FAKTR Podcast #83 FAKTR Podcast - The Science of Non-Invasive Vagus Nerve Stimulation with Dr. Navaz Habib, Part 1
Jessica Riddle 00:00:15 - 00:01:08
Hi, guys. Welcome to another episode of the Factor podcast. I'm your host, Jessica Riddle. Welcome, and thanks for listening. Today, we unpack a new training with doctor Nivas Habib, a Toronto based chiropractor, acupuncturist, and functional medicine practitioner that has dedicated his career to the study of the vagus nerve. In part 1 of this 2 episode series, we'll explore how the vagus nerve's regulatory pathways impact inflammation, the role of acetylcholine in modulating immune responses, and how these mechanisms can be leveraged to improve conditions such as autoimmune disorders, neurological diseases, and more. I know you hear me say this a lot, but this episode is truly jam packed with great insights that can help you approach your patient care a little differently. Be sure to hit that bookmark or download link so you can listen more than once.
Jessica Riddle 00:01:09 - 00:01:10
Let's dive in.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:01:19 - 00:01:53
Thank you so much, Jessica. I'm excited to be here and excited to share some of the amazing research and findings that I've had in incorporating vagus nerve stimulation into my practice. I am a chiropractor. I'm based in Toronto, Canada. Graduated in 2010 from Canadian Memorial Chiropractic College. Was actually lucky enough to be the class valedictorian of my year, and that was wonderful. I have since and I'll just give you a brief breakdown. I have been an associate.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:01:53 - 00:03:00
I've owned a chiropractic practice. I've sold a chiropractic practice and have shifted into working with patients via telemedicine and working more with consulting clients all around the world with regards to their vagus nerve and optimizing their overall health. It's been an interesting shift, and it's been a positive 1. And I'm excited to kinda tell you a little bit about the vagus nerve a little bit more because I think it's something that we tended to scoot by in understanding in our school. And it it's 1 of those things that I think if we give it a little bit more attention, we'll realize just how important it truly is to creating an optimal environment for health. So the vagus nerve, what happens in vagus, not the city obviously, is we have communication, bidirectional communication between many different organs and the brain. 80% of the information on the vagus nerve is actually afferent, meaning coming from all of the organs, sharing status information from the organs back to the brain. That's huge.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:03:00 - 00:03:55
That's a big component. We tend to think of parasympathetic as being much more efferent in its pathway, being much more from the brain to the body. And only 15% of the information on the vagus nerve is actually parasympathetic efferent information. This is where we get this rest digest information from the brain to the organs. And and really important area here is the actual inflammatory control via the cholinergic anti inflammatory pathway, also known as the CAIP. This is a really important thing to understand. Because when it comes to chronic health conditions that a lot of our patients are dealing with, whether they be autoimmune or inflammatory in nature, always have the lack of control of inflammation as the pathway to the disease progression. So this is a really important area to fully understand.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:03:56 - 00:04:43
And the control of inflammation is the primary job of the vagus nerve within the body. This is where we we have that specific effect of being able to limit the amount of damage that inflammation can do. Inflammation is a necessary piece to the optimization of our body's puzzle, but the control of inflammation is what often needs to be talked about. And that's what the job of the vagus nerve is. For the math people out there, that's only 95% of the roles. So 4% of the information here is motor information, and that's specifically going to the pharyngeal and laryngeal muscles. Those are the muscles of the airway, throat, and vocal cords. So maintaining the openness and pateness of an airway is the job of the motor component of the Vagus Ear.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:04:43 - 00:05:44
