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The Inclusion Bites Podcast

The Art of Authentic Living

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Sam Turlington

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Joanne Lockwood

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00:00 "Creative Arts Multi-Hyphenate" 03:33 "Curiosity Led Me to Acting" 09:25 The Importance of Improv Skill 11:11 "Recognising Quality in Scripts" 14:03 Unexpected Conservative Theatre Experience 18:40 Shakespeare, Gender, and Neopronouns 23:03 "Coming Out and Identity Evolution" 26:15 "Self-Exploration and Identity Questions" 29:20 Stereotypes in Acting and Reality 32:28 Navigating…

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“Join me as we uncover the unseen, challenge the status quo and share storeys that resonate deep within.”
— Joanne Lockwood
“it is seeing people soulfully honouring the truth of. Of their experience.”
— Joanne Lockwood
“So I think in a strange way, my core nature of curiosity and wanting connection with the outside world led me to acting. And then I'm pretty sure it's that that led me even deeper in myself to discover that I'm non binary and that my experience of the world is much more varied than I originally thought.”
— Sam Turlington
“The Journey from Curiosity to Self-Discovery "I think in a strange way, my core nature of curiosity and wanting connection with the outside world led me to acting. And then I'm pretty sure it's that that led me even deeper in myself to discover that I'm non binary and that my experience of the world is much more varied than I originally thought.”
— Joanne Lockwood
“You don't always need to know exactly what words and exactly what order are coming out of your mouth. But knowing what the journey's going to be is incredibly important and a really good skill to have when you're working on a very wordy play because your errors are going to happen, you're going to make mistakes and recovering from that is really the mark of a true professional.”
— Sam Turlington

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Sam Turlington

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Joanne Lockwood

Welcome to Inclusion Bites, your sanctuary for bold conversations that spark change. I'm Joanne Lockwood, your guide on this journey of exploration into the heart of inclusion, belonging and societal transformation. Ever wondered what it truly takes to create a world everyone not only belongs, but thrives? You're not alone. Join me as we uncover the unseen, challenge the status quo and share storeys that resonate deep within.

Joanne Lockwood

Ready to dive in?

Joanne Lockwood

Whether you're sipping your morning coffee or winding down after a long day, let's connect, reflect and inspire action together. Don't forget, you can be part of the conversation too. Reach out to jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk to share your insights or to join me on the show. So adjust your earbuds and settle in. It's time to ignite the spark of inclusion with Inclusion Bites.

Joanne Lockwood

And today is episode 188 with the title the Art of Authentic Living. And I have the absolute honour and privilege to welcome Sam Turlington. Sam is a non binary, award winning actor and multi hyphenated creative whose work champions queer joy and the complexity of authentic storytelling. And when I asked Sam to describe their superpower, they said that it is seeing people soulfully honouring the truth of. Of their experience. Sam, welcome to the show.

Sam Turlington

Hello. It's lovely to be here.

Joanne Lockwood

So, judging by the accent, you're not based in the uk, where I live. So where in the world are you?

Sam Turlington

So I. I'm American, I live in New York City, but I have really strong ties to the uk. I got my master's degree in Glasgow.

Joanne Lockwood

I think you're saying before we went on air that you spent a lot of time working up in Glasgow and you've just come back to the us?

Sam Turlington

Yes, I do. I. I'm actually working on a film in Glasgow at the moment and a lot of my colleagues are in London as well. So I pop over and we create things together and yeah, I'm all over the place.

Joanne Lockwood

I'm fascinated by the term multi hyphenated. So what is, what is. What is a multi hyphenate creative then?

Sam Turlington

So essentially, you know, when I first trained, I got my BFA many, many years ago. You could just kind of be one thing like you, you focus and that for me, at the time, that was just an actor. And as my career has developed and shifted and changed, and as I have developed and shifted and changed, I've taken on other positions. You know, I've produced films, I have directed plays. I don't know that just one title suits me. So, but saying 12 of them would be a mouthful. So just I'm a creative arts multi hyphenate. Boom, there it is.

Sam Turlington

But always an actor first.

Joanne Lockwood

So it's kind of the identity equivalent of being non binary, I guess. So you're not nailing yourself to any particular identity there?

Sam Turlington

Absolutely. I think my entire life could be summed up as if I find myself on a binary, I jump off of it immediately.

Joanne Lockwood

So what makes you tick? What was your kind of inspiration as a young person to plot your course in this direction?

Sam Turlington

So I have a fundamental curiosity at the core of my person to just connect and wonder. And I grew up in a. Not a small town, but in a small southern space where I didn't really have a lot of access to the wider world around me. And I found myself just gravitating towards anything that was different from what my upbringing had introduced me to. And that's how I fell into acting. Because as an artist, as an actor, you get to take on other people, other personalities, you get to walk in another person's shoes, you get to research their experiences and put yourself in scenarios that you yourself would never find yourself in. So I think in a strange way, my core nature of curiosity and wanting connection with the outside world led me to acting. And then I'm pretty sure it's that that led me even deeper in myself to discover that I'm non binary and that my experience of the world is much more varied than I originally thought.

Joanne Lockwood

When I was a kid, just being an actor playing, playing a part through someone else's words. I guess most of the time when you're acting, someone else has scripted you. You're someone else's Persona. Did that give you an opportunity to maybe step outside of yourself and try on new things? Is that kind of what happened there?

Sam Turlington

Absolutely. I would say, you know, as a young actor, you get a script and your first instinct is to say, well, how would I do this? And then you learn very quickly, oh, that doesn't actually serve, you know, the play or the film or whatever it is you're doing. So I felt a freedom to be like, oh, great. I don't have to think about what Sam would do. I get to use the tools I have to figure out what this person would do. And then the freedom that comes from that to be like, great. I don't have to worry about how I feel about a thing. I know how they feel about a thing.

Sam Turlington

And then the inevitable conclusion of that is, okay, well, I, Sam, do not understand why this kind of person would make this kind of decision because it's so vastly different from what I would do. So then you have to, you know, whatever kind of research you do, talking to people. I sought a psychology minor when I went into my time in university. I was like, I have to understand why people do the things that they do do. And really all that was doing was fostering greater empathy for people in the world around me. So it's amazing how all that kind of plays in together.

Joanne Lockwood

Yeah. When I used to run IT companies and when I tend to transition about 10 years ago, give or take, I bulked from this new part of my career, both career and identity and I was looking for what I was going to do in the middle of the night and I thought I would try and get into acting because I had a few friends who were, who did bit parts, you know, the sort of, you know, they were. The person walking behind somebody or they were serving them at a table. There's sort of minor roles and I wrote with a lot of agencies and I never, I never got anywhere as it happened, but I did, I did have a couple of auditions doing a few things and it kind of got me into that. It made me realise that I didn't want to do it, to be honest. But it was, it was fascinating because I actually changed my bio to being aspiring actor at one point.

Sam Turlington

You know, I love it, you have.

Joanne Lockwood

To manifest it for it to become real. So I tried to manifest it on my bio and I just decided it was. It didn't pay very well. You know, it doesn't, you know, when you're in that early stage, £100 for a day or something. And I thought that's a lot of work to go all the way to London and back and stand around and maybe get to. I decided I wanted to focus on higher worth opportunities.

Sam Turlington

I absolutely understand the amount of work that you have to put in as an actor compared to the benefit and compensation that you get, especially early career is near impossible. Sometimes I'm inspired by. I don't know how younger me did it, I really don't. And I applaud them. And any young actor who's starting out right now, particularly, goodness gracious, they're my heroes. I don't. The leap of faith you have to take and the amount of work you have to put in and the amount of rejection you have to deal with in an already tumultuous world that's rejecting you and your identity potentially is overwhelming.

Joanne Lockwood

But I soon figured out that my stage was different. It didn't need to be an acting stage. So I'm now a keynote speaker, a professional speaker on stage. So you still bring that larger than life Persona. So you.

Sam Turlington

Absolutely.

Joanne Lockwood

It's authentic, but it's a bigger version of you. It's not the quiet you, it's the stage you. So yeah, I enjoy performing because I think being a professional keynote speaker is a performance as well. It has to have Act 1, Act 2, Act 3 and thank you at the end. So yeah, it is like being a solo performer. Solo act for sure.

Sam Turlington

The overlap between public speakers and keynote speakers and actors is. I mean the Venn diagram is a circle. Basically it's the same thing. Except for I think you usually control what you're going to say and we sometimes are saying other people's words.

Joanne Lockwood

Sometimes I don't know what I'm going to say next. It is like ad lib. Sometimes it is. Yeah, lots of. And improv. And improv. Yeah.

Sam Turlington

Yes. And yeah.

Joanne Lockwood

So yeah. But I mean obviously I know what the topic is when I stand on stage. I know what I'm gonna talk about roughly. But in all seriousness. And if you're looking to book and pay me to do anything, don't worry, I always get it right. But I often don't know what I'm gonna say next until it actually comes out my mouth. Cause it is conversational often.

Sam Turlington

Yes. I actually think that's a really wonderful skill and it's something that all actors have to be in some way shape or form good at improv. And if not improv, when you're in a play, you have to be so comfortable with the script that it's as if you are saying it off the cuff. It's as if it's not pre planned. So I think knowing the shape of a conversation, knowing the shape of what you want to say, knowing, okay, we're going to go here, we're going to move here, we're going to end here eventually. That's the most important thing. You don't always need to know exactly what words and exactly what order are coming out of your mouth. But knowing what the journey's going to be is incredibly important and a really good skill to have when you're working on a very wordy play because your errors are going to happen, you're going to make mistakes and recovering from that is really the mark of a true professional.

Joanne Lockwood

How you recover and for simply, it's not just you that makes messes up, it's the person you're acting against or with and they've gone off on one and you're thinking, well, that's not in my script, but I'll just have to rock with this and see what happens, see when you come back. And I'll pick it up from wherever you leave it.

Sam Turlington

Yeah, you just gotta roll with the punches sometimes. And if it goes off the rails, it goes off the rails. And if you're in a play, it's going off the rails live in front of a bunch of people. And either they're gonna be on board or they're not gonna be on board. And it's your job to get them on board with whatever madness is happening.

Joanne Lockwood

I guess you've got to have faith in the writer because everything you're saying should be optimised to be part of the storey or a necessary plot. You're often not just saying words for the sake of it. They're part of evolving the character, aren't they?

Sam Turlington

They should be. They certainly should be. I think I didn't know this when I was a young artist, but I have more experience now that you can hear the difference between a good script and just a script by how important is every word that the characters are saying? Is all the details coming out in an organic way? Is it a show me, don't tell me kind of thing? You can really hear if there's filler, if there's just fluff, language. Like, the writer was like, oh, this might sound a bit clever if I say it like this, but it doesn't serve the purpose of the storey. And they're out there. You're gonna.

Joanne Lockwood

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sam Turlington

I've auditioned with some doozy scripts, but, you know, that's my job, to make it better and make it real and solve the problem as we say. You always want to solve the problem.

Joanne Lockwood

Do you find yourself having your own version of predictive text in your head where you're listening along to something and you know exactly what the next character's gonna say? I mean, I watch TV and films all the time thinking, and I'm reading out the next time Marie's looking at me going, how'd you know they were gonna say that? It just gonna happen.

Sam Turlington

It is. All the time. Yeah. The same. Em and I will be on the couch and they'll be like, especially in high dramas, there's always those long pauses waiting for the next character to speak. And nine times out of 10, I'm like, I know exactly what they're gonna say.

Joanne Lockwood

And it's not even the gist of what they're gonna Say it's actually the word. Cause there's obviously there's lots of superlatives they could have picked. And I go, I just say, da, da, da, da.

Sam Turlington

There it is.

Joanne Lockwood

Exactly what they just said. Almost in time with them as well. Yeah, maybe I became invested in the character and I became with them.

Sam Turlington

Honestly, that might be you syncing up with the character and their narrative. That's a form of acting as well, is being able to empathetically get into the headspace of someone else so much that their words are coming out of your mouth. Absolutely.

Joanne Lockwood

So you obviously hang out in creative space a lot as a thespian. If you identify as a thespian, a producer or your hyphenates out there, I would imagine as someone who isn't in that space, that it's a very open, queer friendly type environment. Is that a truism?

Sam Turlington

Say yes with an asterisk. It's. The majority of creative spaces are going to be open to queer people and multiple identities and things like that. It shocked me to discover that some creative places are not. I didn't. I never really considered that. I kind of took for granted that everyone who works in this industry has the level of empathy required to just be cool with everybody and be specifically inclusive of everybody. Because being cool with someone and being inclusive of them are very different things.

Sam Turlington

And a few years ago, I went to a play that I didn't know anything about, but someone was like, hey, I have a ticket, let's go. It was a small off off Broadway play and I was not in the audience very long before I realised this is a conservative propaganda piece. And I am surrounded in a theatre with actors, with directors, all of the normal people, but they're putting on this play that's saying some really not okay things. And it was my first interaction with how could this happen in our community? I didn't know these spaces existed. And so of course, I go out into the lobby afterwards and there's some prominent conservative media figures there. And I'm like, this is odd. And I talk to, like the house manager and stuff and I'm like, how in the world do spaces like this happen? And she goes, well, we all have to eat and we have jobs to do and we get hired to do these jobs. And sometimes the people that we're working for are not great, but we don't control who rents the theatre.

Joanne Lockwood

Some people are dicks and you can't legislate.

Sam Turlington

It was so shocking because the house manager was like, well, you know, I don't know when the theatre gets rented, we don't know what show's going in there, so we're just as surprised as you. And I said, well, what about the actors? Do you know what's going on with that? And she was like, you know, it's an acting job and some actors can just be like, well, you know, I'm not gonna worry about it. I'm just gonna do my job and then get on with it and take the paycheck. I was shaken by that news.

Joanne Lockwood

Can't bring your friends to the opening night, can you?

Sam Turlington

Oh, I don't know, sort of have.

Joanne Lockwood

This shame I'm in this play or you can't come and see it. It's awful.

Sam Turlington

Here's the thing. I've been in some bad plays, but I've never been in bad plays because they were written by bad people like, or had something bad to say. I will happily invite my friends to a bad play that's not very good and the writing or the storytelling is green. But my goodness, I don't know if I could ever agree to be in a play that was actively trying to cause harm to somebody or is going to say something that could cause harm to somebody. So other than that very specific group of people that does exist, maybe 5% of the industry as I know it, most every creative space I'm in is wonderfully queer friendly. Thank goodness.

Joanne Lockwood

You said earlier about it's not you playing the role, you're having to step into the character and the character plays the role, if you like. Where do you stand on your own identity? Do you play CIS male, CIS female characters as a non binary person or do you have to bring your identity into that role as well?

Sam Turlington

My first and foremost approach is to always bring my identity to a role. But I play CIS women all the time. I've had the very A highlight for me has been playing CIS men recently, which is really great. I usually when I get cast as whatever gender identity, the first conversation I have with the director is, okay, you have chosen someone like me to play this role. Let's deal with the narrative dramaturgical ramifications of that or the gift that that is. I was in a play last year by a wonderful playwright who's actually in the uk and the role I was cast as was just called the son S o n and it was a family dynamic where, you know, parents and then a son and a daughter and they cast me as the son and the director said, actually, how would you feel if we explore what this role's gender identity actually is. Does it actually need to be a CIS man? It doesn't have to be. Let's see what happens.

Sam Turlington

And we ended up coming to the conclusion that this character was non binary and it actually served the storey better for them to be so. So that was a moment of me bringing who I am to the role and it actually made the play better. And I think now the writer has actually rewritten the script so that that character just is non binary.

Joanne Lockwood

Now I suppose at that point there, you're then having to give an authenticity consultation top to bottom on that script so that all the characters who interact with that character know that person's identity, how they're going to refer to them, how those relationships, work, family, whatever, and all those little words that you forget agenda, suddenly you have to be reorientated, don't they?

Sam Turlington

Absolutely. One very specific example of that. I was in a production of as yous like it, and I was playing Touchstone, who's the clown in that play and originally written for a CIS man. But we decided that in the context of the play, this character would start out in stealth mode, hiding as if they were a CIS man, but then transitioning to non binary as the play went on. And we got curious of like, okay, how are we going to support that with Shakespeare's language in a very well known play? And we ended up getting curious about neopronouns and maybe Touchstone refers to themselves with zee zem zir and how does that fit with Shakespeare's language? And as we got curious, as we dived dove into the text and explored, we just decided, you know, what Shakespeare was doing all kinds of weird gender stuff a long time ago. I don't think he would mind. We changed all of Touchstone's pronouns in the script so that even when other characters referred to them, they used these neo pronouns. And then there was an evolution of like when they were in the first act in the very strict horrible Court, they referred to Touchstone as him.

Sam Turlington

And then they slowly started going to they them. And then by the end of the play, Z zem's ear, which was so cool, to figure out how that functions and to not put any limits on what it could be.

Joanne Lockwood

And it's actually quite like real life as well, because you don't go from here to there overnight. You don't wake up one morning and go, well, maybe you do, but you have to bring the world with you, don't you?

Sam Turlington

Yes. I say, there's a joke that everyone makes. It's the he, him to he, they to they, she to they, them to she her pipeline, it just starts to go and. Cause it's an exploration.

Joanne Lockwood

It's a soft launch, isn't it? Coming out as non binary. It can be a soft launch, but that validates your, that, that also invalidates non binary identities as seeing it as a. Oh, you're just trying it out. That's actually my destination. So you've got to be careful. You're not propagating that myth, isn't you?

Sam Turlington

Yes, of course. Because like, and some people can use non binary, the non binary identity as like a stopping ground to kind of sit and reorient before they move on to something else. Because they might think that being non binary is my destination. But then they get here where I am and they go, oh, I thought this was the conclusion, but it's actually not. And they can keep going. And then some people like myself get here and we go, sweet, we've made it home. This is the correct thing. And I have explored the other direction and been like, oh, nope, that wasn't right.

Sam Turlington

So the freedom to move from one to the other and to validate everyone as they're passing through or making camp as twere, I think is really important.

Joanne Lockwood

Yeah, no, I get that completely. Yeah, I skipped the middle bit. I just went straight to the other end. I just, I knew I was going at the book, had the map, honestly.

Sam Turlington

Yeah, respect. To know exactly where you're going, exactly what you want. All of my trans siblings who know exactly like, this is me, I have such respect for that and I have such admiration for it because I've just never been able to make up my mind.

Joanne Lockwood

But to be fair, my evolution was back in the 1970s and you know, think about how long ago that was. And she her was bad enough in those days. You know, there's no, there's no kind of. There's no, There was no queer option or gender queer or gender expansive options at the time. You had to be here or I had to be here. And that bit in the middle was a destination rather than, as you say, a stopping ground.

Sam Turlington

Absolutely.

Joanne Lockwood

What's going on here then? Let's have a look around.

Sam Turlington

So true. I mean, as tumultuous as things are right now for our community, I can't fathom the experience that it was in the 80s, in the 70s, in the 60s and beyond. Unbelievable.

Joanne Lockwood

Well, there was just, there was no language. There was nothing to envy or be worried about. It was when you've got no options, you don't worry about having no options because you don't know no options. So you don't know what you don't know.

Sam Turlington

Absolutely. That was a big thing in conversations around my coming out, because I, as far as the current generation believes I came out later in life because so many of our community members get to come out when they're like children because they know exactly who they are and they have the access to the language. But non binary did not exist when I was in high school. When I was in middle school, I didn't. I don't think I met an out trans person until I was in college. So I had no access to that identity or that life or how it might apply to me. Which, hilariously, I figured that out through theatre. I got cast not long out of school, I got cast in a play playing a trans woman.

Sam Turlington

And in that time, the conversation around casting CIS actors as trans people was not existent really, or was not loud like it is now. But I ended up playing a trans character. And it was the first time my brain went, is this me? This is the way I feel. And it was a doorway. I tell that I haven't ever told that director who cast me in that play, but I need to write her a letter and say thank you, because if it wasn't for that play, I don't know that I would have gotten the unlock as early as I did in my adulthood. It would have been many, many more years later before figuring out who I was. Maybe she knew something that I didn't. I don't know.

Joanne Lockwood

Now you say that I can relate to that experience where there's a life trigger that allows you to unlock that door, whatever that may be. So when I say I knew from a very early age in my life there were certain triggers that if that hadn't have happened at that time, it may have happened later. But I can say that, well, that was a key to that door that went, now let's explore that. And then once you've got the key, you want to keep trying the doors, don't you? You want. Yeah, I've got the key now. I want to keep opening stuff. So, yeah, I see what you mean. You were in a situation where your brain went, okay, let's play with this and see what happens.

