FAKTR Podcast #75 Ancient Pearls of wisdom Acupuncture Points with Dr. Janette Kurban.mp4
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Jessica Riddle 00:02:50 - 00:03:47
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Jessica Riddle 00:03:47 - 00:05:28
And in that comment box, say hello and let us know, where you're joining us from today and what type of practitioner or student you are. We're very fortunate to have a global audience of diverse health care professionals as well as students that often attend our webinars. So we wanna know a little bit more from you guys about, what type of audience we have today so that doctor Kurban knows how best to address some of the specific questions that you may have or possibly can provide some additional clinical pearls depending upon our audience today. So we'll give it about one more minute, and then we'll be getting started. Alrighty, guys. So thank you for joining us today. For this month's webinar, we are talking a little bit about acupuncture and specifically the use of master acupuncture points that you can utilize with your patients to get some really incredible and Chiropractic Acupuncturists. She is a wealth of knowledge and information, and she also teaches acupuncture, as well.
Jessica Riddle 00:05:28 - 00:06:22
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Jessica Riddle 00:06:22 - 00:06:41
And then at the very end of doctor Kurban's presentation, we'll have some time for some live q and a where we'll cover all of your questions and comments that you guys have put in there. So all of that being said, welcome, doctor Kurban. We're excited to hear from you today. I'm gonna go ahead and mute my microphone and let you get started.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:06:43 - 00:07:16
Thank you, Jessica. I'm so excited. Welcome, attendees. What an honor and a delight, really, to be asked to present a short a short webinar. It'll be about possibly 40, 45 minutes long today on master points in auriculotherapy. And when I when Jessica asked me if I'd like to present a webinar for her, I immediately I could of course, love sharing the information that I've been given over the years. So a little bit of background. This will be auriculo only.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:07:16 - 00:08:31
So there are master points on the body for those of you in the audience who are certified in acupuncture or are thinking about learning acupuncture as a just a modality there, an extra modality to use on your patients in your office or your clients, There is an entire system, and we'll go over a little bit of that here in a few slides, that exist only in the ear. And it's not new. It's very modern as far as the research, but we know it's it actually developed in ancient China, so it's not a a new world thing. It's very, very old. And these extraordinary points will be very, very easy for you to implement into your daily treatment plan for your patient or your client. And without further ado, just a little bit about me, I am a board certified, American Chiropractic Association Diplomate. It is the only diplomat that's actually recognized not just nationally, but worldwide as a chiropractic diplomat in acupuncture. And, of course, here, it lets you know a little bit about me, and you can always peruse that later.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:08:31 - 00:09:44
But there I am and on with the show. The description I've put in here, you'll not only learn the auricular or master acupuncture points and why it might be a good idea to integrate them into your clinical protocols, but we will cover how to integrate them, why to integrate them, why that will, increase your patient's positive treatment outcomes, and, how you can do this on the next visit or even today, especially if you're already certified and you've had a little bit of auriculotherapy in the past, but maybe feel like you need a little bit more, or even if you've had none, the points are very, very easy to find. Lot a lot of times, people think you have to have special instrumentation to find these points, but they're not hard to find. Most of you are aware of the electrical stimulation devices. Some of them some of them are called Pointer Pluses. You don't really need those. If you want to use electrical, that's fantastic. That works even faster for the patient in breaking that pain, modulation there in the body and the brain, but you do not need electrical devices or current.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:09:44 - 00:10:31
You can use the really, really tiny I use the very, very smallest needle I can find. It's for me, it's been the Sera needle, and it's, the size is the facial needle. It's just so tiny. Patients don't even feel it in the ear either. Otherwise, if you use your your average gauge needle acupuncture needle in the ear, not only could there probably be a little bit of bleeding, there could be, a lot more pain involved for the patient, and that might not give them an a reason to want to have you repeat that. Whereas with the electrical devices, much of the time, those are those are pretty They're they're pain free. So that's a little bit of the course description. Here's a picture of 10 points.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:10:31 - 00:11:22
So I actually go through 12. There are 2 additional ones that we'll also cover at the end of the PowerPoint presentation, for off everything for the upper limbs and any type of pain for the lower limbs. So so a total of 12. But as you can see, I'm gonna I will be starting up here at the I will call it 12 o'clock. When I look at an ear, and I will you'll hear me talk about the grid. A lot of these points are on grids, and and they're parallel to each other or they're perpendicular to each other, and that's just how how they are. It's almost like if you think of the ear as a hologram, you've got all these grids and, you've got deeper deeper lines, deeper points, more surface points. And just for, for the knowledge here, you'll see these green triangles that you can, observe here on the screen right now.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:11:22 - 00:11:46
And then the little square blue cobalt blue rectangles or circles. Excuse me. We'll start with the allergy point. It has one of each. So what that tells me and what that will tell you when you look at a slide, and there's a key on a following slide too that you can a legend. The round cobalt just means this is a surface point on the ear. You don't need to look for it. It's not hidden.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:11:46 - 00:12:55
It's not underneath the ridge or behind the ear, posterior ear. It is right there at the the allergy point actually is at the apex of the ear. The easiest way to find that is for you to take after you've observed the patient's ear, we haven't gone through any of the inspection or observation, but you will you can fold the r the ear just almost in half there. And at that very tip where that crease is where you fold, that will be the allergy point. Now there's a second allergy point, and I do use that if the surface allergy point, the one that's in blue, doesn't seem to be quite doing the job that I think it needs to be doing. Maybe on the 2nd or third visit, I can add that little green triangle means it tells me in the reference material that that is underneath that ridge there that's on the superior helix of the ear. So you have to go in there with a pair of tweezers and find that or, you know, use your hand and look under there. It's it's underneath that little ridge, and you can feel it right now in your own ear.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:12:55 - 00:13:40
There's just a little ridge there, and it's right right at the apex, but it's underneath that little ridge there at the superior helix. That's the allergy point. Then if we're going clockwise, for me, it would be to the right here, sympathetic autonomic point. That's obviously hidden also. It's in that green triangle there, between the superior helix, and then we're headed down towards the, what would be the helix route. So not quite midway, about 2:30, maybe 3 o'clock there. Then we have the mass, we have the zero point there at the root of the helix or helix root in the ear. On around to the master oscillation, you have the tranquilizer point, and we'll go through these pretty quickly.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:13:40 - 00:14:34
Endocrine, the master cerebral, master tensorial, the thalamus point. Always look at the thalamus point as about 7 o'clock on the, what we know we'll know to be here in a quick review, the anitragus of the ear. The zero point, which we covered that Shenmue. It's also known as divine gait. So just the name itself kinda it tells us is pretty special point, and we'll learn all about those here beginning now. But first, all of you know the parts of the ear, but it seems to be, on the 100 hour exams anyway. We have a national 100 hour certification exam, At least in our state, that's required, and then the, national board acupuncture review is also required. But this seems to be the group of questions that doctors miss the most, that students miss the most.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:14:35 - 00:15:50