And as well as having a bit of a role to play in vocal pitch and tone. So being able to go really, really low or really, really high with my voice is there because I have motor control of the laryngeal muscles that tension and pull on the vocal cords themselves to create tension, allowing for pitch to change. The last area here is 1% of the information is actually sensory information from the skin of the ear and actually in a very particular area. And this is an area that acupuncture has been utilizing for generations to help improve vagus nerve stimulation or vagus nerve function. There's actually a few points in there, particularly vagus nerve points, and another 1 with the name of Shenmeng, which is right in that center area. And that's an area that will play a really positive role in improving vagus nerve function overall. Next, we wanna get into the pathway that I talked about, and that's the cholinergic anti inflammatory pathway. It's actually multiple directions, and that's what's really exciting about it.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:05:44 - 00:06:31
So the vagus nerve has inputs going in primarily to the nucleus tractus solitarius in the brain stem and then coming from the dorsal motor nucleus of vagus in the brain stem and coming out. Okay? So this is where the inputs and the outputs are being relayed to within the brainstem nuclei. The vagus nerve courses down, sends a signal out to the lungs, has a direct branch that goes to this celiac ganglion or the celiac superior mesenteric plexus ganglia. Just go to the celiac ganglion to make it easy. And over here, it releases acetylcholine. This is the reason for the name cholinergic in the cholinergic anti inflammatory pathway. It uses acetylcholine. The vagus nerve only uses acetylcholine as its neurotransmitter of choice.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:06:32 - 00:07:29
It also then has a direct branch to the entirety of the gut, and this is very important. The gut brain connection is physically made up by the vagus nerve. And we know that 70% of our immune cells by volume are located in the gut and the gut lining. So this is an important area for controlling signals to be sent via acetylcholine, and so this is an important area to look at from a physical standpoint. The fun relay here is as the vagus nerve sends acetylcholine, if we look back at the celiac ganglion, we then see that the acetylcholine is released to attach to the splenic nerve. The splenic nerve is actually a sympathetic nerve, not parasympathetic. It's a sympathetic nerve. And what's really exciting here is when the acetylcholine is released into this area, it actually hijacks that splenic nerve and turns it into a parasympathetic functional nerve, which is really cool.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:07:29 - 00:08:31
The splenic nerve will then release norepinephrine at the spleen level, activating a set of t cells called chat cells. Okay? And they have have a beta 2 adrenergic receptor on them that the norepinephrine, attaches to. Then these t cells, these chat cells become hyperactivated, and they become activated to release acetylcholine. You can see with those red dots coming down the pathway from the t cells. And these acetylcholine will make its way to splenic and other local tissue macrophages. So any organs that don't have direct innervation from the vagus nerve, we know a lot of the visceral organs do. Almost every single 1 has a direct innervation. But the bone, the muscle, directly to areas within other organs and tissues that are not directly innervated innervated by the vagus nerve, including the skin, will get the signal of acetylcholine through the bloodstream via these chat cells being released in the spleen.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:08:31 - 00:09:35
And then these local tissue macrophages, all of them have this alpha 7 nicotinic acetylcholine receptor. You can see within that red box, each of these splenic and local tissue macrophages contains that particular receptor. And that receptor is the target of the acetylcholine that's being released, both directly from the vagus nerve in particular organs and then without it being in in the vagus nerve directly where it goes out through splenic amplification, the other tissues will receive this acetylcholine signal. And that acetylcholine signal goes to those macrophages to tell them we need to shut down or decrease the amount of inflammation that's happening. And then as you can see also within that red box, we're able to decrease the release of TNF alpha, IL 1, and IL 6. These are very, very well known inflammatory cytokines. These are inflammatory signaling molecules that we don't want to have going off and becoming rampant drivers of an inflammatory response. Okay? So that's really important.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:09:35 - 00:10:23
