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So adjust your earbuds and settle in. It's time to ignite the spark of inclusion with Inclusion Bites. And today is episode 114 with the title Kinks and All. And I have the absolute honor and privilege to welcome Sarah Naylor. Sarah is the businesswoman who, until last year, ran a recruitment agent and also a writer, author, and podcast host in her spare time, I guess. When I asked Sarah to describe her superpower, she said it is her ability to be herself, embracing all of her kinks, wrinkles, full boils, and constantly seeing the positives in everything. Hello, Sarah. Welcome to the show.

Hello, Jo, and thank you so much for inviting me along. Absolutely thrilled and honored to be here. It's absolutely brilliant. And when I just heard you repeating my intro then, I thought I ought to change that word because foibles sounds like furballs, and I generally don't have furballs.

But 4 boils are good. I it's a boils. Oh, I'm sorry. I used a bit.

4 boils. I don't have 4 boils either. It sounds like the old Ronnie Corbit sketch. Can I have 4 candles, please?

It's interesting you, you focus on the word 4 boils and not the word kinks. Wow. So tell me about this. Tell me about your kinks and all.

Oh, right. Well, I think, personally I mean, let me let me re rewind some, I don't know, 19 years or so post divorce as I embarked and recognized, I should say, the opportunity to kick start my life and recreate my life and have a second opportunity at it in this lifetime. And I kinda went on a a real fast track personal development journey. I felt like a sponge. I was, like, absorbing absolutely everything, and there was stuff that I'd always been aware of. But once, at the time, during my my sort of marriages, I wasn't aware of because of this the situation I found myself in. However, I started to embark on dating again in my my I'm in my twenties, in my forties, if you like, just saying yes to stuff and going out into the world, which I I I haven't done. Post having having had my son 6 years prior to getting divorced, I'd not been out.

I'd not got a social circle. I'd not got a network. And so I was really exploring everything, and that included me, who I was, who I am, and unlocking, you know, who who I am. And that is all your your kinks, your foibles, your furballs, your, you know, your wrinkles. And in terms of the kinks, you know, yeah. I mean, it's you know, let's let's start to talk about sex. Let's let's talk sex. Why not? You know, and understanding what turns you on, what what appeals to you.