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The Inclusion Bites Podcast
Speaking Truth to Power
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Joanne Lockwood
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Saba Ali
00:00 "Inclusion Conversations with Joanne Lockwood" 06:28 Advocating for Vulnerable Women and Children 07:46 Understanding Identity-Related Trauma and Abuse 10:19 Empathy and Support for Survivors 15:54 Microaggressions and Representation Concerns 16:56 Amplifying Marginalised Voices at Conferences 21:12 Inner Conflict of a Police Officer 25:12 Police Facing Funding and Staffing Crisis…
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“Creating a World Where Everyone Thrives: "Ever wondered what it truly takes to create a world where everyone not only belongs but thrives?”
“'My superpower is my ability to amplify marginalized voices into institutional change.'”
“And I think, you know, the more I've worked in advocacy and I've worked around sort of hate crime, abuse, whether it's child abuse, domestic abuse, it's really made me realize that it's not acceptable. It's not okay.”
“And I think especially as women, especially as women of colour, there is so much, there is so many layers of abuse that we have to put up with, and so many people just suffer in silence.”
“If you're gonna represent London, which is incredibly diverse culturally and in so many other ways, it cannot be represented just by white gay men that are middle aged. You've gotta have youth.”
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So adjust your earbuds and settle in. It's time to ignite the spark of inclusion with Inclusion Bites. Today is episode 156, one hundred and fifty six, with the title, Speaking Truth to Power. And I have the absolute honour and privilege to welcome Saba Ali. Saba is a public speaker, a critical friend who champions justice for marginalized communities, focusing on intersectionality, cultural abuse, and the lived realities of queer South Asian individuals. When I asked Saba to describe her superpower, she said it is her ability to amplify marginalized voices into institutional change. Hello, Saba. Welcome to the show.
Hi, Joanne. Nice to be here.
Lovely to get you on. We we first met couple of years ago. We did both did a panel together, didn't we? An online panel, I think.
Yes.
Yeah. And, we bumped into each other at events like Trans in the City. I think the mayor of London had a had a event a couple of years ago. We bumped each other there. And more recently at, Beyond Reflections, award night, where you won the award. Hey. Go you.
I did. I won, allyship for the trans community Yeah. Which was completely unexpected. But, yeah, very honored to receive that, especially as it was chosen from the community. Yeah.
I was thinking if you're up for an award, everybody else, no chance. Saba's got this.
Thank you. Yeah. No. We we keep bumping it to each other, which is great. Yeah. It's always nice to meet Lovely. Like minded people. And
it sounds like we're gonna be seeing a lot more each other through the RSA and some of the events and the LGBT community within the RSA. So I'm really, really looking forward to getting involved with those things.
Yeah. Absolutely. I, I have definitely got you penciled in for a few things.
So if you listen to this and it and it floats your boat, if you don't remember the RSA, firstly, join, become a fellow of the RSA. Yep. And then track either myself or or Sabi down, and we can, Saba down, and we can, get into that and and find and get you in, yeah, basically.
Yeah. And I should add, actually, for those of you who don't know, RSS, the Royal Society of Arts.
Education and commerce or something, isn't it? It's it's got it's got a long bit on the end, which I never remember which way around it is, but, yeah, of arts and something else.
Yeah. So me and Joanne are both part of their, LGBTQIA network, which is doing some amazing stuff. Very excited to be part of that.
Which, I don't wanna focus on what's going on in the world too deeply to the moment, but there's a lot of stuff going on that we need to raise the the profile. So it's a bit a bit pooey out there at the moment. Is it for for queer folk?
It's not great. It's not great. I think, I think that's one of the reasons actually why I'm really championing what the RSA are doing because they are a global community. So the network is a great global community. But I think at the moment, it's so important for the LGBT plus community to kind of unite and get together and sort of try and put our differences aside and, you know, come together and work together. We really need to sort of support each other. And even if that's only in small groups that, you know, we we need to be there for each other at the moment. That support and compassion is so important.
Was there a a point in your life where you thought, actually, this is my calling. I wanna go and champion marginalized voices, talk about intersectionality. What was it apart from being a, well, at the time, a young black Muslim woman with a queer tendency, I guess? Apart from that, what's what got you into it?
So my childhood lived experience is actually child abuse and cultural abuse. So I have no recollection of the first sort of nine, ten years of my life. I know it was very abusive. I have, like, the odd generally have flashbacks, but I had the odd recollection. And my mother was my perpetrator, and I know that she had mental health issues, and she's passed now. And there were quite a few occasions where, you know, she just we're we're just she just didn't like me for whatever reason. She you know, like I said, she had her own issues. And I was a seventies child, and in the seventies, there weren't really any support organizations or groups.
You had ChildLine and the NSPCC, and that was it. But, obviously, growing up in a religious, conservative household, you know, what happened in the home stayed in the home. It wasn't discussed outside the home. And I think, part of the reason why I don't have any recollection of those early years is I just lived in fantasy world. Like, I lived in a world outside in my head, sort of away with the fairies, and I didn't have any support at all. It kind of led me down a strange path. You know, I kinda got into the wrong crowd, got into the wrong things, eventually got picked out of home because of drug abuse. But fortunately, I had people reach out to me, give me a lot of support.
In the eighties, it was quite easy to late eighties, early nineies. You know, getting on the housing ladder was a lot different to today. Priority, I managed to get sort of council housing. I mean, that's really in a nutshell. But what it kind of always what I always said is that one day, I really wanted to either help young children or help women that were kind of in my position who didn't have a voice, who didn't have that support, but also to let them know that actually what happened to me was wrong. You know, it should never have happened. And I think, you know, the more I've worked in advocacy and I've worked around sort of hate crime, abuse, whether it's child abuse, domestic abuse, it's really made me realize that it's not acceptable. It's not okay.
There's no justification for that kind of behavior. And especially being part of the LGBT plus community, that intersectionality, that's kind of where it comes in because for me, you know, I'm a woman. I'm a woman of color. I grew up in a family of faith. I'm queer. I have hidden disabilities so that, you know, I took so many different layers. There's discrimination against all those different layers. So when you break it down, it's a lot to deal with.
And I think people in the community, I've met so many people that have either been disowned by their family or they don't get on with one of their siblings or their parents because of their identity or, you know, they get abuse from people at work or at school or it can be in any setting, and it's just not okay. And I think especially as women, especially as women of color, there is so much, there is so many layers of abuse that we have to put up with, and so many people just suffer in silence. And I see it, and I hear it all the time in the community. You know, people that will sometimes open up with me and will say that, you know, I haven't shared this with anyone before. I haven't said this before. And, you know, I I I think my privilege is that people feel safe and comfortable to talk to me. But yeah. So I think just growing up with that lived experience, understanding what it's like to be abused, understanding all the different kind of emotions, trauma, the way trauma manifests into illness.
So, you know, I have complex PTSD. I suffer with fibromyalgia, which is a trauma based illness. It's understanding all those things, and it's kind of making someone aware of who they are, helping someone recognize who they are, love themselves, get to believe in themselves, and know that, actually, there is a way out. If I can do it, you know, I've gone from sort of being ostracized. I mean, I have a great relationship with my brother and sister now. I've you know, I'm very fortunate that, you know, we've managed to rekindle that. But I think, you know, letting people know that I've been disowned by my family at one point, completely ostracized by my community. My community have nothing to do with me.
They still don't know how to address me or speak to me if they see me, which I kind of find quite amusing in a weird way. But, yeah, being ostracized by the community, having nobody kind of, you know, being homeless, you know, a recovering drug addict, all those things, I've overcome all of those. You know, I've had years of therapy. I've spent decades working on myself. So I know that with a lot of hard work and support, you can overcome it. It's not easy, and it doesn't happen overnight. I mean, you know, this all happened to me in my twenties, and I'm in my early fifties now. I'm 53.
I'm not embarrassed to to to say I'm actually quite proud to say it because I never thought I'd get to 53. So for me, it's really important to share that message with people that, you know, it's okay. You know, we can get through this together. The most important thing to me is I run a monthly support group for a charity. I'm an I'm an ambassador for Avengers, which is for women and girls. And one of the things that's come up for me that really came up for me in the last session we had a few weeks ago was most people that are victim survivors or have had some form of abuse, they just want to be listened to. They just want to feel some form of compassion. And I think in the community, we we've constantly got people telling us, you've gotta do this.
You've gotta do that. This is law is for you. You know? You can't do this. You can't do that. But actually, nobody listens to the community. And I think this is something that I do a lot of work trying to raise awareness as an ally for the trans community, especially. I'm very lucky that I have some really good friends that are trans women. And then, it's that the trans community, especially, just constantly has people speaking on their behalf, speaking for them, speaking at them, and actually knowing, you know, your voice needs to be listened to, your voice needs to be heard.
So those are the things that sort of are really important to me and what kind of brought me to where I'm at today in terms of using my voice. And where for the first few decades of my life, I was silenced, and I was told I wasn't good enough, and I was told not to speak, and I was, yeah, basically silenced. I will not be that person anymore. And I'm really proud to say that I am a defiant woman today. I'm not afraid to speak up. And, you know, if you wanna call me a gobby woman, you can call me a gobby woman. But, you know, I've I've found my voice today, and I will speak up for all those women and all those other people that find it difficult to speak up for themselves. So I could
Yeah. Especially as one of those trans women that you're allying to, It's it's it's incredibly exhausting having to continue to do your own advocacy Mhmm. As standing up and and protesting or whatever it may be. And there's so much, to quote the phrase, better together, or I think it was a Brexit term. What's the question devolution term, was it? Having allies to do some of that heavy lift to clear the path, to sort things out, to because privilege gives weight. And we called this speaking truth to power. As a trans woman in many spaces, I don't have power. And as a non trans person, as a cis woman, you have more agency in that space than I can.
So to hear your voice in there allows me to sort of tuck in behind you and let you take the, the out who's in your chest, knowing full well that whatever I say is gonna be used against me, dismissed, talked over, or the same old tropes and and nasty remarks are gonna come back out. But you can still go, no. That's not true.
Yeah. I do, I do a lot of work today with the criminal justice system, especially with the police, as a critical friend. So that's basically speaking to them as a community member, not working for them, speaking to them, in an advocacy role, sort of suggesting making suggestions or, like, maybe reading something and saying, well, actually, you've missed this or giving them advice on how to deal with the situation. One of the things that I do quite a lot is I always make sure that the trans community are included in it, but not just the trans community. I sat, for example, on the MET's LGBT independence advisory group for two years, and it was all middle aged white gay men. And I don't have anything against middle aged white gay men. But if you're gonna represent London, which is incredibly diverse culturally and in in so many other ways, it cannot be represented just by white gay men that are middle aged. You've gotta have youth.
You've gotta have, you know, elders in there. You've gotta have all the different strands of the community in there. So, you know, when I go and speak on a panel or if I'm going to speak in a round table or in a scrutiny panel, I will make sure that I'm not just speaking as a woman. You know, I'm speaking as a woman. I'm representing different communities, but I'm representing faith. I'm representing race. I'm representing gender disability. And because I you know, I I'm so intersectional myself that I I kind of do it without even thinking.
So if I'm reading a document, I will think, well, there's nothing about disability in this. Like, that's completely missing. And that would just come to me naturally, not because I'm necessarily thinking about it. It's because that's how it is. And I've noticed, that intersectionality is a buzzword that's used a lot at the moment. I think if you ask a lot of people where it came from, where the phrase was coined from, they wouldn't be able to tell you that it was Kimberley Grenshaw and the meaning behind it, that it was, you know, civil rights word. And, you know, I don't know. People could look it up.
They can do their own homework.
Yeah. Well, you could tell you could tell it's a a powerful word because it's it's one of those words, along with microaggressions and other words, that the anti woke brigade throw up as going, this is a mumbo jumbo word. It doesn't it's meaningless. It's it's all about meritocracy and white people getting getting the jobs again.
Yeah. And in fact, microaggressions is another one. It's something that, you know, I'm acutely aware when someone says something, that's inappropriate because, you know, I represent so many different strands and different, I was gonna say, label or hair labels. God damn them. I don't like being pigeonholed because I don't know who I'm gonna be or what I'm gonna be each day I wake up. But, yeah, to me, it's just really important to have that representation. To me, representation is really important as I have all those voices, and I don't think it's fair that any one person can speak on behalf of a whole community or any one person can say, I'm an ambassador for the trans community or I represent, you know, it it just doesn't work like that. But the other thing as well, I just wanna add quickly, is there anything I do in relation to, say, for example, on the swooshy panel giving advice, I will always go and speak to, like, trans organizations or contacts and say, look.
This is what I'm doing. This is what do you think? Is there anything you want me to focus on? Is there anything you want me to particularly say? So I spoke at a couple of chemsex conferences last year, and in the end, I agreed with a friend of mine, a trans woman, who did recorded a video for me so that she could actually speak from a trans perspective and the use of chems. So when I spoke about it, I wanted to raise awareness of it, but it came from a trans person. And we did the same thing actually with, a black gay man. I got him to record a video as well. So you you talked about that kind of privilege that, yes, I do have privilege. I do have access to people in rooms. Is it when I go into those rooms, I will also bring those voices with me.
So quite often, that might be reading a statement out for someone or playing a video that someone's recorded for me. So to me, it's really important that I'm representing community, and I'm not there just representing cyber because I'm not an community. I'm just an individual.
That's the amplification element, though, isn't it? It's it's making sure that you've created this space for people. You've crowbarred the door open. You've given a platform to somebody, and then you're there to say, go on. You can do this. I'm with you. Go go girl or go boy. You can say or go them. And you can that's what you need sometimes, you know.
It's it's very lonely walking out into the stage in a spotlight on your own, especially if you're come from a background where advocacy doesn't come natural. You're gonna walk away. And we see it all the time where people say, I can't. I can't. I can't say anything. I'm too nervous. What if I fumble my words? What if I think I'm stupid or an idiot or something? So having someone behind you, giving you that strength, giving you that belief, I think belief is probably a good word there, that you are making sense is is so powerful. It's so powerful.
Yeah. So And
that's what you do, isn't it? Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, I know a lot of other people that do it. And wherever I have the opportunity to bring people into panels and groups and settings, I always do. I mean, I I coerced you to come and join the RSA Circle Network and, you know, any opportunity I have where I can bring people in. Like, for me, collaboration is so important. I think, like I said, right at the beginning, working in silos just doesn't really get you anywhere. That kind of, like, I want all the glory and I want all the recognition just doesn't work. You know? You have to work in collaboration.
We have to work together. It's just so much stronger voice. And if I can give other people opportunities, why not?
I don't think, actually, you you coerced me. I think you just said, hey, Joe. I've got a cunning plan. Do you what do you think? I love the cunning plan. Let's do it. Yeah. It was I'm I've got someone described as having the breaking strain of a kick. Yeah.
My resistance is very low on many things, and, I'm always up for something. You know? I all of my my mantras is, always say yes because no exciting adventure ever starts with no. Yeah. Let's let's do it and see what happens.
Oh, gosh. I'm the opposite. You see, my favorite word is now. I it's one of the reasons why I absolutely love being self employed and working for myself. It's just that joy in being able to say no. I just Yeah.
I I get that. I get that. I I suppose see, I don't see those opportunities where I say no as a no. I I I I sort of say, well, that's not a good fit for me or that's Yeah. I'm not it's all about what's in it for me. I'm not I'm not saying I'm I'm doing it for personal gain, but some things that don't resonate, and I think, well and I've I've been like you. I I've said yes too many times in my life. Yeah.
It's through that mantra. It's got me into sort of personal stress and overload and no time for myself. So I suppose I I do pick and choose what I'm gonna do. But if someone comes to me with a with a a credible, cunning plan and it sounds interesting, I'm always gonna go. And so, yeah, don't worry. I'm I'm an easy target for you if you ever need if you ever wanna ask.
I've made a mental note that's I'm only locked away.
As a marginalized person myself, I guess, and coming from within marginalized communities, there's a huge distrust of the criminal justice system, the police, politicians' power in general, really, especially at the moment where we thought things are gonna get brighter and sunnier with a change of government. It looks like we're recycling some of the same old tropes. Should people trust more, or should we still be doubtful and nervous?
