BBB Podcast #46 [Podcast Season 2] Gabrielle Hayes
Hey there. Welcome to the show, Gabrielle. I'm so happy to have you today. I can't wait to have a conversation with you. And today was actually the 1st time we met in person.
Yes. I'm so excited. We've been connected You're kind of this weird spider web in multiple ways, so it's exciting to actually get to meet with you.
I know. I know. It's it's funny when you start, like, you know you know so many people online, but, like, never had the conversation. And I love it when, like, like, I'm a people person, and I love having conversations with people. And, like, you get to connect more. Right? And you get to know the other person and what what they do and everything, and it's just helpful to remember, you know, in such a busy busy place of all of these entrepreneurs. Right?
Yeah. And I think, you know, I'm finding too so many of us, even despite living completely different lives, have so many things in common that you just don't know until you sit down and start to have a proper conversation.
I know. I know. It's fine. Like, every time I, like, start talking to someone, it's like, you know, you I have never expectations because I always, like, wherever the conversation takes me. Right? And then, you know, you you kind of, like, found these you find these, like, mutual things that you have in common or, you know, like, I don't know, just stop. Right? And it's just so cool to be able to that's why I love so much, like, doing the podcast because I get to meet so many amazing people that I never kind of, like, you know, would have a conversation with if I didn't. Right?
Yeah. It's incredible. I I love casting has done for just networking and being able to meet new people. Yeah. I
you know what I was thinking the other day too? I'm like, should have, like, a, like, a few people on the podcast. Like, how fun would that be? Right?
Oh, like a panel. That'd be fun.
Yeah. Yeah. I love panels. Panels are awesome. Just finish my summit. I'm coming coming up of a summit with panels. Anyway, enough about that. But today, we're gonna talk about fully embracing your superpowers to make your business yours.
And I love this so much. I love this topic, and I think that, you know, if there was, like, a sort of business school that we could have when we start our businesses, this is definitely something that needs to be, like, at the top of the list. Right? Besides yeah. But before we get started, Gabrielle, I'd love for you to introduce yourself.
Yeah. Certainly. So my name is Gabrielle Hayes. I am a project manager turned product manager by trade, and so that sent me down a really windy career path, that also sent my businesses through quite a few twists and turns, which is how I kinda got to this learning to embrace my superpower and then turning around to teach others to do that also, because I think it's something we should do sooner in life rather than later. I'm also a wife. I'm a mom. I was telling Julie before we started recording, I'm starting to embrace kind of full digital nomad life and seeing what that looks like. So that's been a fun adventure this year.
And I just love, you know, much like you, Julie, getting to meet, Especially other women in business because, you know, I truly believe we do business differently, and I truly believe we embrace taking care of others in a different away. And so it's exciting to me to just continue to see more and more women step into their entrepreneurial spirit.
I love it. Who knows? Maybe you'll move to Costa Rica, and we'll be neighbors.
Hey. Nothing's off the table for us, so you never know.
You never know. You never know. Right? And that's I think it's the beauty of it. Right? Like, it's the same thing with business. Like, you just never know where your your business is gonna bring you. And so I think that it's so important to be open, right, to receiving messages, right, from the universe and stuff like that. Like because sometimes you get thrown into you get thrown like, you get a curve ball or you get thrown into a different direction, and and it's I think it's important to embrace that and to explore sometimes. Right? Because sometimes what we think we're gonna do end up being completely different.
Yeah. Certainly. I mean, I run 2 separate businesses, and both of them have taken multiple pivots or iterations. And there would be a point in time in my life where I would feel like that in itself was a failure. Right? Like, I launched this business, and I didn't launch it with the right thing or I didn't launch it the right way. But instead, I think it's freedom to say, I'm not married to any decision that I can't look at other alternatives. And so it's been fun because it's like, I'm never doing the same thing every day because it's it's always changing, and I'm always learning.
Yeah. You know what I love? Like, I was talking to my one of my really good friends, and she's in Canada, and my son's in Canada right now, and she took him out for shopping and lunch and everything. And she said to me she said, you know, she said, Cameron's so cute. And she said She said, you know, he's living day by day, just living in the now and not focusing and worrying about what the future is gonna bring. I'm like, I'm like, wow. My 18 year old already thinks like that. How amazing is that? Right? And and how Incredible. Would it be that more of us can do that and instead of worrying about what the future holds and just being in the now.
