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Thank you so much. Today our guest is Daniel Pata and our topic is Return to the Origin Using Earth for the future. Daniel is a Colombian architect and was born in Socorro Centadar, a small town with a rich history. He is the leader of the Rammed Earth Collective, an international design build collaborative advancing earthen architecture. His practice blends traditional tapia posada with contemporary design to create low carbon place rooted buildings through Ciudad Insecto Estudio and Rammed Earth Columbia. Daniel designs, documents and teaches earth and construction across Latin America. His work focus on craft, climate resilience and dignified housing that grows from the colors and the soils of each site. Daniel, welcome to AwarePreneurs.

Thanks for having me, Paul. It's a pleasure for me. I hope that you can understand my English. I'm trying to speak slowly and fluid as well.

Your English is so much better than my Spanish. I wish my Spanish was that good. Daniel. And let's do a big shout out. This episode came from a big shout out to the Medellin contingent. I was in Medellin this summer and we did a great impact meetup there and just my brother Craig Zelizer and sister in law Catalina Rojas lived there and they put on an impact meetup and one thing led to another. Somebody, Oscar, we see you. Big shout out introduced us and when I heard about your work, I couldn't wait to have you on the show.

But a big shout out to everybody who's doing amazing things in Colombia.

Thank you. Thank you. Medellin, it's beautiful. I love Medellin. I'm from Socorro Santander and I work in Barichara for the last 21 years. But Medellin, I love Medellin, you know, it's an amazing city, the people. It's incredible. Yeah, it's beautiful.

It's beautiful, beautiful.

So, Daniel, talk to us a little bit about your origin story. What first got you interested in Rammed Earth as the medium for your social impact? And how did that lead to forming the Rammed Earth Collective?

Okay, well, I discovered the Ram Earth when I finished my stories in architecture. A friend of my parents asked me about if I want. I know the Tapia Pisada. It's the name in Spanish for the ramp earth I said, yes, I'm the best architect, the best around earth architect. But I didn't knew the technique. I saw the antiques houses town Socorro, but in the university I saw antique constructions. But sometimes the students just want still, you know, the modernisms and forget some of that part of the our culture, our beginners, our traditions. But I said, yeah, I.

I went to the library, I take a copy from a book for Gernot Mine. Como construiren tierra. It's the name in Spanish. He's a German architect. And I wrote the book and went to Barichara in a bus and I saw three guys close to the road run it a small wall. And I said, hey guys, you can teach me about that technique. And they said, of course, give me your, your shoes. And just put in the, the, the, the fits in the, in the, in the earth.

And some in my head make a click, you know. And I work for, with them for the, for one month. I think it's so beautiful. My beginners in. In ram earth.

Beautiful. So somebody said, hey, we have this idea of doing a project about, you know, rammed earth building project. Do you know anything about it? And you said, yeah. And then you quickly found somebody who knew a little bit more than you, a lot more than you. You apprentice yourself to them and suddenly you were in the rammed earth business. Is that pretty much sound like the story?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you know, I.

It's.

It's different than another kind of system that you learn in the university. It's completely different. You know, we don't have columns, we don't have concrete. We don't have many things that the modern architecture or modern construction say that say. And you know, I need to forget some of my knowledge about the construction to permit the new knowledge about the ram earth.

Yeah. I live in New Mexico and we have what we think is the oldest continually inhabited building in North America, which is Taos Pueblo. The Pueblos in New Mexico are the native communities. And it's built out of adobe. It's not rammed earth, but it is an earth brick called adobe in New Mexico. And Taos Pueblo is that people have been living in the same building for a thousand years. And it's lived very well for a thousand years. And not much in the United States of America is a thousand years old.

We're a relatively new country. So. But same thing. Like it doesn't have a lot of the elements of modern construction. No pillars, doesn't use concrete. There's all mud and wood. The entire structure that's lasted for a thousand years. It's made out of mud and wood.

Yeah. The technique came to Colombia with the people of North Africa. You know, it is different than United States, Peru and Mexico, because at the first time, the people of North Africa bring us a ramp earth tradition and not the adobe tradition.

Sure.

Okay. Okay. This is the reason, because in Santander, in Barichara, it's my, it's. The city where I live for the last 20 years doesn't forget, you know, it's at today you can find 20 or projects at the same time in Ram Earth. It's, it's, it's beautiful.

Beautiful. So when was this that you got the idea for Rammed Earth Collective and started to launch it?