Oh, I feel like I'm taking a big sigh. I I really struggle with this because there were times when I thought, should I really be doing what I'm doing? And then I kinda think, well, if I don't do it, who else would do it? And then I think, god, that's really conceited, and who the hell do you think you are? So I have this kind of constant battle with myself, but I think I've had other people say to me that I'm so grateful you do what you do because I wouldn't do it. And I've had so many people in the community say I would not do what you do. But to me, you know, I do believe we need a police service because, otherwise, I think there would be anarchy. And I think I'm lucky because I work on the inside. I've got to meet so many good police officers and police staff, people that really genuinely do care and genuinely care about our community and marginalized people and want to help. You know, I've seen officers in tears, you know, really upset when, you know, no news breaking broken, broken, broken, about, you know, like, when the Wayne actually, when the Sarah Everard news broke, I saw officers in tears, like women are really upset, stuff around the barking murders. There was a lot of upset.
And, you know, I've met a lot of LGBT officers and staff, and they genuinely care about their community. So in that sense, I think I just think there's a lot of work that needs to be done. I think there's a lot around policing that the public don't see and don't know. I think there needs to be more transparency. I think the last government really, really corrupt is probably the politest way I can put it without using
Morally and and in other ways as well.
They really were. You know, they openly said that they were gonna use the LGBT plus community, the trans community, as a wedge issue, as, you know, culture, you know, gonna make a scene out of it and cause problems. And they did. You know? That that awful, vile home secretary, you know, she changed the laws just to make it difficult for trans people. And that's all they talked about. All they talked about was what was in people's pants. They didn't care about the fact that people couldn't afford to eat or stay warm or, you know, put their electricity on, turn their lights on. All they cared about was what was in your pants.
And to me, it just beggars belief that people allowed that to be. Or when you think about, oh god. I can't believe I'm gonna even say the word Brexit. But when people be like, I'd rather lose my job and not have any money, but not being you know, get my country back. You know? I just I just think I I don't know. I just don't understand what's happening to this country, if I'm honest. You know? I I am I I do like politics. I do I mean, I really struggle with it at the moment.
As we we were saying earlier, I get so frustrated because I I am so interested in it. But then when we're in times like today, right now, I can't listen to the news. I can't listen to anything because it just it's not good for my mental health. But I think when it comes to policing, you know, they've absolutely ruined it. And we have and I am gonna say we have such a far right leaning media who absolutely twists headlines and the information that's put out there. It's completely misinformed, complete scaremongering, and the average person that reads the news or listens to the radio is getting incorrect information. So I think, you know, the police are stuck in a hard place, and it sounds like I'm trying to make excuses for them. I'm not, but, you know, they're they're understaffed.
They haven't got any money. They've had funding cuts, they've got more funding cuts that just happened, they're losing officers, their long term officers are resigning left, right, etcetera, they're in a dire straits, you know, and I really feel for them because people that, you know, I know an officer who was there for thirty one years, person of color, really compassionate, really committed to community, did amazing work with the LGBTQ plus community, And he retired, took took retirement because he was like, I just can't do it anymore. And people are losing faith, and that's because they've just been run to the ground. So in terms of why do I keep going back? Why do I keep doing it? I think because at the end of the day, our safety and our security is really important to me. And the few people that I have been able to refer and that I have put through to the police, whether it's been to do with stalking, domestic abuse, or transphobic or homophobic hate crime, have actually been dealt with really well. And they've all come back to me and said, I actually can't believe how nice that officer was, or they actually treated me really well. So on mass, they come across as evil. But one on one, when you get that, you know, one on one, they've actually been, like, I actually can't believe the police have been nice to me.
So to me, that's what's important. You know, they have caught a few of the criminals from a few of the people that I've put through. And to me, it's important to have you know, if I can be a bridge and I can be a link between the community and them, to me, that's really important. And that's one of the reasons why I started doing this work. And I kind of mainly started doing it because one of the things that I realized was that there are months when there is no transphobic hate crime reported at all. And I know that that's not true. And I know that when there's third party referrals for domestic abuse, there is literally no reports for trans domestic abuse or sexual assault, and I know that that's not true. Hate crime reports are really low.
So to me, I want the community to feel comfortable to report hate crime. I want them to report it. I want perpetrators to be caught. And the only way that's gonna happen is if we can kind of build that trust and confidence between the two. You know, the community need to be able to trust the police, and the police need to be able to understand the community to be able to speak to them, the community.
I agree. Yeah. I think the trust is low because you don't believe there's any relatability there because you're Yeah. As a trans woman, as a as a trans man, as someone who's non binary, you see binary police officers. You see cis police officers. So you've got very low confidence because let's let's face it. Being on the front line as a police officer, as a trans person, that's a pretty brutal place to be as well. You you've got not only the discriminate against your uniform and who you are, but also your identity as well.
So I guess any weakness in terms of in the view of a perpetrator is a is an angle that they've got to overcome. So I see it's a it's a pretty brutal environment to be in. I I get it. But I I reported to hate crime probably about six months ago. For some reason, I get random emails after I appear on GB News or do something on the media. I get people actually track me down and start sending me hate mail emails. They actually write to me. I think it's brilliant.
I think I've got I've created that much anchor in them. They actually write me an email, and they've taken the trouble to find my email address. And I this one was very vitriolic, and it was very, very nasty. So I thought, oh, okay. I'll just go to online, hate crime report, cut and pasted it, put all the correspondence in there. And they sent an officer around to to have a chat with me. And, you know what it's like? An officer turns up at your doorstep. They've got all their fluorescent gear.
They've got their big belt with their cut handcuffs and their nightstick and their torches and their radio. They're quite an intimidating Yeah. Kids when they turn up at your door, say, woah. Can I come in? They think, blimey. And I feel intimidated already, like I've done something wrong. Yeah. Does that the way they speak, their tone of voice is very authoritative, isn't it, deliberately? And you're there's no empathy here at all. It's just I was sat on my sofa.
I sat on the couch opposite. And I start talking to him, and he and he immediately had empathy, had compassion. He was looking through the evidence. It's it's just so wrong. You shouldn't have to put up with this. This is absolutely abhorrent. We're gonna do all we can to take find this person and prosecute or whatever we can do. And they left.
I thought, wow. Despite that hard, officious exterior, there was a person in there that was there for me.
Mhmm.
And I I it was sought by faith in that hate crime process. Just the fact that this person was listened to me, actually listened to me.
That's so good to hear, and I'm really glad you had that experience. One of the things I kind of work with, I facilitate and advise with new recruit sergeants, inspectors, and above. One above. One of the things that we do sometimes say is, you know, the the you know, in some situations, maybe they need to go, like, in plain clothes so that they're not intimidating as like like you said, if it's something that they're not comfortable with, maybe ask, you know, does the individual want would would they prefer a man or a woman, you know, to attend, you know, to what what does the victim survive or, you know, what what they feel comfortable with. So, you know, and that tone of body language, you know, it should be softer, and it should be, you know, more compassionate. But, you know and I, I mean, I always say, like, listen. Like, please just listen to them first before you start filling out your forms and ticking your boxes because listening is just the most important thing, and that's you know? But I'm glad you had that experience.
Yeah. I dare say if I was less mature, younger, less less robust, less resilient, less confident, I would have been very intimidated. And and that's not the person's fault. It's just
No.
Their persona the way that's how police are trained to be, isn't it? To be to be a vicious and and an authority and and a a figure that you're still dominated by. It's a uniform.
Yeah. It's a uniform. How did you feel up towards them when they left? Did you
I was I was very satisfied that I felt listened to. I felt that they they cared. They were they were gonna fight on my behalf, and, you know, they were gonna champion my cause. As it turned out, they tracked the person down, and they said this person has significant mental health concerns. And whilst they're not stopping me taking it forward, they wonder what would become out of it. You know, this this person was yeah. Does this a lot sort of thing. You know, it's they they they didn't persuade me.
Oh.
I I was I was happily guided to a conclusion where there was nothing practical to be gained. This person was just bored mentally mentally struggling, and it was more likely to cause more problems for me by pursuing them because they were Retirement. Vengeance on that. Yeah. I was happy to I was happy to go with it. I felt a bit disappointed at the time that I wanted yeah. After they persuaded me that did I want to go to court? I went, yeah. Okay.
Fine. I I was then on this sledge wondering if this person was gonna do it again. Mhmm. Every time I appear on this show, is it are they gonna come back? But, no, they haven't come back so far. But yeah. No. I I felt satisfied, and I've reported other things in the past. I was asked to leave a a bed and breakfast in Blackpool because
Oh, wow.
I was potentially a disruption to the other guests, you know, in black in Blackpool, of all places. You know? This
is Oh my goodness.
We've got we've got families here. You know? We've got families. What are they gonna think? How are you here?
Wow.
Luckily, I knew I knew a a police officer in the Blackpool area who, I think was on the Lago team at the time, whatever. That's what they used to be called. And I reported to him, and he he went out a word. And sort of because I actually managed to record it, the whole conversation on my phone at the time.
Feeling?
And it's it's pretty brutal. It's like, they're going, well because I was there with my wife Marie, and Marie Marie's standing next to me. And I was with a group of other trans women as well. We're having a weekend at Blackpool. We're we're all kind of very respectable, very chilled out. We weren't we weren't outrageous. And they said, we don't allow all sex parties in there. I said, yes, a cis woman.
If you're if you're playing the sex card, then we're not all set all one sex. Oh, yes. But you're disruptive. You're gonna be partying all night. Well, do I look like I'm gonna party all night? I was 50. So I just I just wanna come in and stay the night, have breakfast, and and do a bit and and ride the donkeys up the beach or anything. I was like, yeah.
Did you ride the donkeys up the beach?
No. I didn't. No. No. No. I was a bit too heavy. I was in excess of 20 stone. I think I'd have killed the donkey if I did that.
So I got I got a good a good satisfaction there because they asked me what does I want. I just said, look. What do I wanna come out of this this incident? And it's it's always for me, it's education. Yeah. I'm not looking for vengeance. I'm not looking for someone to be punished or have their life destroyed. I just want some education to occur, and the person just turns around and says, okay. I get it.
Yeah. And I get it now. And maybe it won't happen to somebody else. So that's all the outcomes I've ever wanted is just education.
Yeah. Do you know what? I you're spot on, and I absolutely agree with you is, I mean, I I'm a great believer in restorative justice and kind of resolving conflict in a peaceful way. And sometimes, it's just a learning incident or learning piece for that individual. It's not about causing them distress or trying to make life difficult for them. It's just helping them understand that actually what you've done is not okay. And, you know, I'm a strong enough person. I can handle it. But the way you've behaved, if it was someone that was already suffering with some form of depression or with suicidal tendencies or was in distress and you behave like that, you don't know the detrimental effects you could have on that individual, and that's not okay.
So, you know, I I I love that, you know, you're strong enough to be able to do that, and I I really applaud you for that because a lot of people wouldn't do that. They'd want revenge. And I just think sometimes revenge isn't always the best way forward. It really is making sure that person can see if they can see where they've gone wrong and why they shouldn't have behaved the way they're done. Because I think in the short time that I've known you or or the few years that I've known you, I definitely know you wouldn't be up all night partying or having sex parties as they say.
Is that what happened? So I I I must have missed the invite to that one. Now I've I'm I'm I'm too long in the tooth for, for that now. Yeah. I I do I don't even enjoy drag karaoke anymore. It's like
Oh, stormy. Yeah. No. We we can't go there because that'll go down a whole another tangent, and I'll end up people will end up hating me if we start going down the drug route.
I do like my karaoke, though. I've I've I suppose since I stopped drinking, I'm I'm not as as outgoing as I was. But when I was drinking, I was always grab the microphone and, and try and do Jolene or something badly or, Suspicious Minds was my Alvis' favorite. That was always one of my go to, Suspicious Minds.
Oh, wow.
Because I was caught in a trap, a bit of Born This Way, a bit of Gaga, a bit of that kind of stuff. Yeah. All that kind of but, yeah, I I did like a bit of a sing like no one's listening, and then the people who are listening wish they weren't because I'm I don't have a voice. I have a have a scream, which is a but I'm quite happy to express myself loudly and, have fun. So yeah. But no. I I think sometimes we get we get we do get stereotyped as that that, the RuPaul Drag Race type act or the the characters from the nineteen seventies. And everyone to their own.
I'm not thinking against in fact, I embrace people who want to express themselves in using drag as a performance and and dressing up and doing what they do. Absolutely. I think there's some amazing people out there taking that art forward and express themselves and challenging people's perspectives. You probably know Daniel Lisfeld. I met Daniel
Yes.
At events several years ago, and what he does with clothing as a performance, as an art.
Yes. It's
absolutely incredible. I think he is he is stunning, isn't he? And not necessarily in a in a raw beauty way, but in a creation way. So the whole everything is is bespoke. It's a different outfit each time, and it's incredible.
It upcycles everything he wears, and you're a it's a working piece of art.
Working piece of art. Yeah. And, yeah, I had I had a great night chatting to him. I think it was a a queer Britain fundraiser a few years ago I met.
Oh, Yeah.
And, I think I think because he's quite a tall person.
He's a very
Tommy puts all of his outfit on, he's very, very tall with all this out. And I he was standing on his own. And I just I guess, because he's a he's a statue of art sort of thing. So he deliberately wants to stand there. And I just never I started talking to him, and I and I spoke to him about an hour and a half. We're just chatting away and doing the canopies and the drink and stuff. And it was yeah. I had a great hour with him, and I hope to get him on the podcast at some point.
He keeps saying yes, but he he'll never manage it because he's such a busy person, haven't he?
He is. He's done, we we've done some advocacy and campaigning work together, in the past. So we we've worked on a few projects together, because he does use a lot of his art for activism as well. But he's got an absolute heart of gold, and he's so just like you said, when you look at him, you just wouldn't imagine it, but he's got one of the softest, most compassionate people, you or me, and Yeah. Absolutely huge, huge ally for the trans community. Really not afraid to speak his mind. You know, he really says it as it is. Have a lot of time
Very well connected globally, though, isn't he? He's, yeah, done some work with rulers and leaders of Far East countries and across America, and it yeah. He's he's had some amazing gigs, if you like.
Yep. Yeah. And then he's incredibly well connected. He's introduced me to a few people as well. Yeah. He's amazing. In fact, he introduced me to Tine, Tine O'Connell, doing some stuff with her. So she's, she does some incredible stuff.
She's a British historian. So I know she's writing a book at the moment where she hopes to launch later this year on Malthref, which will be really interesting. So we'll have to bring you along to that one when she launches that.
Oh, I'd love to. I'd love to. So you're not coercing me. You're just offering me an opportunity to
Oh, no. I'm just telling you. I'm inviting you.
Yeah. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in.
Yeah. I
don't know what it is yet, but I'm I'm in.
Yeah. It'll be a book launch for her book, Malefrey.
Yeah. That'd be fabulous. So going back to when we started this conversation, you were talking about some of your early childhood trauma of your mum, your mother, and your home environment. I was a trustee of AKT for a while, the formerly the Alberta County Trust, the LGBTQ plus human homeless charity. And some of the the stats they came out with are homelessness amongst young queer people, especially young TQ people, is, disproportionate. And if you're black, intersectionally black, it's even more disproportionate. A lot of people, even in 2025, are being forced out to the streets, living with families that are toxic. How can young queer people or anybody who's living in that toxic environment get out? Because when we're when we're young, our family is everything.
Yes. And we don't know anybody else.
It's, so difficult. I tried to run away from home when I was 15, but I got caught. And, yeah, it's it takes a lot. I mean, you've you've either got to be a absolute rock bottom to just walk out the door and leave everything. As a young person, you don't it's not like you, you know, you've got a job and other support and things that are gonna provide for you. But to kinda literally just walk out of your home and leave everything behind, that's really in a desperate state. There aren't many refuges. There's the, Outside Project and, or Star is it Star Support? Who, I think Star Support is the first LGBT refuge that opened in London, which, sadly, Marie opened, and she passed away last year last year.
