Is the government hiding evidence of extraterrestrial craft? Were aliens present during a Department of Defense technology test? Does Tom DeLonge have alien artifacts? And where did he get them from?

We're doing peer reviews, and we're getting people out and involved across multiple communities to try to to get this evidence on the table so people can look at it and understand what the conclusions are.

Today on Into the Impossible, we have the first director of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office or ARO at the US Department of Defense. Sean is a physicist and ex intelligence officer. His work has brought him into the public eye, especially given the increased government transparency and interest in UAP and UFO related topics. Sean quit his position as director of the ARO due to constant threats and harassment. However, even after he quit, the criticism and harassment only worsened. He actually had more harassment from US citizens than the Chinese and Russian adversaries that he used to work against.

The way you combat conspiracy theories and the associated misunderstandings that fuel them is fact and science and truth.

So after 18 months on the job, Sean called it quits last December and Aro published its first part of a report that he and others had worked on. Today we discuss the world of ufology, the study of UFOs, the scientific secrets they may reveal, the personal and professional motivations for so many people that are interested in this topic. Today, we'll discuss the evidence for extraterrestrial technology, UFO threats, Skinwalker Ranch, and skepticism in science and ufology in general. Let's go into the impossible. So, Sean, we normally on this podcast do a deep dive into the cover and the and the subtitle of a book, and we ask what's the artwork for. You don't have a book yet, although I'm sure people are reaching out to you, with many offers. Maybe I'll introduce you to my agent. But I wanna instead, go over an article that you wrote as, the so called US government's UFO Hunter.

And that was the title of the article. And the quote I wanna get your reaction to is this one, that you write, the conspiracist story goes something like this. The UFO has been hiding and attempting to reverse engineer as many as 12 UFOs from as early as the 19 sixties and probably earlier. The gray cover up failed to produce any salient results and consequently the work was abandoned to some private sector defense contractors. Apparently, the CIA stopped the supposed transfer back to the US government. All of this is without substantiating evidence but alas belief in a statement is directly proportional to the volume at which it's transmitted. Sean, what do you say to those people that say that's exactly how conspiracies work and we're in the midst of many, many conspiracies? How do you react to the criticisms of, well, that's just normal and and that's how conspiracies go?

Then why are we fooling around with conspiracies? This is not the dark ages. This is, you know, back in the land of reason and science and thought. And the way you combat conspiracy theories and and the associated misunderstandings that fuel them is fact and science and truth. So if you've got evidence for a conspiracy, then then that helps to investigate what the underlying truth is. There has been none that has been substantiated for this. And everything that has been brought to our attention and everything that was brought to my attention when I was in that position as the director, we investigated and discovered that it did not come from where they thought it came from. Most everything was explainable through other documentation, other programs, other people that had talked to other people.

You've, of course, done a lot of research as part of ARO, but also you're a physicist, and I thought it would be very interesting to describe, some of the interest that, as I've made the case for, why physicists should be interested. How did you get involved in in this project? It it doesn't seem to be a likely segue from somebody who was a, laser and materials physicist in the University of Georgia. What how did you get interested in this? Why should a physicist have any anything to say about this, this subject matter?