Okay. I was trying to make a perfect soil. The investigation at the first time for 15 years. I think I worked alone in the process because nobody believes in that system. You know, I trying to get clients. The clients say, hey, you can prove in, in this wall if you want, but if you don't doing right, you need to pay me for the, for the, for the repairs or things like that, you know. But I think I, Seven years ago, I think, oh, I need the partners who help me in this industry, like financial things, you know, Mercadeo Investigations. And this is the reason, because I found that I, I changed Ramp Earth Colombia to Ramp Earth Collective.

And I, I, I find two partners, three partners, I think. Hugo in Houston, Texas, Andrea in Dominican Republic, and Jessica here in Medellin. Okay. And we are a collect, a collective who works together. And this is the team with Ferral Diseno. The last week we participated in, in the Federal di Seno. And it was amazing. It was unbelievable.

Beautiful. So it was about 15 years ago you started with the idea of doing a rammed earth focused building and architecture firm. And one of the questions I always ask people is the early challenges. And you started to talk about them like, early on, people were like, well, you can do that wall over there. But I don't know about building my whole house out of rammed earth like you. You ran into some, shall we say, reluctance or maybe skepticism. Like, how did you navigate when clients were, you know, that it sounded like they were interested, but they were nervous. Is that fair to say?

Yeah, yeah. Because, because, you know, the people have some. It's afraid about the, about the soil, you know, because it's not concrete, it's not the same. And the people forget. Build your house in that material. I think Barichara doesn't have that kind of problem because It's a historical 400 years town. And the people know the technique. But the most difficult part, it's when I trying to go to Bogota, to go to United States, to go to Mexico, to go to Medellin, because the people, hey, this is, this is an old system.

But I don't want to, I don't, I don't want to build my house in this material because, you know, you have problem with, with beaches. I don't know, how do you say in English, bugs. And. And the people have some crackers all the time. This is the reason. Because I 21 years, I. I started with investigation, okay. I was trying to.

I have a motivation. Motivation was a sustainability. I want to design house are beautiful, but healthy for the people and healthy for the planet. You know what I mean?

Yeah.

And one of the reason that for the last 20 years, I love that technique is because I use the soil on the side. You know, it's unbelievable. I don't need to go to the store, to the store like a Home Depot or things like that. And BO materials. I just use the soil and the soil when if you finish your. Your wall, you can put it into again into the earth and to the ecosystem, and that's it. You don't have zero contamination.

You started 20, 21 years ago. And, and as you were hitting these concerns about bugs and cracks and water, these things that people were nervous that this is a old system and maybe it doesn't translate well to modern life. Right. I think one of the things I hear you saying is that you, you remembered why you were doing it. Right. It was about sustainability for the people and about sustainability for the planet, and that, that helped you be persistent. Like, I'm going to be stubborn about this because this is the right thing to do. Is that fair to say, Daniel?

Yeah. Yeah. But one important thing, it's the luxury. Redefine the luxury. You know, if you have a beautiful earth world, Earth finished earth floor without crackers, without a box, using technology, the people say, hey, I want this because this is a luxury. This is luxury. With the tradition, with the thick system. This is one of the reason for the act, for the success about my career in ramped Earth.

Yeah. So one of your strategies was taking something that people would be worried would feel less than a modern house would feel not as luxurious and to really bring care and craft to it so that it was a beautiful finished product. Is that fair to say?

Yeah. Yeah. Because ramped earth, it's compressed earth walls. You put soil in lodgers inside a farm you know, and compact it strongly. This is the first step to do a ramp earth. But the mix needs to contain a perfect percent about earth, clay, sand and water. You know, you need to, to. It's.

It's when it's like a chef to prepare and design beautiful plate.

Beautiful. So you really worked with that recipe to find a recipe that would have results that people would say, wow, I want that. As opposed to it a detriment, something hard to sell. You got the craft down so that the results were so beautiful that people wanted that construction technique not just because it was sustainable, not just because it was healthy for humans and the planet, but because it was just really beautiful. Is that what I'm hearing?

Yeah. If you are putting a house in Cartagena, 40 degrees. 40 degrees, you know, and you use less air conditioner and you reduce that in 10 or 15 grades between side inside, between the outside. And the people love the material. In the federal design of the last week, the people hug our ball our walls. You know, I have pictures the people kissing the wall.

Oh, that's beautiful.

Those then and some. Some woman architect said with she was crying. You know, you remember my grandpa, my grandfather. This is the material. What I live. When I was like five years old. I think like that is so emotional Burn in a lu. Beautiful world without crackers.