The student doctors, the the doctors, the PTs, whoever, MDs, there are a lot there are just a there's a lot of anatomy to the ear, and here are the different areas for you to review and look back at when we talk about where each one is located. You've got, I think there's 12 or 13 different areas where points can be located, and there's probably even some more, and I I know there are more, posteriorly, which we won't even cover today. But there are several points on the posterior surface of the ear. But moving right along, also know, at least depending on your scope I know here where we are in Texas, our scope is limited. Our rule of law here in Texas is limited to neuromusculoskeletal. So we do cover a lot of musculoskeletal points today. However, if in your your scope, you can treat other conditions, many of these points that we'll cover today and will will be cut will cover all the musculoskeletal, but you'll also see where they cover other conditions. So if you have a broader scope than we do here in Texas, great, wonderful.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:15:50 - 00:16:42
You can cover many other conditions for your patients with ear acupuncture alone without even touching any other touching any other part of their bodies. And, of course, people it seems like it's always a question from the chiropractors that are in the group anyway. You always adjust the patient first, then you provide the therapies. Occupuncture is therapy modality, and it is performed after the patient is adjusted. So just in case you had that question. But when you look at these musculoskeletal points here, attendees, you'll see points for every every system in the body. You have your lumbar spine, your sacral, your thoracic. You'll see cervical spine there, face, eyes, forehead, temples.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:16:42 - 00:17:47
And while we're looking, elbows, chest, wrist, hand, and fingers, knees, their toes at the very top, almost at the apex. Beside it, I put the little homunculus that you see in all the embryological books and the diagrams and the acupuncture books. And if you look a lot a lot of times, these musculoskeletal points correspond with a part of the body if it were an upside down or inverted fetus there in the ear. And we know, that it's it's nothing new. Again, auriculotherapy is is not not it's more modern now because we've proven how it works. With all our modern technologies, we're proving more and more how it works, but it's very, very, very, very ancient. We know, we'll start with allergy point, but real quick before we move on to the points, just a little bit of history. We know that the ancient the ancients Chinese did have auricular points.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:17:47 - 00:19:16
They did exist, and they are mentioned in the Beijing as some of the most, the oldest books on the planet that do describe acupuncture and list all the conditions that it can help. But in 1957, really, when it started in America, doctor Paul Nagy, and many of you that are in acupuncture have heard of him, his, son now carries on his legacy. He connected these, and I'm gonna go back one slide, these somatotropic or the inverted fetus correspondences to the auricle or the ear to the auriculopart of the ear. And when he did that, it modern China just had them just went kind of nuts about this because they thought, well, this is us, and we haven't even discovered this and or maybe they had discovered it and just hadn't written about it. But so the year a year later in 1958, modern China initiated a massive study, and they they did this study using doctor Nogier's clinical effectiveness of this auricular acupuncture, and they found it to be incredibly confirming and successful. And and it just exploded at that time. It kept exploding. So by the early seventies, there was, there were cases researched for many, many different types of, quote, modern problems or conditions in in humans.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:19:16 - 00:20:21
And one of those was the detoxification of opioid withdrawal withdrawals. And they used it, in the seventies, actually, beginning in about 1973 here in the United States. There was a doctor, an MD, Michael Smith, and he applied auriculoacupuncture to, much of his clinical work, where he helped addicts withdraw from opiates and crack cocaine, alcohol, nicotine, you name it. And he actually used double blind studies that that began shortly after that, all proving that these points work. So many of you are familiar with NADA, where the detoxification group now has the, 5 5 points they use for, addiction withdrawal in these addiction centers. So it's it's a it's a business all in of itself. So a little bit on the history, wanted to cover that, and then we'll go to allergy point. We've already said that it is at the apex of the ear and then underneath that little ridge there at the apex of the ear.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:20:24 - 00:21:35
And the the main thing too, real quick, to remember, and I I didn't mention this on the slide on the master points that we are going over today, They don't relate to any one specific anatomical organ, but they do affect a broad range of physiological functions, just as many other body points do also. So in your allergy point, it's used for anti, any inflammation responses. So you think, oh, well, we can't treat allergies under our scope, or I can't do that in my office legally. Well, no. You can. Because while you're treating that rheumatic arthritis or any inflammatory response, guess what? Whether we like it or not, it will address the energy in that human's body. And those of you that are familiar with acupuncture understand this even better, more than I can go into today. It will address that imbalance in that body that's causing those allergies maybe to affect that that patient or that that human more than, necessary, or it trigger that immune response immune response in a, contraindicating way for that patient to not be miserable with with a con with a condition.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:21:35 - 00:22:08
But it's also used for rheumatic arthritis, toxicity. It will also help if a patient's in anaphylactic shock. Not that we treat that, but it could actually help that. And it excretes the metabolic ray waste. It helps the body excrete metabolic waste. So all of these things are gonna help inflammation also. So I put it in here, wanted to cover it because we treat inflammation every single day in our offices, as chiropractors. And, of course, that's the perspective I'm coming from.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:22:08 - 00:22:48
But even as the therapist, a physical therapist, you are treat your patients have inflammation in their body. It's a it's a biggie nowadays. But it can also be used, the slide tells us, to relieve excess chi, and and it can also and I do this quite often. I'll let the patient become part of the answer instead of me being the provider and me me me being the one that that, quote, heals them. I let them know they're responsible for their own health care. That's their body. It's their point. They can stimulate that point.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:22:48 - 00:23:42
And one one real easy way on the allergy point is pinching it because it's so easy to find. You just fold your ear and then pinch that where that crease is. And and not hard, but just 3 or 4 times a day that allergies bothering you, you can do a little pinch. Also, we have pressed needles, many of you are familiar with, and also occupatches, seeds, beads that you can tape on that part of the ear and give that patient something to take home with them. So they have that in their ear. They can stimulate that 2 or 3 times a day by tapping. And when you see them back in 2 or 3 days, to replace that that tape, you can ask them how they've been doing with their own self care. And that puts them in charge of their health care and takes you out of the role of paternalistic all doer when we know that, really, they're the ones that are gonna be healing their own bodies that, we don't do the healing.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:23:43 - 00:24:15
The next point is the endocrine point. So it balances the endocrine hormones, and it can raise or lower glandular secretion. Will we know alright. Well, the hyperthyroidism, hypothyroidism, diabetes, let's just look at where that point is. To that point, the way I find that point is, to me, it's so easy. Just find that inter tragic notch there. It's right there in the center. If you look at the area as a grid and you were saying, okay.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:24:15 - 00:25:24
Allergy points probably at 12 o'clock, you can really you can pretty much put the intertrach at notch at 5 or 5:30, not quite 6 o'clock where the lobe is. So it's right there. It's remember, it's the little green triangle, so you're gonna it's down there in the little groove underneath the little rim or or fold of the skin there, and that's where you'll find the endocrine point, one of the ten master points. For perimenopause, and that's for any of the perimenopause symptoms, which could be cramping, irregularity. It also activates the pituitary gland, but it, again, has an anti inflammatory and anti allergic effect. So, again, it has an anti inflammatory effect on the entire body and promotes water metabolism. So very, very powerful point for not only endocrine disorders, but also inflammatory disorders. So there's your an anti inflammatory inflammatory point for those of us who are supposedly only treating musculoskeletal here in the state of Texas, anyway.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:25:25 - 00:26:27
