonging #DEI |
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Blog Title:
Belonging Across Borders: Unpacking Inclusion and Identity with Mina Sharif
Meta Description:
Explore the vibrant conversation between Joanne Lockwood and Mina Sharif as they delve into inclusion, diaspora identity, Afghan culture, gender rights, resettlement, and human connection—embracing the true meaning of belonging across borders.
Creating spaces where people feel a sense of belonging—regardless of their story or starting point—is at the very heart of inclusion. In a recent conversation with Mina Sharif, a writer, media producer, and fierce advocate for amplifying voices between worlds, we journeyed through topics as varied as diaspora identity, Afghan heritage, gender rights, resettlement, and the art of human connection. The dialogue was both rich and challenging, encouraging a deeper reflection on what it means to build bridges and nurture belonging across borders—a phrase that beautifully encapsulates our primary SEO keyword and the underpinning theme of our exchange.
Straddling Worlds: Diaspora Identity and the Art of Belonging Across Borders
When Mina and I explored her journey spanning Afghanistan and Canada, the complexity of diaspora identity took centre stage. Raised in Toronto yet born in Afghanistan, Mina described living perpetually on a bridge between worlds—never entirely anchored in one place or the other. It’s a reality familiar to many in the diaspora: childhood shaped by one culture, adulthood by another, yet never wholly fitting either. What truly stood out was Mina’s conviction that this tension, rather than a loss, could be a kind of superpower. We spoke about the challenge of forging an authentic sense of self with only fragments of memory, tradition, and family stories to draw from. In reframing this identity as enrichment rather than dilution, Mina modelled how we might all learn to celebrate the power of belonging across borders, and see ourselves not as perpetual outsiders, but as bridges—linking worlds, histories, and possibilities.
Is the feeling of 'between-ness' a root for empathy rather than isolation? And how might this shape our own approach to belonging?
Beyond Headlines – Compassionately Reimagining Afghan Culture
Curiosity around Afghanistan is all too often filtered through media images of conflict and calamity. Mina challenged this one-dimensionality with a call for compassion—to realise that our first impressions are simply the sum of the information we’ve been given, not our fault nor a malice. She emphasised the importance of seeing Afghanistan beyond the war, the headlines, and the trauma; recognising both the resilience and the rich heritage at the country’s core. Our exchange delved into the nuances erased by sensationalism—the everyday lives, the vibrant cities and towns, the traditions and celebrations that exist away from the lens of conflict.
What are we missing when we rely on the news, and how can we open ourselves to the untold beauty of other cultures?
The Gender Divide: Women’s Rights and Resistance
We did not shy away from the harrowing turn Afghanistan has faced regarding women’s rights. Mina shared her devastation at seeing freedoms won over generations stripped away almost overnight by the Taliban’s decrees—reiterating that these restrictions are neither organic to the culture nor supported by most Afghan people. The conversation contested the oversimplified view that Afghan men uniformly oppress Afghan women, highlighting instead the many men who support their sisters, mothers, and daughters. Despite suppression, Mina held up the bravery of Afghan women who continue to demand their rights, refusing erasure even in the face of systemic oppression.
How do external narratives both illuminate and distort the realities women face across borders?
Starting Anew: Refugee Resettlement and Grieving the Past
The process of resettlement came alive in Mina’s reflections—she gently illuminated the deep and nuanced sense of loss that accompanies forced migration, from leaving behind family and livelihood to grappling with guilt and gratitude as a survivor. These feelings are often silenced in favour of pressing forward and assimilating. We spoke about the intangible, personal work required to grieve what’s lost while also creating a foothold in a new society. Mina’s own experiences, both as a refugee child and as an adult returning from Afghanistan, offered a layered account of grief, adaptation, and the human necessity for belonging.
What is left unspoken in the resettlement journey, and how do we create empathetic environments for healing and connection?
From Savourism to True Allyship: Navigating Bias and Support
One of our liveliest exchanges revolved around allyship—the delicate balance between offering help and maintaining dignity. Mina noted the risk of 'saviourism', where well-meaning support can tip into patronisation if it fails to respect the skills, knowledge, and agency of those starting anew. We discussed how the simple act of asking personal questions—centred on an individual’s own story, rather than expecting afghans (or any other group) to speak on behalf of an entire nation—can nurture dignity and trust. The emphasis, Mina argued, must be on genuine curiosity and shared humanity, not deficit narratives.
Can we build more inclusive cultures by shifting our perspective from rescue to partnership and shared growth?
The Power of Storytelling: Media Representation and Human Connection
Finally, our conversation turned to Mina’s work in storytelling and media—both in Afghanistan, where she brought educational stories to life for children, and now through her writing, which seeks to reveal the unseen and foster deeper understanding. She challenged the cyclical media focus on victimhood and trauma and called for broader, more diverse narratives. Mina’s approach is to centre authentic human experiences—using stories not simply to inform, but to bridge divides, ignite empathy, and invite readers and listeners into the everyday resilience and joys of Afghan life.
How might we amplify everyday stories and disrupt the single stories that dominate our perceptions?
Conclusion: Bridging the Divide—A Call for Genuine Belonging Across Borders
Reflecting on my exchange with Mina, it’s clear that the true work of inclusion isn’t about erasing difference, but about embracing it—understanding what it feels like to live, lose, adapt, and become. In every part of our conversation, the theme of belonging across borders emerged: not as a finished state, but as a continuous, courageous act. We’re called not to rescue, but to open space—where everyone’s story can be told and everyone’s presence can be valued. That, ultimately, is the promise and power of inclusion.
If you’d like to explore more, connect, or add your perspective, reach me at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk or visit seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen. Let’s continue to build belonging across borders—one real conversation at a time.
