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The Inclusion Bites Podcast
Men Beyond Survival
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Tom Gold
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Joanne Lockwood
Tom Gold, a bushcraft instructor and life coach, explores how outdoor adventures build men's mental fitness beyond superficial wellness. Sharing personal stories and practical insights, he highlights the importance of risk, trust, and nature in fostering growth, resilience, and meaningful connections between fathers and children.
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“And my old man had this idea of forming a group with the boys and the dads in the summer holidays. And it was called the UDF Club, which stood for Utterly devoid of fear, which was something that came out of, I discovered later, the Eagle comic, long since defunct, which dad had read as a boy.”
“the idea of the, you know, weekend or Saturday morning adventure, I think it's still eminently doable... it builds really, really powerful memories that you carry forward with you.”
“And I think kids just need to have that outdoor experience where they are closer to the edge and not cocooned a little bit and that helps them grow.”
“If you've never sort of felt your knees shaking as you sort of crawl across a very narrow object that's very high up then. Yeah, I think it's going to be a lot harder to make those judgement calls later.”
“The Value of Fear in Learning "And I think that squeaky bum time is a learning opportunity because we don't learn without making mistakes or without having a reflection on something without looking back on it.”
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Welcome to Inclusion Bites, your sanctuary for bold conversations that spark change.
I'm Joanne Lockwood, your guide on this.
Journey of exploration into the heart of inclusion, belonging and societal transformation. Ever wondered what it truly takes to create a world without? Remember, everyone not only belongs, but thrives. You're not alone. Join me as we uncover the unseen, challenge the status quo and share stories that resonate deep within. Ready to dive in. Whether you're sipping your morning coffee or winding down after a long day, let's connect, reflect and inspire action together. Don't forget, you can be part of the conversation too. Reach out to jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk to share your insights or to join me on the show.
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And today is episode 205 with the title Men Beyond Survival. I have the absolute honour and privilege to welcome Tom Gold. Tom is a Bushcraft instructor and life coach who helps men build real mental fitness in the outdoors, in the bar, beyond performative well being Talk. When I asked Tom to describe his superpower, he said that it is resetting in nature. One night out with a tarp, a notebook and sleeping bag and then coming back a new man. Hello, Tom, welcome to the show.
Jo, thanks very much for having me on the show. And by the way, belated congratulations on 205 episodes. You've just passed your double century. That's brilliant.
Yeah, it's been a real achievement going since 2005. 2020, sorry, five coming up for six years ago. This was started pre Covid. Yeah, I've had a number of guests from all over the world. It's been fascinating and. And yourself, you know, very diverse guests from different or from different perspective. Different. Different.
Different areas. And yeah, I'm really looking forward to this conversation. So thank you, Tom. For those of you who listen to this and not watching, Tom is wearing a beanie and a jumper and he's happened to mention that he's in the middle of nowhere in some part of Scotland. So, Tom, where are you at the moment?
Yeah, it's. It's a rural area just north of Glasgow. Little village called Balfron. I can see the Campsie Fells out of my window. They're a bit fogged in today. There's no snow up there. It's a very, very beautiful place. I'm extremely lucky, to be honest, Jo.
And, yeah, this was my choice to. To live out here. I can walk out of my Door and be in forest, woodland, hills in no time flat. And that works. Works pretty good for me, definitely.
So you, you work in the outdoors. So you're a bushcraft instructor, life coach. Did the where you live influence what you do or does what you do influence where you live?
I was pretty heavily influenced by my dad growing up. He had a still does. I still have him. He's still around. A really impressive range of skills. My dad can navigate by the stars, he can find wild edibles in their hedgerows, he could light a fire with all sorts of very primitive methodologies. And as a small kid growing up in Northamptonshire, which is where we were, there were always adventures. We were having bonfires, we were building dens, camps, doing crazy, dangerous things.
We abseiled the local quarry on some ropes that dad had found at the dump. We paddled our leaky old inflatable dinghy down the longest canal tunnel in Britain. Yeah, there were great adventures growing up. I mean, you know, we were only little and it all felt pretty real and exciting and yeah, if there's one, I did, if you want to know where it started, it started with him, really. Fair play to him.
And this is all seek forgiveness rather than ask for, ask for permission. So you're just doing this and getting on with it and if someone chased you away, you just run away and go back another day.
Well, in the summer holidays, which could seem quite long, I was lucky. I grew up in a little village and there were a lot of other boys. And my old man had this idea of forming a group with the boys and the dads in the summer holidays. And it was called the UDF Club, which stood for Utterly devoid of fear, which was something that came out of, I discovered later, the Eagle comic, long since defunct, which dad had read as a boy. So only people who were utterly devoid of fear could deal in on these adventures. And it would always end up with a picnic somewhere, but would involve some death defying health and safety vortex of a adventure. And I look back on all those times just with great fondness and happiness. And it formed a kind of blueprint for when it was my turn to be a dad, you know, I mean, moving forward a few years, you know, I gave a few more nods to health and safety than my father did.
But I think looking back on that, for all the jokes he made about our slim chances of success and almost certain doom, dad never took his eye off the ball, you know, I always knew that if it came to the crunch, he'd bring us through it sometimes it was a close run thing, but I learned a lot about trust that way as well. I knew what it was to trust someone and I learned early in life what it took to, to elicit that in other people, what you needed to do. So yes, it was, yeah, it was, you know, it was a happy childhood and it's influenced a lot of what's happened in later years. Definitely.
Do we do enough of that in the modern world? I mean, having everything you're saying there and the way you learned those skills from your father and you'll pass them on to your, I guess, your sons and your children and the work you do now, are we living too much behind computer screens in houses and we're not getting out there and taking risks and challenging ourselves physically and mentally in that way?
Yeah, I think, you know, your listeners and viewers will be expecting the crusty looking old guy with a white beard and woollen hat to have some very clear views on that. And yeah, I do think there's still tremendous value in it. It can be tempered with health and safety. But the idea of the, you know, weekend or Saturday morning adventure, I think it's still eminently doable. I mean, a lot of the work that I've done in the past and continue to do with young people and with some, what seemed to me very young dads is empowering them with the skills to, you know, to say, right, here's what we're doing this weekend, you know, we're going to make a wee fire out here, we'll toast some marshmallows, maybe we'll find some animal tracks, whatever. And then, you know, what if the rest of the weekend is spent with everyone on their screens? It's still a win, it's still a win for the team and it builds really, really powerful memories that you carry forward with you. I mean, ask me how I know that into later life. One of the, I think it is the most like, pleasing bit of feedback I ever got was from a young man who'd been in a drugs and alcohol recovery group.
He'd had his, his difficulties and challenges, that's for certain. He hadn't had any unsupervised time with his five year old son in three years, which was shocking because to me he seemed like a young guy. Anyway, as part of the session that we were doing larger group, we ended up making pizzas on the campfire. It just turned out that's what we were doing. And he wrote to me a week later because he'd had his first unsupervised visit with his son and he said, this weekend we went out and we made pizzas on the fire and I just thought, that's fantastic. He will, the little guy will remember that for a long time that dad showed up with all the goods and the two of them had a fantastic first day out. I couldn't have been happier for this guy, you know, it was well done to him. Yeah, I still think about that now.
It was a couple of years back, but yeah, well done to the brother. I sincerely hope things continue to work out for him.
Children, in my view, definitely need mum time and dad time. They're different sorts of experiences. And we hear the jokes that dad will bring you back filthy and mum will bring you back sort of clean and things like this. But I look at the way some of the things my children remember, they remember a time with me when they were younger going camping not alone but in a group with other, other kids and their, and their male figure in their life and they remember those times and you bring them back alive and filthy and they've had a real whale of a time. And I think kids just need to have that outdoor experience where they are closer to the edge and not cocooned a little bit and that helps them grow.
Yeah, I think with find out a lot that, that way. I remember the dilemma I had when I found out my boys and their pals aged anywhere between 5 and, no, I think they're a little bit older than that. The little group aged between about 6 and 9 had been exploring a ruined castle that's all fenced off not far from here, which had involved climbing quite high, very high into some of the windows. I mean, the whole building was condemned. And yeah, it was a dilemma for me because on the one hand I felt that's exactly what they should be doing. They should be exploring these things and finding out what danger and a little bit of fear actually feels like. But on the flip side of the coin, yeah, the place could have tumbled down on them at any time. They were taking some appalling risks.
But this is, you know, in my view, how they develop some of those skills that will see them through later life. You know, they've got to know that difference between saying, yeah, I think, I think this is okay, and no, we should stop here and turn it around. If you've not experienced those things, it's a lot harder to make an informed judgement call on that. You know, if you've never sort of felt your knees shaking as you sort of crawl across a very narrow object that's very high up then. Yeah, I think it's going to be a lot harder to make those judgement calls later. That probably sounds spectacularly irresponsible, but yeah, what happened was myself and Jack and Nicholas, we had a long talk about it afterwards, about how safe they felt and did they think this was a good thing to do. You know, at the end of the day they'd gone out for an adventure, gone exploring with their friends. You know, I thoroughly approved.
Yeah, I'm with you again on this. And I think that squeaky bum time is a learning opportunity because we don't learn without making mistakes or without having a reflection on something without looking back on it. And I look at some of the things I've done, I've done static wires across courtyard in a castle in Poland and this was like 50 metres across. Okay. I was clipped on, I couldn't go anywhere. But when you get to that middle of the wire and the wire gap between the wire you're holding onto at the top and where you are stretches and you're then suddenly right the tips of your fingers trying to cross this, you need those moments to sort of appreciate that feeling that reality, don't you?
Yeah, they're moments of growth, I really believe that. And they can't really be experienced any other way. You know, I was saying that, you know, I took a very sort of kind of open minded view of some of the risks the boys were taking. But I do remember when I found out they were playing Call of Duty with their friends and I said that I didn't want that. I certainly didn't want it happening in our house because taking one look at this game, it basically trivialised death. Their great grandfather gave his life fighting for our country. He would have been horrified because this was actually, it was a version of the D day landings. I think I said your great grandfather was actually there.
He would turn in his grave to think that this had been turned into a game. So it wasn't the fact that it's quite gory and bloody, it was the fact that it really trivialised a sort of a moment that changed history. That, you know, so many like really tremendous, very brave men, you know, went across the Channel that day, their great granddad amongst them. And this was my objection to it. Just the trivialization of something so important. I said that as a recompense we could try in the little workshop I had in the garage to recreate some of the weapons and equipment that were featured in the game which my now ex wife was Furious about. But I didn't want them playing Call Of Duty. It just, you know, it didn't.
On a variety of levels, didn't sit right. Yeah, I get that.
Yeah. As you say, it's trivialising a. A really sad time, but also it trivialises what people sacrifice and. And what's going on at times, isn't it?
So no attaching a score to it.
Yeah.
You know, making it competitive. You know, this is how many people you. You killed.
Or you get killed yourself and you come back to life again straight away and it's. It's not reality. Is a. It's not reality. I guess maybe that desensitises people to knife crime and gun crime. You're so used to respawning when you get killed and then suddenly you walk in the streets with a knife or you're in gang violence and you're. Becomes more trivial because you're so used to being killed or killing.
Well, I do wonder. That's behind some of it. Scotland, where I live, has a long and very unhappy history of knife crime going back quite some years. I attended a session given by a youth outreach organisation in Glasgow about this sort of endemic knife crime in a part of the city called Easter House, which was absolutely chilling. A number of young men who were dying over nothing. Over nothing of any tangible value. They weren't even fighting over sort of drug territories or money or anything. Absolutely horrific.
Yeah. I mean, that's another storey. But these were boys in their teens with, you know, their whole lives in front of them and for. Yeah, reasons I still don't fully understand. You know, for some years there, it was absolute carnage. Some very brave people took it upon themselves to turn that around with this outreach programme. I don't think I've ever been more impressed by anything in my life because they could have just left. They could have just got to live someplace else.
Yeah, that was. Yeah, impressive. So that might be a bit of a tangent, Jo.
No, not at all. It's worth exploring that. One of the things we'll talk about before we click the record button is that you have struggling to come to terms with the fact that your. Your. Your boys, which we've been talking about, have now become men. What do you mean by that?
Yeah. I always wanted to be a dad. I'd always wanted to have sons as a first choice. I think I would have done a pretty good job if I'd had girls. But I feel exceptionally lucky. I had two fine, healthy little boys. They're 18 and 19 now, and based on the blueprint I got from my dad. We spent a lot of time doing, you know, crazy things.
We went on lots of adventures in our canoe in the. The lochs around here. We built dens, we lit fires, we camped out with their friends and it was. It was a lot of fun. Endless nonsense. And also that role of being their dad. You know, when their mum and I split up and I moved in here, the house was. It looked very, very sad.
It hadn't been lived in for a long time and it was nothing like the place they'd, you know, that their mum still had. And I said, our job here is to make this into the coolest house in the street. So, you know, that is our mission. So we're going to make furniture, we're going to redecorate, we're going to do a lot of this stuff. And it felt like a. Again, it felt like a bit of an adventure. We even had a long discussion about what we should call it. And we came up with the awesome House as its official name, which they're very embarrassed to be reminded about now in front of their friends.
And, yeah, they've both. They've both moved out, moved on. That is sad. You know, I have recollections of the, you know, crazy stuff we did and I realised that's a chapter that's now closed. How they turned right in front of my eyes into, you know, confident young men and now they're. They're running their own thing. And, yeah, that's been a little bit difficult sometimes. And I have to be very conscious, not when we're together, not to be constantly harking back to those times, which for them are now the sort of dim, distant past.
For me, they're some of the happiest moments of my life. And that can be a little bit difficult. And for reasons I'm still not absolutely sure about, I still worry about them a lot. You know, they don't need anyone to do that for them, but I still do. I try and keep the lid on it and, you know, I'm not, like, expressing that to them. So, yeah, it's been. It's been tough. You know, I'm still their dad.
My role has changed now. I'm there to sort of support and encourage and assist where I can, but the decisions, well, they're pretty much all theirs. That's really the way it's. It's got to be. But I even miss little things, like, you know, at 9:30 each night we'd have countdown to initiate Wi Fi. Shutdown where I'd pull the router and, like, take it to bed with me. And there'd be this, you know, big countdown or sort of pizza nights when we used to make our own pizzas or what they christened sad Chinese, which was when the Chinese takeaway, which we didn't use very often here, shut. And I said, well, hey, don't worry, I can do Chinese.
Anyway, it was christened sad Chinese because Dad had made it. Yeah, I miss those things a lot. But, you know, I got to remember that we did most of it in order to encourage them to be the independent men that they are now. So, yeah, this was the trade off. It's difficult. Some days it's difficult, but, you know, this is what I wanted. This is what we worked for. So, yeah, my youngest, Nicholas, got himself into a lot of trouble some years back, which, yeah, a tremendous amount of stress and worry for me.
I honestly didn't know if he was going to survive his teens or whether he'd actually end up doing time. And I think as dads were fitted with a can't quit switch. It's like a wiring problem that just doesn't let you walk away. You are stuck with it until you win or it ends. And that was hard because obviously I couldn't give up on Nicholas. But yeah, he put us through it and no mistake. Yeah, we're out the other side.
In the intro, I use the word performative. And we've talked about this in our briefing call before this and when we first got on before we press record. The challenge at the moment is men are being encouraged to speak up and have conversations and not be alone when they're suffering their mental health. And one of the things we talked about the other day when we did the briefing was the. The fact that not every man wants to speak and have a Kumbaya, sit around and share all their feelings all the time. And so how do we as a society engage with people who are very introspective and not big talkers or make assumptions that they're suffering, maybe they're not.
They can still be part of it even if they don't want to say anything. I've run a lot of men's groups, either like as actual men's groups or groups that turned out to be exclusively men. And you'll get a lot of guys who won't say anything, but, you know, they actually. They're in a good place because I run a lot of my sessions outdoors. You'll find some guys who just want to chop Wood or saw up timber and split it with an axe for sort of most of the session. Tender fire, etc. Just enjoy the space. And I'm totally okay with that.
They are part of the group. They're contributing towards it. You know, they're sitting in with us and they're listening. If they're not ready to speak, that's absolutely fine. They certainly given to understand that they're not on their own while they're part of this. And when that guy, after sort of three sessions, you know, of saying nothing, clears his throat to speak, you know, it's going to be important. And if you've done your job right. If I've done my job right, then, you know, we've created that atmosphere where they feel okay to do that.