And I remember speaking to her just before she let me know that it it was opening. We both used to be trustees for Gallup. So I used to be trustees for Gallup, and that's how I met Marie. And I remember her saying to me that, you know, they already had a waiting list, and they were full, and it hadn't even opened. You know, I think one of the things that I'm really aware of and one of the things that actually I speak to the I've spoken to the police about is, you know, where do we signpost young people in their time of need? Because there are no refuges or places for young people, especially if you're queer, it's even harder because you've got that intersectionality, you've got the homophobia, transphobia where people You have the added fear of coming out or being your authentic selves around people. There've been incidents of young people that have left home because of conversion therapy, because, you know, if they weren't conformed to what their family wants, then they're gonna be subjected to talk to I call it talk to therapy. I think conversion, it's not really converting someone. It's torturing them.
Yeah. So it's it's a really difficult situation. And there there's just not enough support for LGBT plus people out there, especially the trans community and even more so for people that are marginalized within the community. So when it comes to disability, when it comes to faith, when it comes to race, you know, if you add that on top of it, it's even harder. There's just nothing out there. And it it it's a conversation I've had a few times with a few people that, you know, what support is out there? There's just there's nothing. And on the back of I think a few years ago, Gallup did some research, I think, when the whole anti trans rhetoric really, you know, when excuse my French, but when shit hit the fan a few years ago, there were refugees that were turning away trans people because it was causing problems because gender critical people were turning up at their doors, or people within the refuge didn't want them there. So for the trans community in fact, this was about eighteen months ago, because I remember we discussed it in a way day for Gallup, the trustees did, that, you know, for trans people, even more so when it comes to homelessness, they have absolutely nowhere to go.
So they either end up on the streets, they end up in potentially could end up in sex work to get the money to kind of rent or stay somewhere or be in an accommodation. But it's horrendous out there. It's really not safe at all, and there is nothing. You know, funding's being cut left, right, and center. Fund is being cut from institutions, let alone charities. It's it's awful. There is nowhere for people to turn. You know? We need more support.
We need more homes. We need more, services to be able to cater and support these individuals because the situation's getting worse. And, I follow a lot of work that hope not hate do, just because I I sort of, I do a lot of stuff around hate crime. So and I'm really interested in the work that hope not hate do around the far right. And, you know, they said at the beginning of last year that there would be a rise of the far right and what they would do. And we we've seen that. And we've seen, you know, in the last kinda couple of months what's been happening in the media. And it's you know, sadly, I don't think it's gonna get any better.
I still think it's gonna get worse, especially with social media taking away all the filters, and people seem to be more emboldened at the moment. And Yeah. I don't don't wanna say the t word, but with the t word back, it he's just given carte blanche for people to do and say and behave how they want. We've got leaders on stages doing Nazi salute, so it's not a good place. We we need support, you know, which is why to me, even if it's just meeting in a park or meeting anywhere or doing online support groups, being able to just listen to people, speak to people, knowing that they've got someone they can turn to and speak to is so important and why we need to come together. We need to sort of start working together.
It's sad to me that I see many people in the communities where we share trans, queer are making public statements on Facebook about them pulling off the platform. And, yeah, I mean, people worry that it's gonna become very toxic, but there is a lot of good in the groups and the private chats and the environments there. So I'm really keen, as I would call it, hold the rope. I'm not letting go. I'm not gonna exit place by Facebook because there's so many supportive groups, so many people out there that I know that they've got my back. We can talk about things. I think if we're not careful, what we end up doing is we end up being driven out of this supportive environment by these big, glib statements. I think what we should do is just stand in protest and say, I'm not leaving anywhere.
I'm not going anywhere. And I, hopefully, Facebook won't become a a tumbleweed zone for queer people because there's a lot of a lot of private groups and communities out there that are safe spaces.
I hope so because I don't really use Facebook. I mean, I I haven't done for a long time. I don't. I can only manage one or two social media platforms. But I hope so because I think that that community focused community groups is so important at the moment. The word chosen family gets used a lot, and I think at this moment, we need our chosen family. We need some few around us, whether it's groups of two or three. You know, you only need one person to listen to you to feel, you know, that the problem's halved.
You know, I I I do believe in that saying that inner problem shared is problem halved because I do it all the time and I feel better the minute I've let it go and released it. And sometimes it's not necessarily solving a problem. It's just being able to share it and telling someone that, look, oh my God, this is how I'm feeling. And knowing that someone's there listening to you, supporting you, it you know, it's it's enough in your time and need.
Big scene unheard is so I often think about it. If you think about the the analogy, blowing into a straw and blowing into a balloon. If you're blowing into a straw, there's no pushback, there's no back pressure. You've no idea if you're making a difference. But as soon as you pump into a balloon, you can feel it. So when you've got support, you've chosen family, you've got people around you, even though it's just reflect, share you, have a hug, have a virtual hug, have a tell me more. It's it's a way of really allowing yourself to sort of have that human connection, that human contact, isn't it?
Yeah. Definitely. How do you what do you do to sort of unwind or have downtime or look after yourself? Because, I mean, you do a lot of stuff as well. So how do you
Well,
something
wife, Marie, who loves me to bits, and we are soulmates and best friends, and we do lots of everything together when we're not when we're not doing work and stuff. But we we work together. She's she's part of the business. So my mom is incredibly supportive. Yeah. I when I transitioned eight, nine years ago, she's become one of my biggest allies, and she'll advocate for me. My our two children and their their their partners, it wasn't necessarily get me and fully understand me that we have a great family. So we do Sunday lunches, we do family stuff, we go to the cinema.
That's so nice.
So I live in a very, very, very safe family unit. So and I and I have an incredible network of of of business friends who are a lot of them are real friends, around the world that I've built over the last eight or nine years. I'm incredibly privileged that I I have that network, and I've got my my my my my real family and my chosen family, and they're all together. And they're so, yeah, for me, is he I say, I'm lucky. I'm privileged. And I but I know many people who are isolated. Their their home life is toxic or there's a conflict there between who they are coming out, having to behave in certain ways around certain family members. So, yeah, whatever I did write, I did write.
That's so nice to hear, and it's so lovely to hear as well because I think amongst all the doom and gloom, when you do hear positive stories, it it is uplifting, and it does kind of make you feel warm that there is that goodness out there as well. It's not just all gloom, and people are
So Marie and I want other people to feel that way. So it's it's part of Marie's Mhmm. If you like, drive to to work with me in the business is to enlighten the world that it doesn't have to be doom and gloom. I appreciate for some it is, but we wanna rewrite that book. You know, the book that says you're gonna lose your house, you're gonna lose your car, you're gonna be fine, you're just everyone's gonna hate you and always rejected. We said, no. No. We're not we're not we're not having that book.
We're we're writing our own book. That's about how families can succeed, how just because someone is comes out as trans, queer, gay, or whatever they come out as, It doesn't have to be the end of their life. And we we should people hope either with their traditional family or help with their chosen family and of support because living the lie or living in a box is is not not a future for anybody. They shouldn't have to live that way.
No. Do you know you were reminded me actually of something that I I remember having a conversation since a few years ago with someone, and they were saying, one of the things that we don't do as a community is actually celebrate people when they do come out or when they do transition. We always mourn the loss that, like, you know, parents lost their child you know, their son or their daughter, but we never celebrate the welcoming of a son or a daughter once a transition's taken place or welcoming that someone's come out and celebrating their true authentic selves. I think we need to do more of that in the community. We need to celebrate more and enjoy some of the times as well.
I mean, Marie Marie often tells the story that when I when I transitioned, there was a real polarization between the support I got, which is very, very positive. Everyone's like, you're brave, the big hugs, and go girl, all this other stuff. And Marie got the sadness. Marie got the, oh, it's, you know, not too old. You could get divorced and find somebody else. Don't worry about it.
You know,
move on.
She felt just, like, told her.
No. It was, like, she even worked for counseling with somebody who's just been out through this. And the counselor's almost, like, taken down the path of, I can help you get over this relationship and move on. And we said, no. No. No. I want you to help me get into this relationship and make it work. But that was ten years ago, so I don't know if the the counseling or support you get is better now.
But, no, Marie if you talk to Marie, she always felt the one who's two steps behind. Everyone loved me and was or I didn't know what to say though. It's like she was the bad smell, and I was kinda like the celebrity. So it really was a problem for maybe maybe it's just my personality type, but I kind of owned it quite quick quite quickly. So but, no. I mean, now that that's our that's our our drive is to try and show that you can scam work. Just because I'm trans doesn't mean to say I'm I'm gonna fit all the stereotypes that people can throw at me.
I actually had quite a few trans couples where they have transitioned and stayed together. I think I know about four or five, and they're really happy in their relationships. Because I guess you fall in love with the person, don't you? The inside of a person, not the kind of outside. I don't know Yeah. If that makes sense.
But it is it is a big ask, you know. If you look at it, what you're asking someone to do is question their whole sexual identity as well. Mhmm. I I'd question my gender identity, but my gender identity has a an outward impact on how they see themselves in public as two women or two men together, whereas they were seen as a a traditional couple. Now we're seen as a queer couple. So Marie had to come out as queer, as bi, and she had to address her own sexuality. So everybody in a relationship Yeah. Wants or is able to or needs to to make the change.
So I can't understand why it's hard for trans people and their parts to stay together because we're asking everybody to reorientate who they are. I was bad enough for Phillip Schofield coming out in a in a relationship. So yeah. But it's a big big ask. I I think early on, I asked myself the question in my head, how would I feel if Marie transitioned?
Wow.
Could I could I cope? And I I sat there and I've I I would honestly openly say, I know I would struggle. Knowing everything I know, I would struggle to come to terms with it. I'm not saying I wouldn't come to terms with
it. Mhmm.
But it would take all of my personal
Mhmm.
Thinking and support to make it happen. So, yeah, it's it is a big ask. And I think sometimes you just think, hard transition. You'll get over it, and it'll all be easy. I respect the fact it's not easy. That's it requires work, like anything.
Well, she's definitely one to keep then.
Oh, yes. No. She's buying. Don't it's not going anywhere. No. Hands off. Hands off. Hands off.
No. She's she's
a diamond.
The, Beyond Reflections event. I do remember. Yeah. She's really nice.
Yeah. Yeah. No. She's, she's one in a million. She's my she's my one in a million or our. We share we share each other. So, no, she's fantastic. We we live, love, laugh.
We shout and scream and fight like everybody else. But, no, it's a it's a strong relationship.
That's what makes it fun. There'll be boring. Yeah. It was just all kinda flat lined and
what I know. Yeah. You got to spice up a bit. Sarah, this has been an absolute fantastic conversation. I can't believe we've been dashing for now. So, how do people get a hold of you?
I you can get me, on Instagram or just Saba or Saba Celebrity Care. There's a whole other conversation for that name. Or you can get me on LinkedIn. It's Saba Ali and then followed by f r s a. So I use LinkedIn quite a lot, so that's a good place to get me. And then you can find out more about who I am and what I do.
Saba, s a b a, Ali Ali. And there aren't many of you out there, so it's probably easy to find you.
Yep. Just look for the kind of round head, sort of semi shaved head, and
it's Big glasses. Yeah. Yeah. Love your glasses. They're great glasses. Love them.
Thank you. They're my computer glasses, actually. I've started wearing them. Otherwise, I get headaches because I'm I'm used to to taking, like, screen breaks. And I realized that I'm sat on my computer for, like, four hours, and then I'm like, oh my god. I haven't moved. It's pretty bad.
Wow. Thank you so much for your time today, and, look forward to catching you up at one of the RSA circles. And anybody else who's listening right now, if you wanna get stuck in, you've heard something here, contact Saba, and you'll find more about these circles and or the fellowship of the RSA as well. So, Saba, thank you.
Thank you so much, Sean. I'd loved it. It's been brilliant. Thank you. Thanks, Jo.
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Amplifying Marginalised Voices: Saba Ali’s Journey Through Advocacy and Intersectionality
Bridging the Divide: Building Trust Between Queer Communities and The Police
From Silence to Empowerment: Finding Strength in Advocacy for Marginalised Communities
When Family Rejects: Building Chosen Communities for Queer Youth
Saba Ali's Mission: Championing Justice for Queer South Asians
Speaking Truth to Power: Insights on Social Justice and Advocacy
Bridging Gaps: Fostering Trust in the Criminal Justice System for Marginalised Groups
Intersectionality in Focus: How Diverse Voices Can Inspire Institutional Change
Reimagining Support Systems for Queer Youth in Toxic Environments
The Power of Allyship in a Divided World: Saba Ali’s Story
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Saba Ali passionately explores the power of amplifying marginalised voices, the significance of intersectionality, and the urgent need for unity and compassion within the LGBTQIA community amidst challenging societal landscapes.
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Marginalized Voices, Intersectionality, Cultural Advocacy, LGBTQIA Empowerment, Speaking Truth, Allyship, Community Support, Social Justice, Critical Friend, Inclusive Spaces.
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In this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood invites Saba Ali to share her inspiring journey and discuss the theme of speaking truth to power. Joanne and Saba explore how individuals can champion the voices of marginalised communities, navigate cultural abuse, and work towards institutional change. Joanne reflects on her first encounter with Saba on a panel discussion and highlights Saba's recent accolade as an ally for the trans community. The episode delves into the importance of truth-telling and support, especially in challenging times, emphasising unity within the LGBTQIA community and beyond.
Saba Ali, a public speaker and advocate for justice, focuses on intersectionality, cultural abuse, and the lived experiences of queer South Asian individuals. Saba's superpower lies in her ability to amplify marginalised voices to drive institutional change. Her personal background includes overcoming childhood abuse and navigating intersectional discrimination as a queer woman of colour with hidden disabilities. Through years of therapy and self-improvement, Saba has emerged as a critical friend to the criminal justice system and an unwavering ally for those in need of advocacy and support.
Throughout the episode, Saba shares her journey from a childhood marred by abuse to becoming a powerful advocate for marginalised communities. Reflecting on her lived experiences, she emphasises the importance of creating spaces for honest conversations and providing platforms for those whose voices often go unheard. Joanne and Saba discuss the significance of critical friends within systems like the criminal justice system to ensure authentic representation and positive change.
Towards the end of the episode, the conversation shifts to dealing with societal challenges and supporting individuals in harmful environments. Joanne reflects on her experiences with hate crime reporting, underscoring the importance of supportive, compassionate communication from authorities.
A key takeaway from this episode is the transformative power of allyship and the importance of speaking up to create spaces where marginalised voices can instigate institutional change. Whether through grassroots advocacy or engaging with established systems, listeners will learn how impactful collaboration can drive inclusivity and societal transformation.
📚 Timestamped overview
00:00 Inclusion Bites, hosted by Joanne Lockwood, encourages bold discussions on inclusion and societal change, inviting listeners to connect, reflect, and inspire action. Join the conversation by emailing jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk.
06:28 In the late eighties and early nineties, getting on the housing ladder was easier. The speaker aimed to support young children and women lacking a voice, highlighting that their own past experiences of abuse were unacceptable and advocating against such injustices.
07:46 Many people face disownment, abuse, and discrimination due to identity, especially women of colour, causing silent suffering and trauma.
10:19 Proud to reach 53, I run a monthly support group for a charity and serve as an ambassador for a women's organisation. Survivors of abuse need compassion and to be listened to.
15:54 Representation is crucial, but no single person can represent an entire community. Awareness of microaggressions and consulting diverse voices is essential.
16:56 Raising awareness on chemsex through recorded videos from diverse perspectives, highlighting privilege and inclusivity.
21:12 Internal struggle with her role in policing; acknowledges the importance of the police service and appreciates the dedication of her colleagues.
25:12 Facing funding cuts and officer resignations, the police are in crisis, yet individual officers still provide exceptional support in cases of abuse and hate crime.
26:34 Bridge between community and authorities for trans issues; low reported hate crimes.
30:01 Advise new recruits on being non-intimidating, offering gender preference choices, using compassionate body language, and prioritising listening over form-filling.
34:33 Advocates for restorative justice, emphasising conflict resolution and the potential harm of certain behaviours on vulnerable individuals.
36:41 Caught up in performance stereotypes, I enjoy singing loudly for fun, despite lacking a good voice.
42:04 The speaker, a former Gallup trustee, discusses the urgent need for refuges for young people, especially queer individuals, due to challenges like homophobia and transphobia. They note the issue of inadequate resources, highlighting that places fill up quickly with waiting lists even before opening. They express concern over young people facing conversion therapy, which they equate to torture.