If we go back towards the brain here, you'll notice that the at the NTS, we have the input coming in from the vagus nerve. And then we have a relay pathway with a green arrow that goes up to the hypothalamus. And this is really, really important because not only do we have an acetylcholine release going down from the brain to the rest of the body, we actually have a signal coming up to the brain as well. And if we remember, the name of these macrophages that are within the brain and the central nervous system are the microglia. And acetylcholine is released from certain areas called particularly the nucleus bacillus of Mainerts within the brain. There's not gonna be a test on this later. Don't worry. But that area is necessary for releasing acetylcholine locally within the brain, within the central nervous system.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:10:23 - 00:11:42
And that acetylcholine helps to manage the inflammation within the brain. This is huge because this is an area that needs to be addressed in many, many health conditions, whether they be neurodegenerative in nature, like Alzheimer's or Parkinson's or dementia, Or TBI, concussion, stroke, whiplash, those types of injuries can also severely increase the inflammatory response within the brain. And so the vagus nerve is heavily, heavily involved in the release of that acetylcholine in the brain as well. We also get direct signals up to the hypothalamus, which actually activates corticotropin releasing hormone, CRH, which then sends a signal to the pituitary gland to release adrenocorticotropic hormone, ACTH, which is the yellow dots and the green arrow that goes down to the adrenals. And this actually activates glucocorticoid release to help to shut down that inflammatory response as well. So the glucocorticoids help in a secondary manner in affecting those local tissue macrophages and helping to down regulate the inflammatory response. So this is a really, really awesome picture of what the cholinergic anti inflammatory pathway looks like. And it can get deep, and I realize this is not an easy thing to fully understand, but I'm gonna do my best to help you see this.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:12:26 - 00:13:10
The target of the cholinergic anti inflammatory system or the pathway is the marvelous macrophage. The macrophage is the organ that is necessary to be controlled in this pathway. It is the main cell of the innate immune system. It is the main 1 that goes and and identifies the sources of threat to our bodies. And when it senses threat, it is activated into a state called m 1. We'll talk about that in a moment. And what it does is it sends signals of inflammatory cytokines out to bring other immune cells locally to the area, adaptive immune cells and other innate immune cells as well. This is the target.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:13:10 - 00:13:50
When we can control this cell through vagus nerve activation, vagus nerve stimulation, and the release of acetylcholine, we can have a phenomenal response on controlling the severity of inflammatory response that our body creates. There are tissue resident macrophages everywhere. They all have very similar jobs and similar roles, but they're called different things in different tissue. In the skin, they're called dermal macrophages or Langerhans cells. In the lung, they're alveolar interstitial and pulmonary intravascular macrophages. In the liver, there are Kupffer cells. In the heart, there are multiple different types. In the brain, they're microglia.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:13:51 - 00:14:31
In the kidney, they're kidney macrophages. In the muscle, there's 3 different types, CD 11 c plus, CD 11 b plus, f 4 80. We've got, in the bone, stromal macrophages. And then 1 that's missing from this list is actually osteo osteoclasts or macrophages within the bone. Osteoclasts that we know are necessary to create osteoporosis or to maintain the shape of bone by breaking it down slightly. In the lymph nodes, we've got subscapular macrophages. In the spleen, we've got the red pulp, the white pulp, and the marginal zone macrophages. In the intestine, we've got lamina propria macrophages and submucosal.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:14:32 - 00:15:21
This is where 70% of our immune cells by volume are located within the body. It's in the intestinal walls. And then within the pancreas, there are pancreatic macrophages as well. These tissues are everywhere. These cells are necessary as not only the detectors of threat, but they really do help to focus on identifying and maintaining the function of the organ that they're located in. And this is a necessary piece to understand because this is the target of control from the vagus nerve. This is the names of all of the target cells of the vagus nerve cholinergic anti inflammatory pathway. The directly innervated tissues are CNS, the blood vessels, lungs, liver, gut, and then the spleen via the splenic ganglion are the directly innervated.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:15:21 - 00:16:50