Joanne Lockwood

You go, actually, it fits. It works.

Sam Turlington

Yeah, yeah, I remember. So. So clearly I was cast in this role and the director said, okay, so we've cast you as a trans person and the writer of this play was a trans woman, and she has asked that you go to lunch with her so that she can help you understand the mindset, so that you can. Doing my actor job, I am researching and getting information. So Carla and I went to lunch and as she is orienting me to what it feels like, I just kept sitting there going, I know this, I know this feeling. This is also me too. Yes, well, of course. And then I start realising and I started asking her, wait a minute, do CIS people not feel this way?

Joanne Lockwood

Apparently not. Apparently not.

Sam Turlington

Apparently not. I just remember at one point she kind of got quiet and she was looking at me and she goes, have you ever explored within yourself what you actually are, what you are? Like, what kind of exploration have you done in your life? And I said, well, I know, I'm. I'm. I said, at the time, I think I called myself bisexual, but pansexual was more accurate. And I was like, I've never really felt at home in the space that I was raised. I never felt at home in the gender assigned to this body by the space that I was raised in. But I've also never felt like the other called to me in a way. And she goes, all right, well, through this project, I just encourage you to keep asking questions.

Sam Turlington

You're so curious about the world around you. I'd like you to be curious about yourself because that's going to bring you home to this role. And she had no idea that what it was actually going to do is bring me home to me and myself and my authentic being. So, honestly, if it wasn't for what I do for a living, I have no idea when I would have discovered my transness, when I would have discovered my non binary nature. I don't know when that would have happened.

Joanne Lockwood

As you were talking, I was thinking about, this is how my brain works, blood types and the fact that O negative is the universal donor and AB positive is the universal receiver. So do you feel that as a non binary person, you're able to donate yourself into other blood types more readily than someone who is maybe rigid? And now I just.

Sam Turlington

Absolutely, I feel. So now that I am fully my authentic self, I feel so connected to every experience. I don't feel like, like obviously I have my lived experience and other people have their lived experiences and that will colour what I'm able to relate to. But on a fundamental level, being able to identify with every person that I come into contact with and every storey that I hear and being able to relate to it, especially when it comes to gender and sexuality and the internal struggles that we all experience, it's not like CIS people don't experience struggle or don't experience, you know, the cognitive dissonance on the inside or these are all universal feelings, just some of us express them outwardly in a very different way. So I would say yes, I do.

Joanne Lockwood

Do you come across many cishet actors who attempt to play a queer character and either they, they don't get it or they're conflicted? I'm just thinking of Eddie Redmayne playing in the Danish Girl. Yeah, Danish girl. Yeah.

Sam Turlington

Now here in New York City, I can't think of any. I can think of CIS het actors who have played CIS gay or lesbian roles and sometimes you see them in plays and you go, that's not how we talk or that's not how we hold ourselves. So you can kind of see the scenes.

Joanne Lockwood

Stereotype kicks in.

Sam Turlington

Yeah, because I mean as an actor stereotype is a little important because it gives you a quick flash look at something but then you have to get curious and go past the stereotype and able to actually be. Because you know, every stereotype is grounded in some kind of reality because that's how we categorise humans. So but we need to unpack that and find out, you know, okay, is this a harmful stereotype? Is this a joyful stereotype? You know, what kind of stereotype is this and how can we actually get to the reality? And a lot of, in my observation, a lot of cishet actors, particularly CIS men who take on gay male roles, they go to a stereotype that is common for their viewpoint but not ours. Our community knows how CIS gay men are. The straight community doesn't always know that. So, but I think it's a little more. People are a little more mindful of that now. And there's so many actors who are out and proud just cast people for the roles that they need to be playing.

Sam Turlington

You know, it's the same thing with, I'm a fat bodied actor. Don't cast thin people to play fat people. Just don't do it. We know us, let us play us.

Joanne Lockwood

Yeah. Unless you've had boob sweat or got out of breath walking up down the stairs, if you're too fit, you're never going to appreciate the nuances and the give me five at the top of.

Sam Turlington

The stairs or something as something as simple as sitting in a chair. Because I'm larger bodied, I have the knowledge that most chairs are not structured for my weight. And so I'm gonna tell you what, every time I sit I'm just like, I'm just Gonna go down really slow to make sure this is gonna be okay. And I am in the fat community, I'm considered a small fat. Okay. So if I'm worried about this, my other bodied friends, my fatter bodied friends are. It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare that the world is literally not built with them in mind.

Sam Turlington

So you know what, we understand this, we understand what it is to struggle to find clothes in your size and have to shop online because they never have your size in store. Right. Or have to be perfectly put together all the time because of the stereotypes people associate with being fat. So, you know, it's just let people play their identities is what I. Yeah.

Joanne Lockwood

I mean I can identify as a, as a past large body person. I was probably 300 pound plus at my max, 20, 22, 23 stone and I've lost 140 pound, 120 recently. So yeah, I've been to that thing where we go to a pub garden in the UK and they've got that white plastic furniture and it used to be a party trick. People would look at me and go, you really can sit on there. Go, oh yeah. And I go, I'll be careful. And all of a sudden hear this cracking noise and suddenly you're on the floor and this thing has just gone like a baby giraffe. I'm from underneath, right.

Sam Turlington

It's just ridiculous. Literally those, those plastic, those plastic chairs, if I see those, I'm like, mm, mm, no, no, no, I'll be standing, thank you very much.

Joanne Lockwood

And how uncomfortable is it? Everyone sits on the grass. You think I don't, how do I get down there then? How do I get back up? And it's bloody uncomfortable as a large body person just laying on the grass or sitting on the ground.

Sam Turlington

Yeah, it's, it can be so ridiculous. And you know, I'm, I'm really grateful that I, I'm a really active person and like my body because you know, of what I do and I, I love, I've always been bigger bodied and I love the way my body moves and I love what my body can handle and the amount of stuff that it can do. But the fact that I have to make accommodation in my just like day to day life to fit into the world around me. Like here in New York City, in every restaurant, tables are like yay far apart, like a couple inches apart and they expect you to walk past those tables to be sat. And I'm like, first of all, all of this lusciousness is not making it through that narrow little alleyway that you've made. But I don't think anybody should be forced into those narrow of spaces. It's just wrong. It's not.

Joanne Lockwood

Okay, well, the diners on one side are gonna get your butt in their face or wiping across their food. And the other side, it's probably your boobs, isn't it?

Sam Turlington

And then to my ultimate fear is that one day I'm gonna try to squeeze through a space of tables like that and they're gonna have like a bottle of wine sitting on the table and I'm just gonna knock it, I'm gonna knock that with my booty and then be like, I'm so sorry, now I have to buy your dinner and I'm just gonna like throw myself in the Hudson. It's shameful. I can't so, so bad. But if people would just be mindful and like move the tables a little farther apart, it's all you gotta do. And then it would be fine.

Joanne Lockwood

See, as a reformed large body person, I've got these storeys. I live with being larger than life. For 30, 40 years of my life, I've had the problem with the tray table. You know, you're on the plane, you end up having to force it in and you end up with a bit above and a bit below the tray table. And they put the dinner down there and sort of like wedge door, you want the extra long seat belt, you know, the booster on a train.

Sam Turlington

Well, air travel these days is just offensive to everybody. Aeroplanes are getting so uncomfortable because they're not thinking of anybody's comfort at all. And so I feel like a lot of the things that large bodied folk have been saying, hey, maybe consider X, Y and Z about how to fix this. Now more straight sized people are going, you know, yeah, it is uncomfortable. We really should have better things. And to that I say, you're welcome, you're welcome, straight sized people.

Joanne Lockwood

But the airline industry is solving that problem by charging you to pick your seat or to get the aisle to get the extra legroom, aren't they? So they're cashing in on people's size as a sales process, aren't they? That's what it is.

Sam Turlington

Yeah. I get offered upsells to first class all the time because they're roomier seats, they have more distance to the tray tables and stuff. They're like, oh, well, if you want to be more comfortable, go first class. I'm like, who in the world can afford this all the time? Like, it's ridiculous. No, absolutely not. I don't want to have to pay more just because my body exists the way it does.

Joanne Lockwood

Yeah, I remember I used to do a lot of short haul in Europe back in the 90s and I was quite a big person. I remember, more than not. I'd have a window and you're praying for no one to sit in the middle. And then you take off and the person on the other end and you look at each other go, dodged a bullet there. But sometimes I end up packed plane. I'd end up in the middle seat myself sometimes. And I remember walking up to the. Walking up to my aisle, seeing the person by the window, seeing the person by the.

Joanne Lockwood

And I look at them and go, big person, that's it. Yep, my seat. And they look at me and go, oh, you could just see. Oh, my God. And then you end up. You end up sitting there eating a meal with your arms crossed and trying to sort of keep your elbows in it. And it's such an uncomfortable thing.

Sam Turlington

It's, you know, where I have had that experience recently here in New York. Some of the Broadway houses are so small, their seats. I don't know how anybody is comfortable in them. Like, I'm about. I'm about a size 18, 20American. I think that's what, like a 22 in the UK. I sat. I was at the Nederlander Theatre recently and I sat in the seat and I was with my mate Bryce, and I was like, hey, buddy, I'm just gonna have to snuggle up next to you because this poor woman next to me, I was like crossing my arms over, like pulling in as tight as possible.

Sam Turlington

And Bryce, who's like a real fit guy, was like. He's like, yeah, my biceps are just. It's got. We're all sitting here tight together and I really loved this perspective of like, you know, really swole dudes are like, like talking to fat people, being like, oh, yeah, us too. We're all having a hard time squeezing in here. It was hilarious. But too small. Like, I don't know why in the world they would want people to watch a play squeezed into seats like that.

Sam Turlington

I barely remember anything about the first 10 minutes because I was so uncomfortable.

Joanne Lockwood

I also realised that you don't realise when you're a large body person that there's quite a lot of you on your butt and your back. So it actually pushes you further forward in the seat as well. You actually talk. You know, the length of your, your knees is quite long. So when you lose weight, you realise that actually Your bum goes further back in the seat and you've got a gap at the front of the seat now. But for years I was thinking, how can anyone. I can't even get my knees in here. And I remember sitting in the aisle, put my feet out and.

Joanne Lockwood

Yeah, it's so uncomfortable that it's not designed.

Sam Turlington

Yeah, no, it's so wild. And they cram. And tall people as well. I have a couple friends who are very tall and when we go to see shows, it's like they're constantly tucking their knees in and stuff. They're not made. Most places are not made for dimensions outside of, I don't know, the standard body for the thieves, you know, like from the 90s or something. It's ridiculous.

Joanne Lockwood

We're eating too much steak and red meat now. We're growing too big, aren't we?

Sam Turlington

It must be. I'll tell you, I haven't had red meat in a very long time. I'm a flexitarian. I mostly eat fish and chicken and I didn't realise just how much red meat is in all of. Like, especially as an American and how much red meat is like the centrepiece of all of our diet in America. Like it's all we eat. And sometimes finding meals, especially when I go to benefits and stuff, finding meals that are not beef or pork is really, really difficult.

Joanne Lockwood

My perception is that the meat, beef and pork, is cheap, cheap in the States compared with other parts.

Sam Turlington

It is.

Joanne Lockwood

And I don't want to get into debate about your food hygiene and GM and all that kind of. But you've got a lot more cattle and it's a lot more. There's a bigger market. So beef steaks in the US are large and cheap, aren't they? Generally, yeah.

Sam Turlington

And varying in quality. Of course, a big reason why I stopped eating particularly beef but red meat was because I just can't with how we treat our food here in the States. Growing up in a southern home, I think we ate beef steak three, four nights a week. It's just a normal thing to do. Like a meatloaf with ground beef in it or, you know, spaghetti and meatballs like chicken fried steak, you know, just constant meat. So when I was vegetarian it was a big deal.

Joanne Lockwood

I remember when I went to Florida with the family back in 2004, 21 years ago, it was either steak or it was lobster and spider crab everywhere. We just chowder.

Sam Turlington

We love our spider, we love our spider crabs, we love our crab legs buffet.

Joanne Lockwood

Yeah, it was, it was an all we can eat red lobster or something, Wherever the brand is.

Sam Turlington

Yeah, I'm gonna tell you, I don't. Red Lobster's not an establishment that I visit anymore. But they're cheddar biscuits. Come on now. They're pretty good. That's the class.

Joanne Lockwood

Maybe next time I go, next time I feel safe to come to the States, I will. And that. That kind of segues us onto a part of the conversation really is, how are you and your buddies, for want of a better way of describing it, how is it? What's the world like from your perspective?

Sam Turlington

I mean, it's difficult to know the temperature of the water when you're sitting in it. That's. That can be a struggle. I am incredibly grateful that I have spent years outside of the States because my time in Scotland allowed me to take a minute and reorient myself and look at my country from afar and really take stock of how things are. So, you know, of course, being a performer, you know, anytime someone's like, how are things? My gut reaction is to always be like, oh, yeah, it's great, we're getting on, everything's fine. But in all honesty, trans and non binary folk, all queer folk in America are in crisis right now. You know, we are dealing with, much like our siblings in the uk, our government constantly putting laws on our bodies and trying to limit our movement. And even if the legalities and the logistics are not permanent fixtures, the conversations around them, the constant checking in, the constant hearing, our identities weaponized, is exhausting and, you know, draining.

Sam Turlington

And it makes our joy and it makes our celebrations even more vital and rebellious. And I have never so fervently embraced joy as an act of resistance as I have right now. I didn't really know what that term meant until standing in this current cultural moment. Now I get what joy as resistance means because I have to live it every day.

Joanne Lockwood

Yeah, I often say to people that I'm a protest just by existing. It's kind of. I make people uncomfortable just by the fact I'm here. If you've never been in that position, you don't know what that means. Just by standing somewhere and being present, you are polarising people, aren't you?

Sam Turlington

Me being visible is me saying something. Walking around as myself during the day, I am making a statement. I am a walking protest all on my own, without meaning to be. I saw a TikTok recently that has just been echoing in my mind. You know how sometimes people go, oh, I don't get into politics, I don't like to get into politics. I don't follow politics. A woman on TikTok goes, well, politics followed you all the way to your house. Politics is very interested in you and is with you all the time.

Sam Turlington

And that is the core of how I feel at the moment.

Joanne Lockwood

Quite stressful, isn't it?

Sam Turlington

Yep. Thank goodness I have a good therapist. You know, it's exhausting. I will say there is something magical that happens when your entire community is stressed out and exhausted and you all come together and you go, okay, we're gonna be stressed out and exhausted together. And that creates tighter bonds. And I've never felt closer to my community than I feel now. But it is such a heavy weight and I'm ready for it to lift. Something's gotta give.

Sam Turlington

I don't know what that is.

Joanne Lockwood

And without sounding overdramatic, you're right, it does bond the community. I mean, you think about what's going on in Ukraine and how that's bonded the Ukrainian people together. What's going on in other war torn territories, what's going on in Gaza. Probably, yes. People are finding that solace in human contact in themselves. And I think the key thing from a human perspective is it's not having hope and not being alone, isn't it? And lonely. It's trying to find that kindred spirit. We need.

Joanne Lockwood

We need a tribe, don't we? We need a tribe. And bonding together in times of need is what we do as humans. I think that's what's happening.

Sam Turlington

Yeah. A core tenement of our humanity is being together and getting through things together. No great achievement was ever actually achieved solo alone. There is no world changing thing that has happened with one person. There's always if and if one person is put to the forefront of all this stuff happened because of this one person, there were hundreds probably of people around them, supporting them in some way, encouraging them in some way. So I think the power of community and the power of people is what's going to get us through all of this. I think it is the particularly the queer community. The magic thing about all of us is that our resilience does something to the people around us.

Sam Turlington

Seeing queer people be resilient inspires community and relation and empathy in other people. I have seen families who, you know, did not agree politically but who had queer members in them. I have seen the more conservative of these family members pivot and go, you know what? I'm watching you rally with your people. I'm watching you rally with your community and standing on what you know to be true and your identities. And while we might not agree with you. You're right to do it and you're right to fight the good fight. And it's inspiring. And they have joined up and still not understood fully, but.

Sam Turlington

But known it was right to do anyway. And I think that's an amazing thing about our community.

Joanne Lockwood

Is New York a relatively safe place? I mean, east coast, west coast, is it. It's a bit in the middle. That's the worst.

Sam Turlington

I find it to be a really safe place. I've lived here for over 10 years, and currently right now, we're in a time where a bunch of influencers online are like, oh, my God, New York is so scary. New York is what it's always been. I feel very protected here. That's not to say that harm doesn't happen here and that there aren't people who. It's a very touristy place. People come from all over the world, so, you know, things happen here. But all in all, I feel safer here than I do pretty much anywhere else in the United States.

Sam Turlington

I feel. I can tell when I leave New York City, there's a different feeling. But here, yeah, we're fine.

Joanne Lockwood

New York has zones anyway, doesn't it? It has the Bronx and place like that where you. You have to know where your. Where your community is and where your community isn't.

Sam Turlington

I know better than to go to Staten Island. I know better. I don't go there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's. There. Most of the communities keep to their own. Like, you know, no shade to Staten Island. I'm sure there's some really lovely people who live there, but, you know, that's.

Joanne Lockwood

Not a. I went there. I went to Staten island once when I was in New York. We heard that the Staten island ferry was free, so we thought, oh, if it's free, we'll go for a boat ride and go to Staten Island. So we went over there, boat ride, loads of people got off the other end, got on the next boat, came back again. It was like we had a little free tour across the bay. It's great.

Sam Turlington

That's a wonderful way to see Staten island and then immediately go back to Manhattan and we do it.

Joanne Lockwood

See it from the boat and wave at it.

Sam Turlington

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I feel very privileged to live. I'm in Brooklyn specifically, and I feel very privileged to live where I do and to feel as safe as I do. I know there are people who come to New York or people who are here who don't have that same experience, and I definitely hold space for that. But compared to like where I grew up and what my experience would be if I was living where I grew up or, you know, some other place like my. All of our siblings in Texas or Tennessee. Those places which are like actively dangerous for queer people. So in comparison, it's hard to ever say that I have a hard time here.

Joanne Lockwood

I was in Oakland last year in California and hanging around the Bay Area, San Francisco as well, on my own, largely apart from being at a conference. And I felt very safe. In fact, in Oakland I felt less safe as a white person than it had nothing to do with my gender or what.

Sam Turlington

Interesting. Yeah.

Joanne Lockwood

In fact, I was trans. I just felt nervous being around. They call them panhandlers, people begging on the street and on the. On the tube and subways. I felt more wary about the potential drug culture on the street and that kind of thing. That I felt more under threat by the random stranger somewhere than I ever felt around who I was, if you like.

Sam Turlington

It's. Isn't that interesting that depending on where you go changes what otherness you have that is being called attention to. I'm in some spaces where, you know, my otherness of size calls attention to me. I'm in spaces where my otherness of gender calls attention to me. And you know, sometimes I'm in spaces where, you know, my race is an otherness because I'm in a minority there. And it's just. Oh, it always fast is fascinating what you expect to be the thing that goes, I'm the only insert thing here in this space. And what makes you wary how that shifts and changes as you move through the world.

Joanne Lockwood

Picking up on that, what you just said there. You're the only one in that space. It's quite a lonely place sometimes, isn't it? Because you have all this responsibility to be the best one you can be, to not let your kind down. For a better way of putting it. But also hyper aware of that difference that other people perceive you and they clock you and suddenly you're on show, aren't you?

Sam Turlington

Yeah, I. Circling it, connecting it back to as an artist. I can't tell you how many times I walk into an audition room and I am the largest body in that space. I am also the queerest looking person in that space. Visibly, visibly, clockably queer. And every time, you know, especially in film and television, all eyes will just turn and look at me. And I am very hyper aware of. Of all the attention that is on me.

Sam Turlington

And I'm like, all right, everything I do has to be perfect. Otherwise people might make Assumptions about other people who look like me. And it's a large responsibility to bear.

Joanne Lockwood

So you've got the. Your queer responsibility, you've got your large body responsibility, you've got your non binary everything, everything's going on and your pansexuality's gotta kick in there as well. And just by the way, multi hyphenate. Hyphenated.