And it's a funny thing that I've seen many times when somebody is brave enough to speak up and say, do you know what? I'm really struggling with this. Other people sitting around that same campfire will acknowledge it often in very subtle ways. It might be a sort of a clap on the shoulder. It might just be a nod, or they might just say, yeah, I get it, you know, or I'm dealing with the same thing. But I didn't want to say anything. So thank you for sharing. I think there's an understanding that we can't all fix it. You know, we can't fix this for each other.
But that sense of community can make a huge difference. You know, you're not the only person dealing with it. So, yeah, I think that pressure to talk more. I find it unhelpful at times. Men need to talk more. This is the message being pushed by DEI. And there aren't that many guys, men working in DEI. So I do sometimes wonder if, you know, people are just picking up on this popular trope, this comfortable, cartoonish image of a man who, you know, he can't cook.
He might take six weeks to put up a set of shelves and he doesn't talk about stuff. And I think pushing that image, that gives men permission to deal out, you know, because they can revert to this, hey, I'm not going to tell you, I'm a typical bloke. So I'm not going to engage with this for the same reason that I can't make a shepherd's pie without screwing the whole thing up or needing a tremendous fanfare to accompany it because they've. They've done this. It's a comfortable kind of vision. There was something in the news recently complaining about Peppa Pig. And Daddy Pig, who is this well meaning, useless buffoon who, you know, gets everything wrong in a domestic sense. And you know what, it's giving people permission.
And I don't know that it. I sometimes talk about a thing called the Man Code, which, you know, has a few very simple tenets, which is project outward strength at all times, tell everyone you're fine and keep the lid nailed down tight shut on all the sort of clamour in your head. And the reason that we still do this is, firstly, it's really, really easy. It's not difficult to follow the Man Code and it certainly isn't difficult to, you know, follow that popular trope of being a guy who doesn't talk about stuff and, you know, doesn't deal well emotionally. And it's been tremendously successful in the past. You look at some of the history's great men. They were, you know, often appear outwardly as very emotionally closed off people. History now tells us that a lot of them did have some sort of significant mental health problems going on.
And I think, you know, some of the sort of heroes of the Edwardian and Victorian era, if they were sort of more closely examined now, we'd find that they had, you know, a whole host of sort of mental illness issues going on. But the Man Code allowed them to navigate that and achieve greatness at the same time. And this is what we remember them for and this is, you know, in a way, why we use them. But it always makes me think when I read about these guys, and they do, because they love sort of true life adventure storeys, what else they could have achieved if they weren't dealing with all the sort of the demons in their head, if they weren't constantly suppressing those, if they had an outlet for them, if they were able to, you know, achieve a little bit more emotional coherence, sometimes called vulnerability. Not a word I'm particularly fond of, but there it is. And this is something that I like to, you know, present to, to some of the guys I work with now. You know, as they're thinking about what you can achieve or what your employees can achieve. You know, if they're not dealing with this, you know, a lot of them are already doing pretty well.
You've got to wonder how much better, how much better they could do. So, yeah, I think that's part of.
Your Bushcraft, your outdoors activities. Is this where you take people out into the. Into the wild and return them a bit to nature?
It's not really the wild, Jo. I mean, we're Extremely blessed here in Scotland in that, you know, our biggest cities are ringed at the very closest edge by beautiful scenery countryside, woodland hills. So escaping from the city is pretty easy. And finding places to bring a group together that doesn't involve a lot of travel, it's quite easy here. We also have some unique access to the outdoors, rights of access to the outdoors that make these things easier. The sort of focal point is a fire with a kettle hanging over it and a group of people sitting in a circle round it. And that is a meeting format. That's roughly, if you subtract the kettle, roughly 400.
That's when it's now believed the first early Neanderthals were deliberately creating fire as a sort of focal point. And we can see minor digression here. We often think of the discovery as fire as leading to cooked meat, which enhances the protein uptake and makes you more intelligent using fire to harden wooden weapons and later to create metal. The first real spin off benefit of that discovery was social because for the first time our ancient ancestors had a reason to come together when it was cold and it was dark. And that format, the fire, where people round it in a circle, is more or less identical to that. And I think somehow we have some sort of genetic memory for it, which is why I've never had to tell a group of people to form a circle around the fire. Everybody knows that bit. There will always come a point in that session where no one's saying anything and everyone's just looking inward at the fire.
It's a very captivating thing to look at, particularly as it gets dark and you watch the sparks twist up into the night. It's a great thing and it's worked for 400,000 years. So creating that environment, very, very straightforward. And it's a real pleasure to share the skills that go into doing it, because this is something I want them to take away and use. But it's also kind of an elemental format as well, and it encourages people to be more talkative. I've seen that many, many times. Guys who wouldn't speak up in a room with white walls, with all the chairs in a circle, can become a lot more thoughtful, philosophical and vocal in that environment. Maybe it just speaks to them, can't be absolutely certain, but I've just seen it work so many times, which is why I do like to use it.
It's not the most practical way of doing things. This is the format in which we're speaking now. But given the choice, Jo, we would have headed out into the woods. I'd have put up a tarp, we'd have hung the kettle over the fire, then we'd have talked completely.
I mean, I've spent many, many nights around a campfire, around a fire. And as you say, there's something really hypnotic about sparks. The embers, the flames dancing, the crackle, and that kind of innate instinct to just burn stuff. You know, it's. Everyone becomes a pyromaniac. Can we burn this? Will this burn? Wonder what happens if. What happens if I put a. An empty bottle of Heineken? Will the glass melt? Will the can catch fire? And should we just try a little bit of paraffin in there or maybe a little bit of diesel or petrol and see what happens? Or get the lighter fluid out and squirt it and see if we can make a jet of flame or something? Or the aerosol can comes out and we end up with the flames.
Yeah, but that.
It's.
It's that fascination with being outdoors and the fire and the flame and experimenting with that. That element, as you say.
Well, yeah, you are indulging in and sharing in something that our, you know, early Neanderthal ancestors did the same thing. They must have been similarly fascinated. You know, what can we burn next? Will this work? What happens if we do this? At some point, someone will have discovered that wafting air at the fire, using a, you know, a flat surface, will actually make it bigger. And, you know, they will have discovered the sort of properties of various natural resources. Some are going to burn real good, some are just gonna, you know, take you all night to make a fire with. And. Yeah, absolutely. You're seeing that exact same fascination, experimentation and, you know, sometimes just joyfulness that comes with that is priceless.
We're experiencing something that. And this is why I think it's somehow it's in us. You know, maybe on a sort of genetic level, it's passed on this fascination for it.
I think it's the same reason.
Warmth, social.
It's safety, it's light, it generates so many things at a very basic level, isn't it? And as you're talking, I'm remembering a holiday that I went on with my family and a friend's family. So there was four of us. Four of them. We had a cottage in. I think it was Majorca, and it had a bit of farmland around it, a bit of waste ground. Adjacent to the building was an outdoor barbecue, which was a brick built with a roof and it had a chimney at the top of it. And I remember we we were left, my friend and I, we were left alone with the kids that night whilst our partners went off into town and for their night out and we started cooking on this barbecue. And then all of a sudden we just wanted.
It started going out, so we wanted to burn something else. We were out at Coles and we found all these bits of wood in this, in this waste ground around the property and we kept bundling things on and bundling things on. Eventually we got this real roaring fire going in this barbecue area and we got to the point where flames are coming out of the top of the chimney. And we were really pleased with ourselves that we'd managed to get the fire really, really roaring up there. And then we started reflecting. Let's hope the chimney doesn't catch fire. And I think the only thing that really stopped us was we ran out of wood, we ran out of combustible material and we, we were. I think if we'd have drunk a bit more, we would have seriously gone inside and maybe dismantle the dining room table if we were that.
That keen to burn something else. But it was, it's a. And I. I've been on a number of camping trips and, and barbecues and away weekends where that, that draw and I think, as you say, it's the. That real elemental primaeval draw for light safety, protection and cooking and all these sort of things come together. And this fire is something we need to tame.
Absolutely. And to be able to pass on the really relatively straightforward technical processes that it takes to create it out of nothing, even if you were just out in the woods, is, you know, one of the most pleasurable parts of what I do is seeing people go away thinking, wow, you know, I could do this at the weekend, you know, with, with the girlfriend, with the kids, with whoever, maybe just on my own, you know, I can find a little bit of space out there away from everybody and I can just, you know, be alone with, with my thoughts. A lot of the work I do is with people. Their recovery journeys from drugs and alcohol and the ability to create a warm, dry outdoor space out of some very, very ordinary, cheap items gives them another place to go when it gets difficult. That isn't, I don't know, the betting shop, their ex wife's place or the pub. You know, it's empowering them with this, you know, knowledge and this idea that, wait a minute, I can take myself away from all of this if I want to. There is a place I can go. And it feels so suitably, suitably manly.
You know, because the majority of people, certainly here in Scotland who, you know, find their way into these programmes are men. And it's been an absolute pleasure to share the campfire with so many of them now. I find them just the best company, perhaps, you know, one of the things that makes them unique is people who are recovering from sort of drugs and alcohol addiction are fantastic at looking after each other. It's something they do better than any other group that I've worked with together. They're unbeatable and very, very strong. And being in their company while they support one another is quite a powerful thing, actually. Yeah. Been a great pleasure many times, empowering them with that knowledge and that understanding that, absolutely goddamn right you can do this.
And it's a huge win as well, if you make that work, you know, especially for a group of other people. Well, you're a flipping hero, you know. Oh, wow, well done. Or to be able to say, look, don't worry, I got this, I'll fix it. I can make us a fire, no problem, and then we'll stay warm, you know, for as long as we want to be out here. That's great. You know, you go home as the guy who did, and if it's been a long time or a while since you last had a win or you had people saying, well done, thank you, then that's huge, you know, hopefully makes people think about other areas of their life where they can show up, you know, similarly, do we.
It's a problem sometimes is when. When we're. When we're getting into these conversations, do we want to try and fix the people we're talking to? And I hear a lot of time where it's really hard to just talk without somebody trying to cure you or give you a solution.
Absolutely.
Is that why people don't want to talk? Because they don't need fixing, they just want someone to listen to them sometimes.
I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, going back to when my youngest was getting into a lot of trouble, it was causing me a tremendous amount of stress, is putting a big strain on my relationship. And I had a lot of people in the end, you know, I was very careful about who I told about this because people were very close to me. Friends were saying, well, here's what you need to do, or this is what I do in your shoes, or what I think you need to do is. Or I wouldn't put up with that. And none of it was helpful, Absolutely none of it. But this is kind of a blokeish way of addressing another man's problems, to offer comparison and advice. We can do a lot more by active listening, you know, perhaps an acceptance that you can't fix this straight away, but you can show up for that other guy.
Because just physically showing up for me is 90% of it. You know, go to see that guy who's struggling, you don't have the answers, but he knows you showed up and it counts for a tremendous amount, you know, trying to. Trying to understand the problem rather than constant sort of advice and sort of comparison, which, you know, I found extremely unhelpful at a time when I was already very stressed out. But, yeah, I mean, that's a fantastic point you make, and I don't know if you'd agree, but I think that's a sort of typically blokeish way of trying to help another man, is by, you know, advice as if it was a blocked sink trap or, you know, a faulty carburetor or whatever, or a radiator that needed bleeding or something. It's not always the same. I appreciated the support, but I couldn't make use of any of it, really.
Yeah, because we joke about mansplaining, you know, men explaining things to women, but men explain things to other men. It's not just. It's almost like an ingrained habit or way men are brought up in order to know what they're talking about, be in control, having an answer for everything, being the protector, being the provider and that pressure. So almost like you feel like you have to have an answer. If someone's coming to you saying, I've got a problem, I can fix it for you. And it's not just men's men to women, as I say, it's men wanting to show that they have a capability and a value in this world.
Absolutely. I remember it wasn't long after I moved in here, I just split up with the boys. Mum. My life was in an absolute turmoil. This place just looked terrible. It hadn't been lived in for a long time. I had the boys round that weekend and my dad and his partner decided to visit to help out. Well, gosh, it was difficult and I thought, now I've got to keep them occupied as well.
So I said, right, we're going to build a boot bench for the hall and long storey short. My stuff was in such a mess, I couldn't find any of the things that I was looking for and I was trying to keep everybody occupied and happy and I was just. I was in a very, very sort of precarious state myself at the time. And I went into the garage to look for some screws, which I couldn't find because it was just piled up with boxes. And for the first time in my life, I just sat down on the stool in the corner and I just didn't know what to do next. For the first time ever, just couldn't think of anything. The next step had just completely eluded me. Everyone was probably wondering where it was gone.
I don't even know how long I'd been there when my dad came in and found me. And he didn't have any words. He just put his hand on my shoulder. That was it. And that's, you know, that's showing up. He couldn't fix this for me. He'd come to help, and I really appreciated it, but actually, his, you know, assistance was. Yeah, but, yeah, he just came and stood next to me.
Just put my hand. His hand on my shoulder. You know what? I got it. I got it. Thanks, dad. You know, let's get back to it. I'll find the screws.
That knowing silence isn't it. That is that just knowing that you know that I know that you know that I know. We don't need to say anything about this.
It's just absolutely. Yeah, you know what? I've probably. We've never talked about that since. I should probably tell him sometime soon how very much I appreciated it was. You know, I was able to take a breath. I knew he had my back. We both know he couldn't fix it all. But, yeah, it was okay.
I said, thanks, dad. Yeah, well, we'll find the screws. They're in here somewhere. And we got on with it. He's not an especially emotionally coherent man. He lost his father in the war. He was told very early in life that he had to be a brave little soldier and, you know, crack on and stuff like, you know, so many men of his generation. So I knew, you know, I knew what to expect from him and what not to expect on a sort of supportive level.
And, yeah, he showed up in a fantastic way. You know, I think sometimes it's tempting to see people see the way men support one another as being very poor. They're being a great poverty in the way that we do that. But I've seen many times, not just my own experience, those small gestures, they just say, I see you. You know, I get it. I'm here. That's about it. But to me, that's like 90% of it.
There is a fascinating video you might remember this show show, roughly 80s. This Is Your Life with Eamonn Andrews. Every week he would surprise some celebrity and then they'd come into the studio and they would bring people from their past in to talk to them. One time they did wartime fighter ace Douglas Bader, a man who was very emotional. Tin legs, yes, both his legs in a flying accident before the war, then went on to be this tremendous hero. You know, he was a sort of cold, you know, emotionless. Appeared to be a cold, emotionless sort of fighting man, you know, who just had his, his job to do and stuff and yada yada. But they brought in members of his old squadron and it's worth looking it up because it is on YouTube. The way they greet each other.
These aren't emotionally coherent men at all. They're almost cartoonish by today's standards in their inability to discuss their feelings because it was something that they never did. But if you watch the video, you can find it easily enough. The way they greet one another is massively significant. They shake hands, they incline their heads towards one another and there's an arm clasp on the other hand. And to me it's conveying a great depth of understanding and closeness. They'd shared horrendous times together, they didn't hug each other, they weren't those sort of men. And there wasn't any sort of gushing, tearful, God, it's so good to see you.
None of that was present. But for someone who, I don't know knows what to look for, or for someone who believes that men don't communicate with each other very well, watch that. It's. You can almost feel it, you know, there's such a depth of emotion in there. Yeah, it's special. Very, very interesting. To me, I found that interesting and it speaks to the way men will often support one another in that showing up, you know, clap on the shoulder, I'm here, mate. Yeah, maybe not me, not maybe not many words being exchanged.
Is it important, I don't know. To know that people have your back is important.
So, yeah, I mean, for your viewers.
If they want to look that up, they'll find it.
Well, I reflect on sort of the two halves of my life, you know, the male dominated life and now the female dominated life post gender transition and the conversations amongst in all male groups and the competition is in all female groups, you can tell the difference. There's a complete polar opposite. And women groups I'm part of will often talk about the feelings, the challenges they want to sort of share and support each other. Whereas the male groups I've been tend to talk about stuff, you know, football or car or what they're doing here and there and it's more, more of a nod and a yep, yep, yep. And it's, it's, there's less emotional giving in male conversations and I really see the polar difference. I find it personally much easier to be in female conversations where there are emotions being shared and there isn't more depth. And I find sometimes going back to my spending time with my male friends, I come away feeling unsatisfied because it's been very transactional, very. It's been okay, but there's been no emotional sharing.
And yeah, there's definitely, you know, without going to stereotypes, there's a definite difference, which is why I'm a strong believer that you do need male only groups and female only groups to better communicate in the way that makes sense for that group. As soon as you mix the two groups together, conversation changes again. It ends up in the middle.