But then via splenic amplification, we send signals out to the skin, the serosa, the muscle, adipose tissue, and bone. And this is important to understand. So these are the target cells of that entire cholinergic anti inflammatory pathway. It can be dysfunctional in many different conditions, whether autoimmune in RA, SLE, MS, asthma, type 1 diabetes, vascular conditions, like atherosclerosis, digestive conditions, very, very important here, irritable bowel, Crohn's, colitis, metabolic conditions, obesity, type 2 diabetes, NAFLD, NASH, neurological conditions, Alzheimer's, autism, schizophrenia, dementia dementia, Parkinson's, and then even hormonal effects as well, endometriosis being a an inflammatory condition as well. So these are all conditions that may have some specific piece to the or dysfunction going on and a lack of control of the inflammatory process locally within a particular organ or within a particular area. Macrophages have different states that they will work on. So an m 0 macrophage, the blue guy that you see at the top of screen here, that 1 has not been differentiated yet into a state of being fight or fix state. Okay? But there are certain signals that will drive an m naught or an m 0 macrophage into a different state.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:16:51 - 00:17:44
Lipopolysaccharide, LPS, and IFN gamma, which take the m 0 macrophage to the left side of the screen here, will turn on what's called m 1 sater, m 1 macrophage state. And these are very high expression pro inflammatory cell functions. These guys are meant to fight. They're meant to send a signal of us of inflammatory cytokines out into the bloodstream into every area to have them bring in more inflammatory and immune cells locally to the area where they've discovered said threat. The m 2 macrophages, we can shift to using IL 4 and IL 10, which are which we know are anti inflammatory cytokines. And these guys helped differentiate the m naught or m 0 macrophages into M2M2 are known as the fixed macrophages. Not the fight guys. They're the fixed guys.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:17:44 - 00:18:42
And then these will further differentiate depending on other signals that are there present locally. They can go into M2AM2BM2C, and M2D. And a lot of these are regulatory or focused on debris removal. They use the same tools as during inflammation, but they do it in a very controlled manner. And what their job is to help regulate and control and optimize the function of particular organs. And so the regulatory effect of these will come from whichever signals are being sent whether IL 13, IL 4, IRF 4, TLR, globulin complexes, glucocorticoids, IL 10, t TGF beta, or a 2AR as well. So these will differentiate the function of these to do very specific tasks using the same tools that any macrophage would. Okay? So we often think of the macrophages as being these magical engulfers of threats to us, but that's only 1 job.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:18:42 - 00:19:17
The regulatory job, the fixed job is the 1 that we've often overlooked. And it's the role of acetylcholine to help to actually shift from m 1 state macrophages, which are the pro inflammatory, into the m 2 state macrophages. You'll see that with the green line going across. Vagus nerve stimulation is 1 of the best ways to do this. This has been proven. I've got a great research study below that I'm gonna share. This is a really amazing tool. And then when we have the presence of lots of m 2 macrophages, that's actually inhibitory to the production of m 1 high inflammatory macrophages as well.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:19:17 - 00:20:01
And that's indicated by the red line below there. Okay? So these are important pieces to understand. And it's the job of the vagus nerve 1 working to help to shift these cells from m 1 state to m 2 state and from fight to fix. The cellular effects, this is how it actually works. Remember we mentioned that alpha 7 nicotinic acetylcholine receptor on the pathway. What it's doing when acetylcholine hits that particular receptor, it has 2 very particular things that it can change. Number 1, it can go down the cAMP c FOS pathway, which is the first pathway on the left here. You'll see that it activates cAMP, which goes into the nucleus and activates cFOS, CF0S.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:20:01 - 00:20:48
And that will lead to a decrease in the transcription of a factor known as NF kappa b. NF kappa b, when activated, sends out cytokines that are inflammatory, the IL 1, IL 6 or excuse me, IL yeah. IL 1, IL 6. Okay? And TGF or TNF alpha as well. The second pathway is acetylcholine will hit that same receptor and activate the JAK 2 stat 3 pathway. And that will actually result in the decreased gene transcription of inflammatory cytokines as well. So we're actually regulating and decreasing the amount of inflammatory cytokines that will be released. There is 1 more scenario, and this is an interesting 1 that most people don't understand as yet.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:20:48 - 00:22:07