Sam Turlington

Yeah, my multi hyphenate identity constantly on display and constantly. I'm trying so hard to be a good advocate for my communities because, you know, as an extrovert, I feel like we have extra, you know, because we're the ones who will talk and engage with and have the capacity for it. I feel like I definitely have to take on that role as much as possible.

Joanne Lockwood

I just need a rest. I can't have a rest. I'm an extrovert. I've got to entertain everybody else.

Sam Turlington

I'm on all the time, constantly on. Although the older I get, the more important I'm realising. Taking the time to turn off and just rest and be away from things.

Joanne Lockwood

Really important bit neurodiversity kicks in. You get distracted on something and then you get gross on something else.

Sam Turlington

All the time. All the time.

Joanne Lockwood

Sounds normal to me.

Sam Turlington

Yeah, that's just. It's just my life, you know, that's just. I'm, you know, neurodiverse. And so the way my brain works, I've learned to just roll with the punches and let my personality like embody that and follow that and sit and wonder, wow, how do people who don't have this experience just do. That's amazing. And be in awe of other people's experiences.

Joanne Lockwood

Yeah. For the people who've never opened that door, whatever that door is. Yeah, yeah. You have the opportunity before you die to open the door and figure out.

Sam Turlington

Yes, it's never too late to open the door, it's never too late to crack the egg, as they say. And I encourage all people to shut it again.

Joanne Lockwood

If it's scary, just shut the door. Doesn't matter. Lock it, throw the key away.

Sam Turlington

Yeah, yeah.

Joanne Lockwood

But only do it after you've tried it.

Sam Turlington

Yeah. Life is too short not to open the door and at least see what's going on back there, you know?

Joanne Lockwood

Hmm. It's a lot of fun, actually. Most doors are crazy.

Sam Turlington

Truly. I had no idea that my life. Yeah, I had no idea that my life would be this joyful and this wonderful on the other side of the door. I thought it was gonna be scary and constant turmoil. But as bad as things are for our community. I've never felt so at home in myself and so joyful in the way that I live. I had no idea. So I will take the bad with the good easily.

Joanne Lockwood

What a conversation we've had. So we've been gnashering away now for an hour and a half. Half an hour in, I said to be better press record, otherwise I'm going to waste all this. For anyone listening right now, we've been doing this half an hour before you started. We carried on and we could carry on for another half an hour, I'm sure, but it's been absolutely fascinating to meet you, Sam. We both opened the door and we both bumped into each other and gone. Wow, what a place. How can people get hold of you? How can you help people?

Sam Turlington

So anyone who wants to get a hold of me, I'm on Instagram @seturli and you can check out my website seturlington.com and shoot me a message. My contact information is all on my website, so I'd be happy to connect with anybody.

Joanne Lockwood

So anybody who wants to talk about what open doors I guess is absolutely.

Sam Turlington

You want to know about opening doors, holler at me. I'll talk to you about, you know, picking the locks, how to relock the door. If you need to, I'll. I'll help you over across the threshold. Absolutely.

Joanne Lockwood

I'll just blatantly open it without any shame at all and in joyfully walk.

Sam Turlington

In to kick the door down. I'm here, I'm queer. My back pain is moderate to severe.

Joanne Lockwood

It's been a blast. Thank you so much.

Sam Turlington

Thank you so much.

Joanne Lockwood

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🔖 Titles
  1. Unlocking Authenticity: Exploring Non-Binary Identity, Queer Joy, and Storytelling in Creative Spaces

  2. Paths to Belonging: The Power of Inclusive Theatre, Identity, and Resilience

  3. The Art of Living Authentically: Why Storytelling and Representation Matter

  4. Beyond the Binary: Embracing Queer Joy and Diversity in the Arts

  5. From Curiosity to Connection: What Authentic Living Means for Non-Binary Creatives

  6. Acting Identity: Navigating Queer Spaces, Challenging Stereotypes, and Fostering Inclusion

  7. Creative Resistance: Joy, Community, and Authenticity in a Tumultuous World

  8. Living Out Loud: Discovering Self Through Performance, Storytelling, and Open Doors

  9. Theatre as Protest: Resilience and Belonging for Queer and Non-Binary Individuals

  10. Inclusive Stages: How Empathy, Representation, and Connection Spark Real Change

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Sam Turlington explores the nuances of authentic living, sharing how a multi-hyphenated creative identity and queer joy foster greater empathy, resilience, and the courage to step beyond binaries—ultimately inviting us to open the doors to our true selves.

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Authentic Living, Non Binary Identity, Queer Storytelling, Creative Careers, Inclusive Theatre, Gender Exploration, Overcoming Adversity, Community Resilience, Body Positivity, Joy as Resistance

Episode Summary with Intro, Key Points and a Takeaway

In this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood is joined by Sam Turlington for a vibrant exploration of what it means to live authentically, both on and off the stage. Together, they unpack the art of self-discovery, tapping into how curiosity, empathy, and a willingness to step beyond binaries can foster true inclusion. Joanne reflects on her own journey through identity and belonging, drawing parallels between public speaking and acting as forms of performance and authentic expression. The conversation delves into the realities of queer representation in creative spaces, the challenges of navigating non-inclusive environments, and the subtle yet profound ways “joy as resistance” has become vital for marginalised communities facing adversity.

Sam is a non binary, award-winning actor and multi-hyphenate creative whose work centres on championing queer joy and the nuances of authentic storytelling. Based in New York City, with strong ties to the UK via their education and ongoing creative collaborations, Sam brings a global perspective to the discussion. Their superpower lies in soulfully honouring the truth of people’s experiences, a quality that informs their approach to both performance and activism. From playing roles written for genders different to their own to actively consulting on scripts to improve queer representation, Sam’s commitment to authenticity is palpable. The episode shares candid insights into the practical, emotional, and ethical aspects of creative work that challenges stereotypes and expands what is possible in storytelling.

Listeners are invited to consider the dynamic relationship between authenticity, empathy, and inclusion—whether as creatives, allies, or simply those interested in living more truthfully. A key takeaway is the resilience forged through expressing and affirming one’s identity, and the value of engaging in spaces where you can both challenge and celebrate. Joanne and Sam encourage us all to open more doors—figuratively and literally—knowing that the journey towards belonging is ongoing and best pursued alongside community. This episode is a potent reminder of the power in owning your narrative and building inclusive spaces that allow everyone to thrive.

📚 Timestamped overview

00:00 "I'm a creative arts multi-hyphenate."

03:33 Curiosity and a desire for connection led to acting, self-discovery, and embracing a non-binary identity.

09:25 Actors must master improv or make scripted dialogue feel natural. Understanding conversational flow and recovery from mistakes is key to professionalism.

11:11 Good scripts prioritise meaningful, organic dialogue without unnecessary filler or fluff.

14:03 Attended an off off Broadway play, realised it was conservative propaganda, surprised such spaces exist, and learned theatre workers often have no control over who rents the venue.

18:40 In a production of As You Like It, the character Touchstone was reimagined as transitioning from stealth as a cis man to non-binary, using neopronouns like zee/zir to align with Shakespeare's experimental handling of gender.

23:03 The speaker came out later in life due to a lack of awareness and language for non-binary identities during their youth, eventually discovering their identity through theatre and a role as a trans woman.

26:15 A conversation about self-exploration, identity, and questioning one’s sense of belonging.

29:20 Stereotypes provide quick insights but need deeper exploration; casting should prioritise authenticity and representation.

32:28 Grateful for an active, larger body, but frustrated by narrow spaces in daily life, especially in NYC.

36:14 Broadway theatre seats in New York are uncomfortably small, especially for larger individuals.

40:37 Queer individuals in the US, like in the UK, face ongoing crises, restrictive laws, and identity-based challenges, which are exhausting and draining.

44:28 Humanity thrives on community; collective support and resilience drive meaningful achievements.

47:43 The speaker feels privileged and safe living in Brooklyn, especially compared to places like Texas or Tennessee, which can be dangerous for queer individuals.

49:06 Perceptions of "otherness" shift based on environment, highlighting different aspects of identity like size, gender, or race.

53:16 A fascinating 90-minute conversation with Sam, discussing connections and how to reach him for help.

55:03 Contact Joanne Lockwood at joe.lockwood@eechangehappen.co.uk to promote inclusivity.

📚 Timestamped overview

00:00 "Creative Arts Multi-Hyphenate"

03:33 "Curiosity Led Me to Acting"

09:25 The Importance of Improv Skill

11:11 "Recognising Quality in Scripts"

14:03 Unexpected Conservative Theatre Experience

18:40 Shakespeare, Gender, and Neopronouns

23:03 "Coming Out and Identity Evolution"

26:15 "Self-Exploration and Identity Questions"

29:20 Stereotypes in Acting and Reality

32:28 Navigating a World Too Narrow

36:14 Broadway Seating Woes

40:37 "Queer Crisis: Reflecting Abroad"

44:28 Power of Community and Resilience

47:43 "Privilege and Safety in Brooklyn"

49:06 The Shifting Nature of Otherness

53:16 Fascinating Conversation With Sam

55:03 "Inclusive Conversations with Joanne"

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This week, I’m thrilled to welcome Sam Turlington, a non-binary, award-winning actor and multi-hyphenated creative. Sam champions queer joy and brings the complexity of authentic storytelling centre stage. If you want to learn from someone who leaps off every binary and celebrates the richness of individuality, this is the episode for you.

Together, we unpack:

  • 🔑 Embracing Curiosity – How curiosity fuels self-discovery and deeper human connection, both on and off the stage.

  • 🔑 Challenging Stereotypes – Why stepping beyond labels creates more inclusive and vibrant creative spaces.

  • 🔑 Living Authentically – The power (and challenges) of soulfully honouring our truth, and why being your full self is a rebellious act of joy.

Why Listen? Inclusion means bringing your whole self to everything you do. This episode is packed with perspectives on gender identity, creative diversity, and the little victories that make belonging truly matter.

As the host of Inclusion Bites, I release episodes every week to spark change, share untold stories, and fire up real conversations about inclusion and belonging. This 60-second audiogram is your invitation to ignite those ideas!

What’s your take? 💭 Drop your reflections below 👇 or share what authenticity means to you.

🎧 Listen to the full episode here: https://seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen

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"Joy as resistance means I have to live it every day." – Sam Turlington


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Summary Description:
Step into a world where authentic living and Positive People Experiences fuel real Culture Change. Join me, Joanne Lockwood, as I dive into the power of identity, empathy, and resilience, inspired by my conversation with Sam Turlington, a non binary, multi-hyphenate creative and advocate for queer joy. Discover practical wisdom on challenging binaries, finding your place, and celebrating diversity beyond the surface. This episode unpacks not just how we survive, but how we thrive—transforming our struggles into strength, and our individuality into communal progress. Why listen? To ignite your own culture change journey and take action to build inclusive spaces where everyone belongs. Ready to join the movement? Don’t miss the call to disrupt norms and amplify voices that matter.


Outro:
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Stay curious, stay kind, and stay inclusive – Joanne Lockwood

ℹ️ Introduction

Welcome to another episode of Inclusion Bites, hosted by Joanne Lockwood, where bold conversations spark real change. In today’s episode, “The Art of Authentic Living”, Joanne Lockwood welcomes Sam Turlington, a non-binary, award-winning actor and multi-hyphenated creative whose work fiercely champions queer joy and authentic storytelling. Together, they delve into what it means to live truthfully, exploring identity both on and off stage, tackling the challenges and triumphs of being visibly queer in the arts, and unpacking how genuine connection and curiosity fuel personal growth.

This episode is a candid journey through self-discovery, resilience, and the power of embracing every facet of one’s identity. Whether reflecting on overcoming stereotypes, the nuances of representation, or the daily realities of belonging in today’s society, Joanne Lockwood and Sam invite listeners to reconsider the value of authenticity, community, and joyful resistance in a world that often demands conformity. So, settle in, adjust your earbuds, and prepare to ignite your passion for inclusion—this conversation is both transformative and celebratory, reminding us we’re all part of a story that matters.

💬 Keywords

inclusion, belonging, authentic living, non binary, queer joy, creative storytelling, multi-hyphenate, identity, acting, theatre, gender identity, empathy, diversity, LGBTQ+, representation, scriptwriting, public speaking, performance, societal transformation, community, resilience, fat acceptance, accessibility, discrimination, safe spaces, joy as resistance, activism, self-discovery, mental health, visibility

About this Episode

About The Episode:
In this inspiring conversation, Sam Turlington explores the art of authentic living as a non-binary, multi-hyphenate creative whose career champions queer joy and the complexity of identity. With honesty and warmth, Sam reflects on navigating the performing arts, challenging binaries, and cultivating spaces that foster true belonging. This episode examines how lived experience, self-discovery, and creative expression can drive wider societal transformation.

Today, we’ll cover:

  • The multifaceted reality of creative careers and the power of embracing multiple identities beyond the binary.

  • How authentic storytelling and lived experience enrich character portrayal and foster audience empathy.

  • Navigating the challenges of underrepresentation, stereotyping, and the balancing act of bringing one’s whole self into creative professions.

  • The significance of inclusive and queer-friendly spaces in the arts, and recognising that not all creative environments are welcoming by default.

  • The process and importance of re-examining traditional roles and scripts through a lens of authentic gender identity.

  • Managing the emotional and societal weight of visibility, and how community bonds develop amidst political and structural adversity.

  • The importance of opening doors, self-exploration, and finding joy and connection as lasting acts of resistance and personal growth.

💡 Speaker bios

Joanne Lockwood began her journey in the arts many years ago, training initially as an actor and earning her BFA. Over time, as both her career and personal interests evolved, Joanne’s path expanded well beyond the stage. She has since taken on roles as a film producer and play director, embracing a diverse array of creative positions. Rather than limit herself to a single title, Joanne proudly identifies as a “creative arts multi-hyphenate,” a testament to her dynamic and ever-evolving presence in the creative world.

❇️ Key topics and bullets

Certainly. Here’s a comprehensive, sequenced outline of the topics discussed in the transcript of "The Inclusion Bites Podcast: The Art of Authentic Living," with relevant sub-topics detailed below each main heading:


1. Introduction to the Podcast and Guest

  • Overview of Inclusion Bites’ mission: bold conversations to drive change

  • Focus on inclusion, belonging, and societal transformation

  • Introduction of the episode’s theme: “The Art of Authentic Living”

  • Guest introduction: Sam Turlington, non-binary actor and creative

  • Sam’s superpower: “seeing people soulfully honouring their experiences”

2. Sam Turlington’s Background and Career

  • Geographical background: American, based in New York City, with ties to the UK and Glasgow

  • Multi-hyphenate creative identity: actor, producer, director, artist

  • Discussion of the term “multi-hyphenate” and its resonance with being non-binary

  • Actor-first identity

3. Early Inspiration and Motivation

  • Sam’s curiosity and desire for connection as a driving internal force

  • Raised in a small, Southern US setting with limited exposure to diversity

  • Acting as a tool for empathy and exploration of diverse experiences

  • Link between artistic practice and gender self-discovery

4. The Craft of Acting and Professional Development

  • The process of embodying characters: shifting from self to the role

  • The importance of research, empathy and psychology in acting

  • Development of improvisational skill—handling unpredictable situations on stage

  • Importance of learning from mistakes and recovering in live performance

  • Distinctions between speaking as oneself (public/keynote speaking) and acting with others’ words

5. Authenticity in the Creative Space

  • Negotiating one’s own identity (non-binary) on and off stage

  • Experiences of bringing personal identity to traditionally gendered roles

  • Conversations with directors about dramaturgical impacts of casting non-binary actors

  • Case study: Adapting classic and new scripts to non-binary characterisation

  • Authenticity consultation and script revision process

6. Inclusivity and Exclusion in the Arts World

  • Stereotypes and assumptions about the arts as inherently inclusive

  • Encounter with conservative, exclusionary creative environments

  • Industry pressures: making a living while navigating personal ethics

  • The distinction between being tolerated and actively included

7. Gender, Non-Binary Identity, and Social Evolution

  • Personal journey through gender identity—finding home in non-binary identity

  • Reflection on generational shifts in language and options for self-understanding

  • The importance of validating non-linear and evolving gender journeys

  • Societal limitations and invisible barriers for previous generations

8. Embodiment, Physicality, and Representation

  • Discussion of large-bodied and fat representation in the arts

  • Challenges of public spaces and lack of accommodation for diverse bodies

  • The nuance and authenticity of lived fat experience in artistic portrayal

  • Critique of casting choices: thin actors in fat roles, authenticity in queer roles

9. Social and Political Realities for Trans and Non-Binary Individuals

  • Experience of being openly queer and non-binary in the US, especially New York

  • Current social climate: legislation, political hostility, and lived realities

  • Visibility as both protest and act of joy

  • The psychological impact of being politicised by default

10. The Power and Necessity of Community

  • The role of community and chosen family in resilience and survival

  • Joy and solidarity as acts of resistance

  • Community bonding under shared adversity, and its transformative effect

11. Navigating Intersectionality and Public Perception

  • Experiencing multiple layers of otherness simultaneously (size, queerness, neurodiversity)

  • Burden of representation in public and professional spaces

  • Constant awareness and responsibility toward one’s communities

  • Importance of rest, boundaries, and self-care for marginalised individuals

12. Final Reflections and Advice

  • The metaphor of opening and closing doors: exploration of identity and opportunity

  • Encouragement to embrace curiosity and exploration in life

  • Affirmation of joy and authenticity on the other side of self-discovery

13. Closing and Listener Engagement

  • Invitation for audience participation and ongoing conversation

  • Sharing contact details and avenues for further engagement

  • Parting thoughts: Fostering inclusion, amplifying voices, and continual learning


This sequence encapsulates the holistic journey of the conversation, demonstrating the interplay between personal experience, professional insight, and broader social realities within a framework of authentic, inclusive living.

The Hook
  1. Ever felt like you’re performing your life—scripted, rehearsed, on repeat? What if embracing your quirks and uncertainty is the real superpower for thriving in business... and, well, everywhere else? Get curious—what’s possible if you let your authentic self lead the way?

  2. Who decided you could only be ONE thing? (Spoiler: It wasn’t you.) The art of authentic living means tearing up the rulebook—daring to belong, not just fit in. Ready to jump off the binary and design a path that’s unapologetically yours?

  3. Been told to tone it down, play the part, blend in? Not today. Discover why BOLD visibility isn’t just personal—it’s downright revolutionary. Are you living as a protest, or just existing in the shadows? Let’s talk realness, discomfort + the joy of being seen.

  4. Is authenticity your secret weapon—or the thing you're still keeping locked behind the door? What IF curiosity and human connection are the only maps you need? (And what happens when you open that door?) Let's get radically honest.

  5. Ever wish you could re-write your script—ditch the stereotypes and bring your full self to business, friendships, life? It’s not only possible, it’s essential. Find out how authentic living could be the most rebellious (and profitable) act you ever commit.

🗞️ Newsletter

Subject: The Art of Authentic Living – Unpacking Queer Joy and Belonging


Dear Inclusion Bites Community,

Welcome back to another episode packed with insight, courage, and a dash of joy! Episode 188, “The Art of Authentic Living,” hosted by Joanne Lockwood, shines a spotlight on the power of authenticity—giving voice to lived experiences that matter most in our ever-evolving world of inclusion.

This Week’s Guest: Sam Turlington
Joanne Lockwood introduces Sam Turlington, a non-binary, award-winning actor and creative whose work celebrates queer joy and authentic storytelling. Sam’s superpower? “Soulfully honouring the truth of people’s experiences.” Throughout this episode, Sam demonstrates how transformation—not just within the arts, but in society—begins with curiosity and empathetic connection.

Breaking the Mould: Beyond Binaries
Sam shares their journey from a southern upbringing with limited exposure to difference, to embracing a multi-hyphenate creative identity. What does it mean to resist binaries? From acting to writing and beyond, Sam reveals the significance of bringing their authentic self—gender identity, body size, and neurodiversity—into every role, both on stage and off.

Queer Spaces & Creative Realities
Is every creative space as open and inclusive as we imagine? Sam’s candid stories remind us that inclusion in the arts is complex. While most creative communities celebrate diversity, some spaces challenge that assumption. The episode explores the difference between “being cool” with someone and truly practising inclusion, highlighting the necessity of vigilance and courage.