Yeah. Oh, that's so incredible for him. Like, I I think about all the years of my life that I I say I missed. You know? Obviously, I was there. I was present, but I was so worried about what was next, and I was so worried about focusing on this certain success metric or hitting this certain goal that I missed out on really accepting and enjoying my life. And so I love that your son's already doing that. And my middle child, she's 6, And we kind of have to say the same thing about her. Like, we just did this social media series about Liv that we call her Sassy, live like Sassy week.
Because everything she does is just hear and now and almost daily, she'll tell me this is the best day ever. And I'm like, yes. It is. As long as you make it that way, girl, it's whatever day you want have to be that that's so cute. I wanna meet Sassy. Yeah. She is fun for sure.
Yeah. So okay. But then there's, like, the whole societal norms of being told we're too much. And, right, like, so how can we, like, overcome that and truly embrace our superpowers?
Yeah. I think, you know, 1, you have to be honest with yourself. That one, you know, you you probably are gonna show up different then societal norms. And you have to be okay with that. You know, I personally I always said I have a confidence issue because I struggled with that so much because I just wanted to be like everyone else. Everyone else is making friends or doing good in their business, so I always thought I had to be like them. But I will tell you there was an incredible freedom when I finally said f it. I don't care.
I am who I am, and I'm proud of her. So if I'm proud of her, everyone else can be, or you can get out of the way.
You know Preach, girl. Preach.
Yeah. And I think on top of that too, it's accepting that you're ever evolving. You know? For me, in particular, I found human design this year, and that completely form how I show up in my own life, but also how I show up in my business. Because now I understand why I I think the way I do or why I react the way I do. And so, you know, I think being open to other conversations or other experiences that you may not have been brought up or you may not have ever seen may really be the key to saying, like, that light bulb moment, to realizing why you are who you are.
Isn't human design amazing? That's you you talk about that and bring it up because same with me. Like, I was able to, wow, like, learn so much about me and and and, you know, acknowledge and accept the way I do things in life and in business. And so it's so much easier now to, like, let go of stuff that we feel bad about or guilty or whatever. Right? But I was talking to Abby, Abigail, and and we were talking about human design. Just last week, we I had the the podcast interview with her. So it's so cool that you bring it up, but it's really it can really open up your eyes and and, you know, give you a new perspective on who you are and the way that we are kind of, I guess, designed to do things. And some sometimes if something comes up, right, like, I'll be like, no. It's not my human design.
This is how I do it. It's not in my DNA.
Yep. Yeah. And I think, you know, for me, the biggest thing was awareness, you know, awareness and how I show up in awareness and how I react. Like, I was a super highly reactive person, and I still am very type a, so I still am working on that. But, you know, and it doesn't have to be human design. You know, I I'm certainly aware that for some people, that's too woo woo or that's too, like, way out there. But find what it is that you're willing to, like, explore because the more awareness you have over who you are and how you show up in situations. It really helps you to transform, you know, how you kind of continue to show up in the world.
And it makes you just wanna keep growing because then you start to see, like, oof, I didn't show up the way I wanted to in that situation. Now I know how I can do it different next time around.
I love that. I love it. I'm like I'm like listening to you, and at the same time, I'm watching Oreo in the background.
Oh my gosh, Oreo. What a sweet name for him.
I'd love that. He's black and white. Right?
Look. He's like you're talking about me, mom. Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Back to it. So how embrace the blend of your personal and professional life now that you're a business owner. Because, you know, sometimes, like, we start our businesses, and then we're like, life is busy enough. Like, how do we embrace it and blend. Do you know what I mean?
Yeah. You know, I think it's it's definitely hard, and I, you know, never wanna negate that. When I talk to people who are considering going out on their own or starting their own business, you know, there is a reality to the hardness have what we do. And for me, one of the hardest challenges was boundaries with my own self. You know, there wasn't and I know with remote work, a lot of us went through this anyway. Right? Like, Work is now home with you, so you just can work whenever. But then when it's your business, I think it's, like, next level. Because Even if I don't have anything to work on at night, my ideas are flowing.
My thoughts are flowing. I'm getting into creative vibe. And so I think the hardest challenge for me around keeping barriers was, 1, making sure that I was intentionally scheduling family time. And for some people that might feel too rigid, but for me, I needed my mind to be like, okay. This is like another meeting on your calendar. You are out of this situation and moving into this other situation. But on the flip side of that, the beauty of owning my own business means If I want that family time to be at 10 AM on a Wednesday, it can be. It doesn't have to just be at 4 o'clock in the afternoon when everyone's coming back school craziness.