Everything changes. Yeah, men's group is kind of a, it's a subtle, fragile thing. Yeah, absolutely concur. Jo can be very transactional, you know, without the emotional content. Unless it's people talking about stuff that angry about. That's usually quite sort of. Yes, you'll probably hear that. But yeah, on the other levels, yeah, not so much.
But I do believe that, you know, that sense of community, getting that right, making that happen first, I do believe that's the greater part of it and it's what so many men are missing. The stats tell us that, you know, our dads had a lot more close male friends than we do in this generation. And that's, you know, numbers only getting smaller. The number of men who actually say they've got close friends in the first place. You know, I can't remember them all here, the stats, but it's, it's not great. And it's, it's, it's, it's still dwindling. So being able to create that space is difficult, but it's very, very, very important. And there's always a fear, I think, amongst men that they're going to be asked to do odd stuff like gongs, robes, role play or group hugs or if it's a men's group and there are groups that, yeah, a lot like that.
But you know, for me it's a lot more straightforward than that. You know, an inspiring setting, a group of guys, something to actually do physically, you know, even if it's, you know, just taking down the timber to make that fire. And these can be priceless times. Fascinating. Yeah. There's perhaps not a sort of, you know, a great depth of emotional content, but it's community at the same time. It's just so important, he said there.
That men feel passion when they tend to be angry about. Are we seeing a rise in male disenfranchisation from the norm? If you like. We see patriotism with flags and roundabout painting. St. George's Cross. People get behind that, maybe borne out the fact that it's hard to be proud to be English. You can be proud to be Scottish, you can be proud to be Welsh, you can be proud to be Irish, but can you be proud to be English? Unless you're supporting a football team, but in the general run, and then you're seeing people who have a flag they can wave because they're queer. What can a white man wave? People have Ukrainian flags and Palestinian flags, but you can't have this, you can't have that.
And you see the rise of the incel movement and that's showing that men feel disempowered or emancipated using their masculinity. Is that what's going on in the world at the moment?
Yeah. Try to answer that on a few levels, Jo. Firstly, yeah, the. The flags thing's been massively divisive. And Whilst, yeah, that St. George's Cross can be a very divisive emblem, here in Scotland we have the saltire or the St. Andrew's Cross, but you can go through parts of Glasgow and see them flying on every lamppost. And they're there for the same reasons that, you know, we're seeing painted roundabouts and stuff in England.
It's just that in Scotland, the Union Jack or the St. George's Cross has sort of political connotations that speak to the sort of Protestant Catholic divide that exists in certain parts of Scotland in a very, very clearly divided way. So they choose the saltire as a sort of symbol that unites, if you like. Yeah. I can remember furious rows online, which I tried to stay out of. Following the Unite the Kingdom maps, there were pictures of young guys draped in flags and they'd stopped at street vendor stand, who was still in falafel and samosas, and people were saying, oh, have they even noticed the irony? They were on their way back from the cricket, nobody would have turned a hair. Is it somehow ironic that they weren't eating chips? That the assumption that because they're wearing the St. St. George's Cross, they should be so overtly racist as to not even wish to eat anything made by a person of foreign descent or food that, you know, originates in another culture. I've never heard anything so utterly ridiculous.
You know, the headline guy stops for something to eat on the way home from a. A match. You know, it's about all it was, but it's. It's difficult. I mean, perhaps we can, you know, Both remember the 2012 Olympics. The Union Jack was flying everywhere and it was like we had our flag back. We were united. Very, very proud of the fantastic job our athletes were doing because they were leading the field in the medals table for quite a while.
What a great time that was. And, yeah, you know, it's like we had the flag back now it belonged to everybody. We could unite under it. I can't remember that, you know, since now. Yes, a big problem. Yeah, it's sad. You know, you want to talk about the Union Jack, you know, fascism was defeated by men who marched under that flag. Now they're Nazis.
You know, I mentioned earlier my great grandfather, he would turn in his grave as well at the thought that, you know, after giving his life fighting the Nazis, you know, they had now been reinvented as the sort of the bogeyman in the country he was fighting for. It's sad. The flags, then men have an identity to gather under. No, I suppose not, actually. Tricky. I went to a diversity event in Edinburgh just a couple of weeks ago, and out of 45 people, I was one of three men in the room. You know, if we're not part of the conversation, we're not likely to reap too many of the benefits either. That's going to be tricky.
It's interesting you say that, and I'm well aware that most of the conversations I have for people tend to be women and people who are not white. So maybe you get black men or brown men in the room. It's very hard to engage the average typical white man in conversations because. I don't know, because maybe you have an inkling, but it seems to be that the conversations aren't relevant to them. They're not brown, they're not black, they're not this, they're not that. And all the initiatives in D and I seem to be promoting women, promoting black people, promoting queer people, whatever it may be. Who's there fighting for the white man? Is that the problem, that people go, well, can't be for me then, can it?
Yeah, perhaps part of the problem is that the white man is always, by definition, fine, obviously, even though, you know, he's coming home to teenage children who no longer speak to him or a menopausal wife who he doesn't fully understand. He's under enormous pressure at work, but he can't say anything about that because he needs to show up as a competent, capable team member and he doesn't have as many friends as he used to. Yeah, really difficult. You know, if you put all those characteristics together, you think, yeah, this is probably someone who needs some, some help.
And he's being told that he needs to be an ally to everybody.
Absolutely, yeah. What if you're not actually in a position to support other people right now? This assumption that part of your role now is to help dress address a gender imbalance in this business, in this company, whatever, by mentoring women so that they can be better represented on the top floor. Yeah. What if that guy isn't okay himself? What if he's struggling? Yeah, that's tough. But it would be a brave man to put his hand up and say, do you know what? I don't want anything to do with this. That's going to end badly. Been hearing more and more recently about the modern workplace's unreadiness for the influx of sort of non politically aligned but right wing leaning young men who are leaving school, who are in university and who will be beating a path to a workplace that is not ready for them, one that's geared to every other group but them. I think we're going to see some, yeah, some interesting, what would you call.
It, exchanges just in collision ideology, frank conversations.
I think they need to be, to be wise to this. A lot of the young men that I meet and work with do have, you know, non political right wing views. They have so little faith in sort of politics. Perhaps they inherited it from their parents that they're not actual party politics doesn't interest them, but, you know, highly charged political issues do. And we're seeing this, this is why.
We're seeing people like Andrew Tate, the Incel movement, the United Kingdom, Tommy Robinson, these kind of figures that are giving people that belonging, people that are listening to their voices and saying, yeah, and I see myself represented. And that's even though maybe not politically aligned, but they are emotionally connected to these messages, aren't they?
They are. And I think, yeah, I see a lot of this. Just not far from here in Falkirk is the clad hand. It's asylum seekers hotel. It's been the focus of a whole series of increasingly angry demonstrations recently. And a lot of angry young white men my son's age involved in It. Somebody is speaking to them, someone's saying, look, we need you. You're included.
That's worrying. I think the Andrew Tate thing, he is offering something else. As I see it. I watched quite a lot of his content because my youngest son got very interested in Andrew Tate. So I thought, well, I'll try and understand who this guy is so we can have those conversations. People think that he's selling sexism, misogyny and just this really unpalatable version of a man. But I think what he's actually selling is freedom. If you make enough money, if you get yourself to a certain level, you can do and say exactly what you want.
And he's done embodies that in everything he says and does. I think it goes way beyond the, yeah, you know, your woman's there to cook you a steak. It's. It's. I don't know, it's beyond that. It's getting to do and say exactly what you want. And this is exactly what he does. Yeah.
You don't hear so much from him nowadays, but it's an absolutely fascinating guy. You can see the appeal. He's offering a blueprint. You know, here's the steps, guys. It won't be easy. In fact, it's going to be really difficult. It's going to cost you a lot in terms of relationships, friendships. But, you know, the reward is.
Is this, you know, a guy who can.
Yeah, you need to be an alpha male. You need to behave like this, act like this and you will get what? What, Whatever you want.
Yeah. You will be untouchable. It's compelling, highly compelling. But I think a lot of people only take what he's saying at face value. They hear the sort of. The snippets, the sort of. So people. Few people know what a misogynist is.
It's a word that's got a lot more currency thanks to him. I mean, I'm not in any way excusing some of the things he's said, but I think he's offering a lot more than sexism and a return to sort of 70s and 80s male values. He's taken those on board and run with them to produce something. Yeah. Much more compelling and valuable. I mean, let's face it, I was.
Saying that if he is selling something that people are buying, they're buying it for a reason. They're disenfranchised with the status quo, with whatever's out there. So it's understanding why they're buying his brand. To understand where in society we need to Reconnect and understand what we're missing. And I think that's what we've been doing. Too busy focusing on maybe this DEI. Everyone's welcome, but forgetting about the people we're leaving behind who don't think it's for them, and no one is talking directly to them. And that's what we're doing here.
The Andrew Tate characters, people who have these Tommy Robinson views, they're speaking to these people. Even Trump in the. In the US is speaking to a group of people who feel they're not being connected with. In the other view. Yeah, that's the challenge we've got to try and address.
Yeah.
And then.
And again. Yeah. We have to remember that this is a client group that's, you know, traditionally quite difficult to reach. I mean, ask me how I know that. The idea that, you know, you're not. Fine, it's not, you know, it's not a natural state for sort of men of a certain age who were raised in a. A certain way. You know, it's.
It's the man code. It's so easy to follow and it's so deeply hardwired. And it works. You know, you can get through. You can do more than get through. You can really succeed in life by following it. I mean, the fallout, the people around you and for yourself, can be fairly sort of catastrophic, but you can. You can achieve that way.
But, yeah, I mean, I always come back to, you know, what more could achieve if you were a little. If you could stay strong and find peace at the same time. Is it too much to ask for both? It's a big part of what I try to help people with. I mean, I can mention this now, Joanne, because it would have passed by the time this show is aired, but in January, I'm putting together a men's retreat right here in Scotland. We've got the Rowardennan Lodge. Beautiful place on the shore of the East Loch Lomond. It's very, very peaceful. We're going to climb Ben Lomond.
We're going to swim in the loch. We're going to chop wood and make fire. We're going to cook on it. We're going to do a walk with burning torches, which will be fun, and we may even on one of the evenings, sit down and watch a good old Arnie movie. Because I'm really interested to hear what people reflect on this now, you know, all these years later. But on another level, for guys, when was the last time they watched a, you know, one of those unbelievably foolish movies with a few beers and some other guys. So it will be about community, first and foremost. I'm really looking forward to it, actually.
Conan the Destroyer or something, One of those little old Arnie films.
Yeah, I think I might have to go with Predator, which was like a real classic because it's just so unbelievably silly, but so much fun to watch because it's the collision of these alpha male ego types all at the same time against this deadly creature out in the jungle with loads of guns. I mean, yeah, it's actually something I'm looking forward to doing. I loved those movies as a young guy, so the chance to watch one with some of the guys, obviously we'll be doing some constructive stuff. I just thought I was going to throw that one in there just for just.
Yeah, so even though. Even though by the time it's broadcast that would have passed, you're. You're going to be planning others in the future, so it's a good excuse for people to get hold of you. So how can people connect with Tom?
Yeah, thank you for asking, Jo. I'm pretty easy to find on LinkedIn. I post there quite regularly on some of the subjects we've been looking at today. You can also find me at BeyondtheMancave.co.uk a website or Instagram of the same name where I post workout and outdoor videos. All pretty wholesome, honest stuff. Nothing dodgy in there at all.
Bear Grill survival stuff, is it?
Yeah, there's a. There's a little bit of that because I want people to understand how straightforward these things are, how easy they are to do and how ultimately rewarding they are when you go out there and share them. The outdoors will reduce your heart rate, blood pressure. You'll become more creative, thoughtful. You'll get more oxygen in your lungs, which makes your brain work better. It's why we feel better when we go out there. If you can make that experience comfortable at the same time, that's kind of what Bushcraft is, then you're going to be able to stay for longer and it will mean more. And if you can share that with other people at the same time, if you can be the one that takes care of them, well, it makes you a little bit of a hero too, for what that's worth.
Yeah, I still think that's important.
Tom, we've had a fascinating conversation. This has been amazing. And if you're listening in, do make contact with Tom, Check him out on LinkedIn. I've been following Connecting with Tom for a little while now and that's probably how we really got engaged in this episode. Just saw Tom post a few things and I said, tom, let's come and talk about this. That's why you're here.
So brilliant.
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much.
Well, Jo, can I thank you enough for having me on the show today? Really appreciate and I look forward to seeing it in a few months time. Well, by the time I'm saying this, it will be that time.
Thank you.
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Joanne Lockwood is on an inspiring journey of exploration at the heart of inclusion, belonging, and societal transformation. Driven by a vision for a world where everyone is not only included but truly thrives, Joanne challenges the status quo and uncovers the unseen stories that shape our understanding of community. With a deep commitment to connecting with others, she invites people from all walks of life to reflect, share, and inspire real change together. Whether it’s over a morning coffee or at the close of a long day, Joanne encourages everyone to be part of the conversation and is always eager to listen to new insights or welcome guests onto her show. To join the journey, reach out to joe.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk.
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Joanne Lockwood is a passionate advocate for inclusion and belonging, dedicated to driving meaningful societal change. Her journey is one of exploration—delving into what it truly means to create a world where everyone not only belongs, but thrives. Through storytelling, Joanne challenges the status quo and brings often-unseen perspectives to light, fostering connections and inspiring others to reflect and take action. Whether over a morning coffee or at the close of a long day, she invites individuals from all walks of life to join the conversation, share their experiences, and be part of the movement towards a more inclusive world. Joanne can be reached at joe.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk for those who wish to add their voice or join her on her show.
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Joanne Lockwood is a passionate advocate and explorer at the forefront of inclusion, belonging, and societal transformation. Her journey is dedicated to challenging the status quo and uncovering the unseen stories that shape our world. Joanne believes genuine progress is made when everyone not only feels they belong, but thrives. Through her work, she invites others to connect, reflect, and inspire action—encouraging open conversation and shared insights. Whether you’re starting your day or unwinding at night, Joanne welcomes you to join her in creating a more inclusive world. To share your story or become part of the dialogue, reach out to joe.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk.
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Growing up in a small village, Tom Gold spent his summer holidays in the company of local boys, under the watchful yet adventurous eye of his father. Inspired by his dad’s childhood memories of the Eagle comic, Tom’s father created the UDF Club—Utterly Devoid of Fear—bringing together fathers and sons for daring escapades. Their adventures, always ending with a picnic, were imaginative, slightly hazardous, and utterly joyous, leaving Tom with cherished memories of friendship and fun. These formative summers became the blueprint for Tom’s own fatherhood, though he admits to tempering the excitement with a little more attention to health and safety than the original UDF ever did.
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Navigating Modern Masculinity: Rediscovering Community, Strength, and Belonging in Men’s Lives
Beyond Survival: Exploring Emotional Resilience and Brotherhood in Today’s Men
From Bushcraft to Brotherhood: Reclaiming Men’s Mental Fitness and Outdoor Connections
Tackling the Man Code: Men’s Wellbeing Beyond Stereotypes and Performative Conversations
Building Real Bonds: Outdoor Adventures and Honest Talk for Male Wellbeing
Fire, Friendship, and Finding Meaning: Men Beyond Survival in a Digital World
Modern Male Connections: Challenging Loneliness and Embracing the Power of Community
Rethinking Male Wellbeing: Nature, Inclusion, and the Art of Showing Up
Redefining Strength: What Men Need to Thrive in Today’s Changing Society
Beyond the Campfire: Rebuilding Men’s Community and Challenging Outdated Masculine Norms
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Tom Gold explores the complexities of modern masculinity, the importance of outdoor connection, and the subtle yet profound ways men can support each other and find belonging beyond performative expectations.
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Men’s Mental Health, Male Identity, Bushcraft Therapy, Outdoor Wellbeing, Intergenerational Learning, Emotional Resilience, Inclusive Conversations, Male Vulnerability, Community Support, Societal Change
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In this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood explores the complex landscape of men’s wellbeing and identity with Tom Gold, a bushcraft instructor and life coach. The conversation moves beyond the stereotypes often associated with men—challenging the “man code” and scrutinising the societal expectation that men should always be outwardly strong while keeping inner struggles hidden. Joanne and Tom discuss how nature, risk-taking, and community can catalyse real growth, and why providing spaces where men can simply “be” without the pressure to share or fix is vital in today’s world.