Slogans and Image Prompts
Absolutely! Here are standout slogans, soundbites, and quotes from “Belonging Across Borders” (Inclusion Bites Podcast, Episode 171) that are ideal for merchandise or use as hashtags. Each is paired with a detailed AI image generation prompt to bring it to life visually, making your merchandise truly memorable and desirable.
1. "Seeing the Unseen, Amplifying Voices Caught Between Worlds"
Perfect for: T-shirts, notebooks, stickers
AI Image Generation Prompt:
An ethereal double-exposure illustration of a woman’s profile, one side overlayed with a Canadian city skyline and the other with Afghan mountains; shimmering soundwaves emerge from her mouth, transforming into vibrant, iridescent butterflies flying between the two worlds. Bright, yet harmonious colour palette. Mood: Hopeful, empowering, cross-cultural fusion.
2. "We Are Blessed to Be Part of More Than One World"
Perfect for: Mugs, wall prints, greeting cards
AI Image Generation Prompt:
A warm and inviting scene of two hands, each painted with symbols from different cultures (Canadian maple leaves, Afghan geometric patterns), clasped together over a globe that glows from within. Soft, golden hour lighting. Backdrop subtly blends snow-capped Canadian scenery and sun-drenched Afghan landscapes. Mood: Comforting, inclusive, celebratory of diversity.
3. "Ask for Stories, Not Stereotypes"
Perfect for: Tote bags, stickers, notebooks, as hashtag #AskForStoriesNotStereotypes
AI Image Generation Prompt:
An open book with vibrant, diverse faces and speech bubbles rising from its pages. Around the book, cartoon X-marks cross out newspaper headlines and stereotype icons (generic war imagery). The background is a cheerful gradient with doodles representing questions and curiosity. Mood: Playful, bold, inviting dialogue.
4. "Your Identity Isn’t a Single Label"
Perfect for: T-shirts, mugs, laptop stickers, as hashtag #MoreThanALabel
AI Image Generation Prompt:
A collage-style portrait split into colourful puzzle pieces. Each piece shows a different aspect: language, food, profession, personal hobbies, family, faith. The face in the centre radiates joy and complexity, set against a neutral, textured background. Mood: Modern, dynamic, joyful celebration of layered identity.
5. "Compassion is Our Bridge—Not Our Barrier"
Perfect for: Posters, water bottles, desk accessories, as hashtag #CompassionBridges
AI Image Generation Prompt:
A striking arched bridge spanning a river, with people from varied backgrounds joyfully meeting at its centre, exchanging flowers or gifts. The bridge is made of interlocking hearts and infinity symbols. Colours: soft pastels with pops of gold. The sky is clear, sunrays gently shining through. Mood: Uplifting, inclusive, peaceful.
6. "There Is Space for Everyone in This World to Shine"
Perfect for: T-shirts, banners, prints, as hashtag #SpaceToShine
AI Image Generation Prompt:
A cosmic-inspired background with diverse silhouettes standing on stars, each shining with their own unique glow. The stars are varying sizes and colours, symbolising individuality. The night sky transitions to dawn, representing hope and possibility for all. Mood: Majestic, dreamy, optimistic.
7. "Connect First to Yourself, Then to Others"
Perfect for: Mugs, wellness journals, affirmation cards, as hashtag #ConnectWithin
AI Image Generation Prompt:
A tranquil scene of a person, eyes closed in meditation, with gentle ripples expanding outwards. The first ripple contains images of their own thoughts and memories; the outer ripples blend into images of friends, family, and diverse communities. Watercolour style, calming blues and greens. Mood: Reflective, peaceful, self-affirming.
8. "Let’s Ignite the Spark of Inclusion"
Perfect for: Hoodie graphics, motivational posters, as hashtag #InclusionIgnited
AI Image Generation Prompt:
Dynamic, abstract flames in rainbow hues rise from hands joined in a circle. Sparks leap from the flames, forming symbols of accessibility, gender, race, and belonging above. The background is a deep navy, the text glowing as if illuminated by the fire. Mood: Energising, call-to-action, contemporary.
9. "Add to the Headlines: Real Stories Matter"
Perfect for: Stickers, mugs, bookmarks, as hashtag #RealStoriesMatter
AI Image Generation Prompt:
A collage of everyday life—families sharing meals, children playing, friends laughing—overlaid on faded newspaper headlines. One new, bold headline in the centre reads “Real Stories Matter”. Palette is cheerful but grounded, with crisp, photo-realistic elements. Mood: Authentic, reassuring, eye-opening.
10. "Belonging Is Not a Place—It’s a Connection"
Perfect for: Greetings cards, mugs, wall hangings, as hashtag #BelongByConnecting
AI Image Generation Prompt:
A series of interconnected hearts forming a network across a stylised map of the globe. Lines flow between diverse people at different points, their eyes locked in smiles. The background dissolves from city lights to rural landscapes. Mood: Warm, friendly, affirming.
These soundbites encapsulate the heart of the episode and serve as both conversation starters and affirmations. Each prompt encourages the creation of visually compelling and meaningful merchandise that will resonate with a diverse, inclusion-focused audience.
Inclusion Bites Spotlight
Mina Sharif, our guest on Belonging Across Borders, this month’s feature episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, offers a compelling reflection on identity, migration, and the tapestry of belonging. As a writer, media producer, and passionate advocate for cultural storytelling, Mina’s journey bridges continents—born in Afghanistan, raised in Canada, and shaped by years rebuilding communities in her country of origin.
Mina’s story is one of duality and resilience: growing up amid Canadian multiculturalism while never losing sight of her Afghan roots, and later returning to Afghanistan to challenge her inherited assumptions. Her lived experience, caught between worlds, has equipped her with a unique superpower—“seeing the unseen and amplifying voices caught between worlds.” Mina articulates the realities of diaspora life: the longing for home, the piecing together of identity from headlines and memories, and the enrichment that comes from living across borders rather than being defined by them.
