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I'm, of course, your host, Phil Better, the podcast mo and today's episode is a special especially powerful for anyone standing at a crossroads, wondering what's next, whether it's too late to start over. Spoiler alert. It's not. In fact, it might be the right, perfect time. Today's guest is an engineer, business strategist, and leadership mentor who's redefining what's possible for midlife professionals, especially women, ready to step into their next chapter with confidence, clarity, and serious strategy. She's built a career helping people align their technical strength with visionary speaking thinking. Empower them to lead with data, direction and deep personal conviction. Whether you're looking to transition out of stale corporate roles, step into leadership, or simply start thinking like a CEO of your own life, this conversation is going to be packed with insight you don't want to miss.

So stay tuned because in just a few seconds, you're going to meet my amazing guest. Thank you, Sairan Sairan, thank you so much for being here.

Thank you so much, Phil, for having me for the beautiful intro. I'm so glad to be here.

All right, Siran, we had a few bits of minutes before the podcast started to talk about you in general. You're currently still working, but you're working on creating, as you call it, your heaven after you retire or leave the working force. And I love that. Because a business should be your heaven. It should be the place where you are free to do what you want, what you love. So my question is, why are you deciding to transition from, you know, corporate world into the entrepreneurial world? What made you decide you wanted the second half, if you will, of your life will be an entrepreneurial life.

Thank you, Phil, for the question. I believe, really, when you spend so much time at work, if it's not joyful, if it's not something that you really enjoy doing it. That will be stressful, a trigger and you're not going to be happy when you get home. That's going to affect your personal life. So when I done finishing my master's degree and I was starting my doctoral degree in engineering, I realized that being good in math and being a smart engineer, that's not only thing that I can leave as an impact. I can do better than this. I start asking myself question like is is that all I can do? I'm just going to make money in the corporate America and I'm making good paycheck and pay the bills and have two vacation in the year and I would call that effective life? I don't think so. That's calling a boring routine.

That's calling a boring life. That I can't even give it a life right because it's not impactful. I'm not leaving an impact. I'm not making any changes. So I decided while I was doing my doctor I freeze my doctoral program. I never looked back, I never finish it and I start coaching and mentoring younger engineer at my university. And that was just the start. And I started talking at women in technology, stand beside them, dress for success and so many others platform and every time I question my mission or my vision to be an entrepreneur, something will come across my day.

An email or a text or a message saying you make me change. Please go on. So I know engineering and my day job is not the only thing I can do. So to answer your question, the pivotal moment was when I was receiving feedback and client telling me you changed my life. Two years ago when I was questioning myself, I didn't have any sense of confidence or any sense of belonging. You changed that mindset by coaching me and thank you very much, please go on. And that's what's keep me going.

Oh, that is such a powerful reason. You know when you get those positive comments when, especially when you. Because we know entrepreneurial ship is not a. It's a bumpy ride. There's. There's highs, there's lows, there's in between. But when you're in that, if you have that low you get one of those text messages that say hey you help me look at this when I got and it just brings you out of those lows and I love that when you have that and that's what keeps pushing you to be your entrepreneurial self because it's amazing. With that said, did you have entrepreneurs in your life before you figured you were going to be an entrepreneur or Were you just fell into the role of entrepreneur?

When I started, I started different niche or niche. I used to be transition expert. I have a full blown website. I was helping international women who come to United States who has engineering background to live their American dream. I done it for over four and a half, maybe five years. Then my mentor said, I think Ceylani are ready to make the pivot. I think you are very good in business finding niche for other coaches. Why you don't be a business strategist.

So I thought about it and to be honest, when you change your niche or you do such transformation in your business, it's a little bit scary because. Because I didn't follow the blue map or the. I didn't copy any model for someone who was all the time teaching me how to do it right. I kind of like jump into it and I start like figuring out as I go. So to be honest, my first platform, I made a lot of mistake. As a matter of fact, I can write books about the mistake because the reason why I made a lot of mistake because all my life I've been the tech women. Numbers has to add up one plus one, right? There is an equation and the outcome should be you gotta be good at math. This is why I am able to design, building and bridges.