43:18 There is insufficient support for LGBT+ people, especially the trans community, who face even greater challenges with added marginalisation factors like disability, faith, and race. Despite ongoing discussions, support remains lacking, and issues have been exacerbated by anti-trans rhetoric, making homelessness a critical concern, with some refuges even refusing trans individuals.
46:35 Many are leaving Facebook due to fears of toxicity, but it's crucial to stay for the supportive trans and queer communities.
49:48 I feel privileged to have a supportive family and a global network of real friends, unlike many who experience isolation and family conflict.
53:09 Marie felt overshadowed and perceived as lesser compared to me, who was more popular and perceived as a "celebrity". Despite struggles, I quickly embraced my identity to challenge stereotypes, especially around being trans.
57:28 Thank you for listening. Subscribe to Inclusion Bites, share with others, and contact jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk to share your thoughts or stories.
📚 Timestamped overview
00:00 "Inclusion Conversations with Joanne Lockwood"
06:28 Advocating for Vulnerable Women and Children
07:46 Understanding Identity-Related Trauma and Abuse
10:19 Empathy and Support for Survivors
15:54 Microaggressions and Representation Concerns
16:56 Amplifying Marginalised Voices at Conferences
21:12 Inner Conflict of a Police Officer
25:12 Police Facing Funding and Staffing Crisis
26:34 Bridging Community and Crime Reporting
30:01 Compassionate Policing Techniques
34:33 Advocating Peaceful Conflict Resolution
36:41 "Embracing Self-Expression Loudly"
42:04 Refuge Shortage for Queer Youth
43:18 LGBT+ Support Lacking, Especially Trans
46:35 Staying on Facebook for Support
49:48 Safe Family, Global Support Network
53:09 "Navigating Perception and Identity"
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💬 How can amplifying marginalised voices change the landscape of power dynamics? Dive into this compelling 60-second insight! 💬
I'm excited to introduce Saba Ali, a passionate advocate for justice within marginalised communities, especially focusing on the lived experiences of queer South Asian individuals.
Join us as we delve into:
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Focus Keyword: Amplifying Marginalised Voices
Title: Amplifying Marginalised Voices: The Power of Inclusion | #InclusionBitesPodcast
Tags: Amplifying Voices, Culture Change, Inclusion, Diversity, Belonging, Empowerment, Equality, Intersectionality, LGBTQ+, Allyship, Advocacy, Social Change, Community Support, Cultural Transformation, Positive Impact, Systemic Change, Inclusive Leadership, Social Justice, Critical Friend, Equity, Marginalised Communities, Supportive Networks, Compassionate Listening, Speaking Truth to Power, Empowerment through Advocacy
Killer Quote: "I've found my voice today, and I will speak up for all those women and all those other people that find it difficult to speak up for themselves." - Saba Ali
Hashtags: #InclusionBites, #PositivePeopleExperiences, #CultureChange, #DiversityAndInclusion, #AmplifyVoices, #Intersectionality, #LGBTQ+, #Allyship, #SocialJustice, #CommunitySupport, #EmpowerMarginalised, #SpeakingTruthToPower, #CompassionateListening, #CriticalFriend, #SocialChange, #InclusiveCulture, #Belonging, #Equity, #Changemakers
Summary Description: In this gripping episode of Inclusion Bites, join me, Joanne Lockwood, in conversation with Saba Ali as we venture into the heart of "Amplifying Marginalised Voices". Discover compelling narratives about Culture Change and the essence of creating Positive People Experiences. Saba passionately shares her journey from being silenced to becoming a vocal advocate for justice, demonstrating how culture change starts with listening and collaboration. The insights shared can inspire you, whether you are seeking to enhance diversity or simply crave meaningful conversations. Dive in and be part of this transformative dialogue. Subscribe, listen, and let us know your thoughts. Your voice matters.
Outro: Thank you, dear listener, for tuning into this episode. If you found this conversation enlightening, do like and subscribe to our channel for more thought-provoking insights. For further exploration and more episodes, visit us at SEE Change Happen. Listen to the full episode here on The Inclusion Bites Podcast.
Stay curious, stay kind, and stay inclusive - Joanne Lockwood
ℹ️ Introduction
In this episode of Inclusion Bites, join host Joanne Lockwood as she warmly welcomes Saba Ali, a passionate advocate and public speaker who courageously champions justice for marginalised communities. Dive deep into Saba's compelling story, spanning her childhood experiences of cultural and child abuse, to her transformative journey as a critical friend working towards institutional change. They explore vital themes of intersectionality, the lived realities of queer South Asian individuals, and the importance of amplifying voices within the LGBTQIA community. Discover how Saba’s advocacy with organisations like the RSA and her powerful collaborations have made significant strides in creating inclusive spaces. Listen in to hear Saba speak truth to power, combining personal anecdotes with a call to action, underscoring the need for unity and resilience amidst contemporary societal challenges. Prepare to be inspired by her unwavering commitment to fostering belonging and sparking change in a world that deeply needs it.
💬 Keywords
Here are 30 topical keywords from the transcript:
Inclusion Bites,
Joanne Lockwood,
inclusion,
belonging,
societal transformation,
Saba Ali,
public speaker,
marginalized communities,
intersectionality,
cultural abuse,
queer South Asian individuals,
amplifying voices,
institutional change,
RSA,
LGBTQIA network,
critical friend,
police,
hate crime,
trans community,
advocacy,
mental health,
ChildLine,
NSPCC,
homelessness,
chosen family,
restorative justice,
domestic abuse,
allyship,
support groups,
Royal Society of Arts.
About this Episode
About The Episode:
In this compelling episode, Saba Ali joins us to discuss the vital importance of speaking truth to power, specifically highlighting her experiences working with marginalised communities. Saba's insights delve into the intersectionality of identities, the challenges of advocating for those with marginalised voices, and her journey of resilience and empowerment. This episode is a testament to the strength found in community collaboration and the transformative power of inclusion.
Today, we'll cover:
The significance of intersectionality in understanding and advocating for diverse identities.
The role of storytelling in transforming personal adversity into a platform for justice and change.
Challenges faced by queer individuals, particularly within the South Asian community, and how they navigate cultural expectations.
The importance of critical friendships in driving institutional change and the empowerment of marginalised voices.
Enhancing community trust with law enforcement through transparent dialogue and understanding.
Strategies for amplifying voices within marginalised groups to influence policy and societal attitudes.
Practical ways to offer support to those facing abuse or discrimination, including the power of belonging and chosen families.
💡 Speaker bios
Joanne Lockwood is a passionate advocate for inclusion, belonging, and societal transformation. As the host of "Inclusion Bites," Joanne guides listeners through bold conversations that challenge the status quo and uncover the unseen facets of creating a thriving, inclusive world for all. With a flair for storytelling that resonates deeply, she encourages reflection and inspires action among her audience, inviting them to connect and share their insights. Whether engaging over a morning coffee or during an evening wind-down, Joanne's mission is to foster a space where meaningful dialogue sparks lasting change. Reach out to her at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk to join the journey and be part of the conversation.
💡 Speaker bios
Saba Ali is a passionate advocate for unity and support within the LGBT+ community. Recognising the vital importance of coming together, Saba champions the initiatives of the RSA, a respected global network committed to fostering inclusive communities. With a focus on promoting solidarity and compassion, Saba believes in the power of small groups to make meaningful change, emphasising that mutual support is crucial in navigating current challenges. Through their work, Saba strives to bridge differences and inspire collective action, reinforcing the importance of standing together.
❇️ Key topics and bullets
Certainly! Here's a comprehensive sequence of topics covered in the transcript, with sub-topic details for each primary topic:
Introduction to Inclusion Bites Podcast
Host Introduction: Joanne Lockwood as a guide into inclusion, belonging, and societal transformation.
Podcast Episode Details: Episode 156, titled "Speaking Truth to Power".
Introduction of Guest: Saba Ali, a public speaker and critical friend focusing on justice for marginalised communities.
Guest Background and Superpower
Saba Ali’s Focus: Intersectionality, cultural abuse, and the lived realities of queer South Asian individuals.
Described Superpower: Ability to amplify marginalised voices into institutional change.
Community and Networking
Previous Meetings: Joanne and Saba’s past encounters at events like Trans in the City and Beyond Reflections.
Involvement in Communities: Engagement with RSA and LGBT+ community activities.
Challenges in the Current Global Context
Current Societal Challenges: Issues faced by the queer community.
Need for Unity: Importance of support and compassion within small groups.
Saba’s Personal Journey
Childhood Experiences: Discussion of child abuse, cultural abuse, and lack of early support.
Life Path: Challenges faced including drug abuse and eventual support received.
Advocacy Motivation: Desire to support others based on own lived experiences.
Intersectionality and Representation
Discriminatory Layers: Intersectionality of race, gender, and disability.
Community Advocacy: Importance of raising voices of the community and ensuring diverse representation.
Allyship and Support
Challenges Faced by Trans Community: Exhaustion from advocacy and the role of allies.
Saba’s Role: Providing a platform for shared voices and supporting the trans community.
Engagement with Institutions
Police Advisory Role: Saba’s involvement in advising police and other institutions on community issues.
Diverse Representation: Advocacy for inclusive representation within advisory groups.
Trust and Confidence in Authority
Distrust in Institutions: Challenges faced by marginalised communities in trusting the police and other authorities.
Personal Experiences with Hate Crime Reporting: Joanne’s experiences with the police and hate crime.
Support Structures for Youth
Homelessness among Queer Youth: Disproportionate levels of LGBTQ+ homelessness.
Lack of Support: Insufficient supportive structures for youth in need.
Celebrating Identity and Community
Positive Relationships and Family Support: Importance of chosen family and community.
Celebrating Queer Identities: The need to celebrate transitions and coming out.
Closing Remarks
Acknowledgement and Gratitude: Joanne’s thanks and invitation for future involvement and support from listeners.
Contact Information: Details for listeners to reach out and continue the conversation.
Hope this helps provide a clear roadmap of the episode’s contents!
The Hook
Ever felt the weight of hidden struggles propelling you forward? Dive into a realm where the unseen narratives of resilience fuel the fire of TRANSFORMATION. Discover how speaking truth to power can CHANGE everything...
Imagine a world where every VOICE matters, where silenced truths ignite change. Ready to explore the art of amplifying voices for INSTITUTIONAL change? Uncover the secrets to turning challenges into catalysts...
Are we truly CONNECTED in our quest for inclusion? Delve into the complexities of intersectionality and its POWER to inspire radical transformation. The conversation that’ll make you rethink EVERYTHING...
Wondering what it takes to thrive in a world that constantly challenges you? Learn how to harness your unique experiences as a superpower and why your voice is the key to catalytic CHANGE.
Could your next step in personal development be found within the tapestry of intersectionality? Explore how lived realities become the stepping stones to empowerment and why your story is the most powerful tool...
🎬 Reel script
In this compelling episode of Inclusion Bites, I, Joanne Lockwood, hosted the incredible Saba Ali, a champion for justice in marginalised communities. We explored the power of amplifying marginalised voices to spur institutional change and how intersectionality shapes our experiences. Key insights were shared on overcoming societal and personal barriers, with Saba providing a heartfelt account of her journey. If you want to understand the essence of speaking truth to power and the importance of allyship, you cannot miss this episode. Tune in to be inspired and challenged as we push boundaries through bold and inclusive conversations.
🗞️ Newsletter
Subject: Dive into Inclusivity: Speaking Truth to Power 🌍✨
Hello Changemakers,
We’re excited to bring you insights from our latest episode of Inclusion Bites, "Speaking Truth to Power". This week, we sat down with Saba Ali, a bold advocate for justice within marginalised communities. In our conversation, we uncovered the raw truths and complexities of championing inclusivity and intersectionality.
Highlights from this Episode:
A Journey of Transformation: Discover how Saba's lived experiences, from childhood abuse to becoming a critical friend to the criminal justice system, have shaped her into the powerful voice she is today. Her advocacy for the queer South Asian community reminds us of the strength found in vulnerability and truth.
Intersectionality in Action: Saba discusses the importance of recognising and representing diverse communities—beyond tokenism. We explore how intersectionality influences every conversation and the necessity to break silos to foster authentic collaboration.
Support and Solidarity: We emphasised that support isn’t just about showing up; it’s about amplifying voices that are often ignored. Saba shares how vital allies are in holding space and creating dialogues that matter.
Challenges and Change Within Systems: Dive into the realities of the current socio-political landscape and the pressing need for reform within the criminal justice system. Understand why trust between communities and institutions is more critical than ever.
In these turbulent times, connection and empathy are crucial. We invite you to become part of our community where stories like Saba's inspire tangible change.
Don't forget to listen to the full episode here.
Be a part of the conversation—reach out with your thoughts or share your story. Email me at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk.
Thank you for being a beacon of inclusion and change.
With gratitude,
Joanne Lockwood
Host, Inclusion Bites Podcast
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Feel free to share this newsletter with friends, colleagues, or anyone who shares our passion for fostering a more inclusive world. Together, we can ignite transformation one conversation at a time.
Stay inspired! 🎙️✨
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🧵 THREAD: Shining a Light on Inclusion with Joanne Lockwood and Saba Ali
1/ 🌟 Welcome to Inclusion Bites, a podcast hosted by Joanne Lockwood, where bold conversations ignite change! In episode 156, "Speaking Truth to Power," Joanne chats with the inspirational Saba Ali. 🎤✨
2/ 🏳️🌈 Saba Ali, a fierce advocate for marginalised communities, brings her passion for intersectionality, cultural abuse, and the lived experiences of queer South Asian individuals to the forefront. Her superpower? Turning grassroots voices into institutional change. 💪🌍
3/ 🎧 Did you know? Joanne and Saba have crossed paths several times at events like Trans in the City. Saba was even awarded for her allyship with the trans community at Beyond Reflections! 🏆🌈
4/ 🏳️⚧️ From childhood abuse to becoming a voice for the voiceless, Saba’s journey is nothing short of remarkable. Her lived experiences fuel her mission to uplift others and advocate for justice and equity. ✊❤️
5/ 🔥 Saba's philosophy? We need to unite, setting aside our differences to work together and support each other. Empowering communities to rise, even if it's within small circles, is crucial. Unity is strength! 🌐🤝
6/ 🚔 The conversation also navigated the complex relationship between marginalised communities and the police. Trust and relatability are key, as is ensuring that all voices are heard and amplified. 📢
7/ 📚 Saba champions a diverse representation within advisory groups and panels, ensuring every community strand – race, gender, disability – is acknowledged and represented! Representation matters! 💼🌐
8/ 🤝 Joanne shares her personal experience with the police, highlighting how empathy and active listening made her feel heard and supported. Sometimes, the right dialogue can restore faith in the system. 💬🌟
9/ 🏠 A poignant issue raised was that of homeless queer youth. The call to action? We desperately need more refuges and support for the LGBTQ+ community. Let’s ensure no one walks this journey alone. 🏠🏳️🌈
10/ 💬 This episode isn’t just a conversation; it’s a call to action. Whether it’s forming chosen families or taking a stand, every small act of support makes a difference. Let's build a more inclusive world! 🌟
11/ 📢 Ready to make a difference? Tune into Inclusion Bites and be part of this ever-growing community driving real change. Share your insights and stories with Joanne at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk. ✨
12/ 🎧 Dive into the full episode here and join the conversation: Listen Now
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Feel free to retweet and spread the word! Let's amplify these important discussions. 💬🤝
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Discover the Power of Speaking Truth: Saba Ali on The Inclusion Bites Podcast
Hello, everyone! I'm thrilled to share my recent experience as a guest on the engaging and thought-provoking podcast, Inclusion Bites, hosted by the ever-inspiring Joanne Lockwood. During this enriching conversation, we delved into the episode titled "Speaking Truth to Power," which is part of a broader series dedicated to exploring the realms of inclusion, diversity, and the challenges and triumphs that come with these important topics.
As someone dedicated to championing justice for marginalised communities, I felt incredibly honoured to discuss my journey and insights alongside Joanne, a formidable guide in the world of inclusion. Our discussion covered a wide range of topics, including intersectionality, cultural abuse, and the lived realities of queer South Asian individuals. I was also able to share my unique superpower—the ability to amplify marginalised voices into institutional change.