Throughout the episode, Mina discusses the complexities of cultural adaptation, the ongoing trauma of displacement, and the nuances of building bridges without erasing individual narratives. She explores the burden—and privilege—of being both a representative and an individual, reflecting honestly on the exhaustion and reward that comes with advocacy. Importantly, her work strives to humanise Afghanistan beyond the dominant media narratives, inviting deeper curiosity, understanding, and compassion.
Mina also delves into the moral imperatives of host societies, urging for more nuanced engagement with resettled communities—encouraging curiosity without condescension, and allyship without saviourism. She highlights the vital interplay between self-compassion and belonging, challenging both newcomers and host communities to foster connection, not just coexistence.
In this powerful conversation, Mina guides us beyond the headlines and offers a personal, hopeful vision of what it means to create inclusive environments—where belonging is not about conformity, but about embracing the richness of layered identities. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of migration, culture, and inclusion.
Discover the full conversation with Mina Sharif on the Inclusion Bites Podcast, and be inspired to see the unseen in those around you.
YouTube Description
YouTube Description for Inclusion Bites Podcast Episode 171: Belonging Across Borders
Opening Hook:
Think you really understand what it means to belong? Challenge your assumptions and discover how ‘home’ is far more complicated—and fascinating—than you’ve ever imagined.
Episode Overview:
In this compelling episode of the Inclusion Bites Podcast, host Joanne Lockwood sits down with Mina Sharif—writer, media producer, and bridge-builder between cultures—to explore the real meaning of belonging, identity, and inclusion across global borders. Raised in Canada after fleeing Afghanistan as a refugee, Mina spent 15 transformative years in her country of birth, only to be displaced anew. Her unique perspective unveils the unseen privileges and challenges faced by those living between worlds, confronting media bias and societal stereotypes head-on.
Mina dismantles the myth of ‘single stories’—especially about Afghanistan—and unveils the richness, resilience, and nuance of lives too often reduced to headlines. Hear what it really takes to build bridges and foster compassion, whether supporting newly-arrived refugees or questioning your own unconscious biases. Mina and Joanne provide personal stories and actionable insights into how meaningful conversations can humanise communities, shift perceptions, and inspire each of us to play an active role in inclusion.
Listen to learn:
Why identity and belonging are multilayered, and how to honour the complexity of lived experience
How to move beyond media stereotypes and approach cultural difference with curiosity (not saviourism)
Practical ways to welcome, support, and empower newcomers in your own community
The importance of compassion, humility, and self-reflection in breaking down the ‘us and them’ mentality
Closing Takeaways & Actions:
Step beyond surface-level understanding. Start real conversations, ask open questions, and challenge your own assumptions. Recognise the dignity and power within every individual’s story—especially those navigating the tension of dual identities. Inclusion is not a destination; it is a daily act, made possible by empathy and genuine connection.
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10 Question Quiz
Inclusion Bites Podcast – Episode Quiz: “Belonging Across Borders”
All questions relate solely to the host, Joanne Lockwood, and her contributions within the episode, focusing on the theme of belonging across borders.
1. How does Joanne position the purpose of Inclusion Bites at the introduction of the episode?
A) As a casual chat show
B) As a place for sharing recipes
C) As a sanctuary for bold conversations about inclusion, belonging, and societal transformation
D) As a business leadership podcast
2. In her dialogue, how does Joanne characterise the relationship between media representation and public perception of Afghanistan?
A) She states the media shows an accurate picture
B) She admits her knowledge is limited and shaped by media bias
C) She claims the media exaggerates positive aspects
D) She ignores media’s influence altogether
3. Which of the following statements best represents Joanne’s approach to discussing her own ignorance regarding Afghan culture?
A) She refuses to discuss the topic due to lack of knowledge
B) She openly admits her bias and asks questions to increase her understanding
C) She claims to know more than her guest
D) She rejects her guest’s explanations
4. When discussing identity, how does Joanne portray her own experience as someone born outside the UK?
A) She claims she felt entirely British with no complications
B) She discusses lingering feelings of being an outsider, even as someone who has long resided in the UK
C) She insists birthplace and identity are always aligned
D) She dismisses the importance of birthplace
5. According to Joanne, what is a crucial danger in relying solely on one narrative about a country or people?
A) It saves time in learning
B) It limits empathy and perpetuates stereotypes
C) It makes research easier
D) It helps build national identity
6. How does Joanne frame the value of engaging with personal stories from people of diverse backgrounds?
A) She believes it leads to confusion
B) She feels it creates connection and moves beyond stereotypes
C) She asserts it’s unnecessary in modern society
D) She avoids personal stories altogether
7. Joanne draws a parallel between which two experiences when reflecting on oppression and belonging?
A) Her time as a chef and as a host
B) Her experience as a trans woman in the UK and the restrictions faced by Afghan women
C) Being a parent and being a guest
D) Working in radio and growing up abroad
8. In regard to helping displaced individuals, what attitude does Joanne advocate for hosts in the receiving country?
A) Indifference
B) Patronising benevolence
C) Empathy and a willingness to learn and ask questions
D) Focusing only on systematic support without personal engagement
9. Which phrase does Joanne use to challenge the notion of a zero-sum game in identity and belonging?
A) “If I win, you must lose.”
B) “There is space for everyone in this world to shine and to be happy and to like live their passions if we allow for it.”
C) “Only the best survive.”
D) “Belonging is a privilege, not a right.”