Well, entrepreneur, as you know, you are an entrepreneur yourself is not a linear path you come across. A lot of things will slap you so bad you'll be like, you are wrong A to Z. So it was such a shock for me because all my life I learned numbers to add up. Everything has to make sense. And in business there is a lot of things doesn't make sense and it's not as you plan for. And what I found out when I changed my niche to be a business strategist, that I took all the lessons and all the failure, you know, blocks and I stumble on and the things that I realized, you know what I learned from those, I should celebrate those more than my credential and my degree. Because when we succeed in something, we kind of like think that's it for us. But when we fail, we have to think twice why we fail, what took me to that point.

So we learn more from the failure's lessons than to gain a success in our life. So to go back to your question, I. I was not born entrepreneur. I was not born a businesswoman. Since I was a teenage, I was only good in math. I was someone who loved science and technology. But one thing was on me as a hidden talent or I call it A hidden gem. Since I was a teenager and a younger in my 20s, I thought that the world or my friend's problem are my problem I have to fix.

So I was always like a problem solver, solver per se, not just in equation and math, but even in emotional intelligence. So when friend come to me, they said, I have certain scenario that's bothering me. I felt obligated to kind of listen and solve the issue for them. So I feel like the problem solving it was on me from long time ago.

I love that. I love when people are problem solvers because they solve the problems of the world and of people as well. Like you help solve problems for people and you carry that on in, like you said, into your first entrepreneurial venture where you were helping, you know, people from overseas, middle. I'm presuming it's Middle Eastern women entrepreneur engineers coming over to live their life. You were finding that you're solving the problem for them. You were constantly solving problems. And I think that probably is the one of the core values of an entrepreneur is a problem solver. If you can't solve problems, it's harder to be an entrepreneur, but it's not impossible because most entrepreneurs are solving a problem for their ideal client, customer, whatever you want to call it.

And I love that, that you, even at a young age, you were trying to solve problems for your friends.

Yes.

Understanding their issues and go, okay, maybe this is the situation, this is how you can solve it. So I think that's, that's an amazing thing for our listeners to realize. Like, as long as you can solve problems, you can become an entrepreneur. And it doesn't have to stop you be an entrepreneur at a young age. Like you, we're solving problems for your friends. And that's entrepreneurial in its base. When did you decide to go? Like, I know you had your mentor who mentioned, hey, you're really good at business strategy instead of being helping women overseas, finding their niche. When you went down that road of business strategist, did you notice a fundamental change from how your previous business was working or your previous venture was working to this one? Or were there enough parallels that you were like, oh, this is exactly the.

Same, is actually not the same at all. Because my ideal client, before I shut down my first platform, they were all international women with engineering background. So I was basically, my packages was 6 months and, and 12 months because they were already shocked with the, you know, culture shock and, you know, language barrier. All the obstacles they, they face when they move to United States. When I change on September 2023 to business strategist. My client now are business owners who are still looking for their best niche. And because I'm a certified coach with icf, so I know how it's work. What's the difference, the big difference between mentoring someone or coaching someone, There is this kind of fine line.

I'm not a consultant, I'm not a therapist. And to be honest with you, when I change my niche to be a business strategist, I, I had to apologize to a lot of clients in a, in a, in a diplomatic way because some of them, they were not coachable. And that's the thing about business, because you feel like you have to make money every time from anyone who approach you or send you an email. And that's not the real case filled. And you know this very well because you are in the business as well. Sometimes people approaching you to be guess at your podcast and with all respect, I mean they have beautiful background, they have amazing LinkedIn, but you don't see them align with the, with the message of your podcast. So you apologize, say I'm busy, I'm back to back whatever excuse you have because that, that guest will not add anything to your audience nor to your platform. Same thing with me when customers or clients, they search me and they say, oh, business strategist, oh, she's smart, she's an engineer, she's going to solve all my problems, right? And men and women and will talk in women in general because I said I'm a midlife strategist for women.