Tom Gold has spent a lifetime immersed in the outdoors, drawing early inspiration from his adventurous childhood with his father. Now based in rural Scotland, Tom works with men of all backgrounds, especially those in recovery, helping them reconnect with their innate resilience through practical wilderness skills. His approach goes beyond performative conversation, focusing on creating experiences where men can gain confidence, purpose, and—crucially—belonging, whether through splitting wood, making campfires, or simply being present around the flames. His work highlights the importance of practical empowerment and community for men who may feel sidelined by modern conversations around inclusion.
Joanne and Tom candidly address the shifting dynamics of masculinity, the loneliness some men experience, and the risk that mainstream diversity and inclusion work can leave certain groups behind. The episode delves into how the lack of meaningful male community, combined with performative dialogues about emotion, can drive young men towards unhealthy influences or negative group identities. Joanne raises the reality that men don’t always want to talk but still crave a sense of group solidarity and support, to which Tom’s bushcraft-based approach offers a refreshingly inclusive solution.
A key takeaway from this episode is that fostering belonging among men requires understanding, not stereotypes. By creating honest, practical, and inclusive spaces—rather than pushing only for open sharing—everyone can contribute to a more supportive and integrated society. Tune in to gain new perspectives on vulnerability, identity, and how real inclusion means ensuring no one feels left out of the conversation.
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00:00 The section discusses an exploration into inclusion and societal change, encouraging engagement and participation in a conversation on these topics, with an invitation to connect or contribute via email.
06:24 The speaker believes in the value of outdoor adventures for building lasting memories and empowering skills, especially in youth, despite modern distractions, and shares positive feedback from a young man in recovery who benefited from such experiences.
10:08 The text discusses the importance of developing decision-making skills through experiences that involve assessing safety and risk, illustrated by a conversation reflecting on an adventurous outing and the value of letting children explore with peers.
12:26 The speaker objected to a game that trivialised a significant historical moment involving brave soldiers, including their great-grandfather, and suggested recreating historical weapons and equipment as a form of compensation, despite objections from their ex-wife.
16:10 The group aimed to transform a neglected house into the coolest one on the street by redecorating and crafting furniture, eventually naming it the "awesome House," a title they now find embarrassing.
19:26 The discussion focused on the challenge of encouraging men to speak about mental health issues, acknowledging that not all men are comfortable with openly sharing their feelings and considering how society can engage with more introspective individuals without making assumptions about their suffering.
23:55 The section discusses how Victorian and Edwardian heroes likely battled mental health issues which they navigated using the "Man Code," leading to memorable achievements, and speculates on the greater potential they might have realised if they had emotional support and vulnerability, a concept shared with modern professionals for enhanced success.
25:56 The early Neanderthals are now believed to have deliberately created fire, serving as a social catalyst by providing warmth and a focal point for gatherings, and this social benefit was likely ingrained into human behaviour, as seen in the natural tendency to form a circle around a fire.
31:34 The speaker discusses the pleasure and empowerment of teaching people, particularly those on recovery journeys, how to create a basic outdoor shelter as an alternative retreat, providing a positive escape from potentially harmful environments.
34:24 The speaker reflects on the stress caused by their youngest child's troubles and the unhelpfulness of friends' advice, suggesting that active listening and support are more beneficial than attempting to fix the problem.
37:06 Amidst disarray and personal turmoil, the speaker attempted to build a boot bench but was overwhelmed by clutter and uncertainty, leading to a moment of immobilisation in the garage.
41:43 The section discusses the author's experiences of gender-specific group conversations, contrasting the emotionally supportive and sharing nature of discussions among women with the transactional and impersonal nature of discussions among men.
43:30 The text discusses the decline in close male friendships compared to previous generations, the importance of fostering a sense of community among men, and the hesitation men feel towards joining groups due to fears of engaging in unconventional activities.
46:12 In Scotland, the saltire is preferred over the Union Jack or St. George's Cross due to their political connotations linked to religious divides, and debates arose online regarding the irony of young men wearing such flags while eating international street food.
50:16 The section discusses concerns about the pressure on men to address gender imbalances in workplaces through mentoring, particularly emphasising the lack of support for struggling men and the modern workplace's unreadiness for the influx of non-politically aligned, right-wing leaning young men.
52:45 The speaker suggests that although Andrew Tate is often criticised for promoting sexism and misogyny, he is actually advocating for a form of freedom where financial success allows one to act and speak freely.
58:37 The text discusses the straightforward and rewarding nature of bushcraft, highlighting how being outdoors can enhance creativity, improve health, and allow for longer, meaningful experiences, especially when shared and made comfortable with others, elevating one's status in the process.
59:50 The speaker concludes by thanking listeners for supporting the cause of inclusion, encouraging them to subscribe to Inclusion Bites, share the journey with others, and contribute their thoughts or stories via email, with a promise to return with more inspiring content.
📚 Timestamped overview
00:00 Exploring inclusion and belonging
06:24 Value of outdoor adventures
10:08 Discussing developing life skills
12:26 Objecting to war games
16:10 Transforming the old house
19:26 Discussing men's mental health challenges
23:55 Victorian heroes and mental health
25:56 Early Neanderthals using fire socially
31:34 Teaching outdoor survival skills
34:24 Dealing with parenting stress
37:06 Feeling overwhelmed and lost
41:43 Experiencing conversations post-transition
43:30 Importance of male friendships
46:12 Flags and cultural symbols in Scotland
52:45 Discussing Andrew Tate's influence
58:37 Benefits of Bushcraft Outdoors
59:50 Closing remarks and gratitude
ℹ️ Introduction
Introduction
Welcome to this episode of Inclusion Bites, hosted by Joanne Lockwood, where we ignite bold conversations and challenge the status quo on inclusion and belonging. Today, in "Men Beyond Survival," Tom Gold—a bushcraft instructor and life coach—joins Joanne Lockwood to explore the journey of men’s mental fitness, connection, and identity in the modern world.
Together, they reflect on the formative power of outdoor experiences, rites of passage, and the value of real community for men. With stories of adventure, fatherhood, and recovery, the episode examines how men truly build resilience—not just through performative talking, but by showing up, listening, and sharing spaces where vulnerability and silence are equally valued.
They dissect the tension between societal expectations and authentic male experience, asking: Are we doing enough to foster environments where men can thrive, not just survive? How do shifting cultural narratives, emerging ideologies, and a changing workplace impact men’s sense of belonging? And crucially, who is ensuring that men are included in the conversation on inclusion itself?
Get ready for a thoughtful, layered discussion on masculinity, community, and what it means to boldly redefine survival as something more—together, around the campfire.
💬 Keywords
inclusion, belonging, societal transformation, bushcraft, life coaching, mental fitness, outdoor activities, performative wellbeing, fatherhood, childhood adventures, risk-taking, trust, childhood memories, digital age, health and safety, male friendships, drugs and alcohol recovery, campfire conversations, emotional expression, man code, masculinity, DEI (Diversity, Equity and Inclusion), men’s mental health, community, vulnerability, male role models, right-wing ideologies, Andrew Tate, incel movement, social disconnection, male-only spaces
About this Episode
About The Episode:
In this compelling discussion, Tom Gold brings his unique perspective as a bushcraft instructor and life coach to explore how nature and authentic connection shape men’s mental resilience. Together, we examine rituals of belonging, the complexities of modern masculinity, and the hidden costs of performative wellbeing. This episode unearths practical approaches for fostering genuine community and self-awareness far beyond clichés or stereotypes.
Today, we'll cover:
The formative role of outdoor adventure in building trust, self-reliance, and intergenerational bonds.
Practical strategies for creating meaningful male connection—often through activity and shared experience rather than forced conversation.
The unintended consequences of trivialising trauma and challenge, especially through popular culture and digital environments.
Ways to support men who are introspective or reluctant to talk, without pressuring them into inauthentic vulnerability.
The impact of diminished male friendship networks on overall wellbeing and the importance of community-building for men at risk of isolation.
Recognising and challenging reductive media tropes that limit the emotional and practical contributions of men, both in families and wider society.
Navigating contemporary social narratives—such as rising disenfranchisement, identity, and belonging—while cultivating space for all men to thrive.
❇️ Key topics and bullets
Sequence of Topics Covered
1. Introduction to the Podcast and Guest
Setting the context for the episode 00:00:07
Joanne Lockwood introduces Tom Gold and his background as a bushcraft instructor and life coach 00:01:14
Tom Gold outlines his superpower: resetting in nature 00:01:36
2. Upbringing and Early Outdoor Experiences
Influence of Tom Gold’s father on his skills and interests 00:03:09
Adventurous activities during childhood (bonfires, dens, risky adventures) 00:03:46
Creating the UDF Club: “Utterly Devoid of Fear” summer groups 00:04:22
Reflections on trust, risk, and the blueprint for parenting 00:05:21
3. The Value of Outdoor Adventure for Children
Are modern children shielded from risk? 00:06:02
The balance between safety and memorable, formative experiences 00:06:24
Empowering parents and rebuilding confidence through outdoor skills 00:06:49
Case study: A parent in recovery reconnecting with his son through outdoor cooking 00:07:37
4. The Lessons and Risks of Adventuring
Memories of children’s outdoor escapades and managing parental fears 00:09:19
Teaching judgement, boundaries, and responsibility through risky activities 00:10:08
Importance of reflective learning from close calls and mistakes 00:11:09
Disapproval of violence-glorifying media (e.g., Call of Duty) due to trivialisation of real sacrifice 00:11:43
5. Societal Context: Knife Crime and Youth Violence
Reflections on Scotland’s history of knife crime 00:13:58
The impact and bravery of outreach organisations countering violence 00:14:35
6. The Transition from Parenting Children to Parenting Adults
Emotional complexities of seeing children become independent 00:15:22
Creating a new home and forming family rituals post-divorce 00:16:10
Coping with change as children move out and reflections on the parenting journey 00:17:14
Challenges parenting through teenage turmoil; never “quitting” on your children 00:18:54
7. Performative Wellbeing and Men’s Mental Health Conversations
The limitations of encouraging all men to “talk more” 00:20:08
Diversity in men’s communication styles within support groups—value of silence, physical activity, and presence 00:20:24
Fostering comfortable, non-judgemental spaces for vulnerability 00:21:10
Pressure to talk vs. permission to be introspective 00:21:48
Harmful “Man Code” stereotypes and their pervasiveness in culture 00:22:13
The impact of suppressing emotion on historical male “heroes” and contemporary men 00:25:00
8. The Role of Nature-Based Experiences in Men’s Wellbeing
Using outdoor activities and campfires as containers for meaningful conversation 00:25:14
The primal context of fire as an ancient meeting format and its social function 00:25:56
The hypnotic, community-building effect of fire 00:27:02
Anecdotes of playful experimentation around campfires, linking past and present 00:28:50
9. Bushcraft Skills as Empowerment Tools
Teaching practical skills as routes to personal agency and positive diversion 00:32:08
The rewarding experience of contributing in a group context 00:33:27
Positive impact on recovery journeys, fostering mutual care and support 00:32:50
10. Fixing vs. Listening: Masculine Approaches to Support
The tendency for advice over active listening among men 00:34:01
The value of simply “showing up” in silence and solidarity 00:35:14
Personal testimony: Tom Gold receiving non-verbal support from his own father 00:37:43
The significance of non-verbal gestures in male emotional exchanges 00:39:33
Example: Wartime veterans’ emotional communication through physical contact 00:39:33
11. Gender Differences in Group Communication and Friendship
Joanne Lockwood contrasts male and female group communication post-transition 00:41:43
The importance of single-gender spaces for authentic connection 00:42:44
Male emotional reserve vs. female openness, and shifts in mixed company 00:43:06
Decline in close male friendships compared to previous generations 00:43:41
Overcoming reluctance to group activities perceived as “odd” or emotionally exposing 00:44:06
12. Disenfranchisement, Flags, and Masculine Identity
The politicisation and division triggered by national symbols (e.g., St George's Cross) 00:45:39
Contrasts in flag symbolism between England and Scotland 00:46:12
Experiences of unity during the 2012 Olympics compared to current divisions 00:47:52
Questions around white male identity and a perceived lack of advocacy 00:48:36
The struggle for inclusion and visibility in D&I discussions 00:49:37
Expectations on white men to be allies and the difficulties if they are struggling themselves 00:50:16
Anticipation of ideological clashes as new generations enter the workplace 00:51:19
13. The Appeal of Right-Wing/Alpha Male Influencers
Analysis of why figures like Andrew Tate, Tommy Robinson, and others resonate with disenfranchised men 00:52:16
Importance of understanding the desire for agency, autonomy, and belonging 00:53:02
The risk of leaving men behind when D&I does not actively incorporate their perspectives 00:54:49
The need for genuine engagement rather than alienation
14. Breaking the Man Code and Fostering Emotional Resilience
The “Man Code” as both a survival strategy and an impediment to wellbeing 00:55:49
The potential for achievement if men can find strength and peace simultaneously 00:56:09
Description of men’s retreat: community, nature, and reclaiming simple joys 00:56:23
15. Final Reflections and Connection
Tom Gold on how to connect/follow his work 00:58:09
The physical and psychological benefits of spending time outdoors 00:58:47
Joanne Lockwood encourages listeners to share, subscribe, and participate in future discussions 00:59:18
{Questions this episode helps answer}
Hook 1
Ever wondered why some men look strong on the outside… but silently fall apart inside?
What if everything you’ve learned about men’s wellbeing is missing the one thing that actually works?
Get ready to de-code the survival myth—and uncover what truly helps men go from just existing to genuinely thriving.
Hook 2
Feel like the world’s getting noisier—yet real conversations about men’s mental fitness barely make a whisper?
Here’s the uncomfortable truth: “Talking” isn’t always the answer. So what IS?
Peek behind the curtain of resilience—discover the rituals that build men up for real.
Hook 3
Why are so many men still playing by rules written centuries ago?
Project strength. Hide the chaos. “I’m fine.” Sound familiar?
Let’s challenge the old script and explore how modern men really grow—outside boardrooms, and definitely beyond hashtags.
Hook 4
Think vulnerability means weakness? Think again.
There’s power in silence. Power in showing up (even when there are no words).
Find out why true support is sometimes a knowing glance—not a grand gesture—and how this could transform the men in your circle.
Hook 5
Ever noticed how the loudest “wellbeing” advice misses what men actually need?
Forget forced heart-to-hearts. What if flourishing starts with sparks, woodsmoke, and a community that understands when to just be?
Step into a world where connection goes far deeper than surface talk—and real change happens far from the spotlight.
Questions Asked that were insightful
FAQs Inspired by Episode “Men Beyond Survival”
1. Does living in the countryside shape your approach to bushcraft and life coaching, or is it the other way around?
Joanne Lockwood asked Tom Gold whether his rural location influenced his work or vice versa. Tom Gold offered a reflective answer about influence from his father, early adventures, and how those formative experiences underpin his values today, highlighting the interplay between place, upbringing, and personal calling (03:01).
2. Are children today missing out on risk, adventure, and essential life skills by living behind screens?
Joanne Lockwood questioned whether modern childhood lacks outdoor experiences and healthy risk-taking. Tom Gold provided nuanced commentary, advocating for measured adventure and sharing powerful examples of outdoor activities building long-term memories and resilience, even among families in recovery or adversity (06:02).
3. How should parents balance safety with allowing children to explore and test their own limits?
After recounting stories of his sons’ risk-taking, Tom Gold reflected on the importance of letting young people encounter manageable danger and fear to develop better judgement and self-trust, rather than over-cocooning them (09:19).
4. Are all men comfortable with “opening up” in wellbeing spaces, and how should support be offered to those who are more introverted?
The interview addressed the societal message urging men to “talk more.” Tom Gold challenged the universality of this advice, describing alternative forms of community—such as quiet participation in outdoor men’s groups—and the importance of not pressuring everyone to share verbally until ready, affirming the value of simply being present (20:08).
5. Why do some men react negatively to performative wellbeing initiatives or “forced” conversations?
Joanne Lockwood and Tom Gold explored the notion of “performative” wellbeing and how not all men identify with or benefit from it. Tom Gold reflected that sometimes practical activity and silent solidarity are preferred over structured talking sessions for genuine connection and healing (20:08).
6. In male friendship groups, why is there often a lack of deep emotional sharing compared to female groups?
Drawing from both lived and observed experience, the podcast examined the different conversational cultures, with Joanne Lockwood describing the transactional nature of some male groups and Tom Gold defending subtle, non-verbal means of mutual support, such as presence and small gestures (41:43).
7. What risks are there in overlooking or alienating men in Diversity, Equity & Inclusion initiatives?
The conversation tackled male disenfranchisement and the perceived lack of belonging or advocacy for white men within DEI. Tom Gold explained that contemporary narratives sometimes presume “the white man is fine,” while many experience stress, isolation, or feel excluded from spaces where everyone else appears to have representation (49:00).
