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Join Joanne Lockwood and her guest Pamela Permalloo Bass in a thought-provoking conversation about fairness, equity, and the challenges of striving for inclusivity in businesses and organisations, with references to Rutger Bregman's influential works.
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fairness, equity, diversity and inclusion, workplace culture, NHS challenges, systemic inequity, Rutger Bregman, Utopia for Realists, Human Kind, business and organisation fairness
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The Significance of Fairness: "I think it's quite a generic piece of language, fairness, because depending on your own experiences, whether it's cultural, societal, social, you'll have a different perspective of what fairness really means."
Systemic Organisational Unfairness: "Individuals play a part, but they are not key in dismantling unfairness within organisations. It has to be an organisational, structural decision to actively do things differently."
Rwanda Asylum Seekers Deal: "Actually, to me, it feels like, firstly, it's a complete waste of money, but it also is sidetracking from all the other underfunded resourcing that's going into the public sector, which is so much needed, really, in particular, some very key areas in our country."
Workforce Diversity: "Most good organisations tended to marry up and be similar to their communities because, you know, if it's similar to the community, it will be similar to the patient community."
The Impact of Public Transport Cost on Employment Opportunities: "Well, I think that example is a great one because public transport is expensive now, so if people are on minimum wage and then they're going to have to fork out for the transport cost to get to and from work, where if they can get a job much closer to where they live."
The Importance of Remote Work for Working Women: "So if they're able to work from home and they've got that capacity to."
The Future of Work: "So why would they do that if they could work from home and pretty much do exactly the same as what they're doing if they're in?"
The importance of diverse economic contributions: "There are so many other ways of creating. We're talking about a capitalist society, and there's so many other ways that we all can contribute into society financially."
Workplace Inclusivity: "Yeah. I think there are so many different sort of work cultures that don't take into account all the nuances of individuals."
Viral Topic: Altruism and Wealth Distribution Quote: "So there is something about being altruistic, being considerate, and actually just giving what you can. And so he's 10% or 20% of his income is given away and that's it. And he'll just live off whatever he has."
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Pamela Permalloo Bass has spent the majority of her working career in the field of diversity and inclusion. For over 20 years, she has been dedicated to promoting fairness and equality in both her professional and personal life. In a time when the language of diversity, equity, and inclusion was not commonly used, Pamela has been a pioneer in the D&I space. She is passionate about creating a more inclusive and diverse world and is delighted to see more people and professionals joining her in this important work.
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