It's, it's. It's amazing. It's amazing.

Beautiful. So staying with the beginning, we're going to get into what it looks like now. But going back 15, 20 years ago, a lot of the questions I get are how did people fund their startup? Right. So you started to hear that, you know, you started to shop around rammed Earth construction and building a house is expensive. Right? So how did you start with initial funding for Rammed Earth Collective, or I guess at the time it might have been called Rammed Earth Columbia. Like, what kind of ways did you get the money you needed to start this business?

It was difficult. It was difficult because I don't have money. I just have like 20 bucks in my pocket, my German shepherd and a backpack. You know, this is all that I have. But I have. I had an idea, a beautiful idea, and I take a client and say, hey, I'm a. I'm amazing with Drum Earth. Just believe in me.

You could put in some. In a small, in a small house. Put in like, I don't know, Bentami Jones, the pesos in a small house. It's like 5, 500, $5,000, I think. Yeah. And he believed me, you know, and I works like a. I was A. An architect, but I was a guy who makes the soil and things like that.

And I can send you a picture about that house. And the client say, hey, when, when we. When we finish the house, I'm gonna pay you. Okay? And I say, okay, I don't have problems. I. I work for like a. Four or five months, I think. And then the people say, hey, I don't have money for your pay.

Sorry. And okay, okay, okay. But I learned about the ram aired with that small and beautiful house and did it was. It. It was unbelievable, you know, but then I. I asked it to the people. I asked it to the people, hey, do you want a small rum. Earth wall? Do you want.

I can put it in your. In your. In your house, in your garden and things. And the people step by step and doing a great work. I don't know. How do you say in English, confiance and trust. Trust me. Trust in me.

Confidence. Yeah. They had confidence in you.

See? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was my beginning without money and no. No company, no experience, but with a big beautiful idea.

So we would call that bootstrapping. Right? You. You had an idea, you had a backpack, you had a dog and a lot of passion, right?

Yeah. And.

And you started with some small projects, a small house. And a lot of us entrepreneurs have a story like that. Somebody got excited, they told yes. And then it was hard to get payment from that job. But you learned that was your experience. And you started with one wall, one bench, one, you know, garden project at a time, and you bootstrapped it until you started getting bigger projects. Is that fair to say?

Yeah.

Yeah.

The last week in the federal design, when we finished the stand, the expo, it was emotional moment, and I was thinking that we made it. We made it. We'd made it 21 years and we made it. Yeah, it should be. Thank you. So beautiful moment.

Tell us a little bit. You started to do this now, but in 2025, it's no longer just you and your dog and your backpack, right? You have a team. You have four people. You were telling us about that collaborative, right? You call it the Rammed Earth Collective. And you got people in Dominican Republic and the US and in Colombia, Right? Like, who's on your team now? And what did you learn about growing a team with this kind of sustainable construction business?

Yeah, okay. I have the same workers in Santander for the last 20 years. You know what I mean? Five people at today join. It's. They are with me working, you know, five. Five guys and those are the five.

People who do the actual construction. Right?

Yeah, but I have, then I have a workers in Medellin. It's unbelievable. And in Cartagena. But I'm trying to pick up to choice or chose just a leader. I make an interview and I say, hi, I need a leader and, and I need to teach you a special construction system.

Right.

You know what I mean? And I have a beautiful and smart. It's my, my principal worker. It's in Mexico. The name is Jaime. Jaime. Jaime. It's a genius. Unbelievable.

He made house in Rum Earth in Mauritania, in United States, in Colombia. Right now he's in Dominican Republic with my, with Andrea, my, my partner there. And then I have another one in Cartagena, another one in Medellin, another one in Barichara. As a leader, you know? Yeah, the rest. And the other people, the workers, I, I, I, I look people close to the, to the, to the building, to the, to the construction site. Yeah.

So how many houses would you say you're building in a month or in a year? Today? In 20, 25. And what's your total team sign? I'm listening. I'm like, wait, you got people in Cartagena and US and Mexico? Like, how many people are working for the Collective now?

Okay, the Collective right Now we have three projects right now it like 40 people, I think.

40 people working for the collection.

Yeah, yeah. But we are making a very good deals and I think at the, for the, to the next year, I'm gonna be like a hundred. 100 people working.

100 people working for the collective. And how many projects do you think you might do in a year?

In a year? Like three.

Three projects.

Nice. Three. Three. Sorry, Three or five projects? Three.

Three to five projects a year. Awesome.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, that's a far cry from you and your dog. 21 years ago, right?