Casting, Stereotypes & Authentic Expression
Joanne Lockwood and Sam dive into industry nuances—how authentic casting and storylines foster empathy and break harmful stereotypes. Whether discussing CIS actors in queer roles, or larger-bodied people on screen, the conversation questions: Who should tell which stories? How can we deepen representation without falling into cliché?

Living Joyfully as Resistance
With the rise of political and cultural challenges, especially for queer and trans folk, the conversation turns to resilience. Sam describes joy itself as an act of resistance—community bonds forged through shared stress and hope become tools for survival and transformation. “Just by existing,” Joanne Lockwood notes, “we’re a protest.” It’s a rallying cry for all who feel ‘othered’ to embrace visibility and collective strength.

Open Doors: A Lasting Message
As the episode draws to a close, listeners are encouraged to open doors—literally and metaphorically—and to explore, challenge, and support one another. “Life’s too short not to open the door and see what’s back there,” Sam reflects. The invitation is clear: discover joy, community, and belonging on your own terms.


Listen & Engage:
Did this episode spark something in you? Tune in at seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen, or reach out directly to Joanne Lockwood at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk to share your thoughts, experiences, or to join a future show.

Let’s keep opening doors together.

Warm regards,
The Inclusion Bites Team


#InclusionBites #PositivePeopleExperiences #AuthenticLiving #QueerJoy #CommunityResilience

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Embracing Authenticity: My Experience on the Inclusion Bites Podcast

Recently, I had the privilege of joining Joanne Lockwood as a guest on the Inclusion Bites Podcast, an extraordinary platform dedicated to real conversations that drive change and challenge the very fabric of inclusion and belonging. Sitting down with Joanne, a champion for meaningful dialogue and societal transformation, provided an unmatched opportunity to share my journey as a non-binary, award-winning actor and multi-hyphenate creative—a journey rooted in queer joy, empathy, and the art of authentic living.

Why Inclusion Bites Resonates

From the very outset, the Inclusion Bites Podcast stands apart with its uncompromising approach to inclusion. It isn’t just about surface-level representation; it’s about stripping back the layers to expose real lived experience, unlocking untold stories and celebrating every shade of identity. For anyone who’s ever wondered what it truly means to belong, the podcast is a refuge—an invitation to challenge binaries and nurture communities where everyone can thrive.

Telling My Story: Beyond Labels and Limits

During our conversation, I explored how curiosity and the desire for connection have been the driving forces in my creative life. Growing up in a small southern space with limited exposure to the wider world, I was compelled to seek out difference and diversity. Acting became my gateway, allowing me to step into other people’s shoes, confront new experiences, and ultimately discover my own non-binary identity.

Joanne and I delved into what being “multi-hyphenate” really means—not simply accumulating job titles, but refusing to be boxed in by rigid definitions, both professionally and personally. For me, it’s mirroring my non-binary identity through my creative career, leaping off every binary I encounter, and advocating for authentic storytelling that reflects real life complexity.

The Reality of Queer Representation in the Arts

We talked candidly about the assumption that creative spaces are always inclusive or queer-friendly. Whilst many are, I shared some eye-opening experiences with productions that weren’t, highlighting the work still to be done to ensure true inclusion rather than mere tolerance. It was illuminating to address the responsibilities—and burdens—of being visibly queer and non-binary in industries that don’t always understand or embrace difference.

Moreover, we discussed the importance of authentic casting and the nuances of representation, whether it’s being a fat-bodied actor or a queer person playing queer characters. Real inclusion means letting people step into roles that reflect their genuine identities, rather than perpetuating stereotypes or erasing lived realities.

Living Authentically—and Joyfully—in a Tumultuous World

One of the most powerful threads in our discussion centred on resilience and joy in the face of adversity. Existing as a visible, queer person is an act of protest—a daily assertion of presence in spaces that can be challenging or even hostile. We spoke of the necessity for community, how solidarity and shared experience foster hope and drive change, especially for trans and non-binary folk in today’s climate.

Joanne’s warmth and understanding made it possible to discuss not only the struggles—politics following us to our very door—but also the lightness: the oddities of stagecraft, the realities of living in a fat body, and the immeasurable joy found on the other side of the metaphorical door.

For Those Still Wondering

To anyone apprehensive about opening their own door to authenticity—be it gender, sexuality, neurodiversity, or any “otherness”—my conversation with Joanne is proof that it’s never too late. Sometimes, it takes a life trigger or a transformative moment of connection to embrace who we actually are, and that journey, while daunting, can lead to unexpected joy, fulfilment, and community.

Connect with Me

If you’re inspired by this conversation and wish to explore authenticity, inclusion, or creative collaboration, I would love to connect. You’ll find me on Instagram @etirly and via my website at seturlington.com. Let’s keep the dialogue going—about opening, exploring, and even closing doors, and about supporting one another on our own journeys to true belonging.


I am deeply grateful to Joanne Lockwood and the Inclusion Bites Podcast for offering a space where stories are heard, challenged, and celebrated. Let’s continue to disrupt the norms—one bold conversation at a time.

Listen to the full episode and join the Inclusion Bites community here: Inclusion Bites Podcast

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Pain Points and Challenges

Certainly! The episode “The Art of Authentic Living” from Inclusion Bites Podcast, hosted by Joanne Lockwood, surfaces several specific pain points and challenges faced by marginalised identities within creative industries and society at large. Here’s a succinct outline of issues discussed, paired with focused content on how to address each:


1. Challenge of Authentic Representation and Multi-Hyphenate Identity

  • Pain Point: The binary nature of traditional roles, both in terms of gender and artistic careers, often limits authentic self-expression. As discussed, creatives like Sam Turlington are frequently expected to fit into pre-defined identity boxes or singular job titles, which does not reflect real human complexity or diversity of experience.

  • Response: Organisations must recognise and celebrate multi-hyphenate and non-binary talents, especially in hiring and casting. Encourage policies that allow individuals to bring their whole selves to work and artistic production, consciously breaking down binary frameworks—whether they pertain to gender, job titles, or lived experience. Platforms can provide space for narratives that exist outside traditional binaries, amplifying stories that span across identities and disciplines.

  • Rhetorical Question: What might creative output and organisational culture look like if people were genuinely free to inhabit more than one identity – professionally and personally?


2. Financial and Emotional Barriers for Emerging Creatives

  • Pain Point: Early career creatives, especially those from marginalised backgrounds, face disproportionate financial hardship, rejection, and instability. Both Joanne Lockwood and Sam highlighted how the costs and unpredictable work in acting may exclude many.

  • Response: Establish dedicated grants, paid development programmes, and mentorship for rising actors and creatives, particularly those from underrepresented groups. Shift industry norms to ensure fair pay for minor roles and provide access to mental health support networks to help individuals navigate rejection and uncertainty.

  • Engagement: The arts are richer and more resilient when entry isn’t restricted by one’s bank account or rejection tally—how can we work collectively to lower these barriers?


3. Lack of Real Inclusion in Supposedly ‘Open’ Creative Spaces

  • Pain Point: There’s a misconception that theatre and film are fully inclusive; however, instances of conservative or exclusionary productions and unsafe work environments still exist. Space rental policies and casting practices may mask harmful narratives under a creative veneer.

  • Response: Production companies and venue operators need robust vetting practices to actively exclude hate-based or discriminatory content and programming. Create clear reporting mechanisms for cast, crew, and audience members to flag concerns about inclusion and safety. Run regular training for creative teams on intersectional inclusion, to ensure empathy translates into action, not just good intentions.

  • Theory-of-Mind Reflection: If empathy is a requirement, then true inclusion must mean not only tolerance, but actively uplifting and celebrating divergent identities, stories, and truths.


4. Authentic Casting and Non-Binary/Gender Diverse Representation

  • Pain Point: Non-binary and trans actors frequently face relegation to playing binary roles, with little space to infuse personal identity or challenge narrative assumptions. Casting for queer and fat bodies is similarly fraught, with harmful stereotypes often perpetuated.

  • Response: Casting directors and writers should routinely interrogate their own biases and rewrite roles to reflect the identities of their performers. Integrate holistic authenticity consultations into both pre-production and rehearsal to ensure scripts, pronouns, and relationships accurately represent lived reality. Explicitly seek gender diverse, fat-bodied, and queer talent for stories where their identity is vital.

  • Engagement: Whose story is being told, and who has the authority to tell it with lived expertise, rather than through assumption or stereotype?


5. Social and Political Hostility Towards Queer and Non-Binary People

  • Pain Point: Both in the UK and US, legal, social, and political pressures threaten the safety and wellbeing of queer and trans individuals, resulting in exhaustion and hypervigilance.

  • Response: Employers, allies, and community leaders should provide safe spaces and advocate for anti-discrimination laws. Support visibility campaigns emphasising joy and resistance (as described: ‘joy as protest’), and prioritise solidarity, connection, and mental health support—in or outside of activist circles.

  • Reflection: Political climate may follow you home, but collective joy and mutual aid become invaluable acts of resistance.


6. Accessibility Failings—Fatphobia, Seating, and Physical Space Design

  • Pain Point: Fat-bodied individuals are routinely excluded by the built environment: seats in theatres, planes, and restaurants (often discussed humorously, but with an underlying sense of exclusion).

  • Response: Conduct accessibility audits in public spaces, ensuring furniture, facilities, and environments welcome diverse bodies. Campaign for universal design standards that celebrate difference, not compromise or shame. Joanne Lockwood’s accounts highlight how everyday spaces repeatedly remind some people they are not considered in design.

  • Engagement: Are our public and communal spaces a reflection of who we are, or who some assume we ought to be?


Conclusion: Fostering a Community of Belonging and Advocacy

By courageously naming these pain points, Inclusion Bites is not merely a platform for reflection—it is a call to action. Addressing each issue means moving from passive ‘tolerance’ to active, structural change. Let’s ensure that creative workspaces are a springboard for everyone to live and create authentically, without fear of exclusion.

If you wish to join the conversation, share your own story, or connect with like-minded advocates, you can reach Joanne Lockwood at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk, or tune in to more episodes at Inclusion Bites Podcast.

#InclusionBites #AuthenticLiving #JoyAsProtest

Questions Asked that were insightful

Certainly! Drawing from the episode "The Art of Authentic Living" on the Inclusion Bites Podcast, here is a curated selection of especially engaging questions and the insightful responses they provoked. These could serve as a valuable FAQ resource for your audience, fostering deeper reflection and sparking meaningful discussions about authenticity, identity, creativity, and inclusion.


Inclusion Bites Podcast — FAQ Series: The Art of Authentic Living

1. What does it mean to be a "multi-hyphenate creative"?

  • Response Highlight:
    Sam Turlington explained that their career journey has traversed roles from actor to producer and director, noting, "I don't know that just one title suits me... saying 12 of them would be a mouthful. So I'm a creative arts multi-hyphenate." The notion captured the fluidity and adaptability required to thrive within the modern creative industries.


2. How does non-binary identity shape one's creative and professional path?

  • Response Highlight:
    When Joanne Lockwood drew a parallel between multi-hyphenate creativity and non-binary identity, Sam Turlington responded, "If I find myself on a binary, I jump off of it immediately," elegantly encapsulating the drive to transcend imposed boundaries, both artistically and personally.


3. What inspired Sam's journey into acting and self-discovery?

  • Response Highlight:
    Sam Turlington shared a deep-rooted "curiosity" and urge for connection: "My core nature of curiosity and wanting connection with the outside world led me to acting... it led me even deeper in myself to discover that I’m non-binary and that my experience of the world is much more varied than I originally thought."


4. Is the creative arts sector truly inclusive of queer identities?

  • Response Highlight:
    Sam Turlington addressed this with nuance: "Yes, with an asterisk. The majority of creative spaces are open to queer people... It shocked me to discover some creative places are not." They described the distinction between passive tolerance and active inclusion, and recounted rare but striking experiences where exclusion occurred—even in the arts.


5. How does one navigate authenticity when cast in roles outside their own lived experience?

  • Response Highlight:
    Sam Turlington stated, "My first and foremost approach is to always bring my identity to a role," and recounted negotiating with directors to authentically reflect non-binary identity even when scripts or originals defined otherwise—sometimes influencing the play itself to evolve.


6. What insight does Sam offer about opening doors to self-discovery?

  • Response Highlight:
    A poignant metaphor emerged as Sam Turlington encouraged listeners: "It’s never too late to open the door, it’s never too late to crack the egg, as they say. I encourage all people to shut it again if it’s scary, but only after you've tried it." This approach to self-exploration was echoed throughout the conversation.


7. How do intersecting identities affect visibility and expectation in professional spaces?

  • Response Highlight:
    Sam Turlington reflected on entering audition rooms: "I am the largest body in that space. I am also the queerest looking person... all eyes will just turn and look at me. Everything I do has to be perfect; otherwise people might make assumptions about other people who look like me." The response underscored the extra pressures and sense of responsibility felt by those at the intersections of marginalised identities.


8. What is the reality of safety and community for queer people in metropolitan spaces like New York?

  • Response Highlight:
    Asked about safety, Sam Turlington said, "I feel very protected here... I feel safer here than I do pretty much anywhere else in the United States," noting, however, that safety differs sharply depending on geography and context, and acknowledging the profound challenges that persist elsewhere.


9. How do societal and political climates affect daily life for trans and non-binary individuals?

  • Response Highlight:
    Sam Turlington described the present as "crisis," with "our government constantly putting laws on our bodies and trying to limit our movement... the constant hearing of our identities weaponised is exhausting... it makes our joy and celebrations even more vital and rebellious." This illustrates the tension and resilience defining queer existence in today’s world.


These FAQs, grounded firmly in the transcript, are intended to inspire listeners, spark dialogue, and provide clarity on complex themes explored in the episode. Would you like to see these expanded into a resource for your podcast website, or perhaps accompanied by listener reflections for deeper engagement?

Blog article based on the episode

The Art of Authentic Living: How Embracing Identity Ignites Inclusion

“If I find myself on a binary, I jump off of it immediately.”
These words from Sam Turlington, the featured guest on The Inclusion Bites Podcast episode “The Art of Authentic Living,” are both a rallying cry and a challenge to everyone daring to live authentically.

The Problem: The World’s Reluctance to Embrace Non-Binary Narratives

Diversity and inclusion have become buzzwords in contemporary conversations, yet our day-to-day realities are often shaped by entrenched binaries, assumptions, and a lack of true belonging. For those living outside the gender binary—non-binary, queer, or otherwise—the toll is persistent and personal.

As Joanne Lockwood so insightfully introduces, Inclusion Bites is not just a space for surface-level debate. It’s a sanctuary where unspoken truths are illuminated. In “The Art of Authentic Living,” Sam Turlington unveils a world where even the creative industries, often assumed to be havens for queerness, can harbour invisible barriers and undercurrents of exclusion. Sam, a non-binary, award-winning actor and indefatigable multi-hyphenate, unpacks how the “performance” of identity is both liberating and fraught with invisible obstacles.

So what is the core problem?
Despite progress, significant portions of society are still shackled by narrow expectations: gender binaries, one-size-fits-all identities, and institutions that tacitly demand assimilation. Non-binary individuals routinely find themselves fighting for both basic visibility and a nuanced recognition of their lived experience. The world is often “cool” with marginalised identities but not truly inclusive of them—a chasm which translates to daily microaggressions, reduced opportunities, and the exhausting pressure to perform, explain, or justify one’s own existence.

The Power of Authentic Living: Why “Fitting In” Fails Us All

Throughout the episode, Sam prises open the notion that a singular identity—or even a single professional label—cannot encompass a whole person. The term “multi-hyphenate” is reclaimed to describe not instability or confusion, but the richness of a life lived beyond the prescribed checkboxes. Curiosity, Sam argues, led to acting, and acting, in turn, became a mechanism to explore and empathise with humanity in its vibrant variety.

Why does this matter? Because being non-binary is not a performance for applause—it’s a life lived with rigour and intention, against the odds. And in a world that commodifies difference for entertainment, yet often recoils from messy, real difference in the boardroom or the theatre, living authentically is a daily act of resistance.

Joanne Lockwood’s personal journey mirrors this: the transition from managing IT businesses to becoming a professional speaker and inclusion advocate was not only vocational, but existential—a journey towards a “stage” where the message isn’t scripted, but urgently personal.

Lifting the Curtain: What Creative Spaces Teach Us About Inclusion (and Its Limits)

One persistent stereotype is the belief that creative industries are inherently more inclusive. Sam Turlington delivers a healthy dose of realism: whilst theatre, film, and art do foster many queer-friendly pockets, even these are not immune to exclusion, subtle bigotry, or economic pressures that silence dissent. Sam’s anecdote about attending a shockingly conservative play in the heart of New York’s theatre scene lays bare this contradiction—reminding us that true inclusion isn’t “hired” for the night, but built into the foundation.

It’s not just about casting non-binary actors or giving fat-bodied performers the spotlight. It’s about transforming how characters are written, how narratives are crafted, and whether the industry, as a whole, is prepared to bring lived experience to the centre—rather than treat it as a marketing gambit.

Actionable Steps: Building Radical Inclusion, One Door at a Time

So, how do we move beyond the abstract and catalyse genuine inclusion in our own spaces—be it an office, classroom, or auditorium?

1. Challenge the Binary—Not Just in Gender, But in Roles and Expectations
Encourage colleagues, friends, and yourself to explore multi-hyphenate identities—in work, artistry, and life. One’s job title or gender marker need not be destiny. Question the assumptions you make about people’s choices and roles, especially in team assignments or leadership pathways.

2. Centre Lived Experience in Representation
Whether you’re producing a play, hiring for your organisation, or hosting an event, don’t just “cast” for visible diversity. Engage deeply with the lived realities of marginalised folk—invite them to shape the script (sometimes literally), consult on authenticity, and lead the dialogue.

3. Normalise the Evolution of Identity
Support environments where people can “soft launch” parts of their identity, experiment, and change. Avoid policing language or framing non-binary identities as waystations to “somewhere else”—many, like Sam, find home here.

4. Share the Burden, Amplify the Joy
Recognise that those living visibly diverse lives often carry an outsized load—responsibility for representation, for teaching others, for correcting stereotypes. If you’re in the dominant group, be proactive in relieving this burden by staying informed and intervening against microaggressions or exclusionary practices.

5. Foster Community and Resilience
With the rise in legislative and cultural threats (on both sides of the Atlantic), solidarity and community matter more than ever. Take inspiration from Sam’s mantra: “I have never so fervently embraced joy as an act of resistance as I have right now.” Seek out opportunities to celebrate queer joy, especially in times of crisis.

6. Rethink Physical and Emotional Access
From airline seats to theatre aisles, physical barriers are exclusionary. Audit your organisation’s “spaces” for comfort, dignity, and access—for all bodies and identities.

Conclusion: Kick Open the Doors—And Keep Them Open

The Art of Authentic Living is more than a podcast episode: it’s an invitation to interrogate who we are collectively and individually. As Sam Turlington urges, don’t just knock on the door of your identity—kick it open, or “crack the egg,” as they say. Whether you move on, stay awhile, or discover a new room you never expected, embracing authenticity is a gift to yourself—and a beacon for others. The messiness, the joy, the uncertainty: these are signs you’re living, not merely performing.

As Joanne Lockwood concludes, the journey towards inclusion is indivisible from personal courage and relentless collective action. Inclusion is not “owned” by HR or the arts—it is engineered, daily, by communities who refuse to settle for being “cool with everyone,” but insist on truly belonging.

If you’re inspired, unsettled, or simply curious, you can listen to “The Art of Authentic Living” episode here: Inclusion Bites Podcast. Connect with Sam Turlington via their website or Instagram, or reach out to Joanne Lockwood at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk.

It’s never too late to open the door. Let’s create brave spaces where everyone feels at home. Join the movement—one bite at a time.

The standout line from this episode

The standout line from this episode is:

"I had no idea that my life would be this joyful and this wonderful on the other side of the door." – Sam Turlington

❓ Questions

Certainly! Here are ten discussion questions inspired directly by themes and insights from "The Art of Authentic Living" episode of Inclusion Bites:

  1. How did Sam Turlington’s journey as a “multi-hyphenate creative” influence their understanding of authentic identity, and what parallels can be drawn with non-binary self-discovery?

  2. The episode touched on the distinction between spaces that are “queer-friendly” and those that are truly inclusive. What do you think are the key differences, and why does it matter?

  3. Joanne Lockwood described her stage as a keynote speaker as “a performance” and drew parallels with acting. In what ways can authenticity and performance coexist, particularly for marginalised identities?