10. At the end of the podcast, what call to action does Joanne make to listeners?
A) Ignore inclusion efforts, they’re unnecessary
B) Subscribe, share, and reach out to join conversations to help drive inclusive change
C) Focus only on your own community
D) Silence voices that are different from yours
ANSWER KEY & RATIONALE
1. C
Rationale: Joanne frames Inclusion Bites as “your sanctuary for bold conversations that spark change,” focusing on inclusion, belonging, and transformation.
2. B
Rationale: Joanne acknowledges media bias in her own perception and admits her views of Afghanistan were shaped by the war-focused coverage.
3. B
Rationale: Joanne is self-aware, noting her limited knowledge due to media bias, and demonstrates humility by asking her guest questions to learn more.
4. B
Rationale: Joanne discusses feelings of being a permanent outsider, referencing her birth abroad and sense of always being “a native” and not “a native.”
5. B
Rationale: Joanne highlights the shortfall of fixating on a single story, stating it risks missing the real people and their lived experiences, and perpetuates stereotypes.
6. B
Rationale: Joanne asserts that hearing real stories and seeing real pictures help foster empathy, connection, and a more nuanced understanding—beyond stereotypes.
7. B
Rationale: Joanne openly draws on her own experience as a trans woman, relating the legal and cultural restrictions she faces or fears to the experiences of Afghan women.
8. C
Rationale: She champions empathy and a readiness to ask questions as essential for supporting newcomers and fostering inclusion, warning of the risks of patronisation.
9. B
Rationale: Joanne challenges the zero-sum mentality by affirming the inclusivity and expansiveness of belonging: “there is space for everyone in this world to shine...”
10. B
Rationale: Joanne closes by urging listeners to subscribe, share the podcast, and reach out with thoughts—she positions this as a movement for inclusive change.
Summary Paragraph
Joanne Lockwood, as the host of Inclusion Bites, orchestrates the episode “Belonging Across Borders” as a welcoming platform for deep, transformative conversation on the intricacies of inclusion and belonging. She is candid about her own limitations and biases, particularly regarding media-shaped perceptions, and models humility by asking genuine questions to expand her understanding. Joanne’s reflections on personal identity, her birth outside the UK, and the continued sense of otherness resonate with the broader themes of migration and belonging, emphasising that relying on a single narrative limits empathy and entrenches stereotypes. Advocating for engagement with authentic personal stories, Joanne dismantles these stereotypes and champions the value of connection. Drawing parallels between her experiences as a trans woman and the struggles faced by Afghan women, she underscores the universality of exclusion and the urgent need for supportive, empathetic communities. Joanne stresses that inclusion is not a zero-sum game—there is ample space for everyone to belong, thrive, and follow their passions. Ultimately, she encourages listeners to join the cause by subscribing, sharing, and reaching out, framing the podcast not only as a conversation but as a catalyst for positive, sustained change.
Rhyme Scheme and Rhythm Podcast Poetry
Belonging’s Bridge Across Borders
In lands of sand and city light,
Two worlds entwined in mind and sight,
Roots in mountains, stories old,
Yet hearts made new where snows unfold.
Here, children gather borrowed tongues,
In exile’s dawn, their hopes among
The scraps and headlines, torn and raw,
Of places that their parents saw.
Oh, how identity can bend,
When forced by war and lines to mend;
Fragments carried, food and song,
A longing lost, yet spirits strong.
Do we belong in where we stand,
Or in the faded, distant land?
Perhaps in both, or in between,
Where newness grafts on what has been.
History marks with wounds and pride
The times that women thrived beside
Their brothers in decision’s seat—
Not shadows now, nor in defeat.
But power’s boot and ignorance
Have stifled dreams, denied the dance.
Yet still, a spark persists to rise
In kitchens, streets, and hopeful eyes.
We grieve the past, its stolen ease,
The homes unmade, the memories.
Yet with each step in places new,
Compassion’s call asks: "What to do?"
Not saviour’s hand nor pity’s glance,
But courage simply to advance—
To listen, learn, and curiosity
Replace the chilling us-and-them philosophy.
So sit, and sip, and let us start
To bridge the unseen in the heart.
The stories carried, pain and pride—
In them, our worlds are unified.
Connection’s strength—our greatest tool,
To build a world that's just and cool.
We all belong; let questions flow,
For empathy expands the soul.
Would you walk this path and add your light?
Subscribe and share, let voices unite.
With thanks to Mina Sharif for a fascinating podcast episode.
Key Learnings
Key Learning and Takeaway from the Episode:
The central insight from "Belonging Across Borders" is the profound importance of recognising and embracing the complexities of identity for those living between cultures, particularly refugees and migrants. True inclusion is achieved not simply through symbolic gestures, but through meaningful curiosity, compassion, and the willingness to recognise dual identities as strengths, not deficits. Creating belonging demands an openness to personal narratives, rejection of stereotypes, and a commitment to humanise beyond media-driven perceptions.
Point #1: Nuanced Identity and Belonging
Identity for those living between cultures, such as refugees and diaspora communities, is never a simple binary. Individuals often occupy new, unique spaces that demand society’s empathy rather than its suspicion. Accepting and valuing this duality empowers individuals and wider communities.
Point #2: Curiosity Over Assumptions
Inclusion flourishes when we replace assumptions with genuine questions about culture, heritage, and personal stories. Avoid asking for monolithic explanations—focus on individual experiences rather than expecting anyone to speak for an entire nationality or group.
Point #3: Rejecting Stereotypes and Media Bias
Media images are frequently reductive, shaping how outsiders perceive countries like Afghanistan. Personal narratives, lived experience, and storytelling are essential to broaden and correct these perceptions, moving beyond a focus on conflict or victimhood.
Point #4: Compassion Is a Two-Way Street
Both host communities and newcomers hold responsibility: hosts should create welcoming spaces for open dialogue, but newcomers should also feel empowered to share authentically. Compassion must operate in both directions for true mutual understanding and support.