Some of them, they come with that ego. And because they are chief engineer or they are in finance, they are lawyers or in a, you know, medical, you know, industry, they come with that ego saying I have it all. Then I ask them then why you are here. I mean, just why are you paying me hourly and I charge you? I mean, well, I don't know, can you make me feel happier or more joy? I'm not a therapist and I'm not your friend. And I keep reminding the client, you might be my friend. Later on when we finish the one month coaching, I might meet you in a coffee shop and we start chatting about life. But right now I'm your guide, I'm your coach. I have to take you from A to B.

So you come to the session and venting about your kids not being an A student or your husband is not helping you around the kitchen. That's none of my business. That's not my expertise. Right? My you hire me as a coach to take you to the best version of yourself by you know, emphasizing the importance of your self investment, how you invest in yourself, gaining more skills and you know, talent in order to take you to the best version. So sometimes I have to clarify that to the client and just say I'm not the best match. Maybe there is another coach can help you. And also be clear from the beginning because this is an agreement between me and you. If you are not clear, what is really my role is, it's not a therapist, I'm not a magician.

I'm not going to change your life in 48 hours. This is not a painkiller session. Right. This is a coaching session that all depend your inner work. You have to decide that me coaching you, it requires a lot of work and accountability. Right. It's not on me to change your life, it's on you. And to be honest, just if you, if you want to succeed, it's a decision.

If you want to change is your own decision, it's not mine. So I have to clarify that in the session.

No, I love that because a lot of people assume that coaching is therapy, but it's not. We're not. You can be a therapist coach and that's a completely different world and a different thing that you're working in. But being a business coach or being a, you know, transitional coach from hey, I'm going from this business to this business or helping international women or international engineers deal with the culture shock of coming to North America, us in particular, it is something completely different. And yes, afterwards we may be co. We may become closer that we can talk about those things. But that's not your expertise or expertise is helping them in this regard. And I love how saying that they should go to therapy, I think a lot of people, a lot more people need to go to therapy to help deal with some of the struggles that we face.

Yeah.

Because we used to have the communities and I believe most international people come still from that community based place where they have the help from the community where they can, you know, have their therapies, if you will, with their friends and family members or their community. Whereas in North America we're more individualized and less in a setting. So we do need the therapies and the therapy is something I am 100% behind. I, I've, I am in therapy and I love therapy because it allows you to be clearer on who you are as an individual. I want to know because you have an engineering background which is very interesting because most engineers go into some sort of engineering Type business. They, they build their consult engineering consultancy or they build an engineering firm or something along those lines. You're going, no, I'm going to put my engineering on the back burner for now and I'm going to go into something completely different. I want to know how that helped shape the way you help people reinvent themselves.

Yes. Yeah. And I have to be honest with you, very important to reinvent in ourselves. This is why I was excited about your platform and I looked at about your previous guest and how you talk the importance about reinventing ourselves and it's happened to be that my background is engineering and one guy who I met him like 10 years ago, we were talking about starting a business. Is it hard? Is it something simple we should do being in the tech world? And he told me, he said, I think you are ideal example for arranged marriage between IQ and the eq. That's exactly what I did. I arranged marriage between my IQ as an engineer and my emotional intelligence as a business strategist. Because you can be all, you know, rigid and solid by talking with numbers and fact and sometimes it's get hard to build bridges and rapport with people.

I can come to this podcast and only talk about numbers with you. It's kind of boring, right? I mean the self development component, it's very exciting. This is why when I saw the platform you're talking about reinventing yourself, I was like, this is emotional intelligence. This is the greatest form of leadership. You reinventing yourself, it's, it's going to a best leadership that you're looking for. Warren Buffett talk about it. He said the best investment you can make in your life is investing in yourself. And who said that? Warren Buffett.

Who's better than him to say that making billion dollars, right? Because when you invest in your, you know, quality of your self development, communication, speaking skills, talent that you acquire and you become black belt on it, that's going to open door. A lot of. It does open a lot of doors for you. When you start your podcast, Phil, I'm sure you are doubting why I'm doing this, right?

Yeah.

