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And today is episode 182 with the title From Chaos to Calm. And I have the absolute honour and privilege to welcome Sally Bisbee. Sally is a mum life simplification coach who helps overwhelmed mothers create calm through simple routines and guilt free self care. When I asked Sally to describe her superpower, she said that it is turning everyday overwhelm into empowering ease for busy mums. Hello Sally, welcome to the show.

Hello. Thanks for having me.

Absolute pleasure. And from the accent, I can tell you not in the uk, so whereabouts in the world are you?

I am not. I am in the United States. I live in Minnesota, which is. Which is in the central northern spot of the United States.

So the Canadian wall is just above. Is that.

Yes, yes, we are. We. We live in south of Canada.

Yeah. Wow. I forget how big the states is. You know, six hours for me is a long way up the country. So. Yeah, you forget.

Yeah, the states are very big. To get from, from Canada down to Mexico is probably, I would say 30 or 35 hours if you were to drive straight from top of Minnesota, the bottom of Texas.

Yeah, I tried driving from LA once down to San Diego and then from San Diego I ended up in Mexico. That took a long drive and I also tried to drive from LA to San Francisco and I gave up 3/4 of the way there. It was just too far. Just like.

Sure, everything's much closer for you. There it is over in the uk it's much more contained.

So did you have a good Easter? We just come back for an Easter break, haven't we?

Yes, yes, we had a wonderful Easter. We hosted and two, two of my three kids are young still six and nine, so they're in you Know, just the, like, Easter is so fun still. And yeah, it was a really great weekend.

So you've got, you just said there you've got two young, youngish children. They're not babies, but they're youngish.

Yeah.

Have you managed to reclaim your own calm?

I have, I have. It's been a process, but I have, yeah.

So what made you realise that maybe you weren't calm, which meant you had to try to develop this way of helping other mums?

Yes. So just a little background. So those. I have the two quote unquote younger kids, they're six and nine, so they're not little, little anymore. But my oldest, I have a third, she's 22, so big gap. I've been doing this mom thing for a long time and when my third came and she was about 2, I would say they were 2, 5 and 17. I just went through this period of time in my life where I was so overwhelmed. I woke up every morning just feeling like.

Just overwhelmed and behind for the day already, before the day had even started. And I just finally thought, I can't, I can't keep living this way. Right. Like, I've got another 16 years of these kids for sure, being in my house. And probably more, as most of us moms of olders know, they. My. My oldest is about to graduate college and move home for a little bit, so they, they come back and I just thought, I can't. I can't keep living this way.