But that alpha 7 nicotinic acetylcholine receptor is also present not only on the cell surface, but it's also present on the surface of mitochondria. How many of us have heard about mitochondrial health and the importance of maintaining good mitochondrial health for longevity, for energy, for overall optimal function, and metabolic ideals? Well, when there's a lot of ATP that's present around the cell surface, ATP will activate a channel here that allows acetylcholine to enter the cell directly. And that will activate the alpha 7 nicotinic acetylcholine receptor on the mitochondria. When that receptor is activated, it actually decreases and shuts down the release of mitochondrial DNA. This is a very common pathway by which we trigger an inflammasome or trigger this NF kappa b gene transcription occurrence that takes place. If mitochondrial DNA is released, it will lead to the inflammasome and the release of of inflammatory cytokines into surrounding areas. But when we activate the acetylcholine receptor on the mitochondria that shuts down the mitochondrial DNA release, that allows for the DNA to remain within the mitochondria. It allows for optimal function to be restored, and we don't trigger an inflammasome.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:22:07 - 00:23:01
We actually don't allow this pathway to begin. And 1 of the best ways that I've found to help do this is through cervical transcutaneous vagus nerve stimulation. Okay? So the vagus nerve is sending these acetylcholine signals out to all of these tissues, particularly those macrophages to help with the regulation and control of inflammation. When we don't have an optimally working vagus nerve, the control of inflammation is going to be reduced. Use of electrical currents to help to stimulate nerves is something that we've all seen many times. How many practices use a TENS unit or interferential current or other electrical stimulation tools like a pointer plus on acupuncture or something along those lines. This is a tool that directly targets the vagus nerve. So So it's electrical stimulation of vagal fibers along the anterolateral cervical spine.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:23:03 - 00:23:45
To find where your vagus nerve is, literally find your pulse, and it's right beside there. I'm gonna show you a really cool image. So this is a great area to access the vagus nerve. And what you'll find is about 90 to 95% of the fibers on vagus nerve are found within the neck and not anywhere else. It's easily accessible within the carotid sheath. You'll see on the next slide that we've got the carotid artery, the jugular vein, and the vagus nerve that are nice and wound tight together. We're gonna be able to activate both afferent and efferentaxonal fibers. Interestingly, there are only a 100, 000 fibers on the left side vagus nerve and 100, 000 on the right side vagus nerve.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:23:45 - 00:24:10
200, 000 plus. They're realizing there's more on the right for whatever reason. I wasn't there for the design process, and it's something that we're still trying to figure out why. So where is the vagus nerve? I just mentioned this. It's within the carotid sheet, just behind our sternocleidomastoid muscle, the SCN muscle. If you ever push against your head, you can push your head against your hand. Excuse me. You'll notice that your SCN muscle pops up.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:24:10 - 00:24:47
If you just pop in front of that SCM muscle, you'll be able to find your pulse. Your pulse, you're feeling is the common carotid artery, the CCA that's present on this ultrasound image. You'll see the IJV there as well. That's the internal jugular vein. And then right behind it, that thick tissue that's outlined in yellow, that is the vagus nerve. So if you feel your pulse, you're very, very close to your vagus nerve as well. The thing that really introduced me to the importance of the vagus nerve was that it was the only nerve coursing down through the neck present within this carotid sheath. That's the only tissue there.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:24:47 - 00:25:47
We know how important the common carotid and internal jugular vein are. But how many of us have forgotten that the vagus nerve is part of that sheath and so so important to our overall health and survival? So just great to see there. It's literally right behind the anterior fibers of the sternocleidomastoid. And so if you just kinda give it a little push out of the way, you'll be able to find the pulse, and you're right there on your vagus nerve. How does noninvasive vagus nerve stimulation work? Well, this was a sham study that was done where they actually stimulated over the sternocleidomastoid versus over the carotid artery area where they found the pulse. And what was found was when not, obviously, not within the sham activation, but within the actual activation of the nerve, When they simulated using the electrical device, the handheld electrical device, they had an activation of particular brain stem nuclei. This will go back to which ones we saw. This is the nucleus of the solitary tract, the NTS, nucleus tractus solitarius.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:25:48 - 00:26:25