See the success when you go back and comparing your, let's say today's episode, it's episode 45 and. And you compare it with the episode one or four. You proud of the success and the progress you have done, right? What you did exactly. You invest in yourself. You were not waiting for me or somebody else. They said here, here it is the manual. Here is the 1, 2, 3, 4. To be a better broadcaster or you know, be effective podcaster, you work hard on that platform, right? So now you see the success and by the improvement, by the investment you have done.

And each one of us, in any industry, you can be in finance, you can be in and health industry, you can be an engineer, whatever industry you chose to be. If you are not investing all the time, you stay stagnant with all the AI and the technology around you. You will stay in the corner, isolated, and you have to have that ability or the desire to adapt, to invest on those technology, because life is different. I mean, when I graduate, I guess, hundred years ago, my kids, they talk about the way how they finish college. I mean, they finish their homework on the phone. I mean, back in the days when I was an engineer, we were not even allowed to have the calculator in our hand, and we were in engineering school. But the calculator, it was a taboo. If they see it in your hand, they cancel you from the test and you get zero on the exam.

Now life changes. Now everything is a calculator. Everything is, everything is AI. You just have to love it. You have to cope with the change in order to be part of this community and be part of this coexisting collaboration between all aspects of life. So I feel it's, it's. There is no age to reinvent. I, I get annoyed when I hear women saying I'm 50 or a man saying I'm 50.

It's time to slow down, play safe, right? Stay beside, you know, on the lane. Life is good. I don't need to reinvent. You have to reinvent in yourself and, and make a big investment to be a better person until you master your game. And that's how you become effective.

I love it and I love what you said. People think it's when they reach a certain age, it's time to slow down, you know, start thinking about retirement, relaxation, you know, or playing it safe. But it's not true. It's you. You've played. Most people played safe their whole life. And some people even think when they're in their midlife, it's too late for me to change. Yes, but you're, you have a completely different way of thinking.

And I want to know, when someone says, is it too late? What are the first three strategic shifts that you help them make when they come to say, and they're like, oh, it's too late for me to change my life? What are some of the. Or what are like three first steps that they need to take to realize that no it's not too late. It's just the start.

Yeah. I kind of asked them the question back. I said, define what's late to me. What is late? They said, oh, 50 is late. I said, then what is 80? If it's 50 is late, then what is 80 and 90? People become billionaire in their 60. They become effective when they are hitting their 70. The age is a number that, I mean, you can skip it, right? When I was in my 20, I was rushing to be in my 30. When I finished college, I was rushing to get married and have a babies.

When I have babies and I went back to my master, I rushed to be more wise and hit my 50. Those number and age is coming. Don't rush for it. Right. And we talked about, you know, when I, my son is 23, I wish if he was stay 5 years or 7 years when I was enjoying him, not reply back to me and answer me back. But each stage, each age has its own beauty and it's gold. In every age, you have to enjoy your 30 as well. You enjoy your 4 and 50.

Don't be scared from that age. Because see, Phil, when I tell my client, when you hit that 50, yes, you are aging, but you bringing all those lessons with you, no one can take those away from you. No. Not in, not ever. In my imagination, I would be in podcasts or speaking at stages. When I was still in my 20 and my 30s, I was still navigating, I was still searching. I was still not having that self confidence or competency, oh, I'm gonna go and speak on stages. I'm not saying I'm less brown now, but I'm more comfortable, right? I'm more comfortable when you put me in a room with 50 or 100 engineers, all male dominated.

I'm in construction. Imagine 99.9 people I work with are male. When I was younger, I was so harsh on myself. I was questioning my ability, I was questioning my skills. But now when I hit my 50, the good part about it, I have all those skills and lessons that I learn along the way, right? No one can take that away from you. When you reach that point, no one can. You are doing your podcast five years from now. Imagine how many lessons you learn.

I cannot take those from you, Phil, because you will learn it as you go, right? Yes, you age five years, but with that five years, what else? You gain a lot of lessons, a lot of skills and talented that you never thought you're going to gain while you're doing your podcast. The same thing with Every industry, so enjoy every stage. It's not scary.