Yeah, he's right now in my house in Barichara, in the garden. He passed away like eight years ago, Harry. He is right now. He come back to the earth, you know, he returns to the origin.

Sure. So talk to us now about your clients. Who are you building for? Is it for individual families? Are you working for cities? Like, yeah, who, who reaches out to the Ram Dirt Collective and says, I want you all to build me a building.

I have three, three types of clients. You know, the family who dreams with your, with the ram air house with their ram air. It's like a second house because they live in the Medellin, in Bogota, in the cities, and they get terrain in, in another, in another Small town. And I made his second house. I have. Right now I have a big clients with hotels. You know, hotels. Okay.

Yeah. They're looking for. For a wellness. For the wellness side. The lu. The connection with the, you know, that kind of. Of new busker as you know. How.

I don't know. How do you say the people wants to live healthy and they want to eat healthy. They want your. They. They want healthy houses.

Yeah.

And I provide that. That and the other people. It's like the people who, who are looking objects, you know, art. This is a clay ball we made. We made with our hands and just. Just has earth and sand and your hands and passions. They name it storodangus. And we made art with.

With. With an object with earth.

So folks who are. Who care about wellness and want to live in a space that reflects that wellness is a really important value. Whether it's an individual family getting a second home or hotel who wants to do a wellness center, people who care about wellness, those are folks who really see the value in what you're doing, intend to reach out to you to build them a home or build them a center.

Yeah, yeah. For the last. When the business grow up. We have many challenges with Rampart in Colombia and in the world. You know, it's the codes. The codes are not made for RAM Earth. The people need education to trust in the technique and the people needs investigation about RAM Earth.

Yeah.

Beautiful. So let's do this. In a minute. I want to come back and talk to you about the social and the environmental impact, like what is more sustainable about doing it this way. And I also want to talk to you about where do you see your collective going and rammed earth and earth and construction going in general. Before we do that, I just want to take a quick break and hear.

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So welcome back everybody. I am here with Daniel Bata and we are talking about return to the origin using earth for the future, Rammed earth and earth in construction. And right before the break you were telling us about the growth from you and your backpack and your dog to 100 person company working on multiple projects, including some commercial projects for hotels. Right. And what I was saying Daniel, is I'd be really curious. One of the main reasons people listen to this podcast, in addition to social entrepreneur ideas, they're also listening for the impact RAM Dirth you hinted at it is a more sustainable form of construction. But can you unpack that for us? What does that mean in terms of, you know, for the climate, for how is it different for the health of the people? How is it healthier for the planet? Like give us some more details about that.

Okay. Ram Earth has a lot of environmental impact. It use a local soil, you know, less cement, just 3% or clay or less or salmon. You know, also gives a natural beauty, thermal comfort and durability. The Netflix 1 month ago I saw a documental about the second life to the things like, you know, the phones, the people never thinks about that. You know, if you took or you take my walls and put it into the earth, you don't affect it. You know, this is one of the reason because. Or you destroy the wall and with this soil you can make another wall.

It's one of the biggest reason for the, for my, you know, obsession with the earth. You know, when we finish the Ferrero I have a picture and big company close to my stand. Say me hey Danielle, I'm. I'm so worried about my company and I say why? It's because, you know that box like a hundred bucks we are send it to the garbage. You know and you took your, you take your earth, your box and put it into the farm, into the ecosystem, into the compost. You know what I mean? And they say hey I admire you for your product. You know, it's less contamination. Yeah.

So you're building something literally from the earth and when it's time to return it it is made of earth. So going back to the earth is like it's kind of obvious it's made from the earth as opposed to all these toxic chemicals or having to cut down trees and all that stuff. You're building from Earth and that means that when it's time for it to recycle, it literally just going back to the earth in a way that most building products are not.

Remember the title of the podcast, Return to the Origin.

Yeah.

Remember the soil, Feed us the soil, give. Give us a house and we finish in.

I would imagine as well like the, the energy costs, given that you're building with something on site. And yes, maybe you need to bring in to get that mix, you might have to bring in a little bit of clay or a little bit of sand. But the majority of what you're building with comes right from that site as opposed to having it made. I don't know, you're in Colombia and the product was made in Mexico or Canada or Europe or something like that. That and the amount of energy in addition to the, the recycling, you're also using a lot less energy to build this way because you don't have to import parts of the house from far away. Is that fair to say?

Yeah. Yeah. We have a low carbon product.

Exactly.