  4. What are the psychological and emotional implications of being the “only one” (whether in terms of gender, body size, or other identity markers) in a professional or social space, as discussed in this episode?

  5. Reflecting on Sam’s theatre experiences, especially when playing characters who are cisgender or of a different gender identity, how can the arts challenge or reinforce stereotypes?

  6. What impact does language, or the lack of it, have on personal identity development—as illustrated by both Sam and Joanne Lockwood reflecting on the “missing language” of the past and new labels emerging today?

  7. Discuss the notion that “joy is an act of resistance”, especially for LGBTQ+ people in the current social climate described by Sam. How can communities harness this idea?

  8. What ethical responsibilities do creatives hold when accepting roles or projects that may conflict with their values or identities, as highlighted in Sam’s account of the off-Broadway experience?

  9. How do practical barriers, such as inaccessible theatre seating or discriminatory airline practices, intersect with and reinforce feelings of exclusion for people in larger bodies?

  10. Joanne Lockwood and Sam both spoke about “opening doors” into exploring their identities. What advice or encouragement would you offer to someone still hesitant to open their own metaphorical door, based on learnings from this episode?

These questions are designed to provoke thoughtful group or individual reflection, bringing the lived experience and personal narratives from the episode to the fore.

FAQs from the Episode

FAQ: The Art of Authentic Living — Inclusion Bites Podcast

1. What does it mean to be a “multi-hyphenate creative” and how does this relate to identity?

A multi-hyphenate creative is someone who actively pursues and embodies multiple roles and creative identities—such as actor, producer, director, and writer—rather than fitting rigidly into a single professional label. As Sam Turlington explained, it’s a pragmatic way to acknowledge broad creative interests without the need to list every job title. This concept echoes the rejection of binaries and resonates with non-binary identities: both in career and personal identity, freedom comes from moving beyond one prescribed categorisation.

2. How does acting contribute to self-discovery and authentic living?

Acting offers the opportunity to explore diverse human experiences and step into other people's shoes. Sam Turlington described how performing in scripted roles created space for personal growth, empathy, and curiosity, ultimately fostering a deeper understanding of their own identity, including their journey to being non-binary. This process allows actors not just to portray others, but to reflect and discover truths about themselves.

3. Is the creative arts sector typically inclusive of queer and non-binary people?

Most creative spaces tend to be open and inclusive towards queer and non-binary individuals, promoting empathy and varied representation. Nonetheless, as Sam Turlington noted, there are exceptions—some artistic environments still lack genuine inclusivity, sometimes even promoting harmful narratives. True inclusion goes beyond mere tolerance; it requires active acceptance and integration of diverse identities.

4. Can actors bring their authentic selves to roles that traditionally have a fixed gender or identity?

Absolutely. Sam Turlington emphasised that they seek to infuse every character with aspects of their own identity. Casting non-binary or queer individuals in roles originally written for cisgender characters can enrich the narrative, provoke necessary dramaturgical conversations, and improve the authenticity and depth of a storey. This approach sometimes leads to scripts being revised to reflect inclusive realities.

5. How does gender exploration manifest in both personal life and artistic performance?

Gender exploration is often a journey, sometimes involving gradual shifts in identity expression (“soft launches”) or periods of questioning. In performance, this can echo real life, with characters evolving in gender identity throughout a play, as was the case with Sam Turlington in a Shakespeare production. Authentic representation requires thoughtful adjustment of interactions, language, and relationships within the narrative.

6. What barriers and challenges do queer and trans people currently face in the US and UK arts?

Both countries are witnessing heightened scrutiny and legislative challenges around queer and trans rights. There is continual political and societal pressure, with identities too often weaponised in public discourse. As Sam Turlington shared, this leads to exhaustion but also galvanises communities to resist through celebration and joy—joy itself becomes an act of rebellion.

7. Why does representation matter in casting for film and theatre?

Authentic representation ensures people bring their lived experience into roles. As Sam Turlington discussed, casting thin actors as larger-bodied characters, or cisgender actors as trans roles, fails to capture the nuances and realities those groups live. Real lived experience—be it physical, gender-based, or cultural—infuses performances with credibility and depth, and helps dismantle harmful stereotypes.

8. What is ‘joy as resistance’ and why is it significant for marginalised communities?

‘Joy as resistance’ refers to openly celebrating one’s identity and achievements as a form of protest against oppression. In moments of crisis, joy knits communities together, forges stronger bonds, and becomes a powerful act of defiance. Sam Turlington and Joanne Lockwood both highlighted how being visibly themselves and forging connections creates hope and fortifies the spirit against societal adversity.

9. How does “opening doors” relate to authentic living?

“Opening doors” is a metaphor for self-exploration, trying new experiences, and embracing authentic identity. Both Sam Turlington and Joanne Lockwood encouraged listeners to be curious and courageous—open a door to self-discovery, and if it feels wrong, close it again. But most importantly, give yourself permission to try.

10. How can listeners connect with the guests or continue the conversation on inclusion?

Listeners are invited to connect by reaching out to Joanne Lockwood at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk or via https://seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen. Sam Turlington is also accessible through Instagram (@etirly) and their website (seturlington.com). Both encourage honest conversation and support for those navigating their own journey towards authenticity.


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Tell me more about the guest and their views

The guest featured in this episode is Sam Turlington, a non-binary, award-winning actor and multi-hyphenated creative whose body of work actively champions queer joy and the nuanced complexity of authentic storytelling. Sam’s multi-hyphenate identity touches on multiple creative roles—acting, producing, directing, among others—rejecting the notion of being tethered to one title or binary definition. As Sam shares, if they ever “find themselves on a binary, they jump off immediately,” speaking to both their refusal to be hemmed in as an artist and their lived experience as non-binary.

Sam’s worldview is distinctly shaped by a curiosity rooted in connection and empathy. Growing up in a relatively insular, southern American environment, Sam was naturally drawn to perspectives outside their upbringing. This curiosity and drive for authentic human connection steered them toward acting, where the ability to embody diverse lives, understand unfamiliar perspectives, and research other people’s experiences fostered a deep sense of empathy—a central value in their approach to work and life.

Sam’s views on authentic living are unflinchingly honest: bringing their true self to any role is non-negotiable, whether they are cast as a cisgender man, woman, or a character whose gender identity is evolving within the story. Sam described a highlight in their career where their lived experience as a non-binary person enriched the narrative and led to meaningful change—a character they played was rewritten to be non binary, strengthening the story and providing greater authenticity.

Sam also reflected on the theatre and creative spaces as (mostly) welcoming environments for queer identities, yet called attention to the uncomfortable reality that pockets of exclusion and conservative values do still exist, even within seemingly progressive creative industries. This tension surfaced in a memorable story where Sam found themselves in a theatre putting on a deeply conservative, exclusionary piece—an experience that unsettled their assumption that the arts were universally inclusive.

Beyond their artistic lens, Sam is candid about the challenges facing the queer and trans community in America, especially with the rise in hostile legislation and public discourse. Visibility, Sam notes, becomes an act of protest in itself, and cultivating joy and community are seen as both a vital and rebellious response to adversity. They are keenly aware of the power and burden of representation, describing the pressure of being the only visibly queer, non-binary, large-bodied person in audition spaces and how that responsibility can be both isolating and galvanising.

Ultimately, Sam’s perspective is one of radical empathy, persistent self-exploration, and unapologetic authenticity. Whether discussing their approach to character work, reflections on body size inclusivity, or the resilience of queer communities, Sam continually emphasises the importance of bringing your whole self to every encounter—professionally and personally. They encourage everyone to “open the door” to self-exploration, even if that journey eventually leads somewhere unexpected, and celebrate the profound joy that comes from embracing one’s identity, despite the external challenges.

In this episode, Sam Turlington emerges as a thoughtful, resilient, and genuinely inspiring advocate for queer representation, authentic living, and the messy, beautiful work of fostering true inclusion—both on stage and in the world at large.

Ideas for Future Training and Workshops based on this Episode

Certainly! Drawing upon the rich discussion between Joanne Lockwood and Sam Turlington in "The Art of Authentic Living" episode, here are several actionable training and workshop ideas designed to amplify inclusion, authenticity, and belonging in life and the workplace:


1. Workshop: “Embodying Authenticity—Living Beyond the Binary”

  • Focus: Exploration of identity beyond binaries, inspired by Sam’s non-binary perspective and multi-hyphenate creative career.

  • Activities: Self-reflection exercises, creative storytelling, group dialogue on personal identities, and practices for honouring one’s authentic self in professional and personal spheres.


2. Training: “Actors of Empathy—Understanding Others Through Role Play”

  • Focus: Harnessing acting techniques to build empathy and understanding for diverse perspectives, as discussed in the episode’s dialogue about stepping into others’ shoes.

  • Activities: Improv sessions, character exploration from varied backgrounds, simulated conversations, and guided debriefs about emotional responses and learning.


3. Workshop: “Language as Inclusion—Pronouns, Scripts and Authentic Communication”

  • Focus: The importance of language, pronouns, and narrative construction in fostering inclusion, drawing from the script adaptation and pronoun evolution examples.

  • Activities: Interactive modules on inclusive language, scenario-based exercises on adapting scripts or conversations, and collaborative problem-solving for missteps in everyday speech.


4. Training: “Resilience in Community—Finding Joy as Protest”

  • Focus: Building personal and collective resilience in marginalised communities, touching upon themes of joy as resistance and solidarity in adversity.

  • Activities: Story circles, mindfulness practices, celebration strategies, and facilitation of safe spaces for sharing lived experiences.


5. Workshop: “Rest, Neurodiversity and Boundaries—Self-Care for Changemakers”

  • Focus: Supporting extroverts, neurodiverse individuals, and leaders in understanding the necessity of rest and boundaries, echoing the discussion about “turning off” and self-care.

  • Activities: Energy management mapping, boundary-setting role-plays, guided meditative rest, and reflection on sustainable activism.


6. Training: “Physical Inclusion—Designing Spaces for All Bodies”

  • Focus: Addressing fat-phobia and accessibility in built environments, inspired by Sam’s and Joanne Lockwood's narratives around physical space exclusion.

  • Activities: Space audits, empathy walks with simulation suits, scenario planning for inclusive design, and tangible recommendations for practical improvements.


7. Workshop: “Navigating Solo Identity—Being ‘The Only One’ in the Room”

  • Focus: Supporting those who hold intersectional, visible difference in teams or communities, and managing the pressures of representation and advocacy.

  • Activities: Group coaching on vulnerability, peer mentoring circles, resilience-building toolkits, and strategies for fostering solidarity.


8. Training: “Unlocking Doors—Exploring and Respecting Fluid Journeys of Identity”

  • Focus: Encouraging curiosity and respectful exploration of identity as lifelong processes, guided by the episode’s metaphor of “opening doors.”

  • Activities: Narrative mapping, role-play on respectful inquiry, brainstorming supportive policies for fluid identity journeys, and building allyship.


All sessions can be tailored for HR professionals, managers, DEI leaders, as well as mixed workplace cohorts. Each is designed to foster reflective practice, actionable change, and deeper conversations.

To enquire about bespoke workshops or to join future sessions, contact Joanne Lockwood at jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk, or visit Inclusion Bites Podcast for more information and to connect with other changemakers.


These ideas directly reflect the transcript’s themes and real-life challenges detailed by both speakers and offer practical ways to embed learning and action.

🪡 Threads by Instagram
  1. Authentic living means honouring our whole selves—identity, body, and experience. Joanne Lockwood and Sam Turlington show being non-binary and a multi-hyphenate creative breaks binaries, making space for every story to thrive.

  2. Joy is a powerful protest. Sam and Joanne Lockwood discuss resilience in queer and trans communities—how celebrating oneself isn’t just survival, it’s resistance. How will you embrace joy today?

  3. The creative arts aren’t immune to bias. Sam exposes how some spaces may exclude, even within theatre. Inclusion means going beyond tolerance—it’s about embracing, advocating, and rewriting the narrative together.

  4. Fat-bodied and queer folk know the world isn’t always designed for comfort. Listen to Sam and Joanne Lockwood swap stories of chairs, plane seats, and the everyday adaptations that reveal where true belonging matters.

  5. Opening new doors can be scary—but it might also bring you home to joy and self-acceptance, just as Sam found through acting. What’s the door you need to open? Sometimes, the most authentic life is waiting just on the other side.

Leadership Insights - YouTube Short Video Script on Common Problems for Leaders to Address

Leadership Insights Channel: How Leaders Can Foster Authenticity and Inclusion

If you’re a leader, here’s a common challenge: members of your team may feel they need to conceal parts of who they are just to fit in. This damages not only individual wellbeing, but also stifles creativity and trust across the organisation.

So, what can you do to solve this?
Firstly, demonstrate genuine curiosity and empathy towards every team member’s experience. Listen actively—not to respond, but to truly understand.
Secondly, acknowledge that inclusion requires more than just tolerance; it demands active allyship and the celebration of diverse identities. Don’t assume creative or “open” environments are always inclusive—be alert to hidden barriers, and call out harmful behaviour if it arises.
Finally, create space for dialogue. Invite storeys, encourage questions, and let people know that exploring their authentic selves will be met with respect, not judgement.

Here’s the outcome: when you honour everyone’s truth and cultivate belonging intentionally, people engage more fully, ideas flourish, and you unlock extraordinary resilience in your team.

Lead by example. Foster authenticity. Reap the rewards of an empowered, inclusive culture!

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Subject: The Art of Authentic Living—Unlocking Joy, Identity, and Inclusion 🌈


Hello Inclusion Bites family,

Get ready to plug in your earbuds and get inspired! Our latest episode, The Art of Authentic Living, is here to spark some self-reflection, hearty agreement, and perhaps even a few “aha!” moments.

This week, Joanne Lockwood sits down with the wonderfully candid Sam Turlington, a non-binary, award-winning actor and multi-hyphenated creative. From the theatre stages of Glasgow to the vibrant streets of New York, Sam brings stories that are as soul-stirring as they are timely.

Here’s what you’ll learn in this can’t-miss episode:

  1. The Power of Curiosity: Discover how a fundamental curiosity for the world led Sam from a small Southern town to a leading voice for queer joy on the international creative scene.

  2. Living Between & Beyond Binaries: Sam explains why being multi-hyphenate is more than just a label—it’s a mindset that celebrates the richness of identity, both on and off stage.

  3. Joy as an Act of Resistance: In times when politics and public discourse feel heavy, find out why embracing joy isn’t just healing—it's revolutionary.

  4. Acting and Authenticity: Step into the rehearsal room as Sam shares how embracing personal truth (and even questioning scripts) can lead to more profound performances and deeper empathy for others.

  5. The Importance of Finding Your Tribe: Sam and Joanne Lockwood explore how community, even during tough times, is what truly carries us forward.

Unique Fact Worth Sharing:
Did you know Sam once unlocked deeper self-knowledge by being cast as a trans woman in a play—before even identifying as non-binary? That role, and a life-changing lunch with the playwright, lit the path to Sam’s own authentic self. Proof that art really does mirror life—and sometimes helps shape it!

Feeling Inspired? Here’s What to Do Next:
Listen to The Art of Authentic Living right now on Inclusion Bites. If you love what you hear, why not share the episode with friends, family, or colleagues looking for understanding, laughter, or a fresh perspective? And if you have your own story or vision burning to be heard, email Joanne—your voice could be the next one sparking real change.

This episode is a warm, honest reminder: whatever door you’re standing in front of, it’s never too late to turn the key. Sometimes, the most colourful parts of life are just on the other side.

Thank you for being part of this journey to make the world just a bit more inclusive, one conversation at a time.

Catch you on the next bite,
The Inclusion Bites Team


Keep the conversation going with #InclusionBites and stay connected for more stories, more learning, and loads more joy!

Potted Summary

Episode Introduction

Joanne Lockwood welcomes Sam Turlington, a non binary, multi hyphenated award-winning actor, to explore the nuances of living authentically. They unpack the journey of embracing true identity, the challenges faced in queer representation, and the power of joy as resistance. This insightful exchange blends personal stories with societal analysis, offering listeners a brave, empathetic perspective on what it means to honour one’s experience while disrupting the status quo.


In this conversation we discuss

👉 Queer identity
👉 Creative resilience
👉 Joy as resistance


Here are a few of our favourite quotable moments

  1. “If I find myself on a binary, I jump off of it immediately.”

  2. “Joy as resistance means living it every day.”

  3. “Me being visible is me saying something. Walking around as myself during the day, I am making a statement.”


Summary & Call to Action

Sam Turlington’s conversation with Joanne Lockwood is both moving and thought-provoking, shining a light on authentic living and inclusion within creative spaces. Discover how curiosity, resilience, and candid storytelling can inspire change. For anyone passionate about belonging and positive representation, listen now to Inclusion Bites and help amplify voices that matter: Inclusion Bites Podcast.

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Opening Summary for LinkedIn Poll:

In this episode of the Inclusion Bites Podcast, "The Art of Authentic Living", Joanne Lockwood and guest Sam Turlington explore the complexities of authenticity across identity, creative expression, and the power of embracing our whole selves. From non-binary visibility to the resilience born of community support, the conversation prompts us to reflect on how we find authenticity and belonging in challenging environments. As diversity and inclusion advocates, where do you feel most empowered to live authentically?

Poll Question:
Where do you feel most authentic in your life or work? #AuthenticLiving #InclusionBites

Poll Options:

  1. 🎭 Creative spaces

  2. 🏢 Workplace

  3. 🏠 Family & Home

  4. 🌈 Community groups

Why Vote:

Your voice shapes the future of inclusion! Participating in this poll helps us understand where authenticity flourishes—and where we still need to spark change. Cast your vote and let’s ignite more conversations around #Belonging and #RealChange!

Highlight the Importance of this topic on LinkedIn

🌈 Just listened to "The Art of Authentic Living" on #InclusionBites Podcast, hosted by Joanne Lockwood, and it’s left me genuinely inspired. As HR and EDI professionals, the powerful conversation with Sam Turlington spotlights why authenticity, flexibility, and queer joy matter so deeply in our workplaces.

💬 This dialogue goes beyond labels and tick-boxes. Instead, it dives into real lived experience—touching on empathic leadership, navigating non-binary and multi-hyphenate identities, and challenging industries to do better.

We’re reminded that diversity isn’t just policy—it’s about fostering safety, belonging, and opportunities for all voices, especially those historically unheard. As Joanne Lockwood said, “You don't bring the world with you overnight.” Change is stepwise, compassionate, and collective.

🙌 Let’s champion spaces where every story—not just the ‘expected’ ones—has value, and where visibility is celebrated, not just tolerated.

📢 Highly recommend the episode for anyone ready to ignite meaningful change in their culture. Listen here: https://seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen

#EDI #Inclusion #Belonging #Authenticity #QueerJoy

L&D Insights

Certainly! Here’s a concise Learning & Development (L&D) expert analysis for Senior Leaders, HR, and EDI professionals, drawing out top insights and actionable recommendations from episode 188 of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, “The Art of Authentic Living”.


🎧 Executive Summary for Senior Leaders, HR, and EDI Professionals

Key Insights & “Aha Moments”

  1. Identity is Multifaceted—And Not Always Linear
    The conversation reveals how identities—whether concerning gender, body size, or neurodiversity—are dynamic and multifaceted. Sam Turlington and Joanne Lockwood openly discuss the journey of self-discovery, emphasising that being non-binary or multi-hyphenated is not about choosing a single label, but about honouring the complexity of lived experience.

    💡 Aha Moment: Binary thinking—whether in gender, career, or workplace assumptions—limits authenticity and belonging.

  2. Empathy and Authentic Storytelling Drive Inclusion
    The practice of stepping outside one's own lived experience, as described through acting, encourages empathy. Sam Turlington credits theatre and creative work as tools for understanding and respecting diverse perspectives, inspiring leaders to rethink the “scripts” we follow at work.

    💡 Aha Moment: Inclusion isn’t only about “being cool” with difference—true belonging calls for actively re-examining company narratives and policies.

  3. Inclusive Environments Need Vigilance, Not Assumptions
    Despite the perceived openness of creative industries, discrimination persists. Sam Turlington’s account of encountering conservative propaganda in theatre settings serves as a reminder that even “progressive” workplaces can harbour exclusion.

    💡 Aha Moment: Never assume inclusivity is “sorted” just because your sector seems open—policy is not culture.