The podcast episode provided a platform to share my personal experiences growing up and overcoming adversity. We explored the significance of intersectionality and why it's crucial in understanding the layers of discrimination faced by individuals. I shared poignant moments that shaped my advocacy work, such as my childhood experiences of cultural abuse and my passion for supporting others in similar situations. Together, Joanne and I highlighted the barriers many in our community face and the importance of uniting in support and compassion.
One of the key discussions was about the importance of representation and how diverse voices must be included in spaces of influence, particularly in advisory roles. We also didn't shy away from addressing the current adversities felt by queer communities globally and the significance of coming together to support one another, especially during challenging times.
It's important to me that everyone has the chance to be listened to and to feel safe to share their story. This is something I advocate for passionately, whether in support groups or through my work with organisations like the RSA. In our conversation, we underscored the importance of creating supportive networks and the impact it can have on those who feel isolated.
Joanne and I also tackled the complex relationship of marginalised communities with institutions like the police and how trust can be rebuilt through genuine engagement and representation. Sharing stories of positive outcomes and emphasising the necessity for empathetic listening, we reinforced the idea that meaningful change is possible with the right approach.
I want to express my gratitude to Joanne Lockwood for hosting such a vital and enlightening platform like Inclusion Bites. Our conversation was not only a chance to discuss serious issues but also an opportunity to inspire action and hope among listeners. If you haven't listened to our episode yet, I highly recommend checking it out. It's available on the Inclusion Bites podcast platform.
Together, let's continue to speak truth to power and ignite change. Thank you for your continued support, and let's keep the conversation going!
#InclusionBites #SpeakingTruthToPower #AmplifyVoices #Intersectionality #ChangeMaker
Pain Points and Challenges
Certainly! During the episode "Speaking Truth to Power" from The Inclusion Bites Podcast, several pain points and challenges were highlighted. Here's a focused summary and content addressing these issues:
Mistrust of Institutions:
Challenge: There is a pervasive mistrust of institutions like the police and the criminal justice system, especially among marginalised communities.
Addressing the Issue: Building trust involves transparency and accountability from these institutions. They must engage in active dialogues with community leaders and allies, improve representation within their ranks, and show genuine commitment to change through consistent supportive action.
Support for Marginalised Communities:
Challenge: There is a need for better support networks and emergency accommodations for marginalised individuals, especially young queer people facing homelessness due to toxic home environments.
Addressing the Issue: Establish more inclusive shelters and refuges that cater to intersectional needs. Secure funding for initiatives that offer safe spaces and personalised guidance. Encourage community-driven projects that leverage local knowledge and resources to provide immediate assistance.
Amplification of Marginalised Voices:
Challenge: Marginalised voices need to be amplified to effect institutional change.
Addressing the Issue: Allies and advocates should collaborate with these communities to open doors into decision-making spaces. Utilise platforms like podcasts and social media to share lived experiences and testimonies that can influence policy and societal attitudes.
Trauma and Mental Health:
Challenge: Survivors of trauma, including child and cultural abuse, face significant mental health challenges.
Addressing the Issue: Create better access to mental health services that are culturally and contextually aware. Implement outreach programmes that educate communities about trauma and provide supportive resources for healing and empowerment.
Stereotyping and Misrepresentation:
Challenge: Stereotyping, particularly within the queer community, influences public perception and can lead to exclusion.
Addressing the Issue: Encourage diverse narratives in media and storytelling that reflect the true breadth of queer experiences. Support educational campaigns that debunk stereotypes and promote understanding.
By taking these steps, the aim is to transform these challenges into opportunities for collective growth and understanding, fostering a truly inclusive society.
Questions Asked that were insightful
Certainly! Based on the provided transcript of "The Inclusion Bites Podcast" episode titled "Speaking Truth to Power," there are several questions and responses that could be particularly insightful for your audience. Here are some potential FAQs that could be developed:
What inspired Saba Ali to champion marginalized voices and work towards institutional change?
Saba Ali shared her personal journey, reflecting on her childhood experiences of abuse and the lack of support available to her. This inspired her to be an advocate for those who have been silenced and to fight for intersectional representation.
How does Saba Ali integrate various aspects of intersectionality in her advocacy work?
Saba Ali emphasises that her intersectionality comes naturally to her because of her lived experiences as a woman, a woman of colour, and as queer, with hidden disabilities. She ensures that diverse voices are included in discussions about community representation.
What challenges does the LGBTQ+ community currently face, and what can be done to support them?
The episode highlighted challenges related to transphobia, homelessness, and the lack of support services. Saba Ali spoke about the importance of strong communities, chosen families, and standing in solidarity to overcome these obstacles.
How can individuals build trust with the criminal justice system, especially among the LGBTQ+ community?
Joanne Lockwood and Saba Ali discussed the importance of personalised interactions with police officers and fostering understanding and trust. Sharing her personal positive experience, Joanne reflected on how being listened to by a police officer restored her faith in the system.
What role does transparency and representation play in effecting real change in institutions?
Saba Ali highlighted the importance of representation within advisory roles and decision-making bodies, emphasising that diverse voices must be included to reflect the community truly.
These FAQs could serve as a valuable resource for listeners and those interested in diversity, equity, and inclusion topics, providing both insight and guidance on addressing these complex issues.
Blog article based on the episode
Breaking Barriers: Speaking Truth to Power with Saba Ali
In an era where conversations around inclusion are no longer optional but essential, the power of speaking truth to power remains a cornerstone of societal transformation. In episode 156 of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, titled "Speaking Truth to Power", our host, Joanne Lockwood, had the privilege of engaging with Saba Ali, a formidable advocate for marginalised communities. Their dialogue is more than just words; it's a clarion call for change, offering inspiration and actionable insights for those willing to listen deeply and act boldly.
The Problem: A Silent Suffering
Many individuals today grapple with societal norms and systemic biases that often push marginalised voices into the shadows. Saba Ali, a public speaker and critical friend to many, brings to light the challenges faced by queer South Asian individuals. Her lived experiences of intersectionality, cultural abuse, and advocating for justice are a stark reminder of the ongoing struggles faced by countless individuals. The societal structures that perpetuate discrimination often render these voices silent or unheard, creating environments where suffering goes unnoticed and unaddressed.
Saba shared that her childhood was marked by trauma and abuse in a conservative, religious household that offered no refuge from her struggles. Her story is not just personal; it’s a representation of many who face layers of discrimination across gender, race, faith, and ability. The reluctance of communities and systems to acknowledge these struggles reflects a broader issue — a lack of true understanding and action to foster inclusion.
Actionable Insights: Amplify and Advocate
From the conversation with Saba, several actionable insights emerge for individuals and organisations aiming to create lasting change:
Amplify Marginalised Voices:
Saba’s superpower is her ability to amplify voices that often go unheard. By facilitating conversations in spaces that matter, such as police advisory groups, and ensuring diverse representation, she sets an example. Everyone can take steps to listen more actively and create platforms for others to share their stories.
Support System Building:
The discussion highlighted the crucial importance of chosen families and supportive networks, especially for the queer community. Saba emphasises the significance of building alliances that are not just supportive in words, but in tangible actions. Encourage communities to form safe spaces — whether in-person or virtual — for dialogue, healing, and action.
Education and Advocacy:
A fundamental step is to continuously educate oneself and others about the nuances of intersectionality and the concept's origins. Push against the anti-woke rhetoric by grounding discussions in facts and historical context, as Saba mentioned about Kimberley Crenshaw's work. This awareness fosters empathy and breaks down barriers of misunderstanding.
Engage with Systems for Change:
Saba’s work with the criminal justice system exemplifies how engagement can lead to change. It is critical for individuals to actively participate in dialogue with law enforcement and political spheres, advocating for transparency and inclusion. By critiquing and advising systems from within, one can influence change.
Celebrate Resilience and Authenticity:
The narrative must shift from mourning what is lost through change to celebrating what is gained. Whether it’s a personal journey of self-discovery or a community milestone, recognition and celebration of resilience fortifies the spirit of inclusion.
Call to Action: Uniting for a Positive Future
Inclusion isn’t just a buzzword; it is a tangible goal that requires dedication, listening, and action. The conversation between Joanne Lockwood and Saba Ali serves as a beacon of hope and a reminder of the power each individual holds. We must engage in these vital discussions, champion marginalised voices, and challenge existing structures with courage and conviction.
I invite you to embrace this call to action: connect with your community, amplify voices, and advocate for those who cannot yet do so themselves. Let's dismantle the silos that divide us and commit to fostering a society that truly embraces and celebrates diversity.
For those inspired by Saba Ali’s journey, consider how you can be an ally within your circle of influence. Whether it’s through your professional networks or personal relationships, take the time to educate, support, and stand alongside those fighting for their rights to be heard and seen.
As you go about your day, remember that change begins with a single step — often, that first step is simply listening. Join the Inclusion Bites Podcast community and continue to challenge the status quo, one episode at a time. Your voice matters. Use it.
For more enriching discussions, listen to The Inclusion Bites Podcast and continue to engage with the stories that challenge, inspire, and unite. You can find more episodes at Inclusion Bites Podcast.
Together, let's ignite the spark of inclusion and create a world where everyone belongs and thrives.
The standout line from this episode
The standout line from this episode is when Saba Ali declares, "I will not be that person anymore. And I'm really proud to say that I am a defiant woman today. I'm not afraid to speak up." This powerful assertion captures the essence of the episode's theme, "Speaking Truth to Power," illustrating Saba's journey of finding her voice and championing the rights of marginalised communities.
❓ Questions
Certainly! Here are 10 discussion questions inspired by the episode "Speaking Truth to Power" from the Inclusion Bites Podcast:
How does Saba Ali’s lived experience influence her work in advocating for marginalised communities, particularly within the LGBTQ+ spectrum?
Joanne and Saba discuss the importance of intersectionality in advocacy. How does Saba define intersectionality in her role, and why is it crucial for genuine representation?
Drawing from Saba’s journey, what challenges do individuals face when coming from a background marked by cultural and child abuse, and how can these experiences shape their advocacy efforts?
Saba Ali mentioned her collaboration with the Royal Society of Arts' LGBTQIA network. How can organisations like the RSA contribute to global inclusivity and foster community cohesion?
The conversation touches on the role of allies in supporting trans individuals. How does Saba describe the impact of allyship in advocacy and what responsibilities do allies carry?
Reflecting on the episode, why is it vital for systems like the police to include diverse voices in advisory capacities, and how might this influence community trust?
Saba Ali shared insights on her engagement with the police as a critical friend. What are the potential benefits and challenges of acting in such a capacity, especially within the current societal climate?
Considering the content of the episode, what strategies could be employed to better support young queer individuals facing homelessness due to family rejection based on their identity?
The episode briefly discusses societal perceptions around trans issues. How do Saba and Joanne address these issues, and what steps do they propose for combatting misinformation and transphobia?
Saba expresses the importance of finding one’s voice and sharing personal narratives. Why do you think storytelling and personal experiences are powerful tools in the movement towards inclusivity and social change?
These questions aim to provoke thoughtful discussions and reflections on the themes covered in the podcast episode.
FAQs from the Episode
FAQ: Speaking Truth to Power - Inclusion Bites Podcast
1. What is the main focus of this episode of the Inclusion Bites Podcast?
The episode titled "Speaking Truth to Power" centres around amplifying marginalised voices and promoting institutional change, chiefly through the experiences and insights of Saba Ali. It highlights intersectionality, cultural abuse, and the unique challenges faced by queer South Asian individuals.
2. Who are the speakers in this episode and what roles do they play?
Joanne Lockwood, the host, guides the conversation on inclusion and societal transformation. Saba Ali is the guest speaker, a public advocate for marginalised communities, who shares her personal journey and efforts in activism to amplify marginalized voices into meaningful change.
3. How does Saba Ali describe her superpower, and why is it significant?
Saba Ali's self-described superpower is her ability to amplify marginalised voices into institutional change. This reflects her commitment to raising awareness and advocating for justice concerning intersectionality, cultural abuse, and lived realities of diverse individuals.
4. What personal experiences has Saba Ali shared that influenced her advocacy work?
Saba shared her challenging childhood experiences with abuse and cultural restraints and how these experiences shaped her resolve to help others who have undergone similar struggles. Her journey from victimhood to empowerment serves as an inspirational narrative for her advocacy work.
5. What are the challenges faced by marginalised communities when interacting with institutional power or systems, according to this episode?
The episode discusses scepticism and lack of trust often felt by marginalised people towards the criminal justice system due to past negative experiences. However, it acknowledges positive instances where empathetic and respectful interactions with the police have led to satisfactory resolutions.
6. How does the podcast address support for young queer individuals, especially those in toxic environments?
The podcast highlights the scarcity of support systems for young queer individuals in distress, particularly those suffering from homelessness or discrimination due to their identity. It stresses the importance of community support, chosen families, and the need for more refuges and resources.
7. What advice does the podcast give to those experiencing discrimination or needing support?
The podcast strongly recommends reaching out to community networks and utilising support groups as important lifelines. It also suggests reporting hate crimes or discrimination to the authorities as a means to seek justice and raise awareness.
8. How can someone engage with this podcast further or provide their insights?
Listeners are encouraged to connect with the show by reaching out to Joanne Lockwood via email at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk. They can subscribe to the podcast on the Inclusion Bites website and become a part of ongoing discussions on inclusion and diversity.
Tell me more about the guest and their views
In the episode titled "Speaking Truth to Power" on The Inclusion Bites Podcast, the guest, Saba Ali, presents her views and experiences on championing justice for marginalised communities. Saba Ali, a public speaker and advocate, focuses on intersectionality, cultural abuse, and the lived realities of queer South Asian individuals. She describes her superpower as the ability to amplify marginalised voices into institutional change.
Saba shares her personal journey, detailing her childhood experiences with abuse and her path to becoming an advocate for others with similar backgrounds. She discusses the importance of providing a platform for marginalised voices, emphasising the role of intersectionality in understanding and combating discrimination. Saba argues for the significance of collaboration and representation within advocacy, believing that no single person can represent an entire community.
Regarding the criminal justice system, Saba highlights the importance of rebuilding trust between marginalised communities and law enforcement. She recognises the challenges faced by the police, including understaffing and funding cuts, but also underscores the importance of reporting hate crimes to ensure that perpetrators are held accountable.
Overall, Saba advocates for a united front within the LGBT+ community and stresses the importance of support, compassion, and listening to those in need. Her views are rooted in her personal experiences and commitment to creating a more inclusive and understanding society.
Ideas for Future Training and Workshops based on this Episode
Creating training and workshops based on the episode "Speaking Truth to Power" can deeply resonate with individuals and organisations striving for inclusion and empowerment. Here are some ideas to consider:
Empathy and Advocacy Workshop:
Objective: To teach participants how to empathise with and advocate for marginalised communities effectively.
Activities: Role-playing exercises that simulate real-world scenarios where they must use empathy to understand others' perspectives.
Outcome: Participants will learn the importance of listening and the impact of advocacy in creating change.
Intersectionality and You:
Objective: To explore the concept of intersectionality, inspired by Saba Ali's experiences, and its relevance in today's world.
Activities: Group discussions and case studies focusing on how intersectionality affects individuals in various settings.
Outcome: A deeper understanding of how overlapping identities impact people's lives is developed.
Trust Building with Authorities:
Objective: Engaging communities in rebuilding trust with law enforcement and other institutions.
Activities: Panels with representatives from the criminal justice system, sharing experiences and listening practices.
Outcome: Improved communication pathways between communities and authorities are established.
Finding and Using Your Voice:
Objective: Inspired by Saba Ali's journey, this workshop aims to empower individuals to find and confidently use their voices.
Activities: Speech crafting and public speaking exercises, focusing on personal narratives and lived experiences.
Outcome: Participants feel more empowered to speak their truth and advocate for change in their spaces.
Restorative Justice in Practice:
Objective: To introduce the concept of restorative justice as a means to resolve conflicts.
Activities: Interactive sessions with practitioners sharing the benefits of restorative justice, followed by role-plays.
Outcome: Understanding how restorative justice can be a healing process for communities.
Queer Support Networks:
Objective: To develop networks and chosen families for LGBTQIA+ individuals.
Activities: Workshops on building support structures and recognising the importance of chosen families within the LGBTQIA+ community.