So next, master cerebral. Let's look at where that's at. Again, the blue circle tells us that it is that it is on the surface, so you don't have to look for it. It's not hidden. And, really, it is part of the lobe, and how I find it is where the lobe meets the side of the head there, the the chin, the mandible, and you go up not quite halfway up that lobe will be your master cerebral. And if you think about that, when you go back to the little slide that had the little upside down fetus, the baby, the inverted fetus that's right there at the head where the cerebrum is, it does address the prefrontal lobe of the brain, effect, which we know affects decision making of of some and, initiates conscious action among other things. But it's used for nervous activity, OCD, fear, worry, neurothenia, extreme fatigue, or lack of concentration. And this point also promotes deep sleep.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:26:27 - 00:27:12
I don't know about you, but it seems like for the last 15 or 20 years of my practice, almost everyone now over 40, and it's beginning to be even younger than that, has trouble sleeping. When you ask them, are you sleeping okay? They say no. I have insomnia. They either can't get to sleep or they go to sleep and they wake up and they can't get back to sleep. This is a a wonderful point. I've used it many, many times and trained a patient how to use it or or, you know, stuck that press needle on there or that bead or, occipatch. A wonderful, wonderful point, class for our attendees for promoting deep sleep. So there's your master cerebral point.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:27:12 - 00:27:57
Next is master oscillation. Now we're going back up toward actually, it's on the tragus underneath the the tragus. So if you remember your anatomy, that little groove there that kinda it looks like a little bud budding out there at the base of the or just below the helix root is the tragus. And right underneath that rim is the master oscillation point. It's really easy to find. It balances the right and left sides of the cerebral hemispheres, the brain, used in all the learning disabilities, ADD, dyslexia, or a patient who has a who is sensitive to react or reacts to medications. And we all know which patients those are. They seem to be allergic to air.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:27:57 - 00:28:35
There no matter if some one person in the room is gonna have a reaction, I know I have a couple of patients. They're gonna have a reaction. That that would be a great point for them. And then, it we just kinda threw this in here, I did. When treating electrically, you can use a frequency as high as 2.5 hertz on this point. And, again, when you treat electrically, we'll go over that real quick. For those of you in the audience that might be using that, those frequencies. We want remember, when the patient feels it, when they say, ouch, it's too high.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:28:35 - 00:29:03
And the reason they're feeling it is because it's not going deep. The electricity is on the surface, and it's just hanging around on the surface and electrifying that surface, and they feel it. What what you want them to be is just subthresholds. So in or not threshold, you want them to be where they barely, barely feel it. So you might start low, go up to where they feel it. That's usually what I do. I start real, real low. The last thing you wanna do is shock their ear.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:29:04 - 00:29:34
It's quite painful. I've had it I've had it done. And I accidentally, when I was training, back in 04 2004, had an associate doc, was practicing on his ear. And with a 9 volt battery, just one of the STEMPRO pluses, had it a little high, and he never let me ever. It hurt him, and he said, no. You're never gonna do that to me again, and I felt terrible. It was just a second, a zap, but it was so strong. So I start I just start so low.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:29:34 - 00:30:09
I start on the lowest setting of your device. Just learn your device, start on the lowest setting, and slowly turn it up. And so the first time before you get the baseline, it may take you a minute. It may take 2 minutes, but usually not more than that to where they feel it. So when they say they I tell them, I want you to just close your eyes and focus on it, and you might have to really think about feeling it. It should be where you barely, barely feel it. That's when we know it's going deeper, and that's what you want. You want that frequency to be barely recognizable to the patient.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:30:10 - 00:31:10
So your master oscillation, great for, great for any types of just balancing the left and right side of the brain. I love to use it on stroke patients with post thalamic pain syndrome, Next is your master sensorial, and it controls the brain's cortex, cerebral cortex, parietal, and occipital lobe. It's not a neurological class today. We're all doctors, and, you know, if you don't remember exactly what all that covers, you can look that up. But where is it located? It'll reduce any unpleasant excessive sensation, ringing in the ears, which we see quite a bit as chiropractors, and blurred vision. Now it is in the lobe of the ear, on the lobe of the ear. Again, a blue circle on the surface. Easy to find.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:31:10 - 00:31:52
How do I find that? Again, it's almost halfway up the lobe. So when you start really looking at ears, you'll see huge lobes, tiny little lobes. I see grown men with little tiny ears the size of some 6 year olds. So it depends on the ear. They're all different. But it's just about halfway up the center of that lobe. So I would take the very middle of that lobe if I were to fold that lobe in half and go about halfway up to the, where you have the inner tragic notch, but it's just to the side of it. But it still looks to me like in much of the time on patients, it's still at 6 o'clock just to halfway up, to the antitragus there, up the ear.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:31:53 - 00:32:26
So that's what you'd be treating there. Again, paresthesias, we see that quite a bit with many of our patients, with our radiculopathies and then ringing in the ears, we see quite a bit too. But any unpleasant or excessive sensation. And And I know you're probably thinking right now about patients you have that have those type of types of conditions that you could you could help in your office today. Point 0. Its location, very, very easy to find. I love it. It's the helix root.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:32:27 - 00:33:06
The helix which just comes all the way around the the ear. The rim of the ear is at the very root there, right as it joins into the, concha of the ear. It brings the whole body into homeostasis, balances energy, hormones, bright brain activity. So, so, so important. I use it. It's almost an instinct now. It just takes 2 to 3 seconds electrically to stimulate the ear, 5 seconds at the most with an electrical Pointer Plus or whatever you're using. There's so many good tools out now to use.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:33:08 - 00:34:11
Why not just go ahead and do the point 0? To me, the point 0 just kinda resets the body's entire computer. Because remember, those of you who've had the minimum class, the 100 hour class, all yin and yang organs either directly or indirectly begin and end in the ear. Again, the ear is so, so powerful. So if you'll recall that in your 100 your first 100 hours, all yin and yang organs, either either directly or indirectly, begin, and or end in the ear. So this this brings the whole body into balance, resets the whole body's computer or clock, whatever you wanna call it, balances, or supports the action of all the other points you're using. So why would you not reset the computer and use point 0 on every patient? It just takes 3 to 5 seconds. Why not do it? I've had great success with it. It controls the visceral organs through the peripheral nerve ganglia and promotes willpower.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:34:11 - 00:34:59
So, again, point 0. I love point 0. I treat point 0 on every single patient. It's innervated, actually, embryologically by the vagus nerve, and that's going back to 1st and second year in school. But it's consistent with the location when you go back and look at the little, homunculus, of the cerebellum. And it's also reactive, and this isn't on your slide, but it's also reactive in many chronic degenerative conditions. So another great reason for us treating musculoskeletal, which I think most of us do the majority of. Another reason to just put this never forget this point.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:34:59 - 00:35:55
It's a beautiful, beautiful point to use to help your patient every single day. Takes about 3 to 5 seconds. You'll pick 2 or 3 points for that day. For the patient, you might only pick 1 or 2 master points and then a then a a actual anatomical point the patient's having trouble with. And you've, say, adjusted or treated the patient with all the other modalities and tips up your sleeve and magical things you have as a doctor or therapist and takes you an extra maybe 30 seconds to treat 6 or 7 points. So why wouldn't you do that at the end of the session? Or I know many practitioners who never stick needles in patients. All they do is ear, electrical, auriculotherapy, and they get incredible results. So that's your point 0.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:35:55 - 00:36:35