It's. No, it's not. And I love how you said like it's time's going to pass regardless. Like five years are going to come regardless of if you rush or if you take your time. It's the, the most important thing is that you learn through those period, those five years because you will get the wisdom to help you move. And I love that you, you clarify that with your, your, your clients. You, you. I love the first question.

What is Too late? Is 50 too late? Then what about 80? Is 80 too late? Because if we look at Warren Buffett, his money just compounds every year and he wouldn't be the same richness at 60 as he was today.

Yeah. And another things when they tell, I'm talking, let's say women. When they said, oh, I'm late on my 50, I'm too old to start something. And when I asked them if they have kids or if they don't, they said, oh, I'm an empty nester. I said, wait a minute, what does empty nester mean? Why you empty your life just because you define fullness life by having your son and daughter in the house. You are not an empty nester. You have more freedom. Now.

We tend by default human being. We use negative connotation to feel comfortable, to soothe our soul. Right. But in reality, just like this, that the side hustle. I say side heaven. Midlife crisis. I call it midlife priceless. Because by you changing and re.

Re. You have to tweak. Retweak those negative connotation because those negative label it's hurting you along the way. So why is midlife is crisis? Why to me, why when I hit my 50, I was happier? I have no idea. If you ask me that question, I always tell my husband, I don't know why I even feel more fulfilled when I hit my 50. I didn't have that self confidence. When I was in my 20s. I was younger, more beautiful, skinnier.

I was a swimming coach. But I did not have that self confidence until I hit my 50s. And I'm not telling you, wait until you hit your physics. I'm asking you to enjoy every age you have. If you are in your city, act in your 30. If you are 40, act like a 40. Because each age it has its own lessons and has it shape you the way you are. So yes, I think it's, it's, it's a journey.

You just have to enjoy it. Try not to use. I tell my client, oh my Kids left me. I said, now you want to feel sorry for yourself. Don't be in that mentality. Oh, my son did not call me for Mother Day then he's not a good son. He forgot what I have done for him. Don't be always on the edge for others to pay you back what you have done.

You are a mom. That was your duty to be a good mother to him. Don't feel sorry or miserable just because he missed telling you. Happy Mother Day. This is why I said it's not an empty nester. It's a. It's a full blown age of your life stage that you have to enjoy. Say I have more freedom because they are out of the house.

They start their own life. Now it's my time to start my own business. So there is no empty nest. I don't like those terms. No.

And I love how you're reinventing terms as well. Because it's, it's.

It.

It powers the mind. Because there's that saying. First someone thinks it, then speaks it and then it becomes reality.

Yes.

When you use the negative words like crisis or empty nesters, it brings those. It makes you feel like you have nothing left. You're empty inside, which is not true. You just, you, like you said, you have this gained of freedom. And one of the things I've been doing in my life is trying to re change the way I speak in the words that I use. I try and remove the negativity from the words and I attempt to eliminate the use of the word try because I believe try is an excuse. You try something. Oh, I tried it and it didn't work.

No, you have to succeed at it. You have to push yourself until you get it to the end. And I'm wondering with that said, because you've had this life where you have reinvented yourself into becoming a business strategist. You've reinvented yourself into helping international engineer female engineers come to the country and find their niche, find how they can survive the culture shock, the language barriers and all that, as well as originally being an engineer. And then before that you reinvented yourself from a swimming coach. Like you have reinvented yourself a lot through your life. I'm wondering what have you done to with that? Because you reinvest in yourself. What have you done to invest in yourself to be, be able to reinvent yourself over the years?

Yes. So to, to really invest in yourself. And like you say the try, I say committed. And I tell that to my client when you come to me don't dream, don't wish, be committed. If you are not committed, don't even call me because I need that commitment for you to invest in yourself to be a better version in five years. To answer your question, what I have done in my personal experience, I always remember Ryan Holiday, one of the American author, he said, don't talk about philosophy, embody it. Same thing when you read books, I'm not going to be kind of like, oh wow, look at him. I'm inspired by this guy because he read a lot of books, everyone can read books.