8. Why are certain disenfranchised men attracted to figures like Andrew Tate or far-right movements?
Responding to Joanne Lockwood's prompt, Tom Gold attributed the allure to feelings of not belonging elsewhere, seeking voice, or resonating with promised freedoms and simplified blueprints for strength, autonomy or success that mainstream communities or workplaces may appear to deny (52:16).
9. What is the value of “just showing up” instead of offering solutions when supporting friends or family in crisis?
Drawing on personal stories, Tom Gold emphasised that advice is often unhelpful when someone is struggling; a compassionate presence and silent solidarity can be significantly more supportive (34:24).
These FAQs encapsulate critical, nuanced discussions from the episode, each rooted in specific questions that drew out the most thoughtful and resonant insights.
The standout line from this episode
"If you could stay strong and find peace at the same time, is it too much to ask for both?"
❓ Questions
Discussion Questions: "Men Beyond Survival"
In what ways did Tom Gold’s upbringing influence his perspectives on risk-taking, adventure, and fatherhood, and how do these values translate into his work with men outdoors?
Tom Gold describes a "Man Code" that encourages men to project strength and suppress emotions. How does this cultural expectation impact men’s mental health, and what alternative models could foster healthier emotional expression?
Reflecting on Joanne Lockwood’s observation of gendered communication styles, how might all-male and all-female groups facilitate different types of connection and support?
To what extent does performative wellbeing differ from genuine male mental fitness, and how might outdoor activities create space for authentic conversations that aren’t possible in other settings?
Given Tom Gold’s comments on group dynamics, why might some men prefer non-verbal or task-based participation over traditional ‘talking therapy’, and how can programmes be more inclusive of these preferences?
Tom Gold and Joanne Lockwood discuss the risks and rewards of letting children learn through outdoor adventure. Where should the balance lie between safety and growth, and how might this shape resilience in adulthood?
The episode addresses issues around male disenfranchisement and belonging. How can society create spaces where men feel included in conversations about diversity, equity, and inclusion without feeling alienated?
What are the dangers and potential causes behind the attraction of young men to figures like Andrew Tate or right-wing movements, and how might this be counteracted with more constructive narratives of masculinity?
Reflect on the principle that “showing up” for someone doesn’t always mean offering solutions. How might this insight reshape how we support men in our lives facing difficult circumstances?
With evidence that men today often have fewer close friends than previous generations, what strategies can individuals and communities adopt to foster deeper male friendships and supportive networks?
{FAQs from the episode}
Men Beyond Survival: Episode FAQ
What does "men beyond survival" mean in this context?
"Men beyond survival" explores how men can move from merely coping with modern pressures toward finding purpose, connection, and authentic wellbeing. The episode investigates practical, non-performative approaches to men's mental fitness, focusing on fostering community, resilience, and belonging—especially through shared experiences in nature.
How can outdoor activities help with men's mental health?
Engagement with the outdoors provides men with a space to connect, reflect, and reset away from societal pressures and digital distractions. Activities such as bushcraft, campfire gatherings, and physical tasks allow for quiet companionship and subtle, non-verbal support. As Tom Gold notes, even simple acts like chopping wood or tending a fire can be profoundly restorative and empower men to find solitude or camaraderie as needed 00:20:27.
Do men need to talk about their problems to feel included?
Not always. While open conversation is encouraged, Tom Gold emphasises that men can find support simply by being present and contributing to group activities, even in silence. The space to just 'be'—without pressure to share—is vital. When men do decide to speak, the group is there to listen without judgement or unnecessary advice 00:21:02.
Why might some men resist traditional wellbeing initiatives or group discussions?
Contemporary approaches to wellbeing often expect men to be openly expressive about their feelings, which might not suit every personality or cultural norm. Performative or compulsory sharing can feel alienating or inauthentic, making some men less likely to engage. The episode highlights the importance of respecting varied communication styles, allowing room for hands-on interaction and silent solidarity 00:21:48.
What is the "Man Code" and how does it impact men's wellbeing?
Tom Gold describes the "Man Code" as a set of unwritten rules: always project strength, claim to be fine, and suppress emotional struggles. While historically useful, this code can lead to emotional isolation. However, even men who follow the Man Code may benefit from environments that encourage organic, subtle support rather than overt vulnerability 00:23:01.
Are current Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) efforts adequately supporting men?
The episode explores how many DEI initiatives inadvertently neglect the challenges faced by men—particularly white men—who may not feel included in conversations about belonging and support. As Joanne Lockwood and Tom Gold discuss, there is a real risk that men may feel marginalised or believe support is "not for them", making engagement more challenging 00:49:07.
Why do some young men gravitate towards controversial figures like Andrew Tate?
Figures like Andrew Tate appeal to young men who feel disenfranchised or disconnected from mainstream narratives. They offer messages of empowerment, independence, and belonging, perceived as missing elsewhere. Understanding this appeal helps frame the importance of more inclusive, constructive channels for male engagement and connection 00:53:41.
How does non-verbal support between men look in practice?
Support does not always require words. Gestures such as a hand on the shoulder, a nod, or simply being present can convey solidarity. The episode references powerful examples from both Tom Gold's life and historical documentary footage, illustrating how deep emotional messages can be communicated through actions rather than conversation 00:38:06.
Why is community so important for men?
Community provides a necessary antidote to isolation, offering men a sense of identity, belonging, and mutual support. The episode notes a decline in close male friendships within this generation, highlighting the essential role of gatherings, however informal, for physical and mental health 00:44:06.
How can men or organisations get involved in these practices?
Tom Gold recommends starting with accessible outdoor activities and group sessions focused on shared tasks rather than forced dialogue. Those interested can reach out to him via LinkedIn, his website beyondthemancave.co.uk, or Instagram for advice and upcoming retreat information 00:58:09.
Where can listeners find more episodes or get involved?
Listeners can subscribe to Inclusion Bites via seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen. To share feedback, stories, or express interest in participating, email Joanne Lockwood at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk.
Tell me more about the guest and their views
About the Guest: Tom Gold
Background and Expertise
Tom Gold is a Bushcraft instructor and life coach who specialises in helping men develop authentic mental resilience through outdoor experiences. Based in a rural part of Scotland just north of Glasgow, Tom Gold draws upon personal upbringing and years of professional experience to design and deliver programmes rooted in the natural world. His formative years, strongly influenced by his father's practical skills and fearless approach to adventure, have crafted a philosophy that blends traditional survival skills with modern emotional wellbeing practices.
Tom Gold's unique superpower, as he describes it, is "resetting in nature"—the rejuvenation gained from spending a solitary night outdoors with simple kit and a notebook, returning with a renewed sense of self 00:01:36.
Core Views on Men's Wellbeing and Connection
The Power of the Outdoors
Tom Gold strongly believes in the transformative, therapeutic value of being outdoors. Activities such as building fires, camping, and bushcraft are not merely survival skills but vehicles for personal growth, memory-making, and emotional resetting 00:03:09, 00:25:14, 00:32:10.
He emphasises that even brief outdoor adventures create lasting, positive memories—often more impactful than hours spent in front of screens 00:06:49.
Men, Modernity, and Communication
Tom Gold challenges the current narrative that all men should be openly talkative about their feelings. He observes that many are not comfortable with performative displays of vulnerability or group confessional formats 00:20:08, yet can still benefit and participate meaningfully in communal activities.
Not all men are ready or willing to verbalise emotional struggles; providing space for them to simply 'be' within a group is of significant value. For many, actions—such as tending a fire or chopping wood—serve as non-verbal communication and connection 00:20:27.
When men do choose to speak, their contributions are often deeply considered and impactful—an atmosphere of trust can nurture these moments 00:21:02.
Scepticism of Stereotypes and Pop-Culture Tropes
Tom Gold critiques the oversimplified image of emotionally closed, incompetent men as perpetuated by media such as Peppa Pig's Daddy Pig 00:22:44. He warns that these caricatures provide comfortable excuses for disengagement and reinforce an unhelpful worldview of masculine ineptitude or emotional suppression.
He discusses the "Man Code": a learned behaviour of projecting outward strength, declaring everything is 'fine', and maintaining a tightly guarded inner world. While this code has historically enabled achievements, Tom Gold questions whether it also limits men's potential for well-rounded wellbeing and genuine greatness 00:23:01.
Community, Identity, and Sociopolitical Belonging
Tom Gold is acutely aware of the contemporary isolation many men face—citing research indicating a decline in the number of close male friendships compared with previous generations 00:43:41.
He expresses concern over the societal disenfranchisement of men, particularly white men, who may feel unrepresented or even unwelcome in Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) discussions 00:49:00.
Tom Gold analyses the appeal of figures like Andrew Tate, Tommy Robinson, and even Trump as voices who are perceived to address the alienation and disconnection some men feel in modern society. He notes that these movements offer a sense of freedom, representation, or community—regardless of their ideological content 00:52:16.
Approach to Group Work
Tom Gold's group sessions eschew confessional 'group hug' models in favour of physically shared tasks—such as firelighting, cooking, or trekking. He finds the ancient, elemental act of gathering around a fire particularly conducive to honest sharing, even if some men remain silent 00:25:43, 00:27:25.
He stresses the importance of presence over problem-solving: sometimes, a gesture—a hand on a shoulder, shared silence, or simply turning up—communicates more support than any advice or proposed solution 00:37:47.
Through these means, Tom Gold fosters non-judgemental, practical communities where all forms of participation are valid.
Summary
Tom Gold espouses a view of masculine wellbeing that honours action, presence, and community, whilst challenging limiting stereotypes. He advocates for practical, nature-based interventions alongside a nuanced understanding of men's emotional landscapes—questioning whether contemporary DEI work is adequately meeting the needs of all men. His approach combines the wisdom of old with the demands of the present, asking: what more could men achieve if allowed to be both strong and truly at peace?
Ideas for Future Training and Workshops based on this Episode
Training and Workshop Ideas Inspired by the Episode "Men Beyond Survival"
1. Men’s Mental Fitness in the Outdoors
Overview:
An experiential workshop harnessing bushcraft and nature-based practices to promote mental wellbeing and real resilience for men.
Fire-making and campcraft as metaphors for self-efficacy
Guided reflection sessions around a fire
Tools for managing introspection and non-verbal processing
Actionable strategies for translating outdoor learning into daily life
2. Beyond “Talking More”: Practical Approaches to Men’s Wellbeing
Overview:
Challenging performative expectations in men’s mental health, this session explores meaningful engagement beyond traditional talk therapy.
Understanding the “Man Code” and cultural scripts
Alternative routes to connection (e.g., shared tasks, silent solidarity)
Active listening and presence as support frameworks
Navigating support without “fixing” or prescriptive advice
3. Fatherhood and Trust: Building Resilient Intergenerational Bonds
Overview:
Focusing on transferable life skills through adventure and shared challenge, with an emphasis on trust-building between fathers and children.
Storytelling exercises linking outdoor experiences to developmental growth
Health and safety vs. calculated risk-taking in skill development
Designing family-inclusive adventure activities
Reflective practice for passing on resilience and decision-making abilities
4. Engaging “Hard-to-Reach” Men: Reframing Belonging in DEI
Overview:
Addressing the absence of white men in DEI conversations, this session focuses on building inclusive spaces and countering disengagement.
Understanding alienation: flags, belonging, and current discourse
Socratic dialogue: who is DEI for, and how do we include all identities?
Strategies for inclusive outreach without stigma or guilt
Creating affinity spaces tailored to men’s communication norms
5. Responding to Polarisation: Healthy Masculinity in a Fragmented World
Overview:
An enquiry into disenfranchisement and radicalisation of men, focusing on constructive identification and roles in society.
Exploring why figures like Andrew Tate and incel communities are appealing
The role of freedom, agency, and voice in masculinity
Facilitated group dialogue: safe expression of frustrations and hopes
Co-designing action plans for more productive, inclusive masculinities
6. Skills for Practitioners: Facilitating Men’s Groups Effectively
Overview:
Professional development for facilitators, focusing on the nuances of running male-oriented wellbeing groups.
Group dynamics: balancing silence, task-oriented activity, and sharing
Managing expectations, avoiding stereotypes, and fostering trust
Creating safe “non-performative” spaces for processing
Crisis support: referrals and boundaries
7. From Campfire to Boardroom: Translating Outdoor Learning into Organisational Culture
Overview:
Connecting lessons from bushcraft and outdoor groupwork to strategies for team support, leadership, and inclusion in the workplace.
Symbolism of the campfire: circles, collaboration, and shared experience
Building psychological safety using primal group frameworks
Micro-actions for leaders: showing up, listening, and non-verbal support
Addressing the "allyship burden" and supporting all employees inclusively
Potential Delivery Formats:
Immersive retreats
Workshops (on-site or outdoor settings)
Peer-facilitated group sessions
Masterclasses for DEI and HR professionals
Father–child or intergenerational programmes
Key Principles Drawn from the Episode:
Respect for non-verbal, action-oriented support methods
Valuing memory-making and “wins” as building blocks for resilience
Recognition of challenges specific to modern masculinity and community
Creating safe, stigma-free environments for men to connect and grow
For further collaboration or bespoke session design, contact: jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk.
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Highlight the Importance of this topic on LinkedIn
🌲 Reflecting on the latest episode of Inclusion Bites, “Men Beyond Survival” with Tom Gold and Joanne Lockwood, I’m reminded just how nuanced our work in HR and EDI must be.
Too often, the mental health and inclusion narratives overlook male perspectives, or encourage “solutions” that simply don’t resonate for everyone. This conversation challenged those assumptions, capturing the reality of performative wellbeing, the importance of authentic connection, and the value of introspection outdoors—not just dialogue.
🔥 Building belonging means giving space for every voice, even the quiet ones.
💬 Sometimes supporting a colleague isn’t about fixing—it’s about showing up and listening.
🤝 Creating inclusive cultures requires us to step beyond stereotypes and engage men meaningfully.
Let’s champion inclusion that’s genuinely universal.
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L&D Insights
Key Insights for Senior Leaders, HR & EDI Professionals
🚹 Rethinking Masculinity and Men’s Wellbeing
This episode offers a nuanced look at men’s mental health, challenging the dominant narrative that all men must simply “talk more.” Tom Gold demonstrates that meaningful support and growth may occur outside of traditional talk-centric interventions—often through shared activity, task-based engagement, and safe, non-judgemental spaces.
🔥 The Transformative Role of Activity-Based Inclusion
A standout “aha moment” is the evidence that community and resilience are effectively cultivated through experiential learning—such as bushcraft or collective problem-solving. This approach circumvents stereotypical “group therapy” formats and instead leverages elemental, inclusive practices (e.g., sharing time round a fire) to foster belonging.
🤝 Challenging Performative Inclusion
Tom Gold and Joanne Lockwood discuss the unintended impact of performative EDI efforts. For many men—especially those who might not identify with current EDI initiatives—“being told to talk” or “be an ally” can be alienating if their own needs are unaddressed. EDI must therefore avoid one-size-fits-all solutions and engage with how masculinity, vulnerability, and strength can co-exist.
💡 Aha Moments & New Directions
Not All Connection is Verbal: The most powerful interventions may involve active listening, showing up physically for colleagues, and shared silence—rather than immediate problem-solving or forced disclosure 36:05.
Community, Not Just Conversation: Men’s groups succeed when anchored in purposeful shared tasks, not just dialogue 20:08.
EDI Blind Spots: The traditional focus leaves some populations (e.g. white, straight men) disengaged, which can foster disenfranchisement and polarisation 49:00.
The Power of Rituals & Recognition: Simple acknowledgements and shared experiences (a “clap on the shoulder”, collaborative fire-building) are critical for authentic inclusion.
Addressing New Divides: The episode highlights emerging issues around male disenfranchisement and the rise of polarising figures (e.g. Andrew Tate), urging EDI professionals to consider who is missing from “everyone’s welcome” messaging 52:16.
🚀 Recommended Actions
Broaden DEI Scope: Review your programmes to ensure men of all backgrounds are meaningfully included, not just tolerated.
Create Alternative Spaces: Facilitate non-verbal, activity-based opportunities for connection and reflection—think outdoor retreats or skills workshops instead of traditional talking groups.
Train for Active Presence: Equip line managers and leaders with skills to demonstrate empathy without needing to “fix” colleagues—normalise showing up and listening.
Address Stereotypes Openly: Educate teams about the “Man Code” and its risks, encouraging narrative change around masculine support and vulnerability.
Monitor for Alienation: Stay alert to signals of disengagement within your workforce—especially among those not already actively included in EDI efforts.
