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Joanne Lockwood
00:00:00 - 00:00:53
Hello, everyone. My name is Joanne Lockwood and I am your host for the Inclusion Bites Podcast. In this series, I have interviewed a number of amazing people and simply had a conversation around the subject of inclusion, belonging and generally making the world a better place for everyone to thrive. If you'd like to join me in the future, then please do drop me a line to jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk, that's S-E-E Change Happen dot co dot uk. You can catch up with all of the previous shows on itunes, Spotify and the usual places. So plug in your headphones, grab a decaf and let's get going. Today is Episode 89 with the title Unearthing Potential beyond the Resume.
Joanne Lockwood
00:00:53 - 00:01:24
And I have the absolute honour and privilege to welcome Sara Dalsfeld. Sara is the Chief Marketing Officer at Adway. Adway are a talent attraction suite, a consciously inclusive platform that is built to find hard to reach talent on social media. And when I asked Sara to describe her superpower, she said she unapologetically dares to be herself and walks the talk. Hello, Sara, welcome to the show.
Sara Dalsfelt
00:01:25 - 00:01:28
Hello, Jo. Thank you for having me on the show.
Joanne Lockwood
00:01:29 - 00:01:41
We met several years ago. I think I did an adway podcast or live stream with you and we just went in the green room, weren't we? That was four or five years ago, early COVID.
Sara Dalsfelt
00:01:41 - 00:02:07
Yeah, I just looked back. You were on my LinkedIn live show, 2019, I believe, and we did a fabulous episode. You can still rewatch it, everyone, for listening. In English it was called is hiring for diversity hiring for second best? And we unpacked what conscious inclusion means in Practise for hiring teams. It's still a really good topic, a really good show. And that's how we met, I believe, through the TA community.
Joanne Lockwood
00:02:08 - 00:02:15
It was last year. Yeah, we did on the adway stand, yeah.
Sara Dalsfelt
00:02:15 - 00:02:30
Brilliant. Yeah. I've been a fan of yours ever since, Joanne. Like what you do for the space, who you are, the knowledge you bring, the perspectives. I recommend you to everyone I stumble across for Conscious Inclusive hiring tactics.
Joanne Lockwood
00:02:30 - 00:02:40
For those of you can't see, because this is a podcast, I've gone bright red, I'm blushing, I'm all over the place. This fangirl stuff is hard to take. Fangirls.
Sara Dalsfelt
00:02:41 - 00:02:43
You have to take it in. You're an important voice.
Joanne Lockwood
00:02:43 - 00:02:52
Thank you. So, Unearthing Potential and so what is beyond the resume? Can we bin the resume?
Sara Dalsfelt
00:02:52 - 00:03:44
Yeah. For me, I believe we're heading into a time where candidates almost will start questioning employers in why they're assessing their potential based on a piece of paper. I believe we're almost there. Where? Well, the CV is, for most employers now, even ancient, but it's still used, right. It's a traditional hiring tactic, but in a very near future, candidates will start questioning, how is this even relevant to assessing my readiness, my potential and my transferable skills? So everything is beyond the resume? Everything is beyond the CV. The person, the potential the people is beyond the CV. So it's just an easy way for employers to weed out what's not relevant to them and it holds a lot of bias into the process.
Joanne Lockwood
00:03:45 - 00:04:02
Don't you find that many traditional hiring managers, employers, they've got this kind of scared they're scared, aren't they? They start twitching if you say we can't have a CV. And they go how can I find out about people if I don't have their CV?
Sara Dalsfelt
00:04:02 - 00:04:27
Minds are blown. Minds are blown. I'm here to tell you there's never been a time where there's more tools, more tech, more solutions, more everything to assess potential as early as possible in the hiring funnel. And for me, Joanne, it all comes down to if you're not consciously including, you are most likely unconsciously excluding.
Joanne Lockwood
00:04:27 - 00:04:31
That's definitely one of my sayings. I've used that. So yeah, it's so true.
Sara Dalsfelt
00:04:31 - 00:04:59
There's so very few people building that in to their talent attraction or talent acquisition strategy or hiring strategy. It's still just a saying, it's a good quote on the fridge. But we're here to say you have to consciously build it in to your tech stack or your strategy or anything in order when you go to find talents, it has to be built in, otherwise you are most likely excluding are organisations.
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