Maxims to live by…
Maxims for Belonging Across Borders
See Beyond Headlines
Look for the humanity and depth in every culture, beyond the limitations of media portrayals and stereotypes.Embrace Duality
Recognise the enrichment that comes from holding more than one identity; straddling cultures is a strength, not a deficiency.Compassion Before Judgement
Approach unfamiliar experiences and communities with empathy, acknowledging that people are more than the sum of their circumstances.Honour Individual Stories
Invite and respect personal experiences rather than expecting individuals to speak on behalf of an entire group or country.Let Go of Victimhood and Anger
Choose to see cross-cultural identity as a blessing rather than a loss, focusing on opportunities for bridge-building.Ask, Listen, Learn
Be courageous in asking questions, openly seeking to understand, and always listening without preconceived notions.Make Room for Grief and Growth
Allow yourself and others the necessary space to mourn loss—of homeland, culture, status—while supporting pathways to belonging and healing.Move Beyond ‘Us vs Them’
Recognise shared humanity and allow for diverse perspectives without reinforcing dividing lines.Challenge Your Own Biases
Actively acknowledge internalised stereotypes or assumptions, questioning their origins, and seek broader understanding.Respect All Forms of Resilience
Understand that resilience is not only surviving hardship, but also maintaining cultural identity, dignity, and purpose against adversity.Be a Thoughtful Ally
Support people as whole, capable individuals, not merely through pity or benevolent assumptions, but by recognising and valuing their experiences and skills.Promote Healing Through Storytelling
Share and consume narratives that foster connection, nuance, and healing, taking ownership for counteracting the dominance of a single story.Celebrate the Mosaic
Value the symbolic and grassroots actions that make multicultural societies flourish; real connection happens person-to-person, not just system-to-system.Lead With Openness
Approach cross-cultural encounters with humility—assume you have something to learn rather than something to fix.Foster Curiosity, Not Fear
Replace anxiety about ‘getting it wrong’ with genuine curiosity and the intent to grow through human connection.Grant Dignity Through Presence
Prioritise being present for others, validating their experiences, and seeing their humanity above all labels and circumstances.Allow for Nuance and Complexity
Reject broad strokes—value the layers within every identity, and resist flattening people or places into singular narratives.Uplift Through Inclusion
Actively work to create environments—whether as individuals or communities—where everyone is invited, heard, and valued.Recognise Everyone Has a Role
Understand that connection and inclusion require courage and openness from all parties; both newcomers and established communities share this responsibility.Connect With Yourself to Connect With Others
True belonging comes from a grounded sense of self—embrace your own identity fully before seeking to understand or connect with others.
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Belonging Across Borders: Building Inclusion, Connection & Cultural Understanding | Inclusion Bites Podcast #171
Welcome to Inclusion Bites, your go-to source for bold, insightful conversations on diversity, inclusion, and belonging! In this thought-provoking episode, “Belonging Across Borders”, host Joanne Lockwood sits down with Mina Sharif—Afghan-Canadian writer, media producer, and passionate advocate for cross-cultural understanding. Together, they delve into what it truly means to foster a sense of belonging for refugees and displaced communities, explore the profound impact of storytelling, and share practical strategies for creating inclusive societies.
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00:00 – Introduction & Welcome
01:14 – Guest Introduction: Mina Sharif’s Superpower
02:29 – Living Between Two Worlds: Canada & Afghanistan
05:00 – Navigating Identity & Cultural Connection
10:05 – Media Perceptions & Compassionate Understanding
12:10 – Women’s Rights & Societal Change in Afghanistan
17:01 – Communication, Restrictions & Resilience
23:15 – Adapting to a New Culture: Grief & Integration
28:34 – How to Help Refugees Feel They Belong
31:48 – Mosaic vs. Melting Pot: Canadian Inclusion
33:25 – Mina’s Media Career & Current Advocacy
35:06 – Grassroots Connection & How to Start
39:26 – Avoiding Saviourism: Respectful Allyship
43:17 – Recognising Skills and Stories Beyond Stereotypes
45:39 – Cognitive Load of Representing a Community
49:03 – Identity, Labels, and Intersectionality
54:27 – Moving Beyond 'Us and Them'
57:21 – Wrapping Up, Resources, and Further Contact
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Are you passionate about diversity, equity, and true inclusion? This episode offers essential insights on cross-cultural belonging, cultural integration, and supporting refugees.
Joanne Lockwood and Mina Sharif unpack the complexities of identity, the real-life impact of migration, and the nuances often missing from mainstream media. Discover Mina’s first-hand experiences of growing up between Afghanistan and Canada, her unexpected return to Afghanistan, and the pivotal role of compassion in bridging cultural divides. The conversation covers:
Breaking Down Stereotypes: How media narratives shape our perceptions of Afghanistan and why compassion is crucial for effective allyship.
Women’s Rights in Crisis: An inside look at the realities of living under the Taliban, the resilience of Afghan women, and the misrepresentation of Afghan culture in global discourse.
Practical Inclusion Strategies: Direct guidance on how to welcome, support, and empower displaced individuals—especially youth—as they integrate into new communities.
Identity & Belonging: Reflections on navigating hybrid identities, honouring cultural heritage, and how organisations and individuals can foster genuine connection and belonging.
From Saviourism to Solidarity: Actionable advice for moving past charity mindsets and embracing real partnership and respect with refugees and newcomers.
Whether you work in HR, run a people-centric organisation, volunteer with refugees, or simply want to deepen your understanding of what it means to be inclusive, this episode offers strategies, real-world stories, and fresh perspectives to enrich your practice.
Want to break away from one-dimensional narratives and build a more inclusive world? Tune in for a richer, more authentic understanding—and actionable ideas you can apply today.