You know? So it's like I I do appreciate that freedom and that flexibility, and I will tell you one of my my proudest moments is that I built both of my businesses very publicly with my kids around. They knew what was going on. They knew I would be traveling for work or working long hours. And this summer, my 12 year old won his 1st CEO pitch competition, and now he's won more money in pitch competitions than I have. And so, you know, I'm really proud to see that entrepreneurial spirit carry on because I've shown them, yes, it's hard, but it's definitely rewarding and worth it.
Yeah. And it's totally worth it. Right? Like, especially if you figure out, like, what what your superpower is and what you are passionate about. And when you're passionate about doing the thing, like, whatever your business is, it just I see where it can get so easy to, like, get all of these ideas and right. Like and it's just that we're creative beings. Right? And so we have multi passionate, right, most of us, and and and the ideas just kinda flow when we sit there in the shower or when we go to bed or when we're doing dishes or whatever. But, also, I love what you say. Right? Like, it's so important to set proper boundaries.
And, you know, when you leave your computer because sometimes your office may be in the living room or it might be in the kitchen or it might be in the bedroom, right, to actually turn it off. Like, and I don't mean, like, turn it off with the button. I mean, like, turn it off in your brain. Right? Like, shut it off. Like, usually, like, on the weekends, I It's off. Like, it's it's shut off. Like, do I occasionally think about it? Of course. And then sometimes it's like, you know, if if my husband's gone golfing or whatever, I'm like, oh, this would be a good time to, you know, do a little bit of work or but I save that time for, like, projects that are more fun, you know, like designing or whatever.
Like, wherever your creative creativity lies. Right? I don't have small children anymore. So for me, you know, that's kind of like my mommy time. Right? But for you, you you're you're you still have little ones. So for you, that might look completely different. And I think that that's okay. Like, it's allowing yourself to be okay with shutting it off, but also if you feel like working on the weekend, do it. Like, there's nothing wrong with that.
Right? But setting boundaries is so important because we we see it all the time. Right? Like, people live in their businesses, and that's not healthy either. Right?
Yeah. And I will say too, you know, I came from, you know, leadership positions in the corporate world before I went out on my own. And so, honestly, one of the best things that it took me months months months to finally accept was no one was looking for me. So, like, if I went out to dinner, you know, even before when I wasn't at work, I'd have my phone with Slack readily available in case anyone needed me. Know? So it's like, I was never there at dinner, or I was never there when we were mini golfing or whatever it was. But now it's like, no one's looking for me. So I can literally leave my phone in the car or leave it at home or, like, it just doesn't matter. And so I think that's another benefit of a business that, Like, we don't talk about because so much of it's like, well, yeah, you have to work 247.
Well, of course, you do. It's yours. You own it. You're responsible for it. But that also means, you know, no one's looking for you 247 to respond to their messages constantly, which is nice.
Yeah. And honestly, normally, most of the time, probably 99.9% of the time, nothing's an emergency. Right?
Yeah. I, you know, I come in from the product development background with software, and, you know, that's in in general, I think a pretty high intense, you know, industry. And I would tell my teams all the time. We're not doing heart surgery here, people. Like, someone is not literally dying on our table. Someone may lose some money. Yeah. Someone's ego may get hurt.
Someone may be pissed off. But in general, like, we are not affecting people's lives. So, like, just take a step back and breathe for a minute. You know?
Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, with the proper email, reply, Right? You can set it up and have your boundaries in there. Right? Like like, just say, you know, you check your emails once a day. That's in the morning, and It's, you know, whatever time and you don't on the weekends. Like, it's okay to do that. Right?
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, to
be honest. You share that message, Julie, because I think also I mean, even if you're still in the corporate world, many times I, you know, think about maybe going back at some point, And I think that's really important. You know, we've been conditioned. Some of it our own choices, I think, but, like, we've been conditioned to be Always available and always responsive. And I love that you bring that up, Julie, because I'm seeing it more and more too, like, especially more creative industries. Their email will say, my standard response time is 48 hours. You know, if you need something you get ahold of me, but please don't expect that I'm responding right away. And I'm always like, yes.