Outcome: Participants form connections and establish support systems for personal and communal resilience.
These workshops can cultivate an environment where participants are equipped with the knowledge and empathy needed to foster an inclusive world, reflecting the core themes of the podcast episode.
🪡 Threads by Instagram
🌍 Navigating the complexities of inclusion, Saba Ali shares her journey of amplifying marginalised voices. From overcoming trauma to advocating for justice, discover how lived experiences shape advocacy for equity. Join in the fight for transformation and belonging.
💬 "No one person can represent a whole community." Saba Ali champions the importance of intersectionality, ensuring every voice is heard and amplified. Her dedication to collaboration shows the strength in unity and diverse representation. Let's lift each other up!
🛡️ Trust in systems is fragile, especially for marginalised communities. Saba Ali delves into the challenges with policing and how building trust requires empathy and genuine engagement. Let's work to create environments where everyone feels safe and heard.
🏠 Struggling with identity in a toxic home environment is a harsh reality for many queer youth. Saba Ali sheds light on the need for safe spaces and support systems to break free from these chains. Everyone deserves a community where they feel seen and valued.
🌈 As we navigate the rise of anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric, the importance of chosen families and supportive networks grows. Saba Ali's insights remind us of the power of community. Together, we can create spaces where everyone thrives. Embrace each voice, celebrate each story.
Leadership Insights - YouTube Short Video Script on Common Problems for Leaders to Address
Leadership Insights Channel: Empowering Marginalised Voices for Change
Hello, and welcome to the Leadership Insights Channel! Today, we're diving into a crucial topic faced by leaders: championing marginalised voices within your team and organisation. Let's transform this challenge into an opportunity for positive change!
The Problem: Many leaders overlook the marginalised voices in their organisations, leading to a lack of representation, missed innovation, and unequal opportunities.
Actionable Steps for Positive Outcomes:
Active Listening: Make it a priority to truly listen. Create spaces where all team members feel safe to share their stories and experiences. Listening is powerful, as it builds trust and understanding.
Amplify Voices: Use your platform to elevate the voices of marginalised individuals. Give them opportunities to share their insights and contributions, ensuring their perspectives are highlighted in decision-making processes.
Foster a Culture of Inclusion: Implement policies and practices that promote diversity and inclusion. Encourage collaboration across all levels, focusing on building a mosaic of talents, backgrounds, and experiences.
Educate Yourself and Others: Stay informed about the diverse challenges faced by marginalised communities. Provide resources and training to your team to raise awareness and foster empathy.
Mentorship and Sponsorship: Actively mentor and sponsor individuals from underrepresented groups. Help them navigate the corporate landscape and support their career development.
Evaluate and Adjust: Regularly assess your progress in promoting inclusion. Use feedback from your team to make necessary adjustments and continue growing as an inclusive leader.
Remember, by actively championing and empowering the voices of those who may have been overlooked, you'll not only bring about positive change in your organisation but also create a thriving, innovative environment.
Join us next time as we explore more insights to enhance your leadership journey. Don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more content from the Leadership Insights Channel!
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Subject: 🌟 Unveiling Truths: A Dive into 'Speaking Truth to Power' with Saba Ali! 🎤
Hello Inclusion Bites Family,
We’re back with another inspiring episode of the Inclusion Bites Podcast! In episode 156, titled "Speaking Truth to Power," our ever-curious host Joanne Lockwood sits down with the formidable Saba Ali. If you're looking to be both challenged and inspired, you won't want to miss this episode.
Here's what you'll learn when you hit play:
Amplifying Marginalized Voices: Saba reveals her superpower—using her voice to make institutional changes that amplify those often unheard.
Challenges of Intersectionality: Discover the intricate layers of discrimination faced by queer South Asian communities and how Saba navigates and assists others through this complex terrain.
Courage through Adversity: Saba’s journey from a childhood stamped with cultural and personal challenges to becoming a beacon of hope and advocacy for many.
Collaboration over Isolation: Both Joanne and Saba discuss the power of collaboration within communities and the necessity of supporting one another against societal challenges.
Building Trust in Institutions: Grapple with the reality of trust—or the lack thereof—in institutions like the police, and how individuals, like Saba, are striving to bridge this gap.
🌟 Unique Fact: In what can only be described as a touching moment, Saba reflects on the impact of her early life experiences, particularly the cultural abuse she endured, which she now channels into passionate advocacy and support for those who need a voice.
Call to Action: Ready to join the movement and be part of the change? Listen to this powerful episode here. Share your insights, stories, or ideas with Joanne at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk and let your voice be part of this transformative conversation.
Let's band together to shape a world where everyone not only belongs but also thrives. Your voice matters. Your actions count. So, connect with us, share this episode, and let’s ignite the spark of inclusion.
Catch you on the next Inclusion Bite! 🎧🔥
Warm regards,
Inclusion Bites Team
#InclusionBites #PositivePeopleExperiences #SpeakingTruthToPower
Potted Summary
Episode 156: Speaking Truth to Power
In this compelling episode, host Joanne Lockwood welcomes Saba Ali, an advocate for marginalised communities, to explore themes of allyship, intersectionality, and lived experience. Together, they delve into overcoming personal adversity, the role of allyship in advocacy, and the nuanced complexities of marginalisation within law enforcement. This conversation intertwines personal anecdotes with insights into societal challenges, offering listeners a deep dive into the power of speaking out and driving change.
In this conversation we discuss
👉 Allyship's Role
👉 Intersectionality
👉 Lived Experience
Here are a few of our favourite quotable moments
"I had people reach out to me, give me a lot of support." – Saba Ali
"Listening is just the most important thing." – Saba Ali
"Collaboration is so important." – Saba Ali
Summary
Join Joanne and Saba as they dissect the importance of allyship and intersectionality in driving institutional change. With a heartfelt narrative, Saba shares her personal journey, inspiring listeners to advocate for marginalised communities. Don't miss out on this invigorating episode. Tune into Inclusion Bites for thought-provoking dialogue that challenges and transforms. Listen now!
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LinkedIn Poll Summary:
In this episode of the Inclusion Bites Podcast titled "Speaking Truth to Power," Saba Ali shares her journey of amplifying marginalised voices and navigating complex societal issues. We delve into the intricacies of intersectionality, cultural abuse, and the need for supportive communities for queer individuals and others facing challenges. Saba's commitment to advocacy and creating safe spaces for underrepresented groups sparked an engaging conversation, leaving us reflecting on the importance of inclusion.
Poll Question:
What's the most vital step towards amplifying marginalised voices? 🤔
Poll Options:
Foster Safe Spaces 🛑
Promote Allyship 🤝
Encourage Dialogue 🗣️
Prioritise Intersectionality 🌍
#InclusionBites #AmplifyVoices #DiversityMatters #CommunitySupport
Closing Statement:
Your vote helps us understand the collective steps most valued by our community to foster transformative inclusion. Let's work together to create an environment where everyone can thrive. Why vote? Because every voice matters! 🌟
Highlight the Importance of this topic on LinkedIn
Absolutely inspired by the latest episode of the Inclusion Bites Podcast featuring the incredible Saba Ali and hosted by Joanne Lockwood! 🎙️✨
In "Speaking Truth to Power," we delve into the transformative power of amplifying marginalised voices, intersectionality, and cultural challenges. Listening to Saba's journey—from overcoming childhood adversities to becoming a critical friend and advocate for change—is both humbling and motivating. Her commitment to not only speaking up but actively working with organisations to drive institutional change highlights the very essence of what we stand for in the HR and EDI fields. 💪🌍
The discussion serves as a powerful reminder of the importance of collaboration, representation, and the need to foster brave spaces where every voice can be heard. It challenges us, as professionals, to reflect on our practices, push beyond the status quo, and ensure we're paving the way for inclusive cultures within our organisations.
Head over to the Inclusion Bites Podcast and engage in these groundbreaking conversations—it's a call to action for all of us committed to fostering a world where everyone thrives. 🌟 #InclusionBites #InclusiveLeadership #HR #EDI #AmplifyVoices
🔗 Listen to the full episode here: https://seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen
Let's continue championing these essential dialogues and transforming them into real change! 👏🎧
L&D Insights
🎙️ Key Insights for Senior Leaders, HR, and EDI Professionals:
Amplifying Marginalised Voices: Saba Ali’s emphasis on using her position to amplify voices of marginalised communities showcases the power of allyship. Senior leaders can learn from this by intentionally creating platforms and spaces for marginalised voices to be heard within their organisations.
Intersectionality Matters: The discussion sheds light on the importance of understanding intersectionality—not just as a buzzword, but as a critical lens for examining how various aspects of identity intersect to impact lived experiences. HR and EDI professionals should integrate this understanding into policy-making and practice development.
Resilience and Advocacy: Saba’s personal narrative of overcoming adversity to become an advocate for justice is a poignant reminder of resilience. For leaders, this underscores the importance of resilience-building initiatives and offering support systems for employees facing challenges.
Community and Support Networks: The concept of 'chosen family' and strong support networks was highlighted as crucial. Professionals can foster environments that encourage the formation of supportive communities within the workplace, boosting belonging and collaboration.
Trust-Building with Marginalised Communities: The discussion signified the importance of building trust with marginalised communities, particularly in interactions with institutions like the police. Leaders should prioritise transparent communication and trust-building measures in interactions with their teams.
Celebration of Identity: Instead of focusing on loss or difficulty, Saba’s approach to celebrating identity and authenticity can inspire HR and EDI professionals to create celebratory frameworks and initiatives that honour diverse identities in the workplace.
💡 Aha Moments:
Realising the transformational impact of active allyship and the responsibility that positions of privilege carry.
Understanding how deeply personal stories can inspire organisational change and resilience frameworks.
The power of collaborative efforts over individual action in driving systemic change.
🔄 Actions to Consider:
Foster allyship and mentorship programs that focus on amplifying marginalised voices.
Implement training on intersectionality for all levels of the organisation.
Create or enhance support networks and mental health resources for employees.
Promote initiatives that celebrate diversity and identity, transforming organisational culture.
🌟 Hashtags for Social Media:
#AmplifyVoices 🎤 #InclusiveLeadership 🌈 #BuildingBelonging 🌍 #IntersectionalityMatters 🔍 #CelebrateDiversity 🎉
Embrace these insights to drive meaningful change and enhance the culture of inclusion, belonging, and resilience in your organisation!
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Attention-Grabbing Title: 🌈 Amplify Voices, Ignite Change! #Inclusion #Empowerment #Intersectionality
[Text on screen: "🌟 Amplify Voices for Change"]
Hey everyone! Have you ever thought about the power of amplifying marginalized voices to ignite real change? Today, let's dive into the incredible influence of allyship and intersectionality in creating an inclusive world.
[Text on screen: "💬 Speaking Truth to Power"]
Many voices in marginalized communities face systemic barriers. But imagine the impact when those voices are empowered, heard, and elevated to influence institutional change. That's what speaking truth to power is all about—leveraging privilege to lift others up.
[Text on screen: "🌍 Unite for a Common Cause"]
Right now, it’s so important for the LGBTQ+ community and allies to unite. It’s not just about support; it’s about action. Whether you’re a part of the community or an ally, collaboration is the key. Together, we can break down barriers and build pathways for empowerment and equality.
[Text on screen: "🛡️ Stand against Discrimination"]
It's not just about fighting against discrimination but also about celebrating who we are. By standing together, we create a supportive network where everyone can be their true selves without fear.
[Text on screen: "👏 Your Voice Matters"]
Remember, your voice matters. Whether through small acts of allyship or speaking up on larger platforms, every contribution counts. Let’s create spaces where everyone feels safe, supported, and celebrated.
Thanks for watching! Remember, together we can make a difference. Stay connected, stay inclusive! See you next time. ✨
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Glossary of Terms and Phrases
In the episode "Speaking Truth to Power" of the Inclusion Bites Podcast, there are several concepts and terms that might not be frequently used by everyone. Here's a list of some of those terms and the definitions implied within the context of the episode:
Intersectionality: Coined by Kimberlé Crenshaw, this term describes how different aspects of a person's social and political identities (like gender, race, and sexuality) overlap, especially in relation to systems of oppression or discrimination.
Cultural Abuse: This refers to the misuse of cultural traditions and practices to exert control or inflict harm on individuals, often within a family or community setting.
LGBTQIA Network: A community or group that supports and advocates for the rights and recognition of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer or Questioning, Intersex, and Asexual individuals.
Critical Friend: Someone who provides constructive criticism and guidance, often within a professional or activist context, to help improve processes, strategies, or outcomes.
Restorative Justice: An approach to justice focusing on the rehabilitation of offenders through reconciliation with victims and the community at large, often by encouraging offenders to take responsibility for their actions and to repair the harm they've done.
Chosen Family: A concept within LGBTQ+ communities where individuals form supportive networks outside of their biological families, often due to rejection or lack of acceptance from traditional family structures.
Third Party Referrals: In the context of crime reporting, this refers to the practice of having reports submitted by someone other than the victim, often used to provide a sense of safety or anonymity for vulnerable individuals.
Critical Friend: Someone who provides feedback and advice in a supportive yet challenging way, encouraging change and improvement in organisations or practices.
These terms form the backbone of the nuanced discussions held during the podcast, reflecting the complex layers of identity and advocacy that are explored in this episode.
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Why Listen
Welcome to another empowering episode of Inclusion Bites, where we explore the transformative theme, "Speaking Truth to Power". Join me, Joanne Lockwood, as I engage in a riveting dialogue with Saba Ali. Her unrelenting passion for advocating justice for marginalised communities and her focus on intersectional issues provide a rich tapestry of insights we all can learn from. As a public speaker and critical friend, Saba shares her compelling life story, highlighting her journey from experiencing cultural and child abuse to becoming a beacon of hope and change for others.
In this episode, we delve into the stark realities faced by the LGBT+ community, particularly focusing on the lived experiences of queer South Asian individuals. Saba’s candid discussion outlines her early life challenges and the societal obstacles she has bravely overcome. A pivotal part of this conversation centres around her superpower: the ability to amplify the voices of the marginalised to effect institutional change. Her commitment to speaking truth to power is a masterclass in using our voices to challenge injustices around us.
Culture change is a recurring theme, as we unravel the importance of community and support, especially for those living in environments that may not recognise their true selves. Saba’s story is one of resilience and transformation. Her journey from a turbulent upbringing surrounded by cultural abuse to owning her identity as a defiant woman is not just inspiring but is a clarion call for action.
The discussion also touches upon alliances and how allies can meaningfully contribute to the cause. Saba’s work with organisations such as the Royal Society of Arts (RSA) and within the criminal justice system demonstrates the significant impact of collaboration. The emphasis is on creating Positive People Experiences by fostering inclusive cultures and nurturing a society where everyone can belong and thrive.
Moreover, we address the essential issue of trust within the systems meant to protect us, like the police and the broader justice system. Saba's work as a critical friend to the police serves as an eye-opener on how important it is to question, engage, and, when necessary, hold these systems accountable. The episode highlights both the power and pitfalls of these institutions, underscoring the necessity for transparency and community-driven support mechanisms.
Listeners will particularly appreciate the discussion about allyship. Saba’s award for allyship to the trans community at the Beyond Reflections event is a testament to her impactful work. Her story of celebrating love and life with her chosen family is heartening, illustrating the power of support systems. Her call to listen to and amplify the struggles and triumphs of different voices within our community is a powerful message resonating with many.
If you're looking for an insightful narrative that not only challenges you but inspires you to action, this episode is a must-listen. Saba’s narrative weaves together elements of empathy, advocacy, and cultural change, offering a blueprint for how we can all contribute to a more inclusive world.
Closing Summary and Call to Action
Empowerment through Storytelling: Saba Ali’s journey exemplifies the transformative power of sharing personal stories. Her courage to speak out against injustices has not only brought about personal healing but has also initiated cultural change within her community.
Intersectionality in Focus: Understanding the multiple layers of identity, such as race, gender, faith, and disability, is crucial in addressing the unique challenges faced by marginalised groups. Saba's life is a case study in intersectionality and how addressing it can lead to more inclusive advocacy.
Advocacy and Allyship: The call to be active allies is central to this episode. Use your privilege to amplify others' voices, as demonstrated by Saba's work with trans women and other marginalised voices. Stand in solidarity with them, not just behind them.