💡 Key Benefits for Listeners:
Gain critical awareness beyond the headlines—dispelling myths and misinformation about refugees and Afghanistan.
Learn how to foster cultural connection, empathy, and psychological safety within your teams and community.
Discover how to approach conversations with openness and respect, avoiding pitfalls of unconscious bias.
Acquire tools for supporting long-term integration and well-being of newcomers—benefiting both individuals and wider society.
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Belonging Isn’t Bounded: Building Bridges Across Borders
Have you ever felt like you’re standing with one foot in two worlds, never fully tethered to either? For many people who live outside their birthplace, belonging isn’t a given—it’s an ongoing journey. The tug of heritage versus adaptation can be disorientating, particularly for those displaced by conflict or circumstance. In our fast-evolving workplaces, where talent often traverses continents and cultures, the question of how we foster genuine inclusion and belonging—rather than mere assimilation—has never been more acute.
This week on the Inclusion Bites Podcast, I sat down with Meena Sharif, a remarkable storyteller, advocate, and cultural bridge-builder whose own life straddles Canada and Afghanistan. In Episode 171: “Belonging Across Borders,” Meena’s personal narrative illuminates the power and the pain found in forging identity across geographies, and she challenges us to move beyond headlines and stereotypes when welcoming those from different shores.
Unveiling Belonging: Navigating In-Between Worlds
In “Belonging Across Borders”, Meena and I delved into themes that cut to the very heart of what it means to ‘belong’ when circumstances—be it war, migration, or exile—force you to leave one identity behind and craft a new one elsewhere. As is so often the case for refugees and those living in exile, identity becomes something woven from memory, mythology, and necessity, rather than inherited seamlessly. For HR, D&I professionals, and anyone shaping workplaces today, our conversation offers invaluable perspectives on supporting colleagues whose personal journeys are anything but linear.
We dig into the reality of being a “bridge” rather than an “outsider,” the profound grief that comes with leaving a homeland (and sometimes a life’s work), and how welcoming cultures can sometimes—unwittingly—close doors with patronisation rather than true warmth. Meena brings home how our systems and everyday actions can either stifle or nurture deep-rooted belonging.
But what most struck me was Meena’s emphasis on reframing the narrative: seeing those who span cultures not as “lesser” or “divided,” but as uniquely enriched and poised to connect us all.
Lessons for Inclusive Leaders: Turning Insights into Action
These are turbulent times, and many of our organisations are now home to colleagues with backgrounds marked by displacement or dual-heritage. For those of us tasked with cultivating belonging, simply offering safety or a place isn’t enough. What does it take for people to truly feel at home—and for their unique strengths to enrich our communities?
Here are five insights from my conversation with Meena Sharif that can light the way:
Embrace Complexity—Celebrate Duality
Rather than fixating on assimilation, honour the richness that comes from holding more than one cultural identity. Recognise that “in-betweenness” can be a superpower, not a deficit. Create spaces where dual heritage and hybrid experiences are valued, not diluted.Go Beyond Symbols—Foster Genuine Cultural Curiosity
Systemic recognition (multicultural days, holiday acknowledgements) is important, but it’s only a start. Effective inclusion requires grassroots curiosity. Encourage your teams to engage meaningfully with the lived experiences, stories, and perspectives of those from other backgrounds—don’t relegate these conversations to HR tick-boxes.Be Wary of Patronisation—Offer Allyship, Not Charity
As Meena notes, there’s a danger in treating those with different backgrounds as “helpless” or solely as victims. True allyship involves listening before acting, recognising personal agency, and engaging with individuals as equals—never through a lens of superiority.Ask Personal Questions—Leave Generalisations at the Door
Instead of obliging individuals to speak on behalf of entire cultures or diaspora communities, invite people to share their own stories. Small, respectful questions (“What was your experience?” rather than “What are people from your country like?”) do far more to unlock belonging than broad-brush stereotypes or assumptions.Hold Space for Grief and Growth
For many, the trauma of displacement is compounded by a lack of space to mourn their former lives. Give new joiners—especially those from conflict-affected backgrounds—room to acknowledge grief and loss. Normalise conversations about the emotional journeys entwined with migration and belonging.
These takeaways aren’t simply for newcomers or people leaders—they’re a roadmap for all of us committed to building genuinely inclusive cultures with empathy and authenticity.
Unlocking a Moment: Watch the Conversation Unfold
Curious to feel the tone and candour of our chat first-hand? I’m delighted to share a snippet from our exchange—a one-minute audiogram, perfect for a quick coffee break. Watch to hear Meena’s perspective on cultural duality and the nuances of creating bridges, not barriers.
Watch the episode highlight now for a taste of the honest, hope-filled discussion that underpins the full conversation.
Listen, Reflect, and Share
If you’re looking to deepen your understanding of what it truly means to belong—and how to facilitate that for others—I urge you to immerse yourself in the whole episode. The insights are as practical as they are poignant, relevant whether you’re a senior leader or an early-career ally.
Listen to the full episode of Inclusion Bites Podcast: Belonging Across Borders here:
https://url.seech.uk/ibs171
If Meena’s story resonates, please do share the episode with your network, your colleagues, or even your friends outside work. Let’s widen the ripples—effective change rarely comes from just one conversation, or from one person’s efforts.
What Might Change If We Truly Embrace Belonging?
So I’ll leave you with this:
How might your culture shift if, instead of asking newcomers to “fit in,” you asked how you could bridge their worlds to yours, and vice versa?
Imagine the richness waiting if we stopped asking, “Where are you from?” and started listening deeply to what people have brought with them.
Until next time—keep questioning, keep bridging, and let’s see change happen together.