But those are just 3 or 4 different ways you could actually use point 0 or use your electrical, stem. If you use needles, you don't have to leave the needles in for 20 minutes. But if I do electrical needling, I, or if I do non electrical needling in the ear, I usually will do 1 or 2 points max in the ear while I've needled the other parts of the body I'm gonna I would be needling. So I just take those out and then don't use electrical that day, say. And they stay in 15 to 20 minutes. Shenmin. Shenmin tranquilizes the mind. Where is it? Okay.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:36:35 - 00:37:45
Well, it's in a in an area called the scaphoid fossa, or we it's, like a triangular shape, flowing into the the, upper portion of the ear there. A scaffold, it's a sailboat, a sail a sail on a ship on a sail ship or sailboat. So scaffold, it's actually almost in the, not quite center of the the, triangular fossa, and that's Shenmue. If you look at Shenmue, and now I know you remember the allergy point there at the apex of the ear, they are on a grid. You almost have a perpendicular line there where you could come straight down. Some people have trouble finding Shenmueen. That's divine gate, also known as divine gate. So if you are having trouble with that, you could always fold that ear and find that allergy point and then right straight perpin actually parallel with it, you'll see Shenmueh or you'll be able to find it there in the little, scaphoid fossa.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:37:45 - 00:38:27
Again, everyone's ears are different, and you just have to kinda go by their anatomy of their ear. It actually alleviates stress, pain. So, again, a musculoskeletal can treat use that. Tension, anxiety, depression, insomnia, there's another great point for insomnia. Reduces inflammatory diseases, hypertension, and also fevers. But it is a key point, and all your textbooks will let you know this. I took a lot of this information out of Terry Olsen's book on auriculotherapy, the manual, and, which I know most of you are familiar with if you've ever had a course in auriculotherapy or or, acupuncture. It's a key point for alleviating pain.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:38:27 - 00:39:15
So seems like just about all our patients come, you know, sad but true. But who else to you know, we can we can help their pain without prescription drugs or over the counter medications that also have side effects, and this is a great point, and you can teach them how to use it. And, again, on this one, it's used to to you can use it in subacute, chronic, or painful inflammatory conditions. And the reason why it's it's so important, I'll just go a little deeper here, in its relationship to inflammation, it it is a key point there along with spleen. And we're not studying the organ points today, but that's really why it's so special for any types of pain. And you don't hear about that so much. You you hear it tranquilizes the mind. It's called the vingate.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:39:15 - 00:39:58
But it, along with 0 point or 2 points that if I don't do any other auriculotherapy, because I've, say, needle to body and, you know, you don't have hours and hours to spend with each patient, but I do have 5 seconds. I'll just hit Shenmin, or treat Shenmin and our divine gait in 0 point, in their dominant ear. Don't even have to do it bilaterally, but you can because we know there's cross crossover in the brain. So many, many schools teach to treat bilaterally because of that reason. So there you go. There's Shenmian. Next, we have the sympathetic autonomic, point. Let's see.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:39:58 - 00:40:53
It looks like it's gonna be a hidden one. It's the green triangle, and it is, the easiest way that I've ever found to find to to locate this one is you go to the antihelix. You've got your helix. You go to the antihelix cross there, but on the helix or underneath the helix as the antihelix crus or cross, connects. So if you're looking at the ear again, and I'll do this again, it's say it's a clock, and 12 o'clock is the allergy point, which we covered first. 1 o'clock, I would say that the sympathetic autonomic point is around 2 o'clock on that on that grid. It's for it affects the sympathetic and the parasympathetic nervous system and the balance between the 2. It's used for spasms, pain, and smooth muscles.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:40:54 - 00:41:40
Many practitioners use it in their asthmatic patients. It does affect the equilibrium of the body, and and that means equilibrium balance proves or improves circulation via vasodilation. So it's used in any stress related health disorder and and, again, much, much more. There's too much to put on one slide of what sympathetic autonomic point can use, but distinct spasm, sympathetic autonomic. So a patient with lots of spasms, and you have to go under that little ridge there to find it, not hard to do. Not hard to find. Okay. Now on the next one, the thalamus point, let's first find its location.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:41:40 - 00:42:31
Again, it's gonna be hidden underneath the little ridge there. The easiest way for me to tell you to find this one is find the antitragus, and the antitragus is found with there's a little it's almost like a little bulb that sticks up there on the ear rim, and you can see the little bulge there or little bump. It's underneath there. It's that's the antitrachis. It's right underneath there. For overexcitement, it would regulate schizophrenic patient or depressed patient, restores tranquility, reduces chronic pain. So you wanna take it anytime you have a patient who's been hurting, I think, for more than 6 months is chronic. But you and I both know we see patients who've been hurting every day for 10 years come in, and this can actually reduce or actually reduce or or actually stop their chronic pain.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:42:31 - 00:43:12
I've actually seen it to where the patient just goes, the next morning, I woke up, and I'm not stiff anymore, and I don't hurt in the mornings anymore. After one treatment, the next week actually, this was really recently. The lady comes in. She's referred to me by her internal medicine doctor who, who actually had come in and been introduced to acupuncture. Instead of his 3rd back surgery, he knew that would not be successful, and so he was trying anything. He had heard about acupuncture, heard about me, came in, and he's now sending me at least 1 to 2 new patients a week. I never asked him to, but he he had such great results. It kept him from a third neurosurgery.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:43:13 - 00:43:59
It was just amazing for him, and so I was so happy for him. And now he's sending these patients with just a plethora of diagnoses. This little lady is your typical osteoporotic in a walker already bent over almost almost 80 degrees. Just so sad. Can't straighten up. Her back has already grown that way with the dowager's hump, but she is so uncomfortable and hurts so chronically that she has to sleep on her couch, so which makes it even worse because she's humped in a little fetal ball. And after one acupuncture treatment, this has been about a month ago, she came in the next week. I see her once a week.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:44:00 - 00:44:42
And, she said it hasn't stopped all the pain, but when I get up in the morning now, I'm no longer stiff. I used to hurt in the mornings, and now when I get up in the mornings, I don't hurt haven't hurt all week. So I'll I'll take that. It's used for drug detoxification, internal organ function, tonifies the brain, and calms the mind. So, again, thalamus point, it is related to the modulation of pain. It's wonderful, wonderful, wonderful, for pain. So don't forget that one if you have pain patients, which I think most of us probably do. Way more than we probably want, but that's that's what we can we can help.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:44:43 - 00:45:28
The tranquilizer point, where is that? Okay. That's gonna be on the surface. Really easy to find. The you'll find the tragus, which you see kind of like little bud growing out there at the side of the ear underneath the helix root. That's the tragus, and right below the tragus, almost between it's it's really it's really at the inter it's between the inter tragic notch, which is at the bottom there where the ear starts, you know, back up, the little form of the ear. It's halfway between the tragus and the intertragic notch. Is your tranquilizer point? Well, it's great for any type of anxiety, overall relaxation, general sedation. It's also a good point for your hypertensive patients along with, and chronic stress.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:45:28 - 00:46:40
Now along with your hypertensive patient, if you're allowed to treat hypertension or, say, you just wanna treat it in yourself or your, you know, someone there in your family, that point along with the allergy point being bled with a little tiny lancet can bring down the hypertension immediately. It's it's an amazing thing to watch. We've actually done it in class where the person the same person took their blood pressure, and then we bled that allergy point, treated the hypertension point, and I think we might have treated a couple of other ones too, in the ear only, and then 10 minutes later, took their blood pressure. And it, it had it had lowered by 10 to 15 points on both the systolic and diastolic. So there's and there's been, case studies on this too, so you can look those up if you need to on the Internet. But it's not a secret that that point can help lower blood pressure. Now for pain control, this is not one of your master points per se, but I thought, okay. You know, I don't wanna focus this whole thing on pain, but we do treat pain and patients come in and they want their pain treated.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:46:40 - 00:47:18