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#InclusionBites #MensWellbeing #EDILeadership #ActiveListening #InclusiveCultures
Glossary of Terms and Phrases
## Specialist Terminology and Less Common Phrases
1. **Bushcraft Instructor**
- An individual skilled in wilderness survival techniques, teaching practical outdoor skills such as fire-making, shelter construction, and foraging.
2. **Performative Wellbeing Talk**
- Discussions or behaviours around mental health and wellbeing that are conducted for appearance's sake rather than genuine engagement or action.
3. **Mental Fitness**
- The active development of psychological resilience, clarity, and emotional stability, often viewed as a parallel to physical fitness.
4. **Elemental Format**
- A meeting format rooted in fundamental, primal settings, such as gathering around an open fire, intended to facilitate natural and open communication.
5. **Man Code**
- An unwritten set of expectations and behaviours traditionally ascribed to men, emphasising outward strength, stoicism, and emotional suppression.
6. **Circle Around the Fire**
- Referencing the act of forming a social circle around a central fire, echoing ancient communal traditions as a means of fostering belonging and dialogue.
7. **Community of Recovery**
- A support network comprised typically of individuals overcoming addiction, who are notable, as discussed, for strong mutual support and caretaking.
8. **Introspective Non-Talker**
- Individuals, particularly men, who prefer to remain silent or internalise their feelings during group discussions, yet find value in group presence and shared activity.
9. **Masculinity Emancipation/Disenfranchisement**
- Descriptions relating to men’s perceived loss or restriction of traditional masculine identity, rights, or roles within modern societal or inclusion initiatives.
10. **Role of Active Listening**
- The practice of attentive, non-judgemental listening that prioritises understanding over offering immediate solutions or advice.
11. **Unreadiness of Modern Workplaces**
- The assertion that contemporary workplaces are ill-prepared for the influx of men holding non-mainstream, right-leaning views who may feel alienated by DEI efforts.
12. **Client Group (in the DEI context)**
- A demographic or cohort that practitioners are attempting to reach with diversity, equity, and inclusion interventions, in this context specifically referring to men traditionally outside DEI focus.
13. **'Clap on the Shoulder' Support**
- An understated, non-verbal act of reassurance or solidarity, often more meaningful among men than explicit emotional dialogue.
14. **Cartoonish Tropes of Masculinity**
- Exaggerated, stereotypical depictions of men (e.g., emotionally incompetent, practically useless in the home), often propagated in media or as cultural shorthand.
15. **Incels**
- A portmanteau for ‘involuntarily celibate’, describing men who feel excluded from mainstream romantic and social opportunities, sometimes fostering resentment.
16. **Transactional Male Conversation**
- Dialogue in men-only settings that focuses on facts, events, or activities rather than feelings or vulnerability.
17. **Stereotypes of Masculine Resilience**
- The expectation that men must always cope, remain unaffected by emotional hardship, and avoid outward displays of vulnerability.
18. **Genetic Memory (in Human Social Ritual)**
- The suggestion that certain social behaviours (e.g., gathering round a fire) are deeply embedded in human psychology, possibly inherited from ancient ancestors.
19. **Unreadiness for 'Collision Ideology'**
- The prediction that societal and workplace systems are ill-equipped for the tensions arising when traditional male identities intersect with progressive DEI agendas.
20. **Tangible Wins in Recovery**
- The idea that practical, achievable successes (such as making a fire or shelter) can be pivotal for self-esteem, especially in personal recovery journeys.
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Why Listen
Why Listen: Positive People Experiences – Culture Change in Practice
Step into the heart of transformative conversations with this episode of Inclusion Bites, as I, Joanne Lockwood, am joined by bushcraft instructor and life coach Tom Gold to explore the compelling theme of Positive People Experiences and how they drive authentic Culture Change. In a society largely focused on performative strategies and tick-box diversity initiatives, this episode delves deep into the lived realities and fundamental shifts needed to nurture true belonging—especially among men navigating today’s challenging social terrain.
We open by reflecting on the formative power of the outdoors—stories of bonfires, adventure, and hands-on learning that fuelled not just skills, but emotional resilience and trust. Tom recounts his upbringing with a father who inspired him to embrace life’s risks and challenges head-on, forming the kernel of what later became his professional ethos: using nature as a space for healing, learning, and connecting. These Positive People Experiences rooted in the natural world illustrate an alternative to screen-dominated, risk-averse modern living, inviting listeners to consider what is truly lost when a generation grows up disconnected from nature and adventure.
Moving beyond nostalgia, we interrogate current paradigms of masculinity, especially how men are encouraged to communicate—or not communicate—about their struggles. Culture Change emerges as a necessity, not a luxury, when Tom and I discuss the pitfalls of “performative wellbeing” and the pressure on men to adopt talk-centric approaches to mental health. Tom’s group sessions demonstrate that true Positive People Experiences often take place in the silence around a fire, chopping wood, or simply sharing space. Here, culture isn’t changed by edict but by shared presence, subtle gestures, and the evolution of trust.
This episode challenges listeners to rethink familiar stereotypes and tropes in popular media and workplace DEI. Why do men sometimes resist open emotional conversations? What role does community play in sustaining mental wellbeing? We unpack the “man code” and its double-edged sword—how it has historically served as both a shield and a prison for countless men. We recount moments of breakthrough, where that “nodded silence” means more than words, and reflect on the urgent need for inclusive Culture Change that welcomes men into deeper vulnerability without erasing their authentic ways of connecting.
But the conversation does not shy away from controversial realities. We dive into the rise of disenfranchised men and the cultural vacuum being filled by polarising figures such as Andrew Tate and Tommy Robinson. We analyse how and why young men are drawn to these movements—often as a response to feeling excluded from mainstream diversity dialogues. Tom highlights the paradox: whilst men are frequently told to be supportive allies, their own needs may remain unaddressed, underlining the vital importance of building Positive People Experiences that are genuinely inclusive.
Through stories of recovery groups, father-son adventures, and men’s circles in the Scottish woodland, we illustrate how community can be organically fostered. These spaces offer not only belonging, but genuine opportunities for growth, leadership, and healing—the very essence of Culture Change in action. For workplace leaders, HR professionals, and anyone invested in meaningful inclusion, the episode offers an essential lens into why conventional strategies may miss the mark and what truly works to create environments where people can show up fully and thrive.
So, join us as we ignite real Culture Change by prioritising Positive People Experiences, nurturing authentic belonging, and daring to question the status quo. Whether you lead a team, seek personal growth, or wish to better support men in your circle, this is your invitation to listen, reflect, and be part of a ripple effect that transforms both individual lives and collective culture.
Closing Summary and Call to Action
Closing Summary and Call to Action: Actionable Insights for Driving Positive People Experiences and Culture Change
Reflecting on this episode, I am compelled to gather the core lessons and actionable steps that you—whether you’re a leader, colleague, friend, or family member—can embrace to drive real Culture Change through Positive People Experiences:
Centre Experiences, Not Only Words
Real connection often occurs in the “doing” rather than the “speaking.” Tom’s approach to men’s mental fitness is grounded in practical activity—chopping wood, building fires, navigating the outdoors. These experiences dismantle barriers and foster trust beyond what a traditional talking circle ever could. Ask yourself: How can you create hands-on group activities that allow authentic connection to flourish in your organisation or community?Honour Individual Communication Styles
Not everyone processes or expresses emotion verbally. Some may contribute silently but find belonging in shared purpose and space. Recognise and value different forms of presence, resisting the temptation to force “talk for talk’s sake.” How inclusive is your approach to team wellbeing? Do you privilege extroverted styles over quiet reflection?Challenge and Update Cultural Norms
The old “man code” once served a purpose—projecting strength, stoicism, and reliability. However, its unchecked application can stifle emotional growth and collaboration. Lead by example: Normalise openness and subtle gestures of support, showing that vulnerability and strength are not mutually exclusive.Tackle Disenfranchisement Through Belonging
Fringe figures gain influence when mainstream culture fails to offer belonging. Listen deeply to the reasons some men feel excluded from diversity conversations. Shape Culture Change by extending invitations, not only mandates—curate spaces where everyone, regardless of their identity, can see themselves reflected and valued.Celebrate Everyday Wins
Tom describes the life-changing power of small victories—building a fire, crafting a meal, or simply supporting someone else’s journey. Recognise and reward incremental progress in your teams and families. Create rituals or recognition moments that build confidence and resilience.Build Community organically
Forced interactions rarely yield lasting change. Instead, create environments—physical or virtual—where community can emerge naturally, as it does around the primal allure of a campfire. Encourage group traditions, shared challenges, or regular informal gatherings to strengthen social bonds.Listen Without Needing to “Fix”
Sometimes the most helpful thing you can do for someone is to simply show up and listen, refraining from immediate advice-giving or trying to solve their problems. Develop your active listening skills—give space, nod, and let people know you are present and supportive.Include, Don’t Exclude, in DEI Strategy
DEI initiatives must be for everyone, including those who might feel left out by the current emphasis on underrepresented groups. In your efforts to advance inclusion, be mindful to continually communicate that Culture Change benefits the whole community.Encourage Reflection Through Nature
Reconnect with the outdoors to prompt self-reflection, calm, and new perspectives. Organise outdoor team-building sessions or retreats that go beyond corporate exercises and genuinely enable people to “reset” their mental state.Educate Yourself on Social Trends
Challenge your assumptions about why certain groups may be drawn to divisive leaders or ideologies. Engage in critical reflection and seek to understand before judging. The antidote to disconnection is understanding, not condemnation.
Actionable Steps for Listeners:
Schedule a group activity that is experience-focused, such as a walk in nature or a simple task-based gathering.
Start a conversation in your workplace or community about what “positive people experiences” would look like for all genders.
Reflect on your own “man code,” expectations, or communication preferences, and make one change to create space for others’ styles this week.
Reach out to a friend or colleague—just to listen, not to fix.
Educate your team about the value of silence, presence, and small gestures.
Sign up for alerts on future Inclusion Bites episodes, and circulate this episode to leaders, diversity champions, and those shaping organisational culture.
Your influence as a listener can create ripple effects of positive, lasting change—so take that next step today.
Outro
Thank you, the listener, for tuning in to the Inclusion Bites Podcast. If you found value in today’s exploration of Positive People Experiences and Culture Change, please like, subscribe, and share the episode to help others benefit from these powerful insights. To discover more and deepen your involvement, visit the SEE Change Happen website at https://seechangehappen.co.uk or explore more Inclusion Bites episodes at https://seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen.
Stay curious, stay kind, and stay inclusive – Joanne Lockwood
Root Cause Analyst - Why!
Root Cause Analysis: Key Problems in "Men Beyond Survival"
Key Problem Identified
Problem:
Men find it difficult to openly discuss mental health struggles and access support, leading to isolation, under-addressed needs, and, in some cases, susceptibility to disenfranchisement and divisive influences.
Five Whys Analysis
1. Why do men find it difficult to openly discuss mental health struggles and access support?
Because there is a pervasive expectation that men must project outward strength, remain stoic, and not show vulnerability, as described by Tom Gold as "the Man Code" 22:59.
2. Why is there a pervasive expectation for men to be stoic and strong?
Because traditional cultural and societal norms have long associated masculine identity with emotional restraint, problem-solving, and self-reliance—traits reinforced through upbringing, media representations, and peer groups 22:59, 24:14.
3. Why have these norms been so powerfully perpetuated?
Because for previous generations, emotional suppression was often necessary for survival (e.g., wartime experiences, economic hardship) and has been modelled by historical and familial role models, further validated by seeing emotionally closed men as successful or heroic 24:08, 40:22.
4. Why is this approach problematic in the present day?
Because contemporary life presents complex emotional and social challenges (e.g., changing family structures, workplace pressures, D&I initiatives, societal expectations) where stoicism can lead to isolation, lack of genuine connection, and unmet support needs. Modern support frameworks often do not cater to the way many men are comfortable accessing help 20:08, 44:06.
5. Why have modern support frameworks failed to adapt to these male needs and experiences?
Because conversations and solutions around well-being and inclusion frequently reflect approaches that either overlook male communication preferences (action, shared activity, side-by-side engagement) or unintentionally alienate men by not representing or addressing their lived realities, thus leaving them outside the inclusion narrative 22:59, 49:07.
Root Cause Summary
At the root, men’s difficulties in discussing mental health and accessing support stem from entrenched cultural and societal narratives about masculinity, perpetuated over generations and reinforced by family, peers, and media. Modern support structures often fail to accommodate the comfort zone in which many men process emotions and seek connection (active, practical, or shoulder-to-shoulder settings), resulting in a disconnect that leaves men isolated and more vulnerable to divisive or extreme influences offering a sense of validation and belonging.
Recommendations & Solutions
1. Redesign Support Structures
Create non-verbal, activity-based spaces (e.g. bushcraft, community projects, fitness sessions) that allow men to participate and connect in ways aligned with how they feel at ease, as modelled in Tom Gold’s outdoor sessions 20:08, 25:14.
Foster environments where participation is valued even for those who simply want to listen or do, removing pressure to perform emotionally.
2. Challenge and Expand Masculine Narratives
Proactively model and normalise a broader set of masculine traits that encompass emotional coherence, community care, and mutual support, shifting narratives in media and organisational culture 24:19.
Invite diverse male experiences into the D&I conversation, ensuring that support reflects real, lived realities and does not rely on stereotypes.
3. Engage Men in the Inclusion Agenda
Design interventions that make clear how inclusion initiatives benefit men directly (not merely as allies), offering them tangible value and representation 49:00.
Draw upon male role models and peer networks to co-lead these conversations and provide practical blueprints for engagement.
4. Promote Community and Belonging
Recognise and address the loss of close male friendships and community by developing male-focused groups based on shared activity and mutual support—prioritising camaraderie over emotional performance 44:01.
Leverage these communities to subtly introduce mental fitness and well-being discussions as trust develops.
5. Address Extremist Influences
Acknowledge the roots of disenfranchisement that have made certain divisive figures appealing ([Andrew Tate, etc.]), and counter with authentic, positive engagement and alternative narratives that offer freedom, agency, and validation without exclusion or harm 52:16.
In summary:
Men’s reluctance to access or benefit from support is deeply rooted but not immutable. Solutions must centre on reimagining support as something that meets men “where they are” and proactively includes their voices, preferences, and needs in both narrative and practice, fostering community, acceptance, and a more holistic model of masculinity.
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Men Beyond Survival: Navigating Strength, Silence, and Belonging
Meta description: Join me, Joanne Lockwood, as I reflect on my invigorating conversation with Tom Gold about modern masculinity, men’s mental health, and inclusive belonging. We look beyond stereotypes to discover how men can truly thrive, not just survive.
The topic of men’s mental health and inclusive belonging resonates far beyond any one-to-one chat; it’s a societal heartbeat, often muted by outdated expectations and overlooked needs. In my powerful discussion with Tom Gold, bushcraft instructor and life coach, we journeyed into what it means for men to move beyond mere survival—to build community, confront modern challenges, and shape healthier ways of being. Here’s what struck me most from our time together.
Nature’s Blueprint: Rediscovering Outdoor Connection
From the outset, Tom spoke of how foundational experiences in nature with his father launched a lifelong appreciation for adventure and trust. These weren't just idle pastimes; climbing derelict castles, lighting fires, or paddling down a canal became living metaphors for courage, risk, and resilience. It’s fascinating—are we missing something vital in today’s digital age by forsaking the outdoors for screens?
Tom’s perspective made me consider how outdoor experiences cement formative memories and practical skills. Young people especially need that visceral encounter with uncertainty, risk, and reward: when was the last time you allowed yourself or your child to truly explore, to get muddy, or to learn problem-solving in a woodland instead of in front of a console?
Building Belonging Through Shared Challenge
The primary keyword—inclusive belonging—echoed through our exchange as we explored why shared struggles build unspoken bonds among men. Tom described leading recovery groups around a fire, where participants found connection in chopping wood, tending flames, or sitting in companionable silence. The campfire—an elemental anchor for over 400,000 years—serves as both community hearth and space for emotional warmth.
I was struck by the idea that true belonging is less about talking and more about being together, sharing space, and mutual recognition. Could it be that the power of inclusive belonging lies in allowing men to contribute in their own way, whether in words or in practical action?
Silence and Strength: Rethinking 'Talking More'
A pervasive trope holds that men “need to talk more” to address mental health. Tom offered a different lens. Not every man feels compelled to share in groups, and yet, through physical acts—splitting wood, brewing tea, or just turning up—men express care and camaraderie. When a previously silent participant finally speaks, the impact is profound. Are we, as a society, pushing verbal vulnerability at the expense of silent strength, and is there space for both?