  4. Visibility is Resistance—But Can Be Exhausting
    Being “the only one” in a space brings both visibility and pressure. Joanne Lockwood notes that mere existence can become an act of protest, and Sam Turlington eloquently describes the fatigue that advocacy can bring.

    💡 Aha Moment: Leaders must recognise invisible efforts: inclusion isn’t just policies—it’s navigating daily micro-protests.

  5. The Importance of Language and Evolution
    Both speakers highlight how language and labels change over time, profoundly affecting identity and belonging. The development of pronouns in Shakespearean adaptation was particularly illustrative.

    💡 Aha Moment: Outdated language or inflexible practices limit people’s ability to show up authentically.


🚀 Recommendations & L&D Actions

  • Rethink “Binary” Policies
    Audit people policies and processes for binary defaults (gender, career progression, talent models). Create space for flexibility, choice, and nuance.

  • Champion Authentic Storytelling
    Encourage employee-share forums and storytelling. Move past tokenism towards genuine, complex narratives and lived experience.

  • Spotlight on Hidden Exclusion
    Resist complacency. Use pulse surveys and anonymous feedback to uncover latent exclusion. Assume nothing.

  • Support Visibility—Mind the Emotional Labour
    Provide support networks, well-being programmes, and “safe spaces.” Recognise and reward the emotional exertion of out/invisible employees.

  • Update Language—Regularly
    Ensure all workplace communications are inclusive, current, and reviewed with affected communities. Pronouns, titles, and imagery matter.


🔥 What Should You Do Differently?

  • Move from Passive Acceptance to Active Inclusion: Challenge status-quo thinking and expand beyond lip service.

  • Create Conditions for Exploration: Let staff “open doors”—especially the ones not previously available—without fear.

  • Design for Diversity: From physical workplaces (space for all bodies) to recruitment copy, build accessibility in from the start, not as a retrofit.


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#AuthenticInclusion #BeyondTheBinary #StorytellingForChange #VisibleBelonging #EDILeadership


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🌍 Visit https://seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen
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Glossary of Terms and Phrases
- Multi-hyphenate / multi-hyphenated creative  
  *Definition implied:* A person whose professional identity spans multiple roles or disciplines, particularly within the arts—such as acting, producing, and directing—rather than being confined to a single title.

- Non-binary  
  *Definition implied:* An identity outside the traditional male/female gender binary; a way of experiencing gender which may incorporate elements of more than one gender or none at all.

- Stealth mode  
  *Definition implied:* Living or presenting as the gender assigned at birth (often for safety or social acceptance), while actually identifying differently; in the episode, it's used for a character who later reveals or expresses a non-binary identity.

- Neo-pronouns  
  *Definition implied:* Newly created gender-neutral pronouns (e.g., "zee/zem/zir") that some people use instead of more traditional "he/she/they," especially in contexts that challenge or expand existing understandings of gender.

- Dramaturgical ramifications  
  *Definition implied:* The narrative or storytelling consequences and considerations of a casting or character decision (for example, the impact on story coherence when casting a non-binary actor in a role traditionally assigned to a specific gender).

- Authentic storytelling  
  *Definition implied:* The act of centring truth, lived experience, and genuine representation in narrative and character development, especially with respect to underrepresented identities.

- Gender expansive  
  *Definition implied:* Describes a spectrum of gender identities that extend beyond the conventional binary of male or female, accommodating non-binary and other gender-diverse identities.

- Queer joy  
  *Definition implied:* Celebrating happiness, fulfilment, and resilience found within queer/lGBTQ+ experiences, positioning joy itself as a form of resistance or defiance.

- Cishet  
  *Definition implied:* Shorthand for cisgender and heterosexual; used to describe people whose gender identity matches their sex assigned at birth, and who are sexually attracted to members of the opposite sex.

- Soft launch (in the context of identity)  
  *Definition implied:* Gradually exploring or disclosing one’s gender identity or coming out, rather than making a definitive or public declaration from the outset.

- Universal donor/receiver analogy (in gender context)  
  *Definition implied:* Referencing the blood type concept where some people can give or receive from anyone, this analogy is used to describe non-binary people's flexibility and resonance with a broad range of experiences or identities.

- Joy as resistance  
  *Definition implied:* The idea that celebrating happiness and authenticity—especially for marginalised people—is itself an act of protest or defiance in the face of adversity or oppression.

- Deadpan humour about activism (e.g. “I’m here, I’m queer, my back pain is moderate to severe”)  
  *Definition implied:* Using humour and lived experience as a way of normalising queer existence and highlighting the everyday realities of holding marginalised identities.

- Storey dramaturgy (or dramaturgical inquiry)  
  *Definition implied:* Analysing how changes in character identity (such as gender) interact with or reshape the underlying narrative structure and thematic elements of a play or script.

- Inclusion / Belonging (used as active concepts)  
  *Definition implied:* Not merely tolerating difference but actively creating environments where all identity groups are accepted, celebrated, and enabled to thrive.
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Why Listen: The Art of Authentic Living & Its Transformative Power

Welcome to this episode of Inclusion Bites, where I invite you into a courageous conversation with Sam Turlington, a non binary, award-winning actor and multi hyphenate creative whose work champions the richness and complexity of authentic storytelling. If the words “Authentic Living” resonate with you, you’re in the right place. We're delving deep into what it means to truly honour yourself, and how those brave steps spark Culture Change and foster Positive People Experiences across communities and workplaces.

From our opening exchange, Sam shares how their superpower lies in “seeing people soulfully honouring the truth of their experience”—and you’ll quickly sense the depth of their own journey. Raised in a small southern town with limited exposure to the wider world, Sam’s fundamental curiosity and drive for connection led them into the arts, where acting became a gateway not only to understanding others, but also to exploring and ultimately embracing their non binary identity. This is a narrative of transformation, of stepping beyond binaries—not just in gender but in creative pursuits, in professional roles, and in everyday life.

Throughout our discussion, we reflect on the intersections of identity, creativity, and belonging. Sam embodies the multi-hyphenate creative, refusing to fit neatly into boxes—be it as an actor, director, producer, or writer. This is, in Sam’s own words, “the identity equivalent of being non binary”; they leap from fixed categories to embrace an ever-evolving journey. We explore the crucial need for authenticity, how embracing your full self leads not only to personal fulfilment but also ripples outward, nurturing more inclusive cultures — the very foundation for sustainable Culture Change.

What does it mean to foster Positive People Experiences? For Sam, empathy is both method and outcome: it comes from the relentless curiosity about what drives us as humans—our choices, our emotions, our lived realities. They share how acting, at its best, offers the freedom to step into another person’s world, to cultivate empathy and understanding by “walking in another person’s shoes.” These insights translate directly to our workplaces and communities, reminding us that inclusion is not passive; it’s active, intentional, and deeply personal.

We confront the harsh realities too. Sam recalls an experience in an off-Broadway play that turned out to be a vehicle for conservative propaganda—an eye-opening reminder that creative spaces are not immune to exclusion. The episode emphasises the imperative of moving beyond mere tolerance to true inclusion, spotlighting that it’s not enough to be “cool with everyone”; you must design spaces that actively celebrate and uplift diverse identities.

On stage and off, identity shapes experience and narrative. Sam’s candid reflections on playing CIS male and female roles as a non binary person demonstrate the difference between mere representation and meaningful authenticity. They share the collaborative process of bringing their identity to roles, influencing scripts, and giving lighting to more nuanced, truthful storytelling. Sometimes, this even inspires playwrights to rewrite their works for greater authenticity, symbolising real-time Culture Change.

You’ll hear personal, unfiltered stories of navigating life as a large-bodied person, wrestling with social realities—from the challenge of fitting into aeroplane seats to the subtle micro-aggressions in public spaces. These reveal that inclusion is not abstract—it’s present in every chair, every casting decision, every interaction. Sam and I both recall how aspects of identity—gender, size, neurodiversity—shape everyday experiences and stress the importance of designing environments for all bodies, all minds.

Authentic Living, as we discuss, is not just about personal happiness—it’s about resistance and protest. In the current climate, simply existing visibly as your true self becomes an act of bravery, a catalyst for change. Whether it’s joy as resistance or the solidarity of marginalised communities, we highlight the power of authentic presence to disrupt, unite, and ignite Culture Change.

Why listen? Because this episode offers more than inspiration—it provides practical pathways and lived realities for fostering Positive People Experiences, driving real Culture Change, and building spaces where everyone can belong, thrive, and express the fullness of who they are. You’ll leave with a renewed sense of agency, empathy, and action—tools to challenge the status quo and nurture inclusion wherever you go.


Closing Summary and Call to Action: Key Insights & Actions for Authentic Living and Creating Culture Change

  1. Embrace Authentic Living:
    Authenticity is both an individual journey and a collective imperative for inclusion. Take the time to reflect on your own identities—visible and invisible—and acknowledge their roles in your daily experiences. Explore what it would mean to honour your “soulful truth” in every aspect of life, work, and relationships. Culture Change starts with self-awareness and radical self-acceptance.

  2. Champion Positive People Experiences:
    Positive People Experiences emerge from environments where everyone feels safe enough to bring their whole self. Assess your culture: does it actively validate and celebrate diversity? Move beyond mere representation to true inclusion—invite individuals to bring their stories, voices, and authentic selves into the conversation.

  3. Challenge Binaries, Professionally and Personally:
    As Sam so powerfully illustrates, stepping outside binaries—whether gender, professional identity, or societal roles—is a gateway to creativity and growth. Question the categories you inhabit and those you impose. Foster environments where multi-hyphenate, intersectional identities are not just accepted but valued as engines of Culture Change.

  4. Foster Empathy Through Storytelling:
    The arts, and especially acting, serve as laboratories of empathy. Leverage storytelling in your organisation—whether in workshops, keynotes, meetings, or daily interactions—to cultivate understanding across divides. Encourage staff and colleagues to research, share, and perform aspects of experience beyond their own. This builds bridges and strengthens culture.

  5. Move Beyond “Cool with Everyone” to True Inclusion:
    Be mindful that tolerance is not enough. Inclusion requires structural changes in policy, language, and physical accessibility. Audit your spaces and practices: are they genuinely open to all identities? Do they make visible space for those at the margins—whether queer, large-bodied, neurodiverse, or otherwise?

  6. Redefine Representation With Authenticity:
    Representation matters—but only if it’s authentic. If you have casting or hiring responsibilities, ensure that individuals from underrepresented groups are invited, valued, and empowered to bring their lived experience (rather than a stereotype) into their roles. Consult with those who hold the identities being represented and allow them agency in narrative and direction.

  7. Empower Joy as Resistance:
    In challenging times, joy is a form of protest. Create moments of celebration within your teams and community spaces. Recognise that resilient joy strengthens bonds and acts as a salve against adversity. Design workplace and social rituals that foreground joy and solidarity.

  8. Build Conscious Community:
    Solidarity is foundational for positive culture. Encourage the formation of affinity groups, foster open forums for dialogue, and ensure that everyone feels part of a “tribe.” Acknowledge that whilst individual courage matters, collective progress requires trusted alliances and shared purpose.

  9. Be Mindful of Accessibility and Physical Inclusion:
    Examine the built environment. From chairs and tables in public spaces to accessibility in offices and venues, ensure that your culture of inclusion extends to physical comfort and dignity for all bodies. Listen to feedback, adapt seating, structure invitations, and remove barriers wherever possible.

  10. Acknowledge and Leverage Neurodiversity:
    Recognise the spectrum of neurodiverse experiences in your sphere—whether through creative problem-solving or unique ways of processing the world—and value them as assets to organisational culture. Encourage flexible work styles and collaboration methods.

  11. Stay Curious and Welcome Change:
    Approach both self and others with curiosity rather than judgement. Genuine Culture Change is iterative—doors may be opened, closed, or revisited. Encourage experimentation in language, roles, and processes. Each “open door” is an opportunity for learning.

  12. Address Difficult Conversations with Courage:
    Tackle exclusion and oppressive systems head-on. Don’t shy away from the realities of discrimination, gatekeeping, or toxic cultures. Develop policies and practices that stamp out harmful behaviours and beleaguered scripts in every space.

  13. Amplify Marginalised Voices:
    Make intentional space for stories from those historically silenced—especially among LGBTQ+ communities, people of colour, disabled individuals, and others. Share their narratives honestly and with respect. Remember, inclusion is not performative but transformative.

  14. Celebrate Each Step of the Journey:
    Recognise that Culture Change and authentic living are ongoing processes, not endpoints. Celebrate moments of growth, both organisationally and personally. Provide opportunities for feedback and continued engagement.

  15. Hold Hope and Resist Isolation:
    As Sam so beautifully shares, community bonds grow stronger during moments of crisis and adversity. Lean into hope, champion solidarity, and recognise that isolation is both a practical and existential threat; actively reach out and foster connections.

  16. Advocate Across Contexts:
    Use your platform—be it organisational, creative, social—to advocate for inclusive policies and practices. Be vocal about injustices and proactive about celebrating inclusion. The more you embody authenticity and empathy, the more you influence positive systemic change.

  17. Measure Progress and Share Learnings:
    Create mechanisms for measuring inclusion and wellbeing within your teams and spaces. Share learnings widely—through podcasts, videos, workplace briefings, etc.—and inspire others to champion Positive People Experiences.

  18. Encourage Risk-Taking and Learning:
    Support individuals in opening doors, even if only to shut them again later. Foster environments where it’s safe to explore, experiment, and refine one’s identity in real time.

  19. Stay Inclusive in Language and Action:
    Regularly audit your language, forms, and outreach communication. Is it inclusive of all identities? Are you adapting quickly enough to new cultural norms and needs?

  20. Lead by Example:
    Above all, practice what you preach. Be the visible example of Authentic Living. Share your own journey, invite others along, and keep the cycle of inclusion alive through visible everyday actions.


Outro

Thank you, dear listener, for joining me on this bold journey into the art of authentic living. If you found value in this episode, please do like and subscribe to the channel, and share it with those who believe in Positive People Experiences and Culture Change. For more information, rich podcasts, and actionable insights, visit SEE Change Happen and tune in to The Inclusion Bites Podcast.


Stay curious, stay kind, and stay inclusive - Joanne Lockwood

Root Cause Analyst - Why!

Certainly. Let’s approach this episode of "The Inclusion Bites Podcast," particularly "The Art of Authentic Living," with a root cause analysis lens. Several interrelated problems emerge across the discussion, notably around authentic self-expression, barriers to genuine inclusion, and systemic challenges faced by individuals with marginalised identities. I’ll select a central topic: The difficulty for marginalised individuals, such as non-binary and queer people, to live authentically and be fully included, even in seemingly inclusive spaces.

Key Problem

Marginalised individuals often find it difficult to live and express themselves authentically, even within creative and supposedly inclusive industries.


1. Why does this problem exist?

Because even within creative industries, there remain pockets of exclusion, stereotyping, and lack of genuine representation, as related by Sam Turlington. For instance, Sam Turlington describes experiences where queer people are not truly embraced, and sometimes even face direct ideological opposition.


2. Why do exclusion, stereotyping, and lack of representation persist in these sectors?

Because societal norms and unconscious biases permeate all spaces, including those presumed to be progressive. Sam Turlington cites a specific experience where a play with conservative, harmful messaging was staged within the theatre community, revealing that societal prejudices are not fully filtered out, even in “creative” circles.


3. Why do these biases and norms continue to influence attitudes and decisions in such environments?

Because there is insufficient awareness, education, and structural accountability to proactively dismantle these biases and ensure genuine inclusion. As Sam Turlington notes, often production or venue staff do not vet or challenge harmful content ("we get hired to do these jobs... we don't control who rents the theatre"), revealing a lack of empowered mechanisms to resist or challenge exclusionary practices.


4. Why is there a lack of systemic accountability and empowerment to challenge exclusion?

Because societal and organisational priorities often favour financial gain, avoidance of conflict, or a misguided notion of neutrality over authentic inclusion. Sam Turlington explains that people sometimes take roles, attend or work at events because “we all have to eat”, even if it conflicts with their values. This shows a structural prioritisation of survival and economic concerns over ethical inclusivity.


5. Why are these priorities (profit, neutrality, status quo) elevated over inclusion and equity?

Because at a foundational level, there is ongoing resistance (sometimes passive, sometimes active) to cultural change, rooted in fear, tradition, or a lack of leadership commitment to authentic transformation. This is compounded by systemic power dynamics, with marginalised people often excluded from decision-making, and an absence of sufficient regulation, policy, or incentive to promote meaningful inclusion.


Summary of Root Cause

At its core, the difficulty for marginalised people to live authentically—even in creative or “inclusive” arenas—stems from deep-seated systemic reluctance to prioritise inclusion over the status quo, fuelled by broader societal norms, economic imperatives, reticence toward conflict, and a lack of empowered, accountable leadership and infrastructure designed for genuine equity.


Potential Solutions

  1. Institutionalise Inclusion:
    Develop and implement robust policies that require active vetting of creative content and enforce accountability within all organisations, ensuring potential harm is anticipated and mitigated.

  2. Empower Marginalised Voices:
    Include marginalised people in all levels of decision-making, particularly where content or environments concern representation and safety. This means co-creating policies and having lived experience inform practice.

  3. Continuous Education and Bias Training:
    Go beyond superficial training—embed continuous, reflective learning on unconscious bias, privilege, intersectionality, and authentic representation for everyone involved, not just frontline staff.

  4. Transparent Reporting and Safe Challenge Mechanisms:
    Create systems where anyone can safely raise concerns about exclusionary or harmful practices, with visible follow-through and protection against reprisal.

  5. Reframe Value Propositions:
    Shift the narrative in organisations and communities from seeing inclusion as a “nice to have” or a commercial risk to recognising it as non-negotiable, essential to excellence, and the ethical foundation of all practice.

In summary, the episode illustrates that while creative industries may appear inclusive on the surface, structural, cultural, and economic barriers persist. The solution is a multi-layered strategy requiring committed leadership, meaningful participation, ongoing education, and a foundational shift in values—so that authenticity is seen not as a risk but as the heart of truly vibrant human experience.

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Unlock inclusive leadership with this essential checklist for authentic, people-centred workplace cultures. Explore five practical best practices to champion queer joy, nurture belonging, and foster genuine connection. Empower positive change and create environments where everyone thrives—your roadmap to meaningful impact starts here.

1. Celebrate Identity

Actively recognise and validate diverse identities, backgrounds, and experiences. Promote a culture where individuals feel safe to bring their authentic selves to work, resisting binary labels and embracing nuance in gender, sexuality, and personal narrative.

2. Foster Empathic Curiosity

Model curiosity as a tool for connection and understanding. Encourage teams to explore perspectives beyond their own, creating space for listening, questioning, and learning. Empathy fuels innovation and helps senior leaders build bridges across difference.

3. Challenge Exclusion

Ensure creative and workplace spaces do not perpetuate exclusion, even unintentionally. Proactively address policies, scripts, and cultural moments where marginalised voices are silenced—move from surface-level acceptance to intentional, sustained inclusion.

4. Enable Intersectional Advocacy

Support employees in multi-hyphenate identities—recognising intersecting factors such as gender, body diversity, neurodiversity, and sexuality. Advocate for representation, safety, and belonging through policies and everyday practice.

5. Affirm Joy as Resistance

Champion the power of joy as an act of resilience. Celebrate collective pride, shared identities, and moments of togetherness, especially under adversity. Create opportunities for your workforce to unite, recharge, and build community through authentic celebration and connection.

Closing CTA Slide

Ready to ignite transformative inclusion? Connect with Joanne Lockwood at SEE Change Happen. Discover more tools, events, and insights at https://seechangehappen.co.uk. Take the lead—start a conversation for change today.

6 major topics

The Art of Authentic Living: Six Major Topics that Spark Lasting Inclusion

Primary SEO Keyword: Authentic Living

Meta Description: Unlock the power of authentic living with Joanne Lockwood as she explores non-binary identity, empathy in performance, creative spaces, navigating societal crises, body positivity, and unlocking personal transformation in this compelling journey of inclusion.


Authentic living isn’t simply a buzzword—it’s the golden thread that weaves together every conversation I have with those who dare to claim their truth. Recently, I had the honour to sit down with Sam Turlington, whose journey as a non-binary, multi-hyphenate creative exemplifies what it truly means to step into one’s authenticity and ignite genuine inclusion. Throughout our dialogue, we explored how authentic living serves as both a sanctuary and a protest, from the theatre stage to everyday existence. Allow me to walk you through the six major themes that shaped our exchange and continue to spark my curiosity about the broader tapestry of belonging.