I always tell them we can treat pain. It's like the the branch tree, but we wanna get to the root. But I don't mind treating the branches, but we don't wanna cut off the branches. Excuse me. We wanna get to the root. Right? And they'll say, sure. We wanna get to the cause. I will eventually get to the cause, but if we need to treat your pain in order to get you to come back and understand that we need to do more to get to the root possibly, Let's get your pain under control because it makes for a miserable life and, miserable life, miserable wife, and all the other things people say.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:47:18 - 00:48:02
So these are the most commonly used points for pain control class. You can see here most of them are on the surface. There's only 2 or 3 that are hidden. Hope you can use this slide. The ones for dental analgesia have been used by dentists now for decades and very well researched, and tons of take case types out on that. If you wanna look at a lot of case types without researching yourself, the book by Olson is the best, the auriculotherapy manual. He's got just dozens and dozens of case studies in there. But you have your spinal cord, your brain stem, just everything sciatic nerve is a great control point to use on your patients with sciatica.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:48:02 - 00:48:49
So you'll find your favorites and pick those, and I've even had, some students use the dental analgesia for, like, if they're going in to have their tooth filled, they didn't wanna get their face all numb with much success. And the dentist all know about it. Not all of them are versed in it, but they all know about these points, and they know that they work. So it's kinda nice to be just recognized by the entire world now for all these points. Now here are the 2 extra master points that weren't on the original slide of the 10. There's the one for the upper limb, Use for pain and swelling in the upper extremities. Anything in the arms, anything, in the, elbow, anything in the forearm, wrist, fingers, great point to use. You go, okay.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:48:49 - 00:49:37
Well, where the heck is that one? What I would where I would say that one is is if you're at the lobe there at the very bottom, it looks to me like to be about, I don't know, maybe 8 o'clock if we're going on up the clock, up the actual helix it's down the helix tail. It could be almost at the very end of the tail is is what I would call that, where the tail meets the lobe. The antihelix tail meets the lobe, if you're looking at that slide. So there's your upper limb master point. Again, they only need to be stimulated for 3 to 5 seconds. It's not long. Not long at all. In fact, the patient, a lot of times, say their upper limb, say it's their wrist, and they've got carpal tunnel maybe, and it's their wrist.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:49:37 - 00:50:09
What I would have them do while I'm treating it is slowly move your wrist now in the direction that used to hurt and just move it now. Move it in every direction. So for 3 to 5 seconds, they just move it, move it, move it. And a lot of times during the motion, they'll just, they'll either feel a release or they'll hear a pop or feel a pop or, it's it's pretty amazing and audible. Actually, you can even hear it, or they'll say, oh, that doesn't hurt anymore. So it's pretty special. Same thing with the lower limb. Say it's their, knee.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:50:10 - 00:50:54
So they're sitting, and while I'm treating this point, they're at the, actually, almost at the helix root just above that, at the, tragus notch there next to the helix root. I'll have them move the knee, or I'll say move it in the position that it hurt you know, where it hurt and keep slowly, passively, or actively moving that. And, they will feel a click. They'll feel, yeah, a crepitus, pop, whatever you wanna call it, click, and say, it's not hurting anymore. I can't believe this, and it'll it'll just be an moment. So, those are the slides. I wanted to make sure most of you probably saw the little acknowledgment there at the bottom. Doctor Adrian Larson r Larson with meridiotech.com.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:50:54 - 00:51:37
Thank you, Jessica, for letting me or allowing me to acknowledge him for his letting us learn from his 3 d auriculoprogram. He's actually a very dear friend and has said, here with your legend that, you know, we could, as teachers, use any of these, and he wanted a little blurb that said hello, and thanking him. And so thanks, doctor Larson. Contact info is here for you in the future. And then, again, if you wanna look up some electrical, devices or anything more about auriculo 3 d classes, whatever, he has those available there from his website. Thank you very much. This was fun, and I can't wait for questions.
Jessica Riddle 00:51:38 - 00:52:32
Wonderful. Thank you so much, doctor Korban. This was absolutely fascinating. And, one thing that really piqued my interest was to hear you talk about the use of these points when patients are doing different movements or moving some of the joints that are affected, which fits in perfectly with our FAKTR rehab systems. So those of you that are factor docs out there listening, it's really cool to kind of hear all of the different modalities and treatments that can be utilized, you know, kind of in line with the factor system. So to that end, doctor Kurban, if you could tell us a little bit about some of your favorite modalities or other treatments that you use in combination with these master points. I'd love to hear a little bit about and I know there's not no such thing as a typical patient visit, but a little bit about some of the treatments that you find are really effective when combined with these master points.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:52:32 - 00:53:19
Well, I hope thank you, Jessica, so much. I would love to share with you, especially, we'll just take back pain for that's mainly what we see, it seems like. But, again, I'm seeing a lot of shoulders. There's a point called master shoulder that we, you know, haven't gotten into here that just works like magic. Just a a personal snippet here, and I don't really like to talk about myself. But last year, I went for I I had a lifting injury in the shoulder, and and it just there was nothing wrong with the shoulder as far as impingement. It it was it was a tendon. It was tendinitis, and it just on and on and on.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:53:19 - 00:54:07
So I was teaching up in Kansas City one weekend, and we actually had doctor Larson come. And he was doing an auriculosection and showing us the pointer plus or pointer select. And he just I thought, okay. I just felt it in my gut. I never did this because I would let pay I'd let students and and, you know, the doctors in the class be treated. But he goes, does anyone have anything going on they'd like for me to treat today? And I just, like, couldn't even jump up fast enough. And for 6 months, I had, like, really and truly, on a daily basis, did everything that I knew to do, adjusting, you name it, and to no avail and was really, you know, kinda getting tired of that of that pain, pain to the point where I would just roll over in bed and it would wake me up. So I'm not not doing well there.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:54:08 - 00:54:48
And he treated me with electrical. He treated the master shoulder. He treated Shenmen, divine gait, and he also treated the cervical. And as I was making the passive mill motion with my shoulder in the direction where it was hurting, it just automatically range of motion increased by 75%, at least the first treatment. And he the whole audience and he he he and I just went, woah. It made such an audible crepitus and click when it finally released that the whole crowd could hear it. I mean, I think there were about 45, 50 people in the room, and everyone went, woah. It was so loud.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:54:48 - 00:55:12
And I immediately felt relief. And to this day, this was last year. This is probably last June, July, almost a year now. The the shoulder has not bothered me at all. Not at all. So we see that kind of results in our patients too. I'll just share that with you personally. And that's what made me even go, you know, I need to be doing more auriculo.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:55:12 - 00:55:57
I was doing auriculo, but I thought, you know, there's so many modern tools out here now, and through meridia.com. He he has the most modern, in in my opinion. I've looked at all of them. And the the crazy thing is he doesn't mostly he doesn't mostly market to chiropractors. He's a chiropractor, but he has acupuncture stint with him that help him, and he's mostly the acupuncturist and now PTs and things like that. So he's, he's pretty great guy, and he's got some great tools there and great learning videos. But, yes, that would be a protocol. But, again, always adjust first, and he made sure that I had been adjusted before he treated me.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:55:58 - 00:56:17