One of the, one of the biggest challenge. It's how I can use all the soils or earth in the planet. You know, because when I started 20, 21 years ago, the people say he just a specific type of earth you can use in Ram Earth. Yeah. But right now we develop in, in Houston Stamp Terra. Stamp Terra is one of the, one of our products and we can use a local site no matter what kind of soil. Except the type Ocho. It's the, it's a type of soil with a grass and you know what I mean? It's like a organic soil, organic matter in it.

Yeah. And this is, and this is one of the reason because we can participate in green building or lead practices, you know, certifications, green certification, green building and, and lead certifications. You know what I mean? Because normally the, the people go to, to the, to the, in one mountain and take the soil and put it in, in the, in the, in the construction site, you know, so you've been.

Able to use a much wider variety. You've developed techniques to use a much wider variety of soils in your rammed earth construction. And that makes it more sustainable because you don't have to import the soil to a site.

Yeah. And we used to the construction. I don't know how do you say the satchels block salmon? Yeah, block, yeah, particles into the, our walls in, in particle. Yeah. And we use that kind of garbage. Garbage, I don't know how to say garbage.

By products. Yeah, yeah, exactly. In 21 years you went from just you doing all the work, right. You and your dog in your backpack. I can see that vision, it's so clear to me. Right. To a hundred people working on more complex, you know, projects using different kinds of soil and really innovating there, going to multiple countries. Like a lot has happened in 21 years.

Give us that's where you've come from. Look, look into the future with us. Where do you see the Rammed Earth Collective going? And where do you see rammed Earth construction as a whole going in five years or 10 years?

I want to go Mars.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah. Because the ramped Earth constructors in, in all the world are testing about Earth concretes, you know, And NASA wants to go to the Mars with a big rob, big printing robots and doing the habitat for the, for the, for the humans. Because you know, it's expensive. If you are going, you are transport steel, concrete and things like that. And they want to use the Mars soil to print the habitats.

So is it going to be called Rammed Mars Collective? Is that, is that your, that's your new business? Right?

I think it's gonna be a global connected. Right now a friend of mine, Karen, the Raiz Architecture in Mexico has been working with robot and concrete Earth concrete. They are doing great. So great.

So building in space is one of the horizons you see for your work.

Yeah, I was trying to make a less weight object with ramped earth because it's so heavy when you are going to transport and if you are going to use in your house. I'm trying to make rum. I don't know. In, in, in Spanish, it's tapial alivianado. It's less, it's olivianado is more. It's. It's not. It's like a mix.

Mix it with, with fiber, fibers and things like that. Because it's so heavy when you put in like 20, 20 cm block with the air, it's so, so heavy. Yeah.

So one of the things our listeners asked me about when I'm interviewing a guest is they want to know about the impact on a community. Right. So you go into these communities, whether it's Medellin or Mexico or Houston, wherever it is, Dominican Republic, you build a rammed Earth building. It's beautiful, right? And so two questions about that. How does living in a Rammed earth house or structure, how does that affect the people who are in the home? But also like what happens in the local community when people see it and start to get a sense of like, oh wow, rammed earth. I hadn't thought that maybe I could build my house that way.

We make a difference. We show the people that run or this. It's a possibility, a real option for, for their house. And we. I don't know, how do you say in English, but despejamos niedos, you know what I mean? In Spanish he's like, hey, don't be afraid about a Ram Earth because it's here. And the local community, we participate in many process with the community. We learn about RAM Earth making workshops. We make a project and the community around the workers, the people who live for the construction, the kids we have, we made workshops and learn about Rand Earth to create conscious beautiful.

So it's really a learning opportunity for everybody who lives in a community when you build a project so that it's not just affecting the one family or that small hotel, but that everybody in that community has an option to learn about it and participate in building so that they get the kind of the embodied skills in that community should they want to build with Ram Durst now they have a better idea how to do that.

We have a good impact in the workers because we just. Let me explain something. Dominican Republic, you know, I just sent one or two of my Astros or constructors. Consultors. Yeah. And the rest of the workers are locals, you know, and they learn about the process in the process. Okay.

So if you go to Dominican Republic, you send one or two kind of lead people there and then they recruit the people who are actually going to build from the Dominican Republic or wherever it is and then teach them how to do it. And these people not only get good jobs building and sustainable building, but they also learn how to do it and then they can be a resource for their community.

Yeah, at the first time the people said me, hey, but you are making competence. You know, you're. Because you are. You are going to teach the people how to build houses in Ram Earth and you teach and them that guys gonna be a problem for you because you are gonna make a compet. I don't know.