Kudos for, like, explaining how it really is. You know?
I know. And I've even seen I've even seen, and my coach does this. In her email notification, her email reply, it says, if you're contacting me about the podcast, I'm not taking applications or whatever. You can add whatever you wanna tell people into you. Like like, if you get the same questions often enough or if you don't take guests to be on your podcast or if you're you know, like, you you can put that in your reply. Right?
Yeah. That out of office message, auto send, has a lot more benefits than just telling people you're on vacation.
Exactly. So use it. But it's so easy to set our boundaries in there, and I don't know that not a lot of people do that. And, actually, now that we're talking about this. I think I should modify mine. But, note yourself. Right? Right. But you know what? That's important too.
And and some of you listening, you know, you might be coaches already or you might be, like, a coach in the making. You're gonna become a coach or start coaching packages or whatever that looks like. You Please do not be available for your clients all the time. Like, I've the coaches that I've worked with are available, like, typically, once a day, like, if there's Voxer, you know, or email or however you communicate with your clients. You know? Make that clear to them. And they're not gonna say, oh my god. Well, I'm not gonna work with you because you're not available 247. Right? Like, that doesn't happen.
You respect them enough, like, as an as a as a the student to who of the the person of the coach who hires the coach. Right? You you're like, okay. Cool. Like, I know that, you know, if I ask her a question at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, chances are I'm probably not gonna get a reply till tomorrow. Right? Expect that, you know, your coaches or even, you know, group programs and stuff like that. Like, you know, they don't call 247 and nor should you be. Right? It's okay to set clear, like, boundaries around the times that you're gonna be checking in with your students or your clients. Right?
Yeah. And I think, you know, the key to what you just shared, right, is expectation setting. I think, also, as you're going into this, especially if you're just launching your business or getting ready to launch your business, you just set that expectation out of the gate. This is how you commune this is how we communicate together. This is when I'm available. This is how you reach me, whatever it may be. Because 9 times out of 10, like you said, people are not gonna choose not to work with you because they can't contact you 247, but they will get pissed off if they think they have that access And they go to message you and they don't get a response. But if you've set the expectation out of the gate, this is this is how, you know, how you reach me, this is how often I respond, Then they know when they send a message, they know what to expect.
So there's, like, that anger or that frustration tends to go away.
Yeah. And you know what? For reals, like, also, they're humans, and stuff happens. Right? So if you're a coach And you're having a bad day or you're sick or it's your husband's birthday and you're taking the day off, you are allowed.
Take it off. Like, actually be off. Be unavailable and go and enjoy yourself.
Exactly. Or your kid's birthday or whatever. Or you just wanna take the day off and go shopping, like or go to the spa. You, it's your business, your rules. Go do the thing if you wanna do the thing. Right now, I'm not saying do that every day, but, like, you know, we have to give our clients some some some of us.
My husband's funny too. Like, he's even learned if it's, like, 2, 3 o'clock, and I'm like, I'm out. I'll be back in a couple hours. He's like, oh, it's been a day. She just needs to go walk around Clyde or she's gonna go get her nails done or she's gonna just go look at TJ Maxx or whatever it may be. Right? But he's like, okay. She's doing what she needs to cope through what's gone on, and then then she'll be back to normal normal programming. And It's nice because, yeah, you have that freedom as long as you set those expectations.
Yeah. Exactly. Okay. I you know, I was saying Gabrielle at first, but it's Gabrielle. Right?
Yep. You got it. And and I don't know
saying Gabrielle. I I I was like, I'm French. Right? So Gabrielle makes more sense.
You were just Trying to fit it in the American way.
Yes. You know? Okay. So what is your top tip for someone to get started as a business owner? Because, you know, some of us and even if you I think this applies to you even if you started your business, but you're not really going anywhere. Like, I think this applies to to all of us or if you're, like, pivoting in your business. Right? Like, this can apply as well.
Yeah. Absolutely. And I just went through a big pivot myself literally just a month ago, so I feel that very deeply. But my best tip is honestly just get out there and do it. I am a firm believer, and there are no true failures. There are just lessons From whatever you think you may have failed from. And so every decision that I made leading up to launching my business or leading up to my pivot, Those decisions were made from the data or the information that I had available at the time, but that doesn't mean that I made a wrong decision. I just did what I you know, the best I could with what I had.