Our conversation challenged me to reconsider the definition of emotional literacy. Might inclusive belonging be about allowing a full spectrum of expression—action, presence, and, yes, sometimes words?
Modern Masculinity and 'The Man Code'
Tom’s concept of “The Man Code”—projecting strength, denying struggle, keeping a lid on emotional turmoil—reminded me of inherited cultural scripts. History celebrates stoic, closed men, but what was sacrificed beneath those facades? What could men achieve if liberated from the need to suppress their struggles?
This brought to mind the roles we cast men into today: fixers, providers, silent stoics. Is it time to disrupt these codes, not to reject strength, but to pair it with peace, connection, and honest self-reflection? Could inclusive belonging start by rewriting the rules altogether?
Disenfranchisement, Flags, and the Search for Identity
An unexpected turn led us to reflect on nationalism and disenfranchisement. With changing symbols and societal norms, men—particularly “average white men”—often find themselves without a clear group identity. The flags we wave, Tom noted, can unite or divide, and in today’s world, men are sometimes left wondering where they fit in, whose cause they champion, and how to feel pride without exclusion.
This curiosity opened a difficult question: Have we inadvertently created spaces where inclusive belonging feels off-limits for some? What responsibility do we have to ensure no one feels left behind by the very structures meant to unite?
The Allure of Extremes: Understanding Radical Movements
As conversations shifted to figures like Andrew Tate and controversial movements, I saw how men searching for belonging may be seduced by clear, if problematic, narratives. When mainstream society ignores certain needs, radical voices rush to fill the void. Why are so many young men drawn to such extremes? What voids in connection, identity, or opportunity are we leaving unaddressed?
Both Tom and I agreed: To foster genuine inclusive belonging, conversations must be wider and braver, including those who feel invisible or misunderstood. Only then can we reach beyond survival and towards a society where every individual thrives.
Conclusion: The Heartbeat of Inclusive Belonging
This conversation reaffirmed for me that inclusive belonging is not just a soft ideal—it’s a necessity for men’s mental health and societal cohesion. By creating honest, judgment-free spaces, modelling both silence and speech, and showing up for one another, we begin building bridges across generational and cultural divides. Perhaps the greatest curiosity that remains: What might our communities look like if all men found themselves welcomed beyond the campfires, united by more than silence, and invited, at last, to thrive?
To continue this vital journey, connect with me at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk or listen in at Inclusion Bites—let’s keep the spark of inclusive belonging alive, together.
Slogans and Image Prompts
Slogans, Soundbites and Quotes
1. "Ignite the Spark of Inclusion"
AI Image Prompt:
A vibrant campfire at dusk, surrounded by a diverse group of people in relaxed outdoor clothing, seated in a circle. Soft embers glow as stylised sparks trail into the starry night, subtly weaving into the word "Inclusion" with warm, inviting colours.
2. "Reset in Nature, Return Renewed"
AI Image Prompt:
A solitary figure lying contentedly under a simple tarp, notebook tucked beside them, nestled in a lush forest clearing at sunrise. Dew on greenery, soft beams of sunlight streaming through trees, and a restful expression on the figure’s face, encapsulating peace and renewal.
3. "Community Above All Else"
AI Image Prompt:
A close-knit group of individuals, male and female, gathered around a glowing campfire, smiling, sharing food and supporting each other. Gentle woodland background, night sky overhead, sense of unity radiating from the fire’s light.
4. "Showing Up is 90% of It"
AI Image Prompt:
Two hands meeting in solidarity over a wooden bench amidst a lightly disordered garage, with tools and wood shavings in the background. Grit meets caring, symbolising the quiet power of presence and silent support.
5. "Outdoors: Where Strength and Peace Meet"
AI Image Prompt:
A strong, calm individual kneeling to tend a campfire, with mountains and a reflective lake in the background. Half the scene depicts action (chopping wood, building the fire), while the other half shows peaceful reflection in nature.
6. "Men Need Space, Not Just Words"
AI Image Prompt:
A group of men, some engaged in chopping wood, others staring thoughtfully into a fire, with expressive body language suggesting comfort without the need for constant conversation. Subtle speech bubbles carry ellipses, not words.
7. "The Man Code: Project Strength, Find Peace"
AI Image Prompt:
An illustrated shield split in half: one side featuring bold, stoic imagery (mountain peaks, strong lines) and the other, tranquil natural elements (soft water, greenery, a gentle sunrise), capturing the duality of outward strength and inner calm.
8. "Firelight. Brotherhood. Belonging."
AI Image Prompt:
A stylised, almost emblematic campfire with shadowy figures forming a protective, supportive ring around it. The flames subtly morph into interlinked hands, representing unity and male friendship.
9. "From Survival to Thriving"
AI Image Prompt:
A progression of silhouettes: the first huddled under a tarp in the rain, the next confidently lighting a fire, then standing tall at sunrise atop a hill. Rainbows or light rays convey transition from mere survival to empowerment and well-being.
10. "#InclusionIgnited"
AI Image Prompt:
A colourful hashtag rising above a campfire set amidst varied outdoor scenes (woodland, hills, rivers), with outlines of different people—men and women—cheering, interacting, and sharing stories under the wide sky.
All slogans and visuals are designed to be evocative, memorable, and desirable, resonating with the core messages of belonging, strength, vulnerability, and real connection from the episode.
Inclusion Bites Spotlight
Tom Gold, our guest on Men Beyond Survival, this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, opens a door to the untold realities behind men’s mental fitness and community. As a bushcraft instructor and life coach, Tom draws upon a lifetime shaped by outdoor adventure, intergenerational skills, and the profound lessons learned both in nature and at the heart of family life.
Tom’s work centres upon supporting men to move past mere survival, and to instead find genuine belonging through shared experience. He creates spaces—often around the elemental comfort of a campfire—where men can connect, reflect, and support one another without pressure or expectation. His holistic approach invites men to be present: whether they choose to speak or simply to 'show up', each person’s needs are respected, honouring diverse methods of coping and expression.
Through candid storytelling, Tom examines the societal tropes and ‘man code’ that often impede emotional expression. He explores the evolving pressures on modern masculinity, interrogating how performative wellbeing and stereotypes both silence and disenfranchise men from different backgrounds. Tom’s perspective urges the importance of community and reconnection, particularly for those who may feel marginalised by current inclusion narratives.
On this episode, Tom shares practical insight into how outdoor experiences and quiet camaraderie can reignite a sense of purpose and inner resilience. He challenges us to reconsider what it means for men to thrive in today’s world, and how environments of acceptance—rooted in both tradition and innovation—can support not just men, but the wider community in driving authentic, inclusive change.
10 Question Quiz
Men Beyond Survival: Host Quiz
Multiple Choice Questions
According to Joanne Lockwood, what is a core objective of the Inclusion Bites Podcast?
A) Providing corporate compliance training
B) Exploring inclusion, belonging, and societal transformation
C) Teaching outdoor survival skills
D) Promoting celebrity interviews
In the introduction, Joanne Lockwood suggests listeners can:
A) Apply for a job through the podcast
B) Be passive consumers only
C) Participate in the conversation by reaching out
D) Only send anonymous feedback
Joanne Lockwood reflects on formative childhood experiences involving:
A) City life and attending museums
B) Outdoor adventures and learning from a parental figure
C) Academic competitions
D) Exclusive technology-based activities
When discussing childhood risk-taking, Joanne Lockwood describes its value as:
A) Dangerous and unnecessary
B) Essential for learning and growth
C) To be avoided in modern parenting
D) Only suitable for girls
Joanne Lockwood considers which of the following a barrier to talking about men’s wellbeing?
A) Society always encourages men to talk openly
B) Not all men want to have open, emotional conversations
C) Most men prefer group therapy
D) Men freely join mixed-gender sharing circles
How does Joanne Lockwood describe the nature of male-only versus female-only group conversations?
A) They are identical in content and tone
B) Male groups tend to focus on transactional topics, while female groups discuss emotional matters
C) Both groups avoid talking about feelings
D) Female groups rarely discuss challenges
According to Joanne Lockwood, performative well-being talk for men can be problematic because:
A) All men prefer to share deeply all the time
B) It may not account for quieter, introspective men
C) It makes men better leaders
D) It is necessary for all inclusion efforts
Reflecting on societal trends, Joanne Lockwood suggests some men feel:
A) Overrepresented in diversity and inclusion spaces
B) Disenfranchised or left out of DEI initiatives
C) Indifferent to community and belonging
D) Satisfied with the status quo
In the context of supporting others, Joanne Lockwood indicates that men often:
A) Immediately respond with emotional openness
B) Prefer to “fix” problems instead of just listening
C) Avoid helping altogether
D) Seek frequent group hugs
At the close of the episode, Joanne Lockwood encourages listeners to:
A) Remain silent and passive
B) Subscribe, share the podcast, and reach out with stories and thoughts
C) Ignore issues of inclusion and belonging
D) Only reflect individually
Answer Key & Rationale
B: The host centres the podcast on exploring inclusion, belonging, and societal transformation (00:00:16).
C: Joanne Lockwood invites listeners to reach out and share their insights or join conversations (00:00:51).
B: She reflects on outdoor adventures and learning from her father as formative experiences (00:02:17).
B: Joanne Lockwood frames risk-taking as essential for growth and learning (00:11:09).
B: She acknowledges not every man is comfortable with open emotional sharing (00:19:57).
B: She compares male groups as transactional and female groups as more emotionally expressive (00:41:43).
B: The host notes performative talk can neglect men who are quieter or less likely to speak up (00:19:57).
B: She articulates that many men feel left out of or not served by diversity and inclusion efforts (00:49:09).
B: She observes that men often want to fix problems rather than simply listen (00:34:09).
B: The closing message encourages listeners to subscribe, share, and connect (01:00:04).
Summary Paragraph
Joanne Lockwood uses the Inclusion Bites Podcast to examine themes of inclusion, belonging, and societal change, urging listeners to actively participate by sharing insights and stories. She relates formative experiences of outdoor adventure and risk-taking as vital aspects of personal growth, and highlights that not all men are comfortable with open, emotional conversations—a reality often overlooked by performative well-being initiatives. Joanne Lockwood draws a distinction between the emotionally expressive nature of female group conversations and the more transactional style prevalent in male groups, noting that DEI initiatives can leave some men feeling disenfranchised. She further explores the tendency of men to attempt to fix problems rather than simply listen and underscores the importance of developing inclusive dialogues that engage all voices. Closing the episode, she encourages listeners to subscribe, share, and help drive the ongoing conversation around inclusion and belonging.
Rhyme Scheme and Rhythm Podcast Poetry
Men Beyond Survival
Beneath the grey and whispering trees,
Where wild lochs mirror shifting skies,
Boys once chased their fearless dreams,
With bonfires bright and spirit wise.
The village called, the camps were made,
Old ropes swayed over quarry stone,
In hedgerows, secret treasures laid—
Adventure claimed a world their own.
Yet time reforms the reckless route,
The sons grow tall and walk apart.
A father’s pride and quiet doubt
Find home within a restless heart.
From fearless deeds to evenings slow,
Shared pizzas near the glowing flame,
To letting go and watching grow,
While memories echo each young name.
The world now hums with silent codes,
Screens light faces, not the soul;
Men sit in rooms, where silence goads
A thousand words they leave untold.
Still, solace waits where branches bend,
Outdoors, where circles round fires thrive—
There, hands and shoulders quietly tend,
To those who barely speak to survive.
Flags flutter, stories twist with time,
Identity sought in crowd and clan,
Lost boys drift into bitter rhyme,
Hungry for purpose, meaning, plan.
Some channel rage, some turn away,
While voices loud with simple hate
Fill up the spaces, night and day—
And yet, new bridges can’t be late.
True strength, perhaps, is found revealed
In listening long and showing up;
In letting wounds, once deftly sealed,
Be seen around the midday cup.
Community is forged by deed
Not by words which rarely heal;
The warmth you offer, hands that lead—
Are gifts that let the spirit feel.
So when the dusk ignites the coals,
And kindled hearts exchange their truth,
May kindness spark between all roles,
Men reimagined from their youth.
If these tales set your mind alight,
Invite a friend to take a part;
Subscribe, then share this flame tonight—
Inclusion spreads from heart to heart.
with thanks to [Tom Gold] for a fascinating podcast episode
Key Learnings
Key Learning & Takeaway
The episode underscores the critical importance of authentic male connection and community in an age of increasing introspection, digital detachment, and rapidly shifting social narratives. It powerfully advocates for approaches to men's mental health and inclusion that transcend performative dialogue and instead foster practical, non-judgemental spaces—often facilitated by shared purpose and outdoor experiences—where men can find belonging, express vulnerability on their own terms, and redefine what thriving looks like beyond mere survival.
Point #1: Beyond the "Man Code"—Authentic Expression
Societal expectations often pressure men to appear outwardly strong and emotionally closed, adhering to a "Man Code" that suppresses inner struggles. The discussion reveals that true connection emerges when men are offered both the permission and the space to express vulnerability without pressure or stereotype, allowing them to move from survival to growth.
Point #2: Community and Practical Action Over Performative Talk
Many men do not engage in traditional "talking therapies" and may find group conversation uncomfortable. The outdoors, practical tasks, and quietly shared space—such as gathering round a fire—can build trust and foster deeper communication, often without the need for overt emotional discussions. Community is cultivated not solely through words but through shared purpose and presence.
Point #3: Societal Disempowerment and the Search for Belonging
The episode explores how shifts in diversity and inclusion discourse can sometimes inadvertently leave men, particularly white men, feeling excluded from the conversation and disenfranchised. This vacuum is readily exploited by radical or populist figures. Recognising and actively including all identities in the dialogue around inclusion is essential to prevent further social polarisation.
Point #4: The Power of Showing Up—Support is More Than Solutions
Offering solutions to others’ problems is often less meaningful than simple presence and silent support. Moments of non-verbal understanding and non-judgemental solidarity—such as a reassuring hand on the shoulder—can be profoundly impactful. Often, being present and actively listening demonstrates care more effectively than any attempted fix.
Maxims to live by…
Maxims for Men Beyond Survival
Seek Growth Outside Your Comfort Zone
True development lies in facing risks, embracing challenge, and learning from failure.Nurture Bonds Through Shared Experience
Engage in purposeful activities—outdoors or otherwise—to build meaningful memories and lasting connections.Trust Is Built Through Consistent Presence
Show up for others, especially when words fail; sometimes silent support carries the greatest meaning.Embrace the Power of Community
Belonging is not found in isolation but fostered in groups, through both action and affirmed mutual support.Let Stillness and Nature Reset Your Mind
A return to natural spaces offers clarity, calm, and a sense of renewal—never underestimate the worth of time outdoors.Value Listening Above Fixing
Listen actively and without judgement; solutions are not always sought—sometimes, being heard is enough.Honour the Wisdom of Simple Gestures
Respect that not all connections are made through conversation—actions, presence, or a gentle touch often say more.Balance Independence With Support
Encourage self-reliance, but always let loved ones know your support is unwavering, even as roles evolve.Challenge Performative Expectations
Eschew pressure to talk or act a certain way; authenticity matters more than performance or adherence to stereotypes.Acknowledge and Process Feelings—In Your Own Way
Emotional strength includes making peace with your vulnerabilities, regardless of whether you choose to vocalise them.Respect Each Person’s Approach to Community
Some find solace in silence, others in conversation; contribution need not always be verbal.Create Space for Reflection and Reminiscence
Cherish shared moments but recognise when it is time to let others move forward, carrying those lessons with them.Build Confidence Through Mastery of Simple Skills
The ability to provide, create, and sustain—whether by lighting a fire or supporting others—builds self-worth and resilience.Guard Against Trivialising Serious Matters
Treat history and sacrifice—your own and others’—with respect, fostering understanding rather than desensitisation.Recognise When to Step Back From Advice
Discern when someone seeks guidance versus when they simply need a listening ear or reassurance.Connect Through Meaningful Rituals
Shared traditions—a campfire, a meal, a small celebration—anchor community and restore a sense of belonging.Resist Outsourcing Identity to Outdated Codes
Examine inherited social scripts critically; choose which ideals serve your flourishing and discard those that do not.Champion Support Over Stoicism
Strength and openness are not mutually exclusive; balance courage with compassion for yourself and those around you.Find Purpose in Helping Others Thrive
Recognise the fulfilment in enabling others to grow, overcome adversity, and celebrate small victories together.Believe that Reconnection Is Always Possible
However far one travels from their beginnings or community, reclaiming a sense of belonging and contentment remains within reach.