But are you really taking action after you're reading those chapters? I can come to you and say I read this book, I done this conferences, I did networking, I was a speaker on those summit. But have you done the work? And I think that's what I have done in my journey when I decided to be a business woman and taking the entrepreneurship while I'm still working right now, I take action. I'm bold enough, I'm brave enough to take the action even if it scare me to death. Because every time, Phil, I find out when I do something that's really scare me, it used to scare me in my 30 and 40 and now when I hit my 50, I said I'm still going to do it. I'm not going to die. Like Les Brown said, die empty, right? Don't die having something. Die empty, die. Ever decide to go to death after you've done all the stuff that you wish for or dreamed for in your 20 and 30.

So I feel like by taking action I have reached better results and milestone because I did not over analysis everything, every step. Oh, let me put that business plan to test again. Let me ask for feedback. Just start and do it before you are ready. Imagine when you, when you have decided to have your podcast, you take three years to have the best podcast platform, the best tools, the best whatever Riverside or Zoom or whatever. You keep thinking, you keep procrastinating, you keep delaying. Imagine you lost your momentum and by the time you are restudying and analysis over analysis, all your steps, somebody else already done it and they are ahead of you five years. So the more you think about the process, enjoy the process, but take action.

And that's what I have done. To answer your question, yes, I went through the steps. I always have a strategy. I'm an engineer. So there is always a blue map. There's always a map, there's always a navigator, there's always a steps one step, two step three. But I used to, when I was Younger. I used to be stagnant on step one, then rethink step two, then kind of muted step four.

No, start right now. You're going to learn the lessons and you're going to learn as you go. So take action without action. I feel like even confidence doesn't come first. Action does. First you have to take the action and if you made a mistake, great. Learn from the lessons, do it a different way. And the confidence comes from the competency.

Right. When you become competent by doing it so many times, the repetition, that's what is in making confidence so true.

Oh, I love it. Because you've hit on so many amazing points that the audience needs to know. Just do it. Because if you fail, it's your first attempt in learning. That's how I look at failing. It's your first attempt in learning and you get to learn. You get to learn. Okay, this works.

This doesn't work. Hey, it all works. It doesn't work. You realize the power of action because without action it's just thoughts. We need that actions. We need to do something. We are coming to the end of the episode which I hate because I'm having such a great time talking with you. Really got tongue tied, but I remembered I'm wondering, I have your 10 year old self beside me.

Amazing young lady, super fun to chat with. What's one piece of advice you would love to hand back to 10 year old you?

10 years. Oh, okay. So I was not in the United States. I was still in Iraq and north of Iraq. So I would tell myself 10 or 15 that not to be so harsh on myself, not to be harsh, be more gentle. You got this. You're going to make it happen. Just don't be harsh.

Be more gentle.

I love that. And that's, that's so important. Not only at for tend to the teenage people, but also when you're in your 50s, 60s and 70s, you can't be hard on yourself because again, you're attempting something maybe for the first time. You are, you know, you are living this life this year for the first time, this age for the first time. So just be gentle with yourself and be kinder to yourself. Seyran, I'm going to jump off stage. I want you to let the audience know where they can connect with you. If they are currently in their midlife and they're feeling that they want to reinvent themselves and want to have someone as an expert like yourself.

So please let them know where they can connect with you.

Thank you, Phil. Thank you. So I'm in two platform LinkedIn Sarana Kravi can find me there or Instagram Sayranikravi in one word and for the sake of your audience and your beautiful platform Phil, I would invite anyone who is interested to reinvent their life. Midlife 4050 it doesn't matter if you want to get your best version reach out to me. Mention Phil better platform and I'll give you 15 minutes complimentary on Instagram to start your side heaven side business. Or if you want to scale your LinkedIn, gain confidence, be a better interviewer or just gain that executive presence in LinkedIn, reach out to me, mention Phyllis name and his podcast and I'll give you 15 minutes complimentary as well.

I love that. Look at that. Listeners, you're getting free consultation free advice from the business strategist herself. Seyran I thank you again for being here. It was an amazing chance to speak with you and I had an amazing conversation. The gems you dropped were on point. So thank you again for being here.

Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. My pleasure.

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