And it just all the tools that you have to me, I I hope that answered or helped a little bit, Jessica, but that's just a personal opinion and and actually happened to me last year. And I was pretty I was starting to get a little concerned about it. So, especially as a chiropractor, you don't wanna have that kind of shoulder pain the rest of your life. So
Jessica Riddle 00:56:18 - 00:57:18
Oh, absolutely. And especially because, you know, what you provide, the service and the care that you provide is so physical. I know how important it is to kinda keep your body in shape. And one thing we've heard time and time again from docs, you know, throughout various disciplines, not just chiropractors, but, you know, PTs, MDs as well, is that, you know, you really can't just rely on only one tool in your tool belt. You really have to have a diverse, you know, various offerings that you can pull from because you never know what type of patient is gonna walk in your door and what they're facing specifically. So when it comes to your assessments and the exams that you do with a new patient, are there specific symptoms or indications, things that they say that kinda jump out as a red flag that make you think, okay. These master points would be perfect for this. Like, this you know, if if I see this in my exam, I know immediately, you know, this is something that I can treat and get them some immediate relief.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:57:21 - 00:57:40
Yes. Absolutely, Jessica. You, you just you learn that as a physician, I think. You just or any provider. You see so much over the years, and, the protocols are all there for us. And as far as anything specific, there's just so much to choose from. And sometimes you it it'll take 1 or 2 tries. You'll think, okay.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:57:40 - 00:58:37
Well, that didn't really give me the results that I wanted, so we'll try this, you know, this exercise or this stretch or, modify. But with acupuncture, it's just it's pretty amazing. It is pretty amazing. I'll call it stuff. And it it it should not amaze me. I've only been you know, I I I've been certified or since o five. So going on, 20 years of this and teaching for over 10 now, it but it still it shouldn't amaze me, but it still just amazes me every day and the research coming out, the newer research with the fMRIs and and the blood tests and the scans, the brain scans of how we're proving how, these endocrine points really do produce different hormones in the brain and blood. It's almost automatically it really it always makes me wonder how did the ancients know? How did they where were they given these points, and how were they given these points? But it it does fly out at you.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:58:37 - 00:58:56
And I think the the more you do it, the more those points come to you. And that's why I wanted today to cover the master points because these are some that will never fail you, and you don't really have to think about them. And if you just knew these 10 points or half of these 10 points, you could help almost every patient that walks in your office with this adjunct modality.
Jessica Riddle 00:58:57 - 00:59:55
No. Absolutely. And I think, you know, it it is fascinating to think about some of these treatments and how long they've been around and how they were utilized at a time where, you know, our understanding of the human body was very different. And and, again, based upon what we knew at the time and what we understood, but then again, sometimes if you look at how they understood it back then versus now, there are some things that they did a little bit better, I think many of us would say. When it comes to the use of seeds, I know you mentioned earlier on in the presentation that there are different seeds that could possibly be used that you could send a patient home with. How do you incorporate those with some of these points? Do you ever, you know, put a seed on and then a patient home for a period of time? What does that look like? Like, how long are they leaving those on before they come back to you and need actually to have needles, you know, inserted in those points?
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 00:59:56 - 01:00:46
Well, actually, they we have press on needles too that they can take out of the office with them. And and, and it depends. I like to use the, Accupatches because they're silver or they're gold or they're stainless steel. And so if that point needs to be sedated, if it's a hyperactive point or or excess chi, then I know I can use silver because it sedates. And then Jessica, gold will always tonify, and then, then stainless steel will do either one. So I tell people who are beginning to get your ACUPATCHES, maybe get 3 of each kind, but mostly get the stainless steel because they're amphoteric. In other words, they'll either raise or lower the energy in that point depending upon what the body tells that point it needs at that particular time. And that's what makes it so beautiful because you can't make the patient worse when you use stainless steel.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:00:46 - 01:01:35
If a patient say if, say, you're treating a patient for weight loss or smoking, something excess, they're they're smoking too much or eating too much, same part of the brain, You you could, if you knew that, if you knew after the history and exam that that patient's problem was, it was just excessive. Their chi was excessive there. Their nervousness was excessive. You could sedate that point with the silver, but you could always just stick that stainless steel on there, and then the the guessing's gone. The body does what it needs to do with that point, again, because the different metals have different energy frequencies, in the body. And you can actually use those occupatches on any point on the body too. But I use them a lot in the air, more so even than the different types of seeds that you can put in there. Do leave them, depending.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:01:35 - 01:02:09
They'll usually come off in the shower eventually after 3 to 4 days. But take them off and then reinsert them the next time you see the patient if you need to. But a lot of acupuncturists leave them in there an entire week. You can leave them in a week. If they're pressed needles and taped on, those can stay a week. But, again, you're, you're liable for what goes on there. So, you know, I'm always really careful when I'm teaching it that you wanna be careful. You know, the ASP needles and things like that that go deeper, that can do damage to the cartilage that I've actually seen it and heard about it quite a bit.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:02:10 - 01:02:47
They're pretty they kinda splay when they hit the cartilage. And, again, you, you know, you can do some damage and cause problems. So I always, make sure when I when I use those, press needles that it's a patient that I know I can you know, that will actually do what I tell them to do and take it out after 3 days, say, or or whatever the instructions are. So anytime you send things like that home that do pierce the skin, there's always a chance of infection. So you wanna keep that in mind and maybe just use the press the press on Accupatches. And stainless steel is your best bet there.
Jessica Riddle 01:02:48 - 01:03:47
Absolutely. That's that's great advice. And I think really fascinating to hear that, you know, there are some kind of different types of metals that that can have an interesting effect. And especially for those of you who might be considering getting certified in acupuncture, you know, definitely wanna take into consideration early on. Tell me a little bit about follow-up care and treatment, frequency for these type of patients? And I know, obviously, with all of the master points covered today, there's a variety of different conditions and symptoms that are are being addressed here. But do you have kind of some standard rules of thumb when it comes to treating these master points for how often a patient should come back in or what your follow-up exam looks like after that first treatment?
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:03:48 - 01:04:35
Actually, Jessica, you would just implement, or I would suggest that you implement the modality of acupuncture into your treatment plan that you already have. So if you're seeing the patient 3 days a week for 2 weeks and then so it's your treatment plan already. It's not a separate treatment plan for the acupuncture. Just end it, adjust the patient. If the they're not doing needles that day and or you're just an, auriculo, electrical auriculo doctor, then just take out your pointer plus or whatever you're gonna be using if you do electrical and treat, treat, treat, 5 to 10 seconds max on 2 or 3 points, and they're off. So it's not really you don't have a separate plan. It it depends on what your treatment plan is already. You don't have a separate day they would come in for for acupuncture.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:04:35 - 01:04:46
You just implement it like you would if you say, okay. We've adjusted you. Now let's go back to rehab, and let's do, you know, 30 minutes of rehab or stretching. I hope that answered the question. It's not.