Warm regards,
Joanne Lockwood
Host of the Inclusion Bites Podcast
The Inclusive Culture Expert at SEE Change Happen
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Belonging, Borders, and the Power of Stories: Reflections on Building Bridges Across Cultures
“I suppose I live on a bridge—never on just one side. Neither Canadian nor Afghan in the singular sense, but someone who sees, and tries to weave, the threads between.” This idea stays with me, whenever I reflect on my journey—across continents, cultures, and spheres of belonging. It’s much more than nostalgia; it’s about wrestling with multiplicity and making connection itself the cornerstone of my identity.
When Joanne Lockwood invited me to join her on the Inclusion Bites Podcast—an unapologetically bold space where conversation doesn’t skirt around discomfort, but knuckles down into it—I sensed a kindred spirit. We share an understanding that real transformation (for individuals, for teams, for entire societies) rarely comes from comfort; it comes from the friction and grace of curiosity and shared narrative.
This dialogue mattered to me profoundly. The question of belonging isn’t academic—it's intimately bound into the arc of my family, the shape of my life, and the daily reality of countless people forced to uproot and rebuild after war, political upheaval, or simple seeking. With Afghanistan—and Afghan people—so often reduced to war headlines or one-dimensional victim narratives, I find it imperative to use whatever platform I have to render something truer, richer, and fundamentally more human.
Let me tell you why this conversation still echoes for me, and what I continue to carry onward.
The Inclusion Bites Podcast: Disruption as a Practice
First, a word about the space Joanne has built. The Inclusion Bites Podcast, founded and hosted by Joanne Lockwood, is a crucible for ideas at the fore of inclusion and belonging. Joanne herself leads with both lived experience and professional credibility, moving fluidly between innovation consultancy and candid dialogue as a transgender woman. She is not afraid to probe the status quo—her questions are incisive, compassionate, and underpinned by decades of advocating for truly transformative inclusion in both the UK and globally.
More than [INSERT_VIEW_COUNT] people have already watched our interview on YouTube, with many more tuning in via Spotify and Apple Podcasts.
If our conversation stirs something for you—be it unease, recognition, or a sudden urge to share your own story—please do leave a comment below. I read every one carefully and value the ripple effect of shared dialogue.
Between Worlds: Rethinking Identity and the Myth of ‘Completeness’
I’ve lost count of how often I’ve been asked, “Do you feel more Canadian or Afghan?” as if belonging is a zero-sum game. The reality is, growing up in Canada as the child of Afghan refugees, I never once questioned who I was—until life called me back in 2005. What began as a short-term volunteer trip stretched into 15 years working, living, and building bridges in Afghanistan—a country largely constructed, in my childhood, from the patchwork of headlines, parent’s stories, music, food, and the echoes of loss.
What surprised me was that, after so many years abroad, my connection was not to a single, static homeland, but to the tension between two worlds. Canada shaped my lens; Afghanistan reshaped my sense of purpose. Yet, returning never collapsed the gap between the cultures. “I realised I kind of live now between both worlds, neither fully in the Canadian sort of childhood I’d been brought up with, nor fully connected in the way people had been born and raised in Afghanistan might feel.” The bridge wasn’t a consolation—it became my superpower. It allowed me to “see the unseen and amplify voices caught between worlds”, something Joanne immediately zeroed in on: “So you’re enriching the environment you’re now in, with all of the heritage and family and culture you bring.”
Recognising the impossibility of the “total belonging” that our parents’ generation might have known is challenging. But I believe, if we relinquish the illusion of wholeness, we can embrace our hybrid existences as blessings rather than deficits. “Maybe we have an opportunity to really be a bridge between two worlds, because we are part of two worlds.” This is a newborn category—there’s power in carrying the dialectics, and not defaulting to victimhood or anger.
The Landscapes We Carry: Challenging Media Myths and Creating Compassion
Afghanistan for me, as for many outsiders, was sketched in the hues of war, guns, and rocky landscapes peopled almost exclusively by men. Joanne was honest about the image the UK media had branded on the public imagination, recalling how “if I had to picture Afghanistan with my eyes closed, I would see a very rocky, mountainous, desert-type place with men with Kalashnikov rifles...I’m sure I’m completely missing the real, day-to-day Afghanistan.”
No-one chooses the narratives they are given. This is where compassion matters—not just for others, but for ourselves as well. “It’s the responsibility of those of us who want you to see Afghanistan more broadly to understand, with some compassion, that that’s the image that you were given and that’s not a decision you made.” My own family, exiled by conflict, bore the scars and silences of forced displacement. For their part, most in the Afghan diaspora are as cut off from their motherland as any external observer—piecing together an identity from fragments, longing, or even anger.
Yet even amidst relentless hardship, the fundamentals of Afghan day-to-day life—resilience, laughter, family bonds, women’s agency—persistently break the surface. I am careful not to idealise “resilience,” but in our context, it means the ongoing creation of meaning, dignity, and cultural life despite the impositions of violence and loss.
The work, I believe, lies in humanising. “No-one’s denying those headlines,” I argue, “we’re just saying that’s just a speck of the truth.” We have an obligation to multiply the stories, not to erase tragedy, but to balance it—so a new, living picture can emerge.
The Limits of Systems: What Inclusion Really Requires
Joanne’s curiosity rightly turned to the question of systems. Canada, as a “mosaic” rather than a “melting pot”, espouses a model where distinct cultural identities are preserved and celebrated. But formal acknowledgement—Prime Ministerial greetings on holidays or “representation” on television—is one layer; meaningful grassroots connection is quite another.
I know first-hand that there’s still a gulf between being seen and being truly understood. Policy may be inclusive, but everyday life is textured not by legislation but by the small acts of curiosity, allyship, and willingness to ask better questions. “We’re not ever going to be able to have the same connection as maybe our parents had,” I found myself offering, “Nor are we going to have a fully belonging feeling that a lot of times people in our host country have. What I'd like to see is that we... recognise that it’s almost a new category” of identity, where multivalence is an asset.