And so, you know, I will say don't put that pressure on yourself to Feel like you have to know every package you're gonna offer, every pricing you're gonna offer, every way you're gonna communicate with your clients. Like, there's so much flexibility and freedom. And, you know, to me, I I come from this, you know, product background where everything's an experiment. So I always say, like, take advantage that you're this small, tiny business that can pivot really quickly, and you don't need everyone's buy in, and you don't need the whole world to sign off on it. And so you actually have a huge advantage to just get out there and get started and keep learning as you go.
Yeah. I love that. And and learning as we go. That's so important. Right? Because you can never stop learning. Right? Like, our businesses, our websites, everything that we do life. Right? It's one of those things that's gonna keep evolving. We're gonna keep getting better.
We're gonna learn new skills. It's like a revolving door. Right? Like, and and never feel bad because you think you should have it figured out by now and you don't. Because I don't think that we ever do. Right? Because, like, when you get to a place where you think you may have it together, something else pops up, and it's like, oh, okay. Right? Like so it's important to, I think, let go of the outcome. And like we were saying earlier, like, live in the now. Right? Like, be present and live in the now and do the things that feel in alignment and get out there and do it.
I think that too many of us spend so much time, and I love that Denise Ditti says this in her book. She says, you Procasti brand. Right? We spent all I know. She says it, and I'm like, oh my god. This is hilarious because I am guilty of that. Right? Like, working on your website until it's perfect or on a sales page or right? Plus, I'm a graphic like, I'm a I'm not a graphic designer, but I'm an artist. Like, I'm a I'm, like, really visual. Right? So beautiful things is like me.
Right? But I've learned that I cannot spend all of my time working on a sales page. I will come back to it. I get it to good enough, and I get it out there and do the things and make the sales. Right? Because if we spent all of our time behind the scenes doing the things that we think are gonna bring us money, but we're not actually out there sharing, doing, selling, right, like you said. Then, you know, we're gonna get we're gonna get upset because, you know, success is not coming as fast as we wanted to. We we start comparing, and we get stalk and all the things. Right?
Yeah. I just actually was at a conference last week, and there was a graphic designer who was talking about websites. And she just, like, make this statement, and it hit me in my soul. Because I too like, I get lost in the pretty and, like, okay. I'll just keep tweaking on Canva for 800 days if you let me, you know. But she said, your website's never done. Literally never done. You should keep changing it as you get more responses from clients or more feedback.
You should be changing it all the time be using the words that they're using or changing with the industry. And I know that's a silly statement, but it was almost like this pass for me. And it was like, okay. You're right. It's okay that I released it, and I didn't love it or I wasn't in love with the exact design. But is the information there? Can someone make a decision with it? Do they know how to contact me? Like, are the basics there? Great. Then I'll just keep working on it in my free time.
Exactly. And that's what I do too. And and, actually, like, if you're like me, and it sounds like you're like me, Gabrielle, I think that, you know, working on my website is actually a reward. Right?
Yeah. When I did my rebrand, I remember building my website, and I just was like, The words the words are perfect. You know? Like, it's literally conveying what I wanted to convey, and it's sing what I'm in alignment with. And, yes, it's like this reward to see it's a very physical visual version of your superpowers, And so it's fun to see that come to life.
Awesome. Okay. So last question. Have you always fully embrace your superpowers in your business. But, you know, like, let's go back a little bit. Like, what do you mean by your superpowers in your business.
Yeah. So for me, what that means is allowing This very personal, healing side of me to enter my business And, you know, a prime example of have I always embraced that and and versus now, no. I didn't. When I first launched my business, I launched as a consulting firm because I was working full time at a consulting firm, and I was like, oh, well, I can do this on my own. And I did. And for 2 years, it was very successful. I had, You know, amazing clients, but something was still missing because my superpower is real in my eyes, is really the ability to empower empower someone to embrace what they want to become. And for me, a career is important.
So I married those 2 things. I married this, you know, very professional technical industry that I really love with telling people you have a choice. You have a choice in how you show up. You have a choice in what kind of job you take. You have a choice on what your career path looks like, and then let's find wear those 2 things marry and grow together. But I'll tell you, I had to go through that myself first before I was willing and able to help others. Because otherwise, I was just showing up consulting, but I wasn't changing things for these teams. Right? Like, I was maybe making their process better or helping them get a release out the door, But I wasn't making an impact, and that's what's important to me.