Extended YouTube Description
Men Beyond Survival | Fostering Connection, Resilience & Community | Inclusion Bites Podcast
Unlock the heart of inclusive masculinity, mental fitness, and the transformative power of the outdoors with Tom Gold and Joanne Lockwood, host of the Inclusion Bites Podcast. This episode is a must-watch for HR professionals, Diversity & Inclusion advocates, mental health champions, and anyone committed to building a stronger, more inclusive community for men and beyond.
⏰ Timestamps
00:00 – Introduction and podcast vision
01:14 – Meet Tom Gold: Bushcraft, coaching, and the power of nature
03:09 – The influence of upbringing and outdoor adventure
06:02 – Risk, resilience, and learning in youth
08:37 – The value of outdoor fatherhood and building memories
10:08 – Navigating danger, trust, and judgement
11:43 – Growth through challenge and responsible risk
13:12 – Gaming, history, and trivialising trauma
14:34 – Addressing youth violence and social interventions
15:22 – Parenting boys through crisis and transition to adulthood
19:26 – Performative wellbeing and men’s group dynamics
20:08 – Silence, participation, and belonging in men’s spaces
22:13 – The ‘Man Code’, vulnerability, and breaking stereotypes
25:06 – Bushcraft as a path to mental health and connection
28:50 – Fire, community, and the power of shared experience
32:42 – Therapeutic benefits for people in recovery
34:01 – Active listening vs. ‘fixing’
36:41 – Silent support, non-verbal solidarity, and generational masculinity
41:43 – Gendered conversation patterns and group identity
44:44 – Disenfranchisement, identity, and flags
49:37 – Are men left out of D&I conversations?
52:16 – The appeal of Andrew Tate and the search for belonging
55:15 – Responding to male disenfranchisement and populism
56:23 – Upcoming men’s retreat: real community, real growth
58:09 – Connect with Tom Gold online
59:18 – Closing thoughts and call to action
In This Episode
Discover how real-life bushcraft and the great outdoors are forging meaningful spaces for men’s mental health and inclusive community. Tom Gold shares practical experiences that extend beyond performative wellbeing, highlighting the profound effects of nature-based coaching, campfire circles, and shared physical tasks on trust and resilience. The episode explores:
Fatherhood and formative adventure: Insights into generational learning, risk-taking, and the formative power of outdoor exploration.
Balancing safety and growth: How calculated risk and honest reflection fuel personal and emotional development.
Men's mental health: The challenges of vulnerability, ‘man code’ stereotypes, and why “talking more” isn’t always the solution.
Community and belonging: The unique value of male-only spaces and non-verbal support in building resilience and combating loneliness.
Cultural currents: The allure of modern populist figures (Andrew Tate, incel movements), loss of male identity, and finding healthy alternatives for connection and purpose.
Actionable takeaways: How to create supportive environments, listen without ‘fixing’, and use simple outdoor activities to foster trust and skill-building.
Tom Gold and Joanne Lockwood provide nuanced guidance for anyone invested in men’s wellbeing, whether you’re seeking new leadership approaches, designing D&I strategies, or supporting friends and family.
Why Watch?
Whether you’re a men's group facilitator, business leader, clinician, or parent, this episode will sharpen your understanding of what fosters real connection and mental fitness in men. Learn why open campfires—and open minds—are vital to transforming inclusion from policy to lived experience. Gain practical methods to help men move beyond mere survival into genuine flourishing and purpose.
Get Involved
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Comment below with your experiences or questions about men’s wellbeing and belonging
Visit our website: seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen for resources, past episodes, and to join the conversation
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#MensWellbeing #MentalFitness #InclusionMatters #Bushcraft #Belonging #GenderInclusion #CommunityBuilding #OutdoorsTherapy #DiversityAndInclusion #Resilience #MenBeyondSurvival
Transform your understanding of male inclusion—watch now and join a community igniting real change.
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Men Beyond Survival: Rethinking Male Belonging and Vulnerability
Do we truly make space for every voice in our inclusion conversations—or are some groups quietly left at the edges? As professionals championing inclusive cultures, it’s easy to overlook the silent stories, especially those shaped by traditional masculinity. What does it mean for men, particularly those disengaged from the usual vocal discourse, to move beyond survival and genuinely belong?
This question sits at the heart of our latest Inclusion Bites Podcast episode, "Men Beyond Survival," where I explore masculinity, mental fitness, and relational connection with the remarkable Tom Gold—a bushcraft instructor and life coach who has dedicated his work to helping men thrive in body, mind, and spirit, out in the wilds and beyond the limits of performative wellbeing.
Lighting the Fire: What It Really Means to Belong
In my conversation with Tom Gold, we travel from the muddy fields of childhood adventure to the emotional landscapes that so many men quietly navigate. Our dialogue touches on the changing nature of fatherhood, the importance of risk and trust, and the subtle, often overlooked, rituals of male bonding that foster solidarity and resilience.
For those working in HR, D&I, Talent, or L&D, this episode is especially pertinent:
How do we create cultures where men feel able to participate without feeling forced to overshare, yet are welcomed to connect on their own terms?
What risks do we run if we push for performative vulnerability while inadvertently denying space for unspoken, non-verbal connection?
And how can organisations respond to the needs of men who feel increasingly disenfranchised by mainstream inclusion efforts?
Tom Gold brings a unique perspective, both as a practitioner in the outdoors and as a father, weaving his lived experience with stories from his men’s groups, his work in addiction recovery, and his personal reflections on change and growth.
Building Bridges: From Survival to True Connection
Here’s what stood out most powerfully from this episode:
1. Not All Support Looks Alike
Tom Gold reminded me that many men find connection not through “talking it out,” but through shoulder-to-shoulder activity—be it chopping wood, cooking over an open fire, or quietly sitting together. Silence itself can be bonding, laden with understanding and trust. As workplace leaders, it’s vital we honour these less obvious forms of connection and create spaces for quiet belonging.
2. The Dangers of the ‘Man Code’
A recurring thread in our discussion was what Tom calls “the Man Code”—the cultural script urging men to project strength, keep emotions close, and only show up with solutions. It has, historically, facilitated male resilience, but at the cost of emotional health, help-seeking, and sometimes even happiness. As Tom asks: if suppressing vulnerability has enabled survival, what could men achieve if given permission to move beyond it?
3. Risk, Resilience, and Growth
Our conversation returned again and again to the formative role of risk. Tom's childhood stories of “UDF Club” (Utterly Devoid of Fear) adventure days reminded me how safe, managed risk teaches resilience, judgment, and self-belief—qualities vital not just for young boys but for adults navigating the uncertainties of modern working life. How can we build cultures where calculated risk is a path to growth, rather than something to be policed out of existence?
4. The Need for Community—Not Just Conversation
Men’s groups, as Tom describes them, often succeed not because members disclose their deepest worries, but because they "show up" for each other—through presence, small gestures, practical support. Encouraging men to talk is useful, but equally powerful is nurturing settings (yes, even round a campfire) where being together is enough.
5. Addressing Disenfranchisement Head-On
We also tackled uncomfortable truths: the growing sense of disenfranchisement amongst some men, particularly white men, in inclusion spaces. Tom highlighted how far-right influencers like Andrew Tate and movements such as the “incel” community fill the vacuum left by mainstream workplaces that fail to offer belonging or acknowledge changing gendered identities. Our challenge, as DEI practitioners, is to repair this breach—ensuring that inclusion is neither a zero-sum game nor an exclusive club.
Into the Flames: A Fresh Lens on Vulnerability
Before you listen, I invite you to watch this brief, poignant audiogram—a window into the unspoken depths of the episode. Click here to watch the audiogram for a moment of real vulnerability, as Tom Gold and I discuss how presence and quiet solidarity can mean more than a thousand words ever could.
Join the Conversation
Ready to challenge your assumptions and discover new strategies for engaging men in your organisation? Listen to the full episode here and consider sharing it within your professional networks—whether you’re an HR partner shaping your policies, a Talent or L&D leader mentoring male colleagues, or just curious to approach male belonging from a fresh perspective.
If this episode sparks a thought or a question, I’d love to hear from you—drop me a line at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk and let’s keep the dialogue going.
Fanning the Embers: What Will You Do Next?
As we reflect on what it means for men to move “beyond survival” and genuinely belong, I leave you with this: If silence, presence, and adventure can facilitate male connection, how can you reimagine belonging in your context—so every voice, spoken or unspoken, is welcomed round your organisation’s campfire?
Until we meet again by the fireside, let’s keep nurturing cultures where everyone truly belongs.
Warmly,
Joanne Lockwood
Host of the Inclusion Bites Podcast
The Inclusive Culture Expert at SEE Change Happen
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Song Lyrics from Episode
[Title
Men Beyond Survival]
[Synopsis
Episode 205 — Inspired by “Men Beyond Survival,” this song delves into the real, often unspoken journeys of men searching for meaning, healing, and community in a world of shifting identities. Drawing from outdoors wisdom and the elemental power of a fire, it’s an anthem for letting go of performative strength and choosing honest connection. Grounded and emotionally direct, the track balances rawness with hope, urging us all to step out from behind the mask.]
[Vibe
Steady, gentle indie pop/alt-country blend. Acoustic guitar drives warmth; subtle lap steel, ambient pads and sunlit piano add depth. Female lead vocals, close harmonies, and organic percussion. A steady build from intimate reflection to broad, uplifting chorus, before a poignant, open-hearted bridge. Ends with fading campfire sounds and a resonant, hopeful final chorus.]
Lyrics
[Verse 1]
The cold wakes up with me, northern air on my skin,
Every scar and story written somewhere deep within.
We light a fire out back, let old hurt crackle and burn,
Somewhere between silence and smoke,
We take turns to learn.
[Instrumental – Light acoustic guitar, soft percussive brush, faint sparks of steel guitar]
[Verse 2]
There’s wisdom in the worry, in the weight we never speak,
We chop wood, let the splinters tell what words just can’t complete.
It’s not heroic — just honest,
Build a place for the quiet kind.
Don’t need to fix each other,
Just stay side by side.
[Pre-Chorus]
Isn’t it strange, all that’s passed down and bottled up?
Who told us survival was enough?
[Chorus]
You can rest your armour now,
Leave that Man Code in the flame.
Here around this circle, you belong —
You’re seen, you’re not strange.
When the night gets heavy and the world forgets your name,
There’s room for you beside me —
You’re not alone in the rain.
[Instrumental Break – Atmospheric pads, gentle electric riff, heartbeat kick drum]
[Verse 3]
Stacked storms behind the eyes, uncried tears in the dark,
Every win, every worry,
All become embers when we start.
Let’s make the journey out from silent pain,
No need to walk it on your own again.
[Bridge]
You don’t have to break to be brave,
Let’s build something good with bare hands and mistakes.
Even the quiet ones, even those that never say,
They matter just the same —
Let’s carry that weight.
[Chorus – Double Chorus, lifted]
You can rest your armour now,
Leave that Man Code in the flame.
Here around this circle, you belong —
You’re seen, you’re not strange.
When the night gets heavy and the world forgets your name,
There’s room for you beside me —
You’re not alone in the rain.
You can rest, you can breathe,
You can speak or just be.
By firelight and friendship’s grace,
You find your way back to peace.
[Instrumental/Fade Out – Campfire, soft guitar arpeggio, distant laughter, vocals gently echo: “You’re not alone in the rain…”]
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Together, they challenge the narrative that men must always speak about emotions in prescriptive ways, highlighting the nuanced value of presence, active listening, and non-verbal support within men's groups. The conversation critically examines the impact of performative wellbeing initiatives, the trope of the emotionally incompetent man, and why figures like Andrew Tate resonate with some disenfranchised men. In their exchange, Jo and Tom confront discomfort around modern masculinity, belonging, and why inclusive spaces must ensure that no one—including the stereotypically 'fine' man—is left behind.",,,,Mental Health, Wellbeing & Trauma,"Psychological Safety, Belonging, Authenticity, Community & Connection, Resilience","Mental Health & Wellbeing",Wellbeing & Resilience,"E205 – Men Beyond Survival",https://seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen,'E205 – Men Beyond Survival | An exploration of men's wellbeing and authentic connection through nature, adventure, and honest conversation. | Joanne Lockwood welcomes Tom Gold, a bushcraft instructor and life coach, to discuss what it means for men to move 'beyond survival.' They reflect on formative childhood experiences, intergenerational outdoor adventures, and how these shape trust, resilience, and connection. The episode probes whether contemporary society offers enough space for risk-taking, learning from failure, and developing authentic male relationships. Tom shares insights from his work with men recovering from addiction, illustrating the transformative power of nature-based activities to foster community and purpose.
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10 Thought-Provoking Insights from "Men Beyond Survival"
1. Rediscovering Adventure: The Value of Managed Risk for Boys and Men
Boys abseiling down a rugged quarry face
Father and sons building a campfire in woodland
Weathered, homemade rope swing over a wild river
2. Mental Fitness Through Nature: Bushcraft as More than Survival
Solitary figure journalling beneath a tarp in dense forest
Gripped hands lighting a fire with flint and steel
Close-up of weather-beaten hands carving wood by a crackling fire
3. The Timeless Power of Fire Circles: Social Connection Reimagined
Diverse group of men seated in a circle, fire glowing at the centre
Close-up of sparks flying into a dusky sky
Shadows reflected on faces illuminated only by flames
4. Embracing Silence: Why Not Every Man Needs to Speak to Belong
Man contemplatively splitting logs at a woodland camp
Empty bench by a lakeside at dawn
Campfire surrounded by objects but devoid of people (suggesting presence but not conversation)
5. When Fixing Isn’t the Answer: The True Art of Showing Up
Man with hand on another’s shoulder, a gesture of support amidst a workshop setting
Two men sitting side by side, heads bowed slightly, not speaking
Close-up of intertwined hands resting on a knee
6. The Myth of “Man Code”: Projected Strength and Its Hidden Toll
Man alone on a mountaintop, silhouetted against the sky
Old, battered diary with “Keep Calm” written inside
Cracked porcelain mask half-buried in autumn leaves
7. Performative Wellbeing: Beyond Kumbaya Circles and Forced Sharing
Group of men working together to build shelters rather than talking
Shot of a kettle suspended above a fire with hands busy in the background
Men hiking on a rugged trail, their focus on the path, not faces
8. Community Before Confession: Building Trust Organically
Men preparing food around a campfire
Group stacking wood together, laughing, backs turned to camera
Weathered wooden sign reading “Welcome” at forest entrance
9. Male Disenfranchisement: Understanding Why Some Men Feel Left Behind
Tattered St. George’s Cross draped from an urban flat window
Solitary figure standing at the edge of a protest or rally
A group of young men looking lost or contemplative in an urban park
10. The Call of Compelling Extremes: Who Really Listens to Angry Young Men?
Someone scrolling Andrew Tate content on a mobile phone, expression pensive
Crowd at a political demonstration—faces half-obscured by flags
Young men in hoodies, standing at dusk under urban lamplight, faces partially lit
Big Ideas from the Episode
Big Idea: Men Beyond Survival
This episode of Inclusion Bites interrogates the narrative around men’s mental fitness, emotional expression, and community, challenging the simplistic call for men “to talk more” by exploring the nuanced realities of how many men process, connect, and thrive.
Tom Gold, a bushcraft instructor and life coach, shares how outdoor, activity-based settings offer an effective, authentic space for men to build trust, develop resilience, and rediscover belonging—away from performative well-being and standard dialogue-centric interventions. The conversation, led by Joanne Lockwood, highlights the formative impact of immersive, practical adventure from childhood, and how these primal, shared experiences are vital for personal growth, emotional health, and family relationships.
The episode addresses:
The importance of risk, adventure, and nature-based experience in developing judgement, resilience, and trust.
How outdoor communal activities (e.g., gathering around a fire) offer men a culturally resonant model for support that doesn’t always rely on direct conversation, but values presence and non-verbal solidarity.
The limits of “talking as the answer”, especially for men more comfortable with action and reflection rather than open emotional disclosure.
Societal pressures on men around stoicism, “allyship”, and contemporary masculinity, with reflections on the unintended consequences of exclusion when inclusion efforts overlook white men or assume they are automatically “fine”.
The appeal of controversial male figures such as Andrew Tate, interpreted as a response to alienation and the search for autonomy, identity, and community outside mainstream inclusive narratives.
The resource ultimately argues for a broader, more inclusive view of male well-being—recognising the need for varied approaches that honour traditional masculinities alongside vulnerability, and the critical value of belonging, purpose, and active engagement for men’s mental health and inclusion.
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