1. Authentic Living as a Rebellion and a Refuge

From the outset, Sam and I dived deep into the transformative power of authentic living. I was struck by their vivid description of resisting binaries—not only in terms of gender, but also in creative identity. Why limit yourself to a single label when life offers a spectrum? Sam’s journey into acting wasn’t simply about learning lines; it was a leap towards connection and curiosity in a world that often feels constrained.

What fascinates me most is the paradox: authentic living can be both fiercely rebellious and tenderly nurturing. Are we ever fully ourselves, or do we perform versions of ourselves for safety or acceptance? Sam’s reflections reminded me that embodying authenticity—whether through identity, performance, or simply walking down the street—can be a radical act, especially in spaces where one’s existence itself is politicised.


2. Non-Binary Identity and the Power of Self-Discovery

Sam’s lived experience as a non-binary person illuminated the nuanced process of self-discovery. We discussed how language and possibility have changed over time; choices that once felt impossible now help forge new understandings of gender and self. What if the term ‘non-binary’ had existed in the 1970s? How different might our journeys have been?

Sam shared storeys of bringing their own identity into roles, sometimes transforming scripts and, at times, even influencing playwrights to rewrite characters to reflect the complex realities of gender. The beauty lies in the ongoing exploration: for some, non-binary identity is a sanctuary; for others, it’s a waypoint. The question lingers—how will future generations describe their authentic selves, and what doors will they choose to open?


3. Empathy and Perspective in Performance

Authentic living, in Sam’s world, begins with empathy—an actor’s task is not simply to mimic, but to understand, embody, and honour experiences vastly different from their own. It’s no wonder Sam sought a psychology minor: every role demands deep curiosity.

What I find most compelling is the tension between stereotype and truth. Can a performer truly inhabit character if they rely on clichés? Sam’s stories are a testament to the rigour and the joy of acting as an act of radical empathy. How much of ourselves do we bring into each role, and how does this shape the stories we tell? This is a question I find myself returning to—both on stage and off.


4. Creating Inclusive and Queer-Friendly Spaces

You’d assume that creative environments are naturally inclusive, but Sam’s experience revealed nuance. Most spaces welcome queer identities—but not all. We discussed encountering conservative productions and the shock of finding prejudice in unexpected corners.

Curiously, most harm in the creative world isn’t overt, but insidious: it’s the difference between “being cool with” and truly embracing inclusion. How do we ensure spaces aren’t just passively accepting but actively validating? And what role do artists play in challenging scripts, reframing narratives, and taking a stand against stories that might do harm? Authentic living, in this sense, becomes a collective responsibility.


5. Navigating Crisis, Finding Community, and Practising Joyful Resistance

Living authentically for queer and trans folk, especially in environments fraught with legal and cultural threats, is both exhausting and empowering. Sam spoke candidly about the crisis facing LGBTQ+ identities in America, noting how joy itself becomes an act of resistance—a concept that resonates deeply with me.

Community emerges as a lifeline. When attacks on inclusion heighten anxiety and fatigue, we bond together, amplifying hope and belonging. How do we sustain ourselves amidst constant crises, and what does it mean to exist as a “walking protest”? This exploration left me thinking: true belonging must be forged in solidarity and radical joy, even as we advocate for change.


6. Body Positivity and Navigating Spaces Not Built for All

Another layer to authentic living is body positivity—an undercurrent that runs through Sam’s experience as a “fat-bodied” actor. Our conversation ranged from the practical nuances of chairs and airline seats to the emotional reality of being visibly and unashamedly oneself.

Can only those who’ve lived with certain bodies represent those stories on screen and stage? How does society’s design reinforce exclusion, and what small changes could radically improve daily life for everyone? There’s a joyful relatability in these challenges and an urgency in advocating for spaces built with every body in mind.


Conclusion: Authentic Living as Lifelong Exploration

As I reflect on my conversation with Sam, I’m reminded that authentic living isn’t a destination—it’s an ongoing journey marked by curiosity, courage, and continuous unlocking of new doors. From reframing gender and performance to reclaiming joy and community, every step towards authenticity cultivates deeper inclusion and shared humanity.

If you’re drawn to the art of authentic living, I invite you to connect, share your storey, or simply open a new door—who knows where you’ll find yourself next? To continue this journey, listen and subscribe here and together let’s spark more conversations that create room for everyone’s full and unapologetic truth.

Slogans and Image Prompts

Certainly! Here are some memorable slogans, soundbites, and quotes from the episode “The Art of Authentic Living” that are ideal for merchandise or hashtags. Each one is followed by a detailed AI image generation prompt. These are crafted to be catchy, inspiring, and visually engaging for cups, t-shirts, stickers, or social media.


1. “Joy as Resistance”

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Image Prompt:
A vibrant, defiant non-binary person with a joyful, radiant expression, standing tall amidst a colourful, abstract storm. The background is painted with the hues of the LGBTQ+ rainbow and non-binary flags, with bold graffiti-style lettering: “Joy as Resistance”. Urban setting, sunshine breaking through clouds, evoking strength, connection, and hope.


2. “Kick the Door Down. I’m Here, I’m Queer, My Back Pain Is Moderate to Severe.”

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Image Prompt:
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3. “Open the Door—It’s Never Too Late”

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4. “Being Visible Is a Protest”

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Image Prompt:
A crowd scene with diverse, visibly queer figures standing proudly in the foreground, some holding mini pride flags. In bold, impactful typeface above them, the words: “Being Visible Is a Protest”. Urban cityscape background, dynamic angle, bold and empowering.


5. “Let People Play Their Identities”

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Image Prompt:
A collage-style image featuring theatrical masks representing various gender expressions and body types, with people joyfully swapping them, backstage of a theatre. Above, the phrase: “Let People Play Their Identities” in a creative hand-lettered style. Artistic, inclusive, celebrating diversity in performance.


6. “Multi-Hyphenate, Multi-Fabulous”

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7. “Bring Your Whole Self—Every Bit Counts”

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8. “Tribe, Not Alone”

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9. “Curiosity at the Core”

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10. “No Room for Surface-Level Chatter”

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Each of these slogans distinctly channels the spirit of the episode, celebrating authenticity, resilience, creativity, and belonging in a way that is visual, sharable, and very much on-brand for the Inclusion Bites Podcast.

Inclusion Bites Spotlight

Sam Turlington joins Joanne Lockwood on this month’s feature episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, “The Art of Authentic Living,” offering an incisive and heartfelt exploration into the lived realities of non-binary identity and queer joy. As an award-winning actor and multi-hyphenated creative, Sam brings a wealth of experience from theatre and film, championing not just representation but the complexities and nuances of authentic storytelling.

Sam’s journey from a small southern American town to the bustling creative hubs of New York and Glasgow serves as a compelling backdrop to a discussion on curiosity, self-discovery, and the process of inhabiting both character and self. Whether navigating roles written for cisgendered individuals or collaborating on scripts to reflect non-binary experiences, Sam insists on the importance of bringing their whole self to every performance. Through candid anecdotes about the intersection of gender, body, and artistic identity, Sam reveals how the arts can become a powerful vehicle for empathy, connection, and social change.

In conversation with Joanne Lockwood, Sam deftly addresses both the privileges and the precarity of creative spaces, shining a light on the realities for queer and trans individuals—inclusive environments interspersed with moments of exclusion and challenge. The episode does not shy away from discussing body positivity, the fatigue of living “on display”, and the ways in which community resilience transforms oppression into acts of joy and protest.

Throughout, Sam articulates how authenticity is not merely a destination, but an ongoing journey—one punctuated by acts of resistance, moments of camaraderie, and the continual opening (and sometimes closing) of doors to self-understanding.

Tune into this enlightening episode to gain insight into the art of living authentically, the vital importance of inclusion both on and off the stage, and how small acts of visibility can be transformative for individuals and societies alike. Sam’s story stands as an inspiring testament to the power of belonging, creativity, and unapologetic authenticity.

YouTube Description

YouTube Description:

What if living authentically was more than just a buzzword—what if it was a radical act that challenges the very status quo? In this thought-provoking episode of Inclusion Bites, host Joanne Lockwood sits down with Sam Turlington, a non-binary, award-winning actor and multi-hyphenate creative, to unpack the true meaning of The Art of Authentic Living.

🔥 Are theatre and creative industries really as inclusive as we imagine?
🔥 Does embracing curiosity and difference transform not just our careers, but our core identity?

Sam’s candid reflections cut through familiar narratives, shedding light on the nuances of living outside binaries—be it gender, art, or even body size. From the evolution of identity in the creative world to the power of empathy, Sam and Joanne dive into real experiences: dealing with rejection, navigating stereotyping, and using queer joy as a form of resistance amidst adversity. Authentic storytelling is revealed not as performance, but as a profound tool for belonging and change.

What you’ll learn and feel:

  • Why inclusion isn’t just about acceptance—it’s about authentic belonging and resilience.

  • How creativity and curiosity fuel personal and cultural transformation.

  • The importance of community in countering loneliness and societal pressure.

  • How “opening the door” to self-reflection can change the way you see yourself and others.

Key Takeaways & Actions:

  1. Embrace your curiosity—step off the binary and explore your authentic self.

  2. Champion real inclusion—move beyond tolerance to active belonging in your spaces.

  3. Support diverse talent—recognise and uplift multi-hyphenate identities in any field.

  4. Find or build your tribe—community is vital for navigating adversity and amplifying joy.

  5. Remember: Your very existence can be a protest and a beacon for change.

Listen, reflect, and ask yourself: How will you show up differently in spaces that need your authenticity?


#InclusionBites #AuthenticLiving #QueerJoy #MultiHyphenate #TransVisibility #InclusionMatters #Belonging #BreakTheBinary #JoyAsResistance #PodcastForChange

Subscribe, share this episode, and join our movement for a more inclusive and joyful world. For more enriching conversations, visit: https://seechangehappen.co.uk/inclusion-bites-listen

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10 Question Quiz

Multiple Choice Quiz: The Art of Authentic Living — Reflections from the Host

1. According to Joanne Lockwood, what core principles define the Inclusion Bites Podcast?

A) Light-hearted entertainment and celebrity gossip
B) Challenging the status quo and sharing stories that resonate
C) Academic reviews of diversity literature
D) Daily news updates on equality policies

2. What metaphor does Joanne Lockwood use to describe her own keynote speaking performances?

A) Playing sports on stage
B) Solo musical concert
C) A staged performance with acts and endings
D) Delivering a lecture at university

3. How does Joanne Lockwood describe the evolution of her own personal and professional journey?

A) Always knew exactly what she wanted with no changes
B) Transitioned to a new identity and career, and explored acting
C) Stayed in the same IT position throughout her career
D) Switched careers due to financial pressures only

4. What does Joanne Lockwood identify as a key element for effective stage or keynote presence?

A) Memorising every word in advance
B) Strictly reading from written scripts
C) Having a conversational and somewhat improvisational style
D) Never making eye contact with the audience

5. In discussing the alignment between actors and public speakers, what does Joanne Lockwood insist is true?

A) They are entirely separate professions with no overlap
B) They rely on rigid rules and predetermined narratives
C) The Venn diagram is a circle; both roles involve performance
D) Public speakers should avoid theatricality completely

6. When confronting the realities of playing various roles, what does Joanne Lockwood say about the importance of authenticity?

A) Authenticity doesn’t matter if you follow the script
B) It’s crucial to bring your authentic self, even when performing
C) Only the director’s vision matters
D) Actors should ignore their own feelings

7. How does Joanne Lockwood connect her experience as a keynote speaker to the process of inclusion?

A) By excluding personal stories to stay neutral
B) By manifesting her identity and bringing lived experience to the stage
C) By never discussing her background
D) By focusing solely on technical details

8. What role does hope and community play in Joanne Lockwood's perspective on inclusion?

A) Hope and community are irrelevant to inclusion
B) Finding kindred spirit and connection is essential in difficult times
C) Only policies and laws influence inclusion
D) Individualism should prevail over shared experience

9. What action does Joanne Lockwood encourage listeners to take at the close of the episode?

A) Keep all thoughts private and avoid engagement
B) Subscribe, share, and become part of the Inclusion Bites community
C) Only listen passively to the podcast
D) Write critical reviews without participating

10. What attitude does Joanne Lockwood promote regarding opening doors to new experiences and identities?

A) Doors should remain closed to avoid change
B) Try new doors, and if it’s not right, shut it again
C) Only pursue prescribed paths
D) Change is threatening and unnecessary


Answer Key and Rationales

1. B) Challenging the status quo and sharing stories that resonate
Rationale: From the introduction, Joanne Lockwood outlines that the podcast is designed to challenge norms and create deep resonance through stories, not light entertainment.

2. C) A staged performance with acts and endings
Rationale: Joanne Lockwood compares keynote speaking to a staged performance, complete with acts and a conclusion, underlining the performative aspect.

3. B) Transitioned to a new identity and career, and explored acting
Rationale: Joanne Lockwood recounts her evolution from IT to acting, and ultimately to keynote speaking, all interwoven with identity change.

4. C) Having a conversational and somewhat improvisational style
Rationale: Joanne Lockwood mentions the element of improvisation and not always knowing in advance what she will say, reflecting her authentic and flexible approach.

5. C) The Venn diagram is a circle; both roles involve performance
Rationale: Joanne Lockwood directly states the overlap between acting and keynote speaking, emphasising the performative similarities.

6. B) It’s crucial to bring your authentic self, even when performing
Rationale: Joanne Lockwood advocates for authenticity, noting its importance irrespective of the role or script.

7. B) By manifesting her identity and bringing lived experience to the stage
Rationale: Joanne Lockwood discusses manifesting her identity and how personal stories enrich her contribution to inclusion.

8. B) Finding kindred spirit and connection is essential in difficult times
Rationale: Joanne Lockwood reflects on the necessity of hope, community, and finding kinship in order to combat loneliness or marginalisation.

9. B) Subscribe, share, and become part of the Inclusion Bites community
Rationale: At the episode’s close, Joanne Lockwood actively encourages community engagement and sharing for broader impact.

10. B) Try new doors, and if it’s not right, shut it again
Rationale: Joanne Lockwood frames openness to new experiences as essential, but also reassures that choices can be reversed if needed.


Summary Paragraph

In this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood reinforces the podcast’s ethos—challenging the status quo and resonating through bold storytelling. Drawing clear parallels between acting and keynote speaking, she illustrates how performance and authenticity dovetail as cornerstones of effective engagement. Joanne Lockwood recounts her personal and professional evolution, noting the importance of manifesting identity and improvisational conversation to foster inclusion. Throughout, she highlights the essential nature of hope and community, advocating for listeners to participate, subscribe, and share to drive meaningful change. Ultimately, she encourages openness to new experiences, reassuring that embracing change and authenticity shapes the foundation for thriving inclusive cultures.

Rhyme Scheme and Rhythm Podcast Poetry

The Doorway of Becoming

In spaces small, in cities grand,
A curious soul takes fearless stand;
Identity, a field unbound,
Where borders fade and self is found.

A theatre’s stage, a shifting scene,
Not one fixed role, but all between—
To walk as others, wear their skin,
And, through their gaze, let truth begin.

The courage to diverge from line,
Reject the binary design,
Curiosity—life’s central thread—
Finds home where others fear to tread.

From southern roots to New York lights,
From script’s embrace to bolder heights,
Embracing joy, defying dread,
In laughter, hope is daily bred.

Between the rows of narrow chairs,
Across the world where judgement stares,
A body claimed, a space made wide,
No longer veiled, with none to hide.

To be oneself—a protest loud,
A beacon cutting through the crowd—
Resilience in community,
Soft fires of joy, bright unity.

Every door, though strange or steep,
May house the treasures souls would keep—
Dare open up, step past the seam,
And find the self that dares to dream.

So ponder gently what you’ve heard,
Let kindness grow from every word.
Share this wisdom, let it thrive—
Subscribe and help more voices rise.

With thanks to Sam Turlington for a fascinating podcast episode

Key Learnings

Key Learning & Takeaway

The cornerstone of this episode, "The Art of Authentic Living," is the power of embracing one’s multifaceted identity as a route to deep belonging and resilience, particularly within queer and creative spaces. Authenticity not only supports personal fulfilment but also strengthens communities, challenges societal binaries, and drives positive change—making self-expression not merely an individual act, but a collective force for inclusion and empathy.


Point #1: Curiosity as a Catalyst for Self-Discovery
Both Sam Turlington and Joanne Lockwood highlight how fundamental curiosity can propel us beyond the limitations of our upbringing, inviting exploration of diverse identities and human experiences. By remaining inquisitive, we allow ourselves to try on different perspectives and unlock aspects of our authentic selves.

Point #2: The Fluidity and Value of Non-Binary Experience
The episode underscores that for many, non-binary or multi-hyphenate identity isn’t a stopgap or phase but a homecoming—a space to fully express the spectrum of one’s self. Sam Turlington describes how authenticity enables connection with a wide array of identities, acting almost as a 'universal donor' in terms of empathy and understanding.

Point #3: Joy and Visibility as Forms of Protest
Given current societal pressures on queer identities, the act of living authentically and visibly is a potent protest. Both speakers emphasise that joy, celebration, and community cohesion are radical and necessary acts in response to discrimination—and are themselves transformative agents.

Point #4: Community Bonds Bolster Resilience
The discussion points to the collective nature of true change. Facing adversity, queer individuals find profound strength in community—solidarity, shared experience, and mutual advocacy create sustainable hope and guard against isolation, making the journey towards inclusion a collaborative enterprise.

Maxims to live by…

Maxims for the Art of Authentic Living

  1. Embrace curiosity—let your desire to connect and wonder guide your journey.

  2. Step beyond binaries; authenticity often lives in the expanses between labels.

  3. Honour your evolving identity—allow yourself to change, grow, and redefine your path.

  4. Realise that each person is the expert in their own experience; lead with empathy and attentive listening.

  5. Recognise the power of storytelling—every narrative has the capacity to create understanding and challenge assumptions.

  6. Dare to ‘try on’ new perspectives; understanding those who are different enriches your own worldview.

  7. Accept that performance—whether on stage or in life—benefits from embracing both structure and spontaneity.

  8. Value collaboration and community, acknowledging that no meaningful change happens alone.

  9. Stand firm in your truth, even when it is a protest simply to exist as yourself.

  10. Distinguish between being tolerated and being truly included; demand the latter for yourself and others.

  11. Practise joy as resistance—let celebration, humour, and connection be acts of self-defence and defiance.

  12. Bring your whole self to every endeavour—you need not edit or mute parts of your identity to belong.

  13. Understand that not every space will be safe; seek out and cultivate those where you are celebrated, not just accepted.

  14. Stay open to the doors of self-discovery—explore, retreat, or move on as you choose.

  15. Extend patience and understanding to others on their journeys; everyone’s route to authenticity is unique.

  16. Share your challenges as well as your triumphs—vulnerability invites genuine connection.

  17. Take rest and replenish; being “on” all the time is unsustainable and no proof of worth.

  18. Use your differences as superpowers—your lived experience allows you to relate, adapt, and empathise more deeply.

  19. Never underestimate the impact of visibility; to be seen is to inspire possibility in others.

  20. Advocate for spaces that honour all bodies, experiences, and identities—equity demands nothing less.

  21. Understand that true legacy and progress are collective—change flourishes through hearts, not headlines.

  22. Refuse to let others’ limitations define you; your authenticity is both your birthright and your responsibility.

  23. Remember: it is never too late to open a new door, to explore yourself afresh, or to journey home to who you truly are.