Role of Institutions: Engage with and hold institutions accountable. Whether interacting with the police or participating in societal reform, ensure that your voice and the voices of the marginalised are heard and respected.
Positive People Experiences: Create environments in your personal and professional spheres where people can feel heard, respected, and safe. This is essential for nurturing a culture of belonging and inclusion.
Community and Support: Build and lean on networks of support, both chosen and familial. Foster relationships that celebrate, nurture, and elevate each other. Remember, a shared problem is a problem halved.
Courage to Change: Embrace the change within and externally. Challenge societal norms that do not promote inclusion or equality, and be prepared to speak out where change is necessary.
Celebrate Diversity: Rejoice in the diversity of identities and experiences. Learn from others within your community and beyond. Foster environments of learning and growth.
Listening as an Act of Empowerment: Practise active listening to understand better the issues faced by marginalised individuals. Listening can lead to understanding, compassion, and subsequently, positive action.
Celebrate Achievements: Recognise and celebrate the milestones and achievements within your community. Saba’s victory in allyship is a testament to the continuous journey of fostering inclusion and belonging.
Outro
Thank you, dear listener, for tuning in to this episode of Inclusion Bites. I'm Joanne Lockwood, and I'm thrilled to have had you with us on this journey towards greater inclusion and belonging. If you enjoyed our conversation and wish to explore more episodes, don't forget to like, subscribe, and click the notification bell, so you never miss out on our weekly episodes.
For more information, insights, and resources, please visit the SEE Change Happen website at https://seechangehappen.co.uk. To catch up on all episodes of the Inclusion Bites Podcast, head to https://seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen.
Stay curious, stay kind, and stay inclusive - Joanne Lockwood
Root Cause Analyst - Why!
Certainly! Let's delve into the episode titled "Speaking Truth to Power" from the Inclusion Bites Podcast with Saba Ali and Joanne Lockwood to identify key issues and conduct a root cause analysis.
Key Problems Identified:
Marginalised Voices and Institutional Change
Problem: Marginalised communities, especially queer South Asians, face systemic lack of representation and voice within institutional frameworks.
Distrust in the Criminal Justice System
Problem: Marginalised groups exhibit a significant distrust towards the police and justice system, impacting the reporting and resolution of hate crimes.
Homelessness and Inadequate Support for Queer Youth
Problem: Disproportionate levels of homelessness among young queer individuals, particularly those from intersectionally marginalised groups.
Root Cause Analysis:
1. Marginalised Voices and Institutional Change
Why? Marginalised communities lack representation in decision-making roles within institutions.
Why? Institutions often do not prioritise inclusive hiring practices or cultivate environments where diverse perspectives are genuinely valued.
Why? There exists a prevailing culture within institutions that favours traditional, homogeneous decision-making.
Why? Historical systemic biases and resistance to change hinder diversity and inclusion efforts.
Why? Many organisations have not undergone thorough structural reform or committed to ongoing diversity education and training.
Solution:
Implement comprehensive diversity and inclusion policies, including training and education at all levels. Develop accountability frameworks to ensure marginalised voices are represented in leadership and decision-making processes.
2. Distrust in the Criminal Justice System
Why? Marginalised communities feel the justice system does not adequately represent or protect them.
Why? Past negative experiences and lack of empathetic engagement from officers have eroded trust.
Why? Officers may not receive sufficient training in cultural competence and understanding the needs of diverse communities.
Why? Training programs might lack funding or focus due to systemic neglect from top-level management.
Why? A lack of commitment at the policy-making level to enforce community-based policing models that emphasise understanding and relationships.
Solution:
Invest in community-oriented policing with mandatory inclusion training for officers. Develop feedback mechanisms from community groups to continually improve police-community relations.
3. Homelessness and Inadequate Support for Queer Youth
Why? Queer youth, particularly those intersectionally marginalised, face high rates of homelessness.
Why? Family rejection and lack of acceptance frequently lead to unstable living conditions.
Why? Support services and refuges for queer youth are limited and underfunded.
Why? Government and private funding do not prioritise essential services for queer and marginalised youth.
Why? Societal biases and focus on more 'mainstream' issues overshadow the urgent needs of disadvantaged communities.
Solution:
Increase funding and resources for queer youth support services and shelters. Develop educational programs to foster acceptance in communities and reduce the stigma faced by queer individuals.
In summary, several layers of systemic bias and resource limitations underpin the challenges faced by marginalised communities. Holistic solutions involving structural reform, increased funding, and prioritised inclusive education are essential to address these root causes and foster a more equitable and inclusive society.
Canva Slider Checklist
Certainly! Here is a one-column table checklist based on the key themes and best practices highlighted in the episode. These can be used to create a compelling slider image set for LinkedIn:
Opening Slide Summary:
Creating meaningful change within organisations requires a dedicated focus on inclusion and belonging. This checklist highlights key best practices, including intersectionality awareness, allyship, safe spaces, restorative justice, and collaborative networks to drive systemic transformation and equity for all.
Closing Slide Call to Action:
Discover how SEE Change Happen can support your organisation in fostering inclusivity and belonging. Connect with Joanne Lockwood and explore our services at https://seechangehappen.co.uk. Let's make impactful change together! #Inclusion #Belonging #SEEChangeHappen
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Slide 1: Provoking Question
🔍 Ever felt like your voice is just an echo in the vast halls of power? 🔊
Explore the art of speaking truth to power and transforming lived experiences into impactful change. 🌍✨
Slide 2: Real-Life Stories
🎤 Join us as Saba Ali shares her journey of overcoming adversity, championing justice, and amplifying marginalised voices. Her childhood experiences of cultural and child abuse led her to become a beacon of hope and change for many. 🌈
Slide 3: The Power of Intersectionality
🔗 Discover how intersectionality plays a pivotal role in understanding discrimination. Learn from Saba’s insights on how different layers of identity, like race, gender, and disability, create unique challenges and how they can be addressed effectively. 🧩
Slide 4: Building Trust in Institutions
🏢 Dive into the complex relationship between marginalised communities and institutions like the police. Uncover Saba’s nuanced take on building bridges and restoring faith, aiming for a safer and more inclusive society. 🤝
Slide 5: Call to Action
🎧 Ready to be inspired? Tune into our latest episode of Inclusion Bites! 🎙️
Join Joanne Lockwood and Saba Ali on this enlightening journey into the heart of inclusion and advocacy. Listen now to uncover stories that challenge and inspire positive change. 🔗 [Link in Bio] #InclusionBites #SpeakTruthToPower
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Inclusion Bites: Conversations of Resilience and Empowerment
Navigating the rich tapestry of voices that make up the fabric of inclusion often leads us to unexpected yet profoundly enlightening conversations. Recently, I had the honour of speaking with Saba Ali, a formidable advocate for justice in marginalised communities. Our exchange was a journey through diverse experiences, revealing the transformative power of speaking truth to power. Let me take you through some of the standout insights we uncovered.
Empowering Marginalised Voices: A Symphony of Change
Diving into our conversation, Saba Ali illuminated her life's mission: to amplify marginalised voices and channel them into institutional change. But what propels someone to take on such a monumental task? The answer lies in lived experiences of cultural and childhood trauma, which fostered an indomitable spirit within her. Imagine growing up in a household devoid of support, only to emerge as a beacon of strength and guidance for others. Saba’s journey from a challenging childhood to becoming a vocal ally speaks volumes about resilience. How can one person's story inspire others to channel adversity into advocacy?
The Role of Allies: Clearing Paths and Holding Space
As we delved deeper, it became clear how crucial allyship is in the pursuit of equality. I was struck by Saba’s dedication to providing platforms for trans voices, a commitment not just expressed in words but through actionable support. In spaces often clouded by prejudice, having allies wield their privilege can be a game-changer. Isn’t it empowering when one’s ally is not just a supporter but a collaborator in the fight for dignity? This resonance of strength and solidarity leads to a broader question: how do we encourage more people to step into roles of active allyship?
Intersectionality: The Layers of Identity
One of the terms that frequently punctuated our dialogue was intersectionality. More than just a buzzword, it is a crucial lens with which to view the complexity of individual identities. Saba presented intersectionality not only as an academic concept but as an everyday reality, drawing from her own identities as a woman of faith, colour, and queerness. With so many layers to consider, how does intersectionality inform our understanding of privilege and oppression? Her insights beckon us to reflect on how these intersecting identities impact lived experiences daily.
Creating Safe Spaces: Challenges and Triumphs
Throughout our discussion, the necessity of creating safe spaces for vulnerable communities was a recurrent theme. Yet, the road to achieving truly inclusive environments is riddled with obstacles. Saba’s experience in advocacy highlights the critical nature of such spaces, which serve not only as sanctuaries but as launchpads for broader societal change. What role do these safe spaces play in facilitating open dialogue and healing? It’s a reminder that safety is a fundamental pillar upon which empowerment is built.
Police Trust and Community Relations: Bridging the Gap
In exploring community relations with the police, Saba provided a nuanced perspective on trust-building. Despite a ubiquitous distrust of the police among marginalised groups, her anecdotes shed light on the genuine efforts of individuals within the system striving for positive change. The juxtaposition of systemic failures against stories of individual empathy poses an intriguing question: can trust ever be fully restored, and what does it truly take to bridge this gap?
Chosen Family: The Backbone of Resilience
Perhaps one of the most touching parts of our conversation was exploring the concept of chosen family. In a world that can sometimes feel isolating, these self-built circles offer invaluable support and love. My heart resonated with the stories of resilience, where chosen families stood firm as lifelines in turbulent times. How does the warmth of acceptance found in chosen families compare to traditional family structures?
As I reflect on these rich discussions, it’s evident that the power of conversation holds the potential to spark profound change. By raising awareness and sowing seeds of understanding, we can work together towards a world where everyone not only belongs but thrives. Join me on Inclusion Bites as we continue these vibrant dialogues, inviting you, dear listener, to become an active part of this transformative journey.
👉 If you're ready to dive deeper into the heart of inclusion, listen to more inspiring stories at seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen.
TikTok Summary
🎧 Get ready for a bold dive into the world of inclusion with the latest episode of Inclusion Bites! 🎙️ Joanne Lockwood chats with Saba Ali, a fierce advocate for marginalised communities, about "Speaking Truth to Power." 💪🏽 Delve deep into intersectionality, cultural abuse, and the lived experiences of queer South Asian individuals. It's a discussion filled with raw honesty and inspirational truths that you won't want to miss.
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Join the conversation that challenges norms and sparks change. 📢 #InclusionBites #SpeakingTruthToPower #Intersectionality #PodcastRecommendation
Slogans and Image Prompts
Certainly! Here are some memorable slogans, soundbites, and quotes from the episode "Speaking Truth to Power" that could be featured on merchandise or used as hashtags. Each is paired with an AI image generation prompt to create appealing visuals:
Slogan: "Ignite the Spark of Inclusion"
AI Image Prompt: Design an image of a hand holding a lit match, where the flame forms a rainbow. The background should be a blending of various skin tones, representing diversity and inclusion. The text "Ignite the Spark of Inclusion" should be bold and vibrant, overlayed on the flame.
Soundbite: "Your Voice Needs to Be Heard"
AI Image Prompt: Create a design featuring a megaphone surrounded by a diverse group of people in silhouette, each with their mouths open as if speaking. Ensure a mingling of different cultural attire and expressions. The sky is set during a sunrise, symbolising hope and beginning. Overlay the text "Your Voice Needs to Be Heard" in an inspiring font.
Quote: "Better Together: Unite and Support"
AI Image Prompt: Illustrate a series of interlocking hands from diverse backgrounds forming a circle. Place this circle on a backdrop of a globe, depicting unity worldwide. The text "Better Together: Unite and Support" is encircling the hands and globe in a cyclical format, promoting the idea of continuous collaboration.
Hashtag: #ChampioningMarginalizedVoices**
AI Image Prompt: Create a graphic where a multitude of speech bubbles of varying colours and sizes are rising upwards like balloons. Each bubble has a symbol of diversity such as a rainbow, globe, or handshake. The hashtag "ChampioningMarginalizedVoices" should be interwoven among the bubbles, like a banner in a flowing, elegant script.
Slogan: "Believe in the Power of Change"
AI Image Prompt: Depict an image with a chrysalis transforming into a myriad of vibrant butterflies, each displaying different hues representing diversity and transformation. The butterflies fly towards a bright, warm sun. The text "Believe in the Power of Change" should be captured within a radiant sunbeam.
Quote: "Celebrate Authenticity"
AI Image Prompt: An abstract design featuring a mirror reflecting a spectrum of identities in the form of colourful, stylised human figures. They should be dancing or rejoicing. Place the text "Celebrate Authenticity" underneath in a joyful, playful font.
These concepts reflect the essence of the conversation between Joanne Lockwood and Saba Ali, providing inspiring messages suitable for various merchandise formats.
Inclusion Bites Spotlight
In this compelling episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, titled "Speaking Truth to Power," our esteemed guest, Saba Ali, shares her remarkable journey of advocacy and allyship. As a passionate public speaker and critical friend to many, Saba has dedicated her life to championing justice for marginalised communities, with a particular focus on intersectionality and the lived experiences of queer South Asian individuals.
Saba's superpower lies in her ability to amplify marginalised voices and drive institutional change. Throughout this episode, she offers a deeply personal and poignant reflection on her upbringing, discussing the challenges of cultural abuse and the complexities of navigating multiple marginalised identities. Saba's story is both a testament to resilience and a call to action for greater understanding, support, and inclusivity.
In conversation with Joanne Lockwood, Saba explores how her lived experiences have fuelled her passion for advocacy, speaking candidly about the intersection of race, gender, faith, and sexuality. Together, they delve into the importance of representation, collaboration, and the need to listen to and uplift one another within our communities.
Saba's insights remind us of the power of voice and the necessity of standing together to foster a more equitable society. Her dedication to creating a space where individuals feel seen and heard is truly inspiring. This episode is a must-listen for anyone committed to driving change and championing the rights of marginalised communities. Join us as we continue on this transformative journey towards inclusivity and belonging.
YouTube Description
You Won't Believe What Holds Back True Inclusion!
Dare to question the status quo with this riveting episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, featuring a transformative conversation between Joanne Lockwood and Saba Ali. This episode, "Speaking Truth to Power," confronts the challenges faced by marginalised communities, especially within queer South Asian contexts, and delves into the lived experiences of those navigating cultural abuse and intersectionality.
Episode Highlights:
Challenging Authority: Discover the power of speaking truth and the radical impact it has on institutions, paving the way for genuine institutional change.
Personal Triumph: Uncover Saba Ali's inspiring journey from overcoming a traumatic past to becoming a powerful advocate for injustice.
Building Trust: Address the complexities of trust within institutions like the police and criminal justice system, and explore the possible paths to restoring faith.
Community Empowerment: Explore how collaboration and support networks are the pillars of fostering inclusion and belonging.
Takeaways:
Embrace the role of an ally by amplifying voices that often go unheard.
Understand the significance of intersectionality and cultural nuance in driving effective change.
Foster environments of support and compassion to help individuals belong and thrive, especially in dire circumstances.
After listening, you’ll be compelled to think more critically about inclusivity, feel a renewed sense of responsibility to champion diverse voices, and act with empathy and purpose.
Join the conversation and be the change! Subscribe, share, and connect with your community.
#InclusionMatters #Intersectionality #LGBTQAdvocacy #VoiceToPower #CommunityUnity #SocialJustice #CulturalAwareness #Empowerment #SocialChange #InclusionBites
For more information on The Inclusion Bites Podcast, please visit Inclusion Bites Podcast or contact Joanne at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk.
10 Question Quiz
Multiple Choice Quiz: Speaking Truth to Power
What is Joanne Lockwood's primary role in the podcast?
A) Guest
B) Listener
C) Host
D) Sponsor
What is the main focus of the Inclusion Bites Podcast?
A) Financial advice
B) Fashion tips
C) Inclusive cultures and belonging
D) Cooking recipes
What does Saba Ali describe as her superpower?
A) Cooking gourmet meals
B) Amplifying marginalised voices into institutional change
C) Singing professionally
D) Painting abstract art
How does Joanne describe the current episode's purpose?