Competition, right?

Yeah, I don't. If, if I, if, if someday I'm gonna be a biggest ramp air constructions, I'm just gonna cover the 1% no.0000001% of the construction in the world, you know, I don't care that kind of competency.

Sure, sure. I like everything there. So you've been at this for two decades plus now, Daniel, as a social entrepreneur, looking back on decades of learning, what do you wish you knew at the beginning that might have helped you not have as many bumps in the road and might have helped you scale a little quicker?

Right now we need investigation because for the 21 years the investigation provide. It's from my pocket, you know what I mean? I just put in my money in testing about my results, about my. My ideas. But if, I don't know, it's more easy, if universities or people interested to go to the communities and teach that kind of systems. We need some kind of, I don't know, how do you say, like patrocinadores investigation.

We probably call it research in English, like some research, especially from universities and people who are familiar with the building industry. If that kind of research was happening, that wouldn't have to come out of your pocket.

Yeah, because I think that it's one of my bumps, you know, because it's slow and we. We need to make a house and take money for the house for investigation or testing in the house. And if things gone. Doesn't go, I don't know, it's. It's difficult.

It slowed you down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But right now.

Okay, no, go ahead, go ahead.

Okay. But right now we have quality in our projects. You know what I mean? I. We tested the soil before construction. We have. We mix with stabilizers if the soil needed. You know, we supervise larger by larger and things like that. And this is the reason, because we have a guarantee.

Yeah. So Based on your 21 years of experience, that's some of the bumps you hit. What are some of the things you did well that other people who are interested in sustainable building, in sustainable strategies that they could learn from. What went well for you? You're still here 21 years later, 100 people working on projects. You've done some things well. What do you think you did well that you would maybe pass on as suggestions to other people who are trying to get sustainable enterprises going.

I think I believe in me at first, at first. But I think it's the passion. It's believing an idea and it's disciplined. It's in Colombia, say it's like power, like all the days, it's gonna be the best day. And one of the things that I think is I read a lot of for the soils, geology, engineer and things like that, and that kind of discipline with reading give me a knowledge about Earth. I think so you did a lot.

Of research and that helped you understanding your product and your process and that self belief, like this is an important idea. And even when things get hard, like you build a house and you're like, great, I'm finally going to get paid. And then they're like, sorry, we can't pay you. And you're like, this is terrible. But you kept going and you believed in yourself and in the mission of what you were doing. So even when it got hard, you stayed with it. Is that fair to say?

Yeah, yeah.

But.

But the people, it's gonna. It's. It's gonna think that I'm like a romanticist guy with air, but yes, yes, because you need to put in air in your hands. You know, I'm feeling. And Toshin and the earth talk to you and say, hey, I need water. Water, I need sand. I need things. And the hands bring you.

This is one of my. The. A part of my workshops. You know, it's sensorial. Sensorial things. You know, it's like a sense. It's like you need to. To feel the earth and the people needs to understand an organic material.

This is not a Home Depot material. This is not a still material. Without her, you know, without the earth. Breathe the earth. Give us a comfort. The earth give us beautiful material. And the people feel it when it leaves in the house.

Beautiful. Daniel, you're doing such great work. I could hang out with you all day, but you're really busy. So are our listeners as we start to wind down. If there's something we didn't cover yet that you think is important for people to understand about the Rammed Earth Collective and what you're doing, what would that be that we haven't covered yet?

Yes, I'm gonna say something about the. Putting your eyes in a different ways to do the things. You know what I mean? It's. It's the right words, I think.

Yeah, totally.

Yeah, always you can find a different and healthy and passion way to do the things that. The normal things.

Yeah, beautiful. Daniel, if somebody is really interested in Rammed Earth and wants to get a hold of you to talk more about it and consider hiring you to work on a project, how would they get a hold of you?

Okay, we have an Instagram page. Ram Earth Collective. I'm gonna. You're gonna put it into.

Yeah, we'll put it in the. In the show notes. So a link to Instagram and maybe your website.

Yeah, my website. And right now we are under construction in my. One of my dreams. An innovation center it's a dream because you came here and say, hey, I want that kind of earth. Mix it with that kind of sand, and what is the result? And okay, it's like it's a product for echolamedida. It's the name in Spanish. Okay.

So if you want to help build out the innovation center, get a hold of Daniel and you can talk about how you might collaborate. But Daniel, thank you so much for the work you do and for telling us about it on the show.

Thanks for having me, Paul. It was a pleasure that with you.

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