And we had activation of the dorsal motor nucleus of vagus. This is cool because we know that we're getting activation of the 2 nuclei, the primary 2 nuclei by which vagus nerve connects. Okay? So this is really important. We also got a little bit of activation in vestibular nuclei and the medial longitudinal fasciculus as well, and as well a little bit of the spinal trigeminal, which is linked as well. And that's actually the spinal trigeminal was not activation. Excuse me. It was inhibition that occurred in the spinal trigeminal nerve. This is great for things like bowel's palsy or, great for kind of the trigeminal headaches that can occur as well.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:26:25 - 00:27:25
And this is a reason for why this particular tool is used heavily in headache cases, migraine in particular. So this was a great study, and it continued on to show that not only is the effect local within the brain stem, but it actually creates a biphasic response above in different areas of the brain. So this was AA3 phase response. They did fMRIs between 3 and 5 minutes, 7 to 9 minutes, and 13 to 15 minutes later. And what they found was activation of the rayfinuclei and substantia nigra in the brainstem in the early phase, as well as the medial frontal cortex and paracingulate cortex early phase. Then we had inhibition initially and then activation in the mo mid post DNS phase, which is a 7 to 9 minute phase. And we got activation of the ray finuclei, the VTA, ventral tegmaic metalloid area. And then we had it in the hypothalamus on the ACC as well above.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:27:25 - 00:28:10
This was an activation that occurred. And then we had a calming effect almost throughout the entire cortex. Particularly, the precuneus and paricingulate cortex had an inhibitory response. And then we had activation of the brain stem at the VTA, the PAG, the substantia nigra, and the raphe nuclei. This helps to tell us exactly how this system works. This is a neuromodulatory activation that's occurring. We're getting activation of dopamine response, of norepinephrine response, and of serotonin response within the brain. And once we go and see as well, you'll notice that the nucleus basilarous of Maynard's becomes activated in particular, and that's where we get the acetylcholine re release within the CNS.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:28:10 - 00:29:05
When we do this, what we're essentially getting is an activation of acetylcholine, norepinephrine, and serotonin within the brain. And they're gonna have effects on the cortex, the cingulate gyrus, the amygdala, and the hippocampus. The hippocampus being heavily involved in that pituitary response and in the production of memory as well. The cortices are going to be affected with positive income from norepinephrine and 5 HT serotonin. So we're gonna become activated because of the norepinephrine, and mood and affect would generally be improved with the introduction of the 5 HT, which is the precursor to serotonin. And then it also will go and affect the thalamus, which is going to allow for improvements in sleep, emotion, arousal, plasticity, and memory. So this is a great area to kind of look at. The brainstem is where the effect primarily will occur.
Dr. Navaz Habib 00:29:06 - 00:29:17
And you'll notice that transcutaneous vagus nerve stem will have this particular effect both afferently and have effects peripherally through the efferent pathway that's getting sickened as well.
Jessica Riddle 00:29:27 - 00:30:18
That's it for today's episode. Be sure to tune in for part 2, where doctor Habib will share compelling case studies and practical tips, including therapies like diaphragmatic breathing, dietary changes, and vagal nerve exercises. Plus, we'll discuss the promising effects of music on vagus nerve activation and dive into detailed mechanisms involving microphages, cholinergic pathways, and neurotransmitters. You won't wanna miss it. Episode 84 launches in 2 weeks. If you enjoy our content, please be sure to rate or review the Factor podcast in your favorite podcast player, like Apple or Spotify, or stop by our website at factorpodcast.com and leave us a review or audio recording. You can actually use your voice and tell us what you think. Be sure to check out our show notes for any special offers or links from our sponsors.
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