A) To entertain
B) To speak truth to power
C) To review books
D) To provide financial guidance
Which organisation does the acronym RSA correctly refer to, as noted in the discussion between Joanne and Saba?
A) Royal Society of Arts
B) Rugby Supporters Alliance
C) Retailer Sales Association
D) Renewable Solutions Agency
What award did Saba Ali recently win, as mentioned in the podcast?
A) Best Chef
B) Allyship for the trans community
C) Outstanding Artist
D) Community Volunteer of the Year
Saba Ali uses her experiences to advocate against what types of abuse?
A) Animal abuse
B) Online fraud
C) Cultural and child abuse
D) Environmental hazards
What is Joanne Lockwood's email address for reaching out to join the podcast conversation?
A) info@inclusionbites.co.uk
B) jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk
C) contact@joannelockwood.com
D) support@inclusionpod.org
Who, according to Joanne, benefits most from speaking truth to power within marginalised communities?
A) The media alone
B) Politicians
C) Those within marginalised groups seeking change
D) Corporate executives
What is a common aspect Joanne and Saba agree upon as necessary for the LGBTQ+ community right now?
A) Financial independence
B) Sometimes working in isolation
C) Support, collaboration, and compassion
D) Ignoring current societal issues
Answer Key with Rationale
C) Host
Rationale: Joanne Lockwood is introduced as the host of Inclusion Bites.C) Inclusive cultures and belonging
Rationale: The podcast focuses on inclusion, belonging, and societal transformation.B) Amplifying marginalised voices into institutional change
Rationale: Saba Ali describes this as her superpower.B) To speak truth to power
Rationale: This is the title and focus of the episode.A) Royal Society of Arts
Rationale: The Royal Society of Arts is clarified during the conversation.B) Allyship for the trans community
Rationale: Saba Ali recently won this award.C) Cultural and child abuse
Rationale: Saba Ali draws from personal experiences with these types of abuse.B) jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk
Rationale: This email is given as the contact for input or joining the podcast.C) Those within marginalised groups seeking change
Rationale: The episode highlights speaking truth to power for the benefit of marginalised groups.C) Support, collaboration, and compassion
Rationale: Joanne and Saba discuss the importance of collective support within the community.
Summary
The Inclusion Bites Podcast, hosted by Joanne Lockwood, delves into the transformative realms of inclusive cultures and belonging. Episode 156, titled “Speaking Truth to Power,” spotlights Saba Ali, an advocate who amplifies the voices of marginalised communities into institutional change. Joanne highlights the purpose of truth-telling in empowering those within these groups. The podcast explores the importance of collaboration, support, and compassion within the LGBTQ+ community, particularly amid challenging societal narratives. Through compelling dialogue, listeners gain insights into the journeys and resilience needed to champion inclusion, illustrating the profound impacts of shared narratives and allyship.
Rhyme Scheme and Rhythm Podcast Poetry
Speaking Truth to Power
Within the world where silence reigned,
An inner voice rose, uncontained.
For those who hid in shadows, deep,
A call to stand, no more to weep.
Through trials vast and walls so high,
A troubled past, yet chose to fly.
Finding strength in stories shared,
Empathy woven, hearts prepared.
From marginalised voices comes the might,
Intersectionality, a guiding light.
Championing justice with courage and grace,
Challenging tropes we oft embrace.
To those in need, a beacon shines,
A world of promise in these lines.
Striving for safety, for love, for kin,
The courage to fight the storm within.
In unity, we hold the key,
For every soul to truly be.
Listening, trusting, and standing tall,
Together paving paths for all.
If you've found value in these words,
Share the melody you've just heard.
Subscribe and join this vibrant quest,
For change, for hope, for being the best.
With thanks to Saba Ali for a fascinating podcast episode.
Key Learnings
Key Learning and Takeaway:
The episode "Speaking Truth to Power" on The Inclusion Bites Podcast highlights the profound impact of advocates like Saba Ali, who work tirelessly to amplify marginalised voices and contribute to meaningful societal change. Through sharing her own lived experiences and involvement in advocacy, Saba illustrates the complexities of intersectionality and the critical need for representation and support within marginalised communities. The conversation underscores the importance of listening, empathy, and collaboration as key components in fostering inclusion and driving change.
Blurbs:
Point #1: Intersectionality in Focus
Saba Ali delves into the layers of intersectionality, bringing awareness to her multifaceted identity and experiences. Her insight sheds light on the compounded discrimination faced by individuals who sit at the intersection of various marginalised identities, highlighting the need for nuanced understanding and tailored support.
Point #2: Championing Marginalised Voices
Saba’s dedication to elevating the voices of those who are often silenced is an inspiring reminder of the power of advocacy. By creating platforms for marginalised communities to be heard, she emphasises the ripple effect that one voice can have in driving institutional change.
Point #3: Building Trust with Law Enforcement
The dialogue explores the challenges and importance of building trust between marginalised communities and law enforcement. Saba advocates for transparency, understanding, and representation within the police force to better serve and protect diverse communities.
Point #4: Celebrating Authenticity and Community Support
The episode encourages the celebration of individuals embracing their true selves and the importance of chosen families. By fostering supportive environments, both personally and within broader communities, we can bolster resilience and positive change for all marginalised individuals.
Book Outline
Book Outline: Speaking Truth to Power
Objective: Transform the podcast episode "Speaking Truth to Power" into a structured book outline focusing on the guest's perspective.
Title Suggestions:
Amplifying Marginalised Voices: A Journey from Silence to Power
Unseen Realities: Championing Intersectionality and Justice
Chapter 1: Foundations of Advocacy
Subheading: From Silence to Voice
Realisation of personal calling through lived experiences of abuse.
Subheading: Childhood Hurdles
Exploration of cultural and child abuse impacts.
Subheading: Paths to Resilience
Survival strategies and the role of mental escape and community aid.
Chapter 2: Intersectionality and Identity
Subheading: The Many Layers of Self
Defining gender, race, faith, and disability.
Subheading: The Power of Intersectionality
Historical context and significance.
Subheading: Beyond Labels: Embracing Complexity
Challenge and empowerment through multiple identities.
Chapter 3: Championing Marginalised Voices
Subheading: Becoming a Critical Friend
Advocacy within criminal justice systems.
Subheading: Bridging Communities
Enhancing diversity within advisory circles.
Subheading: The Role of Allyship
Supporting trans and queer communities effectively.
Chapter 4: Navigating Systems of Power
Subheading: A Distrusted System
Complex relationship with institutions like the police.
Subheading: Barriers and Breakthroughs
Encouraging community engagement with authorities.
Subheading: Lessons in Advocacy
Real-world examples of systemic change efforts.
Chapter 5: Building Safe Spaces
Subheading: The Homelessness Crisis
Challenges for young LGBTQ+ individuals.
Subheading: Refuge and Redemption
Examining existing aid structures and their shortcomings.
Subheading: Creating a Network of Support
Role of chosen family and community connections.
Chapter 6: The Power of Listening
Subheading: Stories of Change
Impact of listening on healing and empowerment.
Subheading: Transformative Conversations
The importance of providing a platform for unheard voices.
Subheading: Empathy in Action
Building trust through attentive advocacy.
Chapter 7: The Path Forward
Subheading: Education as Liberation
The role of informed discussion and learning.
Subheading: Resisting Division
Importance of unity within LGBTQ+ communities.
Subheading: Combating Far-Right Narratives
Challenges posed by social media and political climates.
Conclusion: Uniting Voices for Change
Summary: Recap of key insights from advocacy experiences and personal growth.
Call to Action: Inspire readers to engage with and support marginalised communities more actively.
Supplementary Content:
Quotes and Anecdotes: Include compelling quotes from the transcript to highlight the guest’s emotional journey.
Interactive Elements: Include reflection questions and action steps to foster reader engagement and self-awareness.
Visual Aids: Consider diagrams illustrating intersectionality and its impacts.
Refinement and Feedback Process:
Ensure content flows smoothly and is free from biases.
Seek feedback from LGBTQ+ advocates and community members to enhance authenticity and accuracy.
This structured outline captures the essence of the podcast episode by focusing on themes of resilience, identity, and advocacy, creating a compelling narrative for readers.
Maxims to live by…
Amplify Marginalised Voices: Strive to create platforms and opportunities where underrepresented voices can be heard, understood, and empowered to drive change.
Seek Justice for All: Champion justice for marginalised communities by understanding their unique lived experiences and advocating for systemic change.
Embrace Intersectionality: Recognise and embrace the multiple layers of identity, understanding their collective impact on an individual's experience and the discrimination they may face.
Listen Actively: Offer a compassionate ear to those who have been silenced or marginalised. Often, being heard is the first step towards healing and empowerment.
Foster Inclusivity: Create welcoming environments where diversity is celebrated, and everyone feels a sense of belonging, not just inclusion.
Challenge the Status Quo: Resist accepting societal norms as they are and be willing to confront and change systems of power and oppression.
Drive Advocacy Through Collaboration: Work together with others, pooling resources and strengths to make a greater impact, rather than working in isolation.
Value Lived Experience: Recognise the importance and validity of personal stories and experiences, using them to inform and guide advocacy efforts.
Promote Restorative Justice: When addressing conflicts or harm, focus on healing, learning, and reconciliation rather than punishment or revenge.
Celebrate Authenticity: Honour those who live as their true selves, and create spaces where others can safely do the same, recognising the courage this often requires.
Educate and Inform: Aim to spread awareness and knowledge, dispelling myths and reducing ignorance to foster understanding and mutual respect.
Hold the Rope for Others: Stand in solidarity with those who face discrimination, offering support and protection against prejudice and hate.
Nurture Safe Spaces: Cultivate environments that protect individuals from harm, providing sanctuary and support for those who need it.
Be Open to Learning: Remain open to new perspectives and acknowledge when your understanding must evolve or when you need to take action for change.
By adhering to these principles, we can all contribute towards a more inclusive and equitable world.
Extended YouTube Description
Video Description
Speaking Truth to Power | Inclusion Bites Podcast Episode 156
Join Joanne Lockwood in a compelling conversation with the inspiring Saba Ali as they uncover the transformative power of amplifying marginalised voices in Episode 156 of the Inclusion Bites Podcast. In "Speaking Truth to Power," delve into Saba's journey of advocacy for justice within intersectional, cultural, and queer South Asian communities. Discover Saba’s superpower – turning marginalised voices into institutional change.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction: Welcome to Inclusion Bites
01:03 - Guest Introduction: Saba Ali and her impactful work
02:24 - Connection Story: How Joanne and Saba's paths intertwined
03:33 - Community Engagement: LGBTQIA network and current challenges
04:42 - Personal Calling: Saba's journey to advocacy
08:50 - Struggles and Overcoming Abuse: Lived realities and intersectionality
11:04 - The Importance of Listening: Giving voice to untold stories
13:43 - Speaking Truth to Power: Allies in action
19:17 - Collaboration and Representation: Amplifying diverse voices
21:12 - Trust in Institutions: Policing and community dynamics
31:15 - Resolving Conflict: Experiences with law enforcement
40:01 - Support Networks: The significance of chosen family
51:46 - Relationship Dynamics: Navigating personal transformations
56:11 - Conclusion: How to connect with Saba
Description:
Dive into an enriching episode where Joanne Lockwood and Saba Ali discuss the intersectionality, cultural challenges, and lived realities of queer South Asian individuals. Saba candidly shares her personal story of overcoming childhood trauma and cultural abuse, and how it propelled her to become a critical friend to institutions like the police. As they navigate the complexities of advocacy, Saba reveals her dedication to raising awareness about marginalised communities, creating inclusive spaces, and giving voices the platform they deserve.
Listeners will learn how to leverage their own experiences to foster change, the importance of collaboration, and the power of speaking up for those who cannot. Joanne and Saba also illuminate the value of having strong support networks, whether through chosen family or community engagement, emphasising that unity and collaboration are key to confronting societal challenges.
Call to Action:
Subscribe to Inclusion Bites for more transformative conversations that challenge and inspire! Visit seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen for additional resources and upcoming episodes. Share this video with friends who are passionate about diversity and inclusion. Let’s create a world where everyone not only belongs but thrives.
Relevant Hashtags: #InclusionBites #DiversityAndInclusion #SpeakTruthToPower #Intersectionality #QueerVoices #MarginalisedCommunities #JusticeForAll
Engage with the conversation, share your thoughts in the comments, and let us know how you've advocated for inclusion in your community!
Substack Post
Navigating the Complexities of Speaking Truth to Power
In the ever-evolving landscape of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI), organisations often grapple with the power dynamics that underlie workplace cultures. How do we cultivate an environment where voices that have historically been marginalised can speak their truth without fear? This week on the Inclusion Bites Podcast, I sit down with the remarkable Saba Ali to delve into just that. Saba, a public speaker and a critical friend with an unyielding dedication to amplifying marginalised voices, joins me for a candid conversation that reveals the heart of what it means to challenge the status quo.
Unveiling the Power of Voices
In the episode titled "Speaking Truth to Power," Saba shares her personal journey and illuminates the transformative power of authentic advocacy. We unravel the complexities of intersectionality, explore cultural and domestic abuse, and delve into the realities faced by queer South Asian individuals. This conversation is a profound resource for HR professionals, Diversity & Inclusion leaders, Talent and Recruitment heads, and those involved in Organisational Development, offering them insights into building cultures that genuinely nurture belonging.
Throughout our dialogue, Saba's lived experiences poignantly illustrate the urgency of creating systems that listen, understand, and integrate diverse voices into meaningful change. Her ability to serve as a bridge between marginalised communities and institutions is both inspiring and instructive for anyone vested in advancing equity.
Empowering Lessons from Saba Ali
Saba’s journey offers a compelling narrative filled with actionable insights that can guide us in fostering more inclusive environments. Here are some key takeaways from our dialogue:
The Power of Listening
Advocacy begins by actively listening to the voices of those often unheard. Organisational cultures can profoundly benefit from prioritising empathetic listening, which forms the bedrock of trust and inclusive dialogues.Understanding Intersectionality
Embrace the nuances of intersectionality as a framework for recognising the diverse layers of identity. Acknowledging how various forms of discrimination intersect can tailor approaches to DEI practices effectively.Courage to Challenge Norms
Strengthen inclusivity by emboldening those within your organisation to question and challenge established norms. As Saba shares, being a 'gobby woman'—unreserved and vocal—is sometimes necessary to usher in change.Building Bridges, Not Walls
Foster collaborations between communities and power structures, as Saba does with law enforcement. This can dismantle barriers, engender trust, and pave the way for more empathic institutions.Invest in Allyship
Real allyship involves advocating for marginalised voices and sharing platforms where those voices can be amplified. This necessitates moving beyond symbolic gestures to actionable commitments.
A Moment of Inspiration
Curious about how this all unfolds in our conversation? Watch this one-minute audiogram for an enriching excerpt, where Saba eloquently discusses the profound impact of being a voice for the silenced. Click here to watch and witness the essence of speaking truth to power condensed in a powerful moment.
Continue the Exploration
There's so much more waiting for you in this episode. I invite you to dive deeper into our conversation by listening to the full episode. Join us here for a thought-provoking discussion filled with insights and inspiration that can invigorate your approach to fostering inclusive organisational cultures.
Contemplating Change
As you consider the insights from this episode, ask yourself: How can you, in your role, catalyse an environment that welcomes and values diverse voices? Reflect on the strategies discussed and think about the intentional actions you can take to create a culture of trust and inclusion within your organisation.
Let us inspire change that transcends rhetoric. Let's make equity and inclusion a formidable reality that transforms workplaces.
Stay Connected with the Conversation
Engage further with our DEI journey:
YouTube – Watch highlights and compelling moments.
TikTok – Delight in bite-sized DEI insights.
LinkedIn – Connect for regular updates and discussions.
Website – Explore resources, articles, and how we can aid your organisation’s DEI efforts.
Reach out if you’d like to discuss how I can support your organisational needs through speaking, training, and DEI consulting.
Join us in building workplaces that resonate with belonging and where everyone feels their voice matters.
What will you do today to amplify these voices and nurture your organisation’s inclusive culture?
Until our next dialogue,
Joanne Lockwood
Host of the Inclusion Bites Podcast
The Inclusive Culture Expert at SEE Change Happen
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