But for other people, getting the software released, That is their impact. That is their superpower. That is what they love. And so, like, that's what I want people to know is it's Hey. Even if you have 2 people with the exact same job sitting next to each other, you 2 are gonna show up differently because you're different human beings. And that's what makes teams incredible because we have all these different personalities and traits that come together that make us whole.
Awesome. I love that. And I think too, I'm just thinking about, like, people who are still trying to figure out what that is. That's okay. Right? Like, it's okay to not know at this right moment right now. I think that sometimes by just going out there and doing things that fuel us, it will come to us. Right? Like, it will happen.
Yeah. Certainly. And that's how I created the career alignment blueprint. And I think you're gonna share the link, but that's exactly what I created it for. Is because so many of us what is the you know, you grow up, get married, have kids, buy a house, get this career, grow it forever, you know, and then retire. And not that there's anything wrong with any hire. And not that there's anything wrong with any step of that equation, except there's 1 giant piece missing. Intentionality.
Did you slow down enough to decide what you actually want to be when you grow up in quotations? Right? And so that's exactly what I did is I encourage people to slow down, spend reflective time with yourself, and spend time thinking about what are your core values, what roles are you carrying in your life now, and are they roles you want to continue carrying, and how do you want to show up? And I think once you do that, and then you're really comfortable with yourself and who you are, Then you can start to say, okay. I want a job that's fast paced, high, you know, high stress environment maybe because when I'm home, I'm very opposite. Or maybe it's the opposite way around. Home is very stressful for me right now. So when I go to work, I need slower pace, you know, like And, also, like you said, it's okay if you don't know it now, and it's also okay if it changes. Like, none of us have to pick this career and stay in it forever. You're allowed to grow, and you're allowed to to pick a career that grows with
you. Mhmm. I love that. So let's talk about the career alignment blueprint because you just talked about that. And I'm like, oh, that's a perfect segue into sharing that. So, yes, definitely, the link to that will be in the show notes, so make sure you download it. But so what is your blueprint?
Yeah. So it's, again, it's kind of this reflective journal that I've put together from The questions that I've had to ask myself and help my clients ask themselves to really figure out what career is right for them. And so the goal is, you know, some people run through it in an entire day. Some people do a section a day. You know, it's kind of whatever feels Adaptable to you and how much time you wanna spend with it. And really, it's just this place to kinda get out of your own heart and your own mind and really get it out on paper as to who you are and who you wanna be. And then at the very end of it, you kinda go through all these roles, and you come out with this prioritize list. Let's say these roles, a, I wanna keep them in my life, and, b, they bring me good positive feelings, so I'm gonna prioritize those in my life.
And And then you may have some that are, like, they're necessities, but they have negative feelings. Oftentimes, that's a job. Right? Like, I need a job, but I don't love what I'm doing. So then it really encourages you to, like, pay attention to that. How is that job making you feel, and now what changes can we make to transform that? Sometimes it's Same company, different jobs. Sometimes it's different industry altogether. There's lots of things. So you kinda leave with this prioritized list How do you start showing up in this world to really support your happiness and your joy?
Awesome. I love it. So I'll have the link to that in the show notes, so make sure you download that. So, Gabrielle, this has been such an awesome conversation. I love everything that we talked about, and I'm sure we could go on for for all day because it's that 1 topic that you can just not talk about nonstop. Right? But, hey, if people are totally, you know, feeling the vibes with you. Where can we find you, and how can we work with you?
Yeah. Certainly. So I'm most active on LinkedIn, so you can find me there, Gabriela Hayes. I'm also on Instagram at highly.inclusitive. And so there's couple ways, obviously, starting with the alignment blueprint is what I'm gonna recommend everyone to do, and that's free. So please, by all means, do that. And then if you feel like you need more 1 on 1 support as you're preparing for career change or jobs. I do a lot of interview prep and resume and LinkedIn, you know, changes for people's profile, so that's how I often work with most of my clients.
Awesome. And I'll have the links to all of that in the show notes as well. So so make sure you you give Gabrielle a follow. And, you know, also, just tell us that you if you enjoyed this episode, we wanna hear from you. So thanks again, Gabrielle. It's been so nice chatting with you today.
Thanks, Julie. I had such a great time with you.
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Castmagic is the best way to generate content from audio and video.

Full transcripts from your audio files. Theme & speaker analysis. AI-generated content ready to copy/paste. And more.