For service providers working with newcomers or refugees, this means a deeper kind of compassion. Welcoming someone fleeing from a war zone is not the same as welcoming someone relocating from Switzerland. Both deserve respect, but the former carries layers of trauma and loss that systems often gloss over. The urgency is not for empty charity, but for spaces where those newly arrived can “feel powerful”—and where integration does not necessitate erasure.
The most dangerous pitfall is benevolent condescension—reducing people to passive recipients of help. The skills, careers, and dreams of displaced people deserve to be recognised, connected, and given scope to thrive. Joanne and I agreed that true inclusion starts with asking people directly about themselves, refusing the temptation to flatten them into mere representatives of an entire country or narrative.
Healing, Loss, and the Right to Grieve
Much is said about resilience, but little about the quiet, persistent pain of exile. I know this too well. Even for those, like me, who return as adults, the act of rebuilding a life from scratch is overwhelming. The language, the familiar foods, the professions—the lives built “over there”—don’t simply transfer. “It's actually worse than nothing because you haven’t got all the things you were used to. You're almost negative.” To adapt, we must wholeheartedly honour loss, not rush prematurely to gratitude or performance for our new society.
This is a wound rarely acknowledged, whether in youth or adult newcomers. I believe we short-circuit true integration if we don’t give newcomers time and space to grieve both the rupture and the future that’s been lost. In my workshops, I press for this recognition—not as an indulgence, but as a necessity for healing and eventual belonging. “We rarely take the moment or that time to say we had it bad, too... Not getting caught up in that victimhood and finding a place where we feel powerful, that’s where I want to sort of be part of that narrative.” Only through honest mourning can we find the capacity to integrate new joy.
Agency, Curiosity, and the Art of Asking
Something Joanne modelled throughout the conversation was a willingness to interrogate her own biases without shame and to lead humbly with curiosity. After all, none of us arrives knowing the scripts for every culture or context—we have only questions, sometimes well-formed, sometimes clumsy. I sense that many are paralysed by fear of offending, saying the wrong thing, or being cast as ignorant.
“People are often scared of getting things wrong,” Joanne said, “they worry about their conversation and putting their foot in it. So they say what they think is a nice thing. But the nice thing is actually more patronising by trying to be helpful.” This danger—the slide into well-intentioned but condescending “saviourism”—is endemic.
I advocate for bravery—ask with an open mind, posture your questions as invitations rather than assumptions, and allow your counterpart to surprise you. Look for small, tangible avenues—watch a cooking video, read a short story, try learning a greeting. We have so much access now; why not use it to humanise, rather than stereotype, the other?
Yet, responsibility travels both ways. As someone frequently asked to ‘represent’ Afghanistan or Afghan women, I feel most at ease when I can anchor the answer in my own lived reality, not as a "spokesperson" for millions. “If we could just approach people in general conversation, even outside of this Afghanistan conversation... and ask people about their personal experience rather than these broad, all-encompassing, ‘hey, tell me all about your country and how everyone thinks and feels and experiences life’... It will enlighten you.”
If we each take up this agency—both to risk the awkward question and to receive it with care—dialogue becomes possible.
The Burden and Gift of Representation
There were moments in our conversation where the emotional fatigue of being a perpetual advocate surfaced. Joanne recognised this well: “Sometimes don’t you just want to take your shoes off and go, I just want to be Meena?” I laughed—and admitted that over time, I’ve had to put down the impossible weight of “fixing” all perceptions, or singlehandedly shifting global systems.
“I can’t get the Taliban out of there. I can’t change everyone’s mind about Afghanistan. I just go with what’s in front of me, what I can do, what I have the energy to do.” When the expectation arises to “speak for Afghan women” in the way no-one expects someone to speak “for all Canadian women,” it becomes clear how much external gaze shapes the conversation.
Media, in particular, cycles through “what’s the narrative today?” Victimhood, resistance, defiance, tragedy—without ever lingering in the texture of day-to-day living. That is why my deeper passion is fostering connection, not debate. “I don’t always want to talk about how did we get to this terrible state. I want to talk about just between us, leave the systems out of it. How are we connecting to each other?” That, to me, is real inclusion.
Stories as Healing, Writing as Bridge-Building
The truest joy, for me, lies at the intersection of storytelling and healing—a place where the multiplicity of Afghan life can be rendered in its full, nuanced humanity. Through writing—short stories, a forthcoming young adult novel, and visual storytelling via Instagram—I aim to open windows, for both the Afghan diaspora and curious outsiders.
I want those who read, or listen, to see more than war or spectacle; to find themselves reflected, or at least welcomed, into an unfamiliar but resonant space. The dog running through Kabul’s streets, the girl’s first day at school, the kitchen humming on Eid. These threads are ordinary and extraordinary, and together, they compose a narrative far truer than headlines make room for.
When someone tells me, after reading one of my stories or engaging in a workshop, that their perception has softened or their sense of connection feels possible, I know true inclusion has begun. It’s never about erasing the differences that make us who we are; it’s about loving our own stories enough to hold space for others.
A Closing Reflection: Expedition, Not Destination
Growing up—and now, living—in the liminal, the “in-between” is both burden and gift. It means knowing that “us and them” are often illusions; that real safety and belonging are co-created anew, every time we choose curiosity over assumption, dialogue over silence.
To connect, first, you must be brave enough to ask (and listen). Then, perhaps, you find that holding complexity becomes easier; that borders fade, if only in intimate conversation.
I’ll always carry the landscapes of my history, alongside the landscapes of my heart. The stories we exchange, and the roads we cross to meet each other on the bridge—that’s where belonging is built, step by honest step.
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