Extended YouTube Description

YouTube Video Description: The Art of Authentic Living | Inclusion Bites Podcast #188 (with Sam Turlington & Joanne Lockwood)


00:00 Intro – Why Authentic Living Matters
01:15 Meet Sam Turlington – Non-Binary Actor and Creative
03:33 What It Means to Be Multi-Hyphenate
06:08 Acting as Identity: Exploring Curiosity & Empathy
13:28 Queerness in the Creative Industries: Myths & Realities
16:51 Rewriting Roles: Non-Binary Representation on Stage
21:38 The Non-Binary Journey: Exploration, Language & Home
23:03 Theatre’s Role in Self-Discovery
27:29 Donor vs. Recipient: Empathy in Lived Experiences
29:00 Authentic Casting & Real Representation
31:40 Being Large-Bodied: Navigating Public Spaces & Stigma
39:15 Food, Culture, and Identity in the US
40:20 Being Queer in America: Joy as Rebellion
44:28 Why Community Matters: Hope, Bonds, and Resilience
46:08 Living in New York: Safety & Identity
49:46 The Only One in the Room: Pressure & Visibility
52:24 Open the Door: Embracing Self-Discovery
53:16 Final Thoughts & How to Connect with Sam Turlington


Podcast Episode Summary & SEO-Optimised Description:

Welcome to Inclusion Bites Podcast Episode 188, “The Art of Authentic Living,” hosted by inclusion strategist Joanne Lockwood. In this enlightening conversation, Joanne sits down with Sam Turlington, a non-binary, award-winning actor and multi-hyphenated creative, to explore the complexities of authentic storytelling, the reality of being queer in the arts, and what it truly means to live your truth.

Key Takeaways & Search-Optimised Insights:

  • Authenticity and Non-Binary Identity: Sam shares candidly about the journey towards self-discovery, shedding light on the nuanced path to embracing a non-binary identity. Their approach resonates with anyone navigating workplace inclusion or personal identity, offering practical empathy-boosting strategies.

  • Multi-Hyphenate Creativity: Learn how embracing multiple creative roles fuels both professional and personal growth. Discover why being ‘multi-hyphenate’—as an actor, director, and producer—is the artistic equivalent of living outside the binary and why this mindset is crucial for modern creatives.

  • Representation in the Arts: Sam and Joanne delve deep into queer and non-binary representation in theatre and media, illustrating how authentic casting is vital for powerful, relatable storytelling. This episode gives HR professionals, DEI advocates, and artists practical insights for making inclusion tangible.

  • Unlocking Empathy through Acting: Find out how the craft of acting not only tells stories but acts as a vehicle for empathy and understanding across diverse lived experiences—essential for anyone committed to building inclusive, high-performing teams.

  • Joy as an Act of Resistance: In the face of systemic adversity, Sam highlights the radical power of joy, resilience, and community. Listeners will walk away inspired to foster inclusion, belonging, and positive change, both professionally and personally.

Who Should Watch?
If you're a HR professional, Diversity & Inclusion champion, creative industry leader, or simply passionate about inclusive cultures, this conversation is designed for you. Gain actionable ideas on how to support diverse identities in your organisation, break down stereotypes, and inspire genuine belonging at work and beyond.


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The Art of Authentic Living: Stepping Off the Binary Path

Do you ever find yourself wondering what it actually means to live authentically—in your work, your relationships, and the cultures we’re all striving to build? In the DEI space, we often champion “bringing your whole self to work,” but how do we support those who don’t fit neatly into any box—those who, by their very nature, challenge every binary? This week’s episode of the Inclusion Bites Podcast, “The Art of Authentic Living,” takes this head-on, offering radical insights for anyone passionate about nurturing belonging, equity, and truly inclusive cultures.


Seeking Belonging Without Borders

For episode 188, I’m joined by Sam Turlington—a non binary, award-winning actor and self-described multi-hyphenate creative. Sam’s career spans acting, producing, and directing, but their real superpower is “seeing people soulfully, honouring the truth of their experience.” Our conversation traverses creative spaces, the pitfalls of stereotypes, and, most powerfully, the lived experience of stepping beyond society’s binary boundaries—gendered, professional, and otherwise.

This episode is especially salient for HR and Talent Acquisition professionals, D&I champions, Learning & Development leads, and anyone seeking to create cultures where everyone not only fits but also thrives. Sam brings both a personal and professional lens, sharing how authenticity, creative curiosity, and empathy are the bedrock of truly inclusive environments.


Stories from the Stage—And Beyond

Our discussion begins with the meaning behind “multi-hyphenate.” As Sam tells it, pigeonholing oneself—whether as just an actor, just a director, or just a specific identity—feels limiting. Identity, like creativity, is not binary. This extends far beyond the arts: how many of us wear multiple hats and have felt pressure to pick just one label?

Sam shares moving anecdotes from their career—playing roles that didn’t quite “fit,” pushing for authentic representation, and even helping rewrite characters to reflect broader gender experiences. We also dig into how creative spaces, while often seen as bastions of openness, sometimes mask surprising bias and discomfort, challenging the assumption that empathy always goes hand in hand with inclusion.

We speak openly about the personal cost of visibility, rejection, and resilience—how being the “only one in the room” comes with enormous pressure, but also powerful opportunity.


Opening Doors: Lessons in Inclusive Practice

From the boards of the stage to the heart of your workplace, here are a few lessons you can draw from my conversation with Sam:

  1. Normalise Multi-Dimensional Identity
    The days of “just” one label—whether job title or gender—are behind us. Sam’s journey demonstrates the richness and innovation that flourish when we invite complexity. Encourage your people to bring all facets of themselves to the table; your organisation will be richer for it.

  2. Empathy Begins with Curiosity
    Sam’s acting approach—stepping into another’s shoes, asking not “what would I do?” but “what would this character do?”—is a beautiful metaphor for inclusive leadership. Invest in empathy by encouraging genuine curiosity about colleagues’ experiences, resisting assumptions, and digging deeper.

  3. Authenticity Drives Change
    Authentic casting and representation matter—being “cool” with difference is not the same as building structures that are unambiguously inclusive. Address policies that may unintentionally exclude, listen to the nuances within your teams, and consult people with lived experience before decisions are made.

  4. Spaces Must Evolve With Us
    From theatre seats to office spaces, design choices can silently exclude. Sam’s experience as a larger-bodied and non binary performer highlights the need for accessible, adaptable environments. Review your workplace layouts, wardrobe policies, and facilities with inclusion in mind. One size never fits all.

  5. Celebrate Joy as Resistance
    In challenging times—where politics, identity, and belonging can feel embattled—embracing joy and community is itself an act of protest. Sam’s outlook reminds us that nurturing hope, solidarity, and positive visibility helps buffer the strains of change. Inclusion isn’t just a duty; it’s a celebration.


A Window Into the Conversation

Curious to experience Sam’s authenticity in action? Watch this one-minute audiogram, where we explore the interplay between identity, culture, and authentic self-expression. It’s a powerful glimpse into how challenging the status quo—on stage and off—can spark real transformation.

Watch the audiogram for a taste of this week’s conversation.


Listen, Reflect, and Share

I invite you to listen to the full episode of “The Art of Authentic Living” and get inspired to create more space for authentic selves in your organisation. Tune in to the full episode here.

If this conversation sparks ideas, don’t keep it to yourself—share it with your colleagues, HR partners, and network. Let’s amplify the voices that challenge, the stories that empower, and help one another turn open doors into genuine belonging.


Where Might Your Own Door Lead?

Just before you go, let me leave you with this: In a world built on binaries, how can you—within your remit, your teams, your culture—create space for others to “step off the binary”? What doors could you open, or unlock, to make someone truly feel seen?

Let’s keep moving beyond categorisation and towards cultures where authenticity is not just welcomed, but celebrated.


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Let’s step forward together.

Warmly,

Joanne Lockwood
Host of the Inclusion Bites Podcast
The Inclusive Culture Expert at SEE Change Happen

What doors will you open today, and who will you invite in?

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The Art of Authentic Living: Reflections from My Conversation on Inclusion Bites

“There’s a particular magic in showing up exactly as you are—even when the world isn’t quite ready for you.”

That sentiment crystallised for me during my recent deep-dive with Joanne Lockwood on her ground-breaking Inclusion Bites Podcast. Bold curiosity isn’t just a slogan—it’s the engine for every meaningful transformation I’ve ever witnessed or helped create. We didn’t just scrape the surface of identity, belonging, and change; we tore at the roots and examined what makes real, sustainable authenticity tick.

If you’ve ever felt the pressure of expectations—external or internal—this journey will resonate. I left this conversation convinced, more than ever, that authentic living is neither a privilege nor a destination. It’s a dynamic practice, equal parts courage and continual questioning.

More than [INSERT_VIEW_COUNT] people have already watched our interview on YouTube, with many more tuning in via Spotify and Apple Podcasts. If this conversation sparks something for you—questions, pushback, or agreement—I’d love to hear your thoughts in the comments below. I read every one.


When Multi-Hyphenates Refuse the Binary: My Story, My Work

From the outset, my chat with Joanne was clear: this wasn’t simply about artistic craft or labels. Joanne Lockwood has spent her career at the intersection of inclusion, change, and tough conversations. Host of Inclusion Bites, founder of SEE Change Happen, and a renowned keynote speaker, she doesn’t shy from asking the challenging questions—and isn’t satisfied with obsolete answers.

She pushed me to frame my “multi-hyphenate creative” identity—a term that’s both accurate and, as she remarked, rather non-binary in its ambiguity. I explained that where once an actor could remain solely an actor, careers (like identities) have become far more complex and layered over time. I’m a producer, a director, a performer, a storyteller—each label is part of me, yet none can ever fully describe what I do.

Joanne astutely observed, “So it’s kind of the identity equivalent of being non-binary, I guess. You’re not nailing yourself to any particular identity there?” Absolutely, I told her. Whenever I’m confronted with a binary—be it career or gender—I find a way to jump off and carve my own path.

It’s the visible outcome of invisible work: thriving in ambiguity, refusing to be limited by someone else’s template. That’s the essence of both my creative life and my identity journey.


Curiosity, Empathy, and the Practice of Authentic Storytelling

So what truly makes me tick? That was Joanne’s next pointed question, and it prompted a rummage through my earliest memories. I grew up in the American South—a region marked by presence and absence: rich in tradition, yet often lacking the space for difference. Connection and curiosity were my lifelines. Acting provided an outlet to reach beyond those walls, to slip into other lives and perspectives.

Through performance, I didn’t just step outside myself—I discovered the many ways to step deeper within. Joanne understood the draw of assuming other personas, asking whether playing scripted characters allowed me to “step outside yourself and try on new things.” It did, and does. As a young actor, the question “How would I do this?” was never enough. I had to learn, quickly, that my own instincts sometimes get in the way of serving a story or character well.

That tension isn’t unique to acting; it’s foundational to empathy. To truly connect, I’ve had to research, listen, and stretch my understanding—seeking not similarity, but authentic difference. That journey led me towards a psychology minor at university, not just to enhance my craft but to unlock the greater mystery: what drives people to do what they do? This intellectual curiosity ultimately fostered deeper empathy—for the characters I played and, most importantly, the people around me.

Beneath the surface, the reason I fell into acting is the same reason I found pride in being non-binary. As I delved further into my craft, I questioned assumptions of gender and identity, resisting the easy answers my upbringing offered. The world became more varied, intricate, and interesting—because I allowed myself to remain a question rather than a fixed answer.


The Power and Pitfalls of Performing Identity

We spent time exploring the mechanics—and politics—of performing other identities. Joanne, herself no stranger to performance, observed how keynote speaking carries its own theatricality, its own “Act 1, Act 2, Act 3…and thank you at the end.” The parallels between acting and public speaking were vivid: both demand a heightened presence, a sort of intentional authenticity, and an ability to adapt on the fly.

But the stakes are higher when performance intersects with lived experience. We talked about the challenges facing queer, non-binary, and fat-bodied actors—navigating a world that rarely designs stories, scripts, or even furniture for our bodies and identities.

Joanne’s question cut deep: “Do you come across many cishet actors who attempt to play a queer character and either they don’t get it or they are conflicted?” I explained that, while progress has been made towards more mindful casting, harmful stereotypes still creep in, especially when actors rely on surface traits rather than authentic understanding. “Cast people for the roles they need to be playing,” I urged. Representation, after all, isn’t just about visibility—it’s about expertise. Actors with lived experience bring nuance and authenticity that simply cannot be mimicked.

Similarly, our discussion on body diversity was a masterclass in pattern recognition. We traded stories about the little indignities—hearing the crack of plastic chairs, asking for seatbelt extenders, being hyper-aware of every inch as we navigate public spaces. These are not trivial discomforts. They’re daily reminders that the physical world, much like the narrative world, is biased toward a narrow set of experiences.

What struck me most was how these visible struggles mirror the invisible ones. The effort to “perform” or represent a marginalised identity, whether on stage or simply in public, comes with a constant tension: you’re advocating, educating, and often carrying the hopes and anxieties of a whole community on your shoulders.


Joy as Active Resistance—And the Crisis of Belonging

Here’s the crux: living authentically in a world not built for you is an act of protest. “Me being visible is me saying something,” I recalled. “Walking around as myself during the day, I am making a statement. I am a walking protest all on my own, without meaning to be.”

Joanne resonated deeply with this, observing that simply existing can polarise people when you don’t fit into their pre-set categories. The conversation turned to survival, resilience, and joy as resistance. Especially in the United States right now, queer people—trans, non-binary, fat-bodied—are navigating a perpetual state of crisis. Legislative assaults, weaponised conversations, and the exhaustion of being politicised are a daily reality.

But when the world tries to steal your peace, joy itself becomes radical. Our celebrations, as Joanne so perceptively noted, are “vital and rebellious.” Never have I so fervently leaned into joy as an act of resistance. This is more than optimism; it’s the strategic practice of refusing despair.

There’s incredible power in communal struggle. As the pressures escalate, bonds tighten, and the sense of solidarity intensifies. “No great achievement was ever actually achieved solo,” I reflected. “There is no world-changing thing that has happened with one person.” Collective resilience is our true superpower.

Our conversation also ranged widely across geography—comparing the relative safety of creative spaces in New York to the active danger faced by our “siblings in Texas or Tennessee.” Where you are physically, even within so-called safe havens, shifts the type of attention and threat you receive. In some places, my size is the most Other; elsewhere, it’s my queerness, my non-binary identity, my race. Being the “Only One in the Room” is at times empowering, at times deeply isolating. To carry the burden of representation—“not letting your kind down,” as Joanne put it—is a responsibility I’ve learned never to take lightly.


Being the Universal Donor: Connecting Lives and Stories

I find myself drawn again and again to the idea of creative and empathetic universality. Joanne made an intriguing analogy to blood types—whether, as a non-binary person, I might be a sort of “universal donor,” able to relate and adapt to a multitude of roles and experiences.

What I see, fundamentally, is that gender, sexuality, and difference aren’t just boundaries; they’re bridges. My authentic self equips me to connect to every story, every character, every person—not in an artificial way but as an extension of my lived experience. Nuance matters: empathy is not the suspension of difference but the embrace of its complexity.

I see this play out in the granular details—how I modify scripts and language for authenticity, how performances evolve as pronouns change, how families in both real life and on stage must also adapt. The slow transition from “he/him” to “they/them” to “ze/zir” in Shakespeare offers a metaphor for real-world evolution. It’s never an overnight destination. “You don’t go from here to there overnight,” Joanne mused. “You have to bring the world with you, don’t you?” Exactly.

There’s also a responsibility not to propagate myths or trivialise non-binary identities as mere stopovers on the gender journey. For some, it’s a pause before a further transition. For many, including me, it’s home—a destination reached after much exploration and self-questioning.

What opened my own door wasn’t just abstract theory; it was specific, life-altering triggers. Playing a trans woman on stage opened up the question: “Is this me?” Conversations with the playwright, a trans woman herself, revealed feelings and sensations that I recognised intimately. I asked, “Do cis people not feel this way?” Apparently not. Sometimes the role brings you home to the script. Sometimes it brings you home to yourself.


The Mystery of the Unopened Door: Inviting Curiosity, Rejecting Certainty

Throughout our discussion, one theme surfaced persistently: the imperative of curiosity, the courage not just to open doors but, occasionally, to close them again with confidence. I shared with Joanne that I encourage every person, at any stage of life, to “try the door,” to wonder, “What if?” It’s never too late to unlock something new, nor to change course if what lies beyond isn’t right for you.

There’s a strange beauty in uncertainty. The most profound discoveries I’ve made—in art, in identity, in leadership—are often seeded in the soil of not knowing. Joanne echoed the sentiment, “For the people who’ve never opened that door, whatever that door is… you have the opportunity before you die to open the door and figure out.”

As much as I value resolution and progress, I’ve learned to embrace living in the question. The profile of successful companies, ground-breaking teams, and thriving communities isn’t one of fixed answers but of continual curiosity—a willingness to make camp along the journey and to be surprised by the scenery.


Final Reflection: Radical Authenticity is Not a Luxury; It’s a Commitment

What I wish for every reader—and what I challenge myself to practice—is radical authenticity. Not the type prescribed by social media or paid consultants, but the messy, complicated, ever-evolving kind that grows out of real lived experience and relentless curiosity.

Living authentically is not smooth, nor is it guaranteed. It’s the hard, necessary work of bringing your soul “home to yourself,” even if the map is still forming and the world resists your arrival.

I never expected that, on the other side of that uncompromising door, I’d find such joy, clarity, and belonging. The difficulties remain—being “on” for my community, advocating every moment, adapting scripts and conversations, carrying the burdens of representation. But the reward is exponential: feeling at home, feeling whole, and knowing that every time I show up authentically, I'm lighting a torch for someone who’s still looking for their way.

If you’re still sitting with uncertainty, I invite you to lean in—not for easy answers, but for the questions that truly matter. Authentic living isn’t a result; it’s the art of staying in motion, refusing the binary, and rendering even the most unwelcoming rooms a little bit more hospitable through your presence.

There’s a particular magic in showing up as yourself. Let’s keep writing new scripts, together.


If this sparked something for you, let me know below—I read (and connect with) every comment.

Song Lyrics from Episode

[Title
Open the Door]

[Synopsis
Episode 188 — Inspired by “The Art of Authentic Living,” this song channels the turning points, doubts, and quiet rebellions in Sam Turlington’s journey to self-acceptance and visibility. Drawing on conversations about queer joy, belonging, and the daily courage it takes to be seen, “Open the Door” is an empowering indie-pop anthem. Warm acoustic textures and a steady beat support direct, heartfelt lyrics. For anyone who’s ever wondered if they’re alone: you’re not.]

[Vibe
Begin with gentle fingerpicked acoustic guitar, understated pad, and close, honest female vocals. Introduce soft percussion and upright bass in verse two. The pre-chorus builds with subtle harmonies, gentle electric guitar arpeggios, and quietly swelling drums. The chorus delivers a confident, steady pulse—slide guitars, layered harmonies, and broader soundscape. Bridge strips back to acoustic and pads again, with emotional vocal delivery. The final chorus explodes into hopeful defiance before fading out with layered “open the door” refrains. Reference: indie pop/country/folk crossover, Florence + the Machine meets First Aid Kit.]

Lyrics
[Verse 1]
Raised on someone else's script,
Stepping softly, hiding light.
Every label’s just a window
To the world we’re meant to find.
Curiosity as compass,
Wounded but alive—
Letting go of borrowed certainties,
To learn how to arrive.

[Pre-Chorus]
Step by step, the hallway grows,
Each question carving space.
What’s it mean to be the only one—
To show your truest face?

[Chorus]
Open the door—
Let the light spill in.
We are more than the fear we’re handed,
Braver than the skin we’re in.
Hold my gaze—
I see you clear.
Every side of who you are
Is wanted, needed here.
Open the door.

[Instrumental]
[Bridge of gentle guitar solo layered with atmospheric pads. Hints of slide and harmonics—evoking breath, release, invitation.]

[Verse 2]
Every seat too narrow,
Every word not made for you.
But still you show up, brightly—
Build a stage from hidden truth.
Joy as act of resistance,
Rest a quiet plea—
Even when the world’s unready
Becoming fully me.

[Pre-Chorus]
Room to grow beyond the line,
To change what you can't ignore.
No destination—just the courage
To try another door.

[Chorus]
Open the door—
Let the light spill in.
We are more than the weight they measure,
Wider than the box we’re in.
Bring your hope—
Bring your scars.
Every echo of your heart
Belongs, belongs right here.
Open the door.

[Bridge]
If you’re the only one
On the other side of fear,
Let your soul speak softly—
Darling, I’m right here.
We are protest, we are promise,
We are laughter in the void—
Finding family in the struggle,
Making art from every noise.

[Final Chorus (Lifted)]
Open the door—
Throw your arms out wide.
Under headlines, under shadows,
We are fire, we survive.
Call my name—
I’ll walk with you.
You are never on your own
No matter what they do.
Open the door…

[Instrumental Fade Out]
[Reverberant acoustic guitar, fading harmonies; snippets of softly sung “open the door” and “you’re not alone” linger as pads and gentle percussion dissolve.]

[End.]

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