Jessica Riddle 01:04:46 - 01:04:46
Yeah.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:04:46 - 01:05:11
No. Absolutely. It right in. It takes, again, 3 to 5 seconds for every point, and you pick 2 or 3 points, that that after you examine the patient and do the history and all that good stuff and see how they're doing, if they're improving and they have something else that's kinda bothering them today, you can take that little Pointer Plus and use that on a different point in the ear. So it's it's so versatile. I I love it. It's so quick. It takes nothing.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:05:11 - 01:05:46
Once you learn the points, it's just so much faster. They don't lay there for 20 minutes with the needles on, and you, you know, and you have to sit there with them and take the notes. It's it's time consuming, although, you can use the electrical all over the body too. And many people are going that route instead of having the 20 minute session where they lie down with needles in them. They're going that session because they're seeing you get great FAKTR results with electrical. They're super FAKTR. Sometimes instantaneously, like I mentioned my shoulder. Almost instantly, the shoulder, released.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:05:46 - 01:05:58
I heard the crepitus, and then I heard the release, and then everyone heard the release, actually. And then no more pain. No more it was a little sore the next day, but not like it was ever for 6 months.
Jessica Riddle 01:05:58 - 01:06:33
That's fascinating. So, essentially, you can utilize the electrotherapy to get a much faster response and, I guess, kind of a more focused response. Is it essentially the same as what you would, achieve through that 20 minutes of having the needle on? Is it kind of swapping out one for the other, or are there instances where you would definitely wanna utilize the electrical instead of that 20 minute, you know, barring time not being a consideration there? But are there specific circumstances where you really wanna have that additional energy going in?
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:06:33 - 01:07:10
That's a great question, Jessica. It's especially for your needle averse patients, they they don't even realize that you can have acupuncture with no needles. And when they find that out, they are so happy, and it is quicker. A lot of times, you get an instant response. It's supercharged almost. But then there's also those patients who don't believe that they're getting acupuncture unless they're lying down for 20 minutes with the zen music going on in a darkened room, and relaxing and with needles sticking in them. And so they benefit also. So you would go by each I go by individual patients.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:07:10 - 01:07:49
I was quite I was quite surprised when I first started acupuncture in my office that how many wanted the needles because I give them a choice. And when you have a needle averse patient, of course, they're, like, all over that electrical acupuncture. They love it. Love it. Love it. And and tell everyone they know about it. Whereas the needle patients, a lot of times, what I'm finding is the patients who want to be in a dark you know, they wanna relax. They sometimes, they are that's the only time of the day where they are actually not being overwhelmed with stimuli.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:07:49 - 01:08:38
They they they a lot of times, I stay in the room with patients, and I'll work on notes or whatever it is I need to work on. And, now that I'm kind of in a semiretirement state, not retired, still seeing patients, but, you know, and always will, but just not, you know, 40 to 60 to whatever how many patients a day people see, that they relax enough to sleep. And when they're sleeping, they're really getting their body's really taking over their control there. And so they both have their benefits, but I see, especially, if they want in and out. So you have those patients you you know, you're I always call them the 7 AM patients who are going on their way to work, and they just want in and out. They don't wanna do the roller intersegmental traction. They don't wanna do any exercises, and they they just wanna come in, get their adjustment leave. Those patients would be great for electrical.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:08:39 - 01:09:12
The patients who come in after work, say, or or they just have a stressful life, they need to lie there for 15, 20 minutes. Because relaxing and learning to breathe and letting that body heal itself is all their healing process too. So I would say, go by your individual patient and what you know they need as the provider, and you will know after speaking with them, even on a first visit, what would be best for them. But I do give them a choice. I do say, okay. This is this is the deal. And I tell them I show them, this is a needle, but it's not really a needle. It is not hollow.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:09:12 - 01:09:35
It doesn't suck blood. You're used to that. It doesn't give injections, medicines, vaccines, whatever that you're used to. It's the diameter of a hair. It's very, very tiny, and most of my patients, to be honest, and it's not me, it's the technique that you've learned through education. Don't even feel the needles go in. They'll say, you don't have 10 needles in right now. And I go, well, we actually do.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:09:35 - 01:09:53
5 on each side. You have them all in, and so don't move. And that's another thing. If they're real fidgety and you know they can't quit moving, then, yes, do electrical. So all all the kiddos all the kiddos, I do not stick needles in kids. So that would be an absolute. We don't stick needles in children. They're already scared of needles.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:09:53 - 01:10:10
They already have been programmed to know what needles are. So never I never, and I never teach to stick children. Now in and now in China, they do. I mean, you see little kids sitting in a chair, 6, 7, 8 years old, but not here. We use electrical on all kiddos. I do here.
Jessica Riddle 01:10:10 - 01:10:45
Yes. That's and that's a great point. I think it obviously can vary, especially depending upon, you know, cultural acceptance and, you know, when kids are accustomed to something because it's it's just commonplace and very prevalent in their culture. There's a very different mindset, I'm sure. What age group would you like, for your personal guidelines, what age is your cutoff where you'll start doing needles versus, you know, is kiddo 13 and under or 8 and under? Do you have kind of a a range that you look to to where if they're under a certain age, it's definitely no needles?
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:10:46 - 01:11:12
You know what, Jessica? Another great question. I don't. I just, I for instance, I had a a young boy who had some sports pain. I think he was probably in middle school. He's maybe 13, just a month or 2 ago. And his mother had been coming in, for needle acupuncture, and he he wanted to try it. So he came in and, you know, the mom's in the room with him, and he she just goes, do you want me to stay in here with you? Because I can and he's just like, nope. You don't need to.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:11:12 - 01:11:56
And I said, well, you want me to go ahead and treat your mom first so you can see how it works and and, you know, what it feels like to her? And and he goes, no. I'm ready to go, and he wanted needles. So, So, again, I give them the choice. Under 12 or so, I don't I I just think there's there's methods for children. There's a whole another course that you can spend 40 hours on called Shonishin, and there's books out on it, Shonishin for children. And there happens to be a doctor Soma Glick out of Boulder, the school in Boulder that teaches that course that I've been privileged to be part of, and she she's incredible with kiddos. So they have other little tools you can use for babies, for infants, for newborns, but no sticking of needles in children. So, again, this little boy, he didn't care.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:11:56 - 01:12:24
He's like, no. I want needle like my mom. So we put needles in him, and he laid there, and he was real still. And I think he even probably went to sleep and came in 2 or 3 times, and it seemed to help him. He said it did. So, again, you know, you just gotta you you gotta go by your patients and what they want. If he would have said the 2nd time, I don't know if I want needles again. I wanna just do the electrical, then there would be no problem to switch over either.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:12:24 - 01:12:37
So be flexible. And, again, I don't I don't force anything on children for sure. And and giving them choices a lot of times, you know, the I I just I don't know. I'm just a choice person, so I give them I give adults and children choices.
Jessica Riddle 01:12:39 - 01:13:14
No. Absolutely. I think that definitely, you know, gives them that that sense of being able to control and and kind of have decisions over their own body. That's definitely important. And we only have a few minutes here, but I did have a few more questions that our attendees have written in with. One person was asking, have there been any surprising or unexpected, symptoms or conditions that you've seen improved through using these master points? Maybe you've been treating something else, but then as a secondary result, there was a great improvement in another area.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:13:15 - 01:14:09
Oh, yes. That's a great question, and I think all of us have. And, you could go on and on and on. I could talk about things like that all day long. But the bottom line is it just drives home for me how one point can actually be used for 25 conditions, and we're finding out more and more more conditions that can be it can be each point can be used by. I don't think we know it all yet, and I think it's a real good take home message is that to remember how connected we all are and as far as the universe and the holographic universe and our bodies and each other, and to never, never underestimate the power of the human beings. What do we wanna call that? Spirit? We call it mind sometimes, but it's just the energy of the body and how it doesn't stop at the skin. And we know our heartbeats at a certain frequency.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:14:09 - 01:15:07
The healing cell is at a frequency. What is it? 2 amps, milliamps, 2 point o, a lot the the cells heal at different it they they regenerate at different frequencies. We're all we're electrical machines, and it for me, what it does is just drives home the connectedness of the entire universe for all of us and for all of us to always be aware that everything we do, think, feel, and say does matter, and it it matters to our patients. It matters to us. And, yes, every single day, something will patient will say, I know that you it's like an adjustment. I know that you adjusted my low back, but I didn't tell you this, but I've been constipated for a week. Could you do that adjustment again? I've been having trouble with constipation and that so, yes, the same thing rings true for acupuncture every single day of our lives. And it's just been the most fun adjunct therapy for me to add.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:15:07 - 01:15:46
I'm a chiropractor first, but it's just been one of the most, fulfilling and fun therapies to add. And I I did it all. I mean, I believe in active therapy, always have. I mean, we know by research. You gotta get that patient active. They've gotta start moving again. Sitting down is not gonna help them get better. And even though they're sitting down with the acupuncture all in all, it's a great, I just think it's a great adjunct modality to add at the end of the day when they've had their adjustment, they've done their rehab, their spinal traction, whatever you've got them on, and then have them lie down there and put the needles or do the electrical and then head on out.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:15:46 - 01:16:04
And the body just is supercharged. So I I love it. And, yes, I think all of us could probably name a plethora of different, moments where they were and you went, oh my gosh. It shouldn't surprise me, but, I still have moments to answer that question, Jessica. But that was a great question.
Jessica Riddle 01:16:05 - 01:17:34
Well, and I think that's a testament to being, you know, a lifelong learner is that you're always gonna continue to have those moments. And, you know, I've often told people, when I meet someone that tells me they've arrived and they have nothing left to learn, that's someone I don't really wanna interact with much more because I feel like all of us have so much to learn. And some of the most incredible minds that I've had the pleasure of interacting with through the years are the ones that are still, you know, seeking out knowledge and seeking out ways that they can improve as as practitioners and as students of of, you know, health care and what all you guys do to to treat your patients. So just one final question for you because I think this is important to kind of to sum up with here today. I know you had mentioned earlier, you know, they have 100 hour certifications in acupuncture. You're a diplomat holder, and you had mentioned a few things about the American Chiropractic Board of Acupuncture. Could you give just kind of a brief little, point of, advice or guidance for maybe a student who's fixing to finish their chiropractic degree, maybe a practicing doc that's looking to learn more about incorporating acupuncture into practice. Do you have any advice or guidance based upon your experience on what are some great first steps for them to take, or what is the importance of having that diplomate, you know, when they've completed their acupuncture certification and education?
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:17:35 - 01:18:55
Oh, I'd love to do that, Jessica. Thank you for asking. With the American Board of Chiropractic, we have, you know, they have all the boards, the rehab boards, the internal medicine, the radiology, the so we we have our, we have our council of chiropractic acupuncture, and then we have our American Board of Chiropractic Acupuncture, who actually administers the board certification pro program or exam. And it, it consists of to go to that, you could just go into www.councilofchiropracticacupuncture dotcom, for those of you that wanna get on there and look around and find a chiropractic acupuncturist in your area or look at the requirements. But it would be an an additional 200 hours on top of the 100 hour certification that would be required, and then a national board, exam, which we hold once a year. We're talking about doing 2 a year now, because of demand. But once a year, we have a symposium and an exam on Friday and then symposium on Saturday, Sunday. So the advantages of that are we're actually we file for a taxonomy code now, where when you send off for your MPI number and you list all the specialties that you do or can and then be paid on that scale, we will have our own code there.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:18:56 - 01:20:01
And I can also tell you that there, we have, many of our members and officers who have been in Washington DC now for probably about a decade talking with the powers that be in that, we can be reimbursed at the same level of an MD acupuncturist or a licensed acupuncturist or a doctor of oriental medicine or a PT who has a, an acupuncture degree also. And, you know, as in anything in government, sometimes it can be arduous and long and in a fight, but, if you'll be, if you'll if you want more education in acupuncture, to me, it just seems like the natural it's it's just the natural flow of things to go ahead and get your diplomat, your board specialty degree in it. But what it will do eventually is insurance companies are are going to require more than that 100 hours, just a heads up. And they've already told us that. They want only the diplomats. They want a list of, nationally certified diplomats, and that's who they'll reimburse on their insurance plans. And so we've gotten the word out and told them, and it's not a threat. It's just actually what they've told us.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:20:01 - 01:20:35
So just in the future, and I don't know what that means. If that means 5 years, 10 years, 15 years down the pike, they'll want that taxonomy code will be used only by diplomats, and they'll require that you send your license. You know, we have the national license and the number and all that good stuff. But, it was well worth my time. I didn't go through it like like butter, like a lot of people do. I thought, okay. Well, I don't really need that that diplomat to really be reimbursed the same in my mind, but what it was, what you said before, it was more knowledge. I knew I didn't have enough.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:20:35 - 01:21:17
I loved it. I saw what what just a 100 hours was doing, and I felt like in my heart, I need to know this more. I need to know it more inclusively and better, and and I need to study it. And then the next thing you know, I'm teaching it. So it was something I never would have thought and dreamed in a 1000000 years I'd be doing, but it's just it's kind of just all, all worked out that way in synchronicity. And I would just encourage anyone that's interested to go to the to that, that website I gave you, www.councilofchiropracticacupuncture.com, and it will answer all those questions. And but, again, if you need any anything you know, any additional questions answered, I've got my contact info, and I'd be happy to speak with you anytime about it.
Jessica Riddle 01:21:19 - 01:22:13
Wonderful. Thank you. And as an aside too for those of you that are listening, doctor Kurban is going to be teaching 8 hours of acupuncture at the Texas Chiropractic College homecoming convention coming up July 20th through 22nd on campus at TCC in Pasadena, Texas. So definitely, we will send some follow-up emails to those of you that registered so you can find out a little bit more about that event and this opportunity to learn from doctor Kurban in person. And again, we will be sending out the PDF of the course notes in that follow-up email as well so that you have doctor Korban's contact information if you wanted to reach out to her with other questions. So again, doctor Korban, thank you so much today. This has been a pleasure as it always is to chat with you. You are a wealth of knowledge and information, and we certainly had a great time learning from you today and learning about these master acupuncture points.
Janette Kurban, DC, DACBA 01:22:13 - 01:22:14
Thank you.
Jessica Riddle 01:22:14 - 01:22:48
All of our attendees, please save the date for our next FAKTR webinar, which will be coming up May 11th. We're going to be speaking with doctor, Mike Olson about concussion management and how to use graded return to sport and return to school guidelines. Again, doctor Coban, thank you so much. Thank you so much for all of our live attendees as well as all of those of you around the globe that will be watching this as recorded replay. We are done for today and look forward to seeing everyone next month. Thank you so much, doctor Coban. Have a great day. Thanks, everyone.
Jessica Riddle 01:22:48 - 